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Snakebyte92

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #125 on: January 16, 2012, 09:01:34 »

According to the Italian news agency ANSA the sixth casualty has been found.  :'( The identity is still unknown
This makes the number of lost people to 14.



Source: http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2715991/weer-lichaam-gevonden-in-cruiseschip.html  ;D
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clanky

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #126 on: January 16, 2012, 10:29:39 »

Only really able to speculate at the moment, but...

The stabilisers were out which is usually something which is only done when the ship is considered to be on passage rather than normal manoeuvring, so it is likely that if the situation was considered normal then the watertight doors would most likely have been open and what would have been sudden and catastrophic flooding would have meant that compartments would have flooded before the doors were able to be closed.

When a ship like this is manoevring in restricted waters there will normally be either captain or deputy captain on the bridge, chief engineer or deputy chief engineer in the engine control room, all water tight doors closed, extra generators running and some other things which had this been considered a routine passage situation would not have been in place, IMHO if this was not considered to be manoeuvring in restricted waters then that is likely to be seen as the root cause of the accident, but like anything similar there will have been a chain of errors which will have caused it to happen.

They have now confirmed 6 deaths and 16 missing, while the probable loss of 22 lives is dreadful and tragic, more than 99% of those onboard survived, a remarkable figure when you look at what happened.
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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #127 on: January 16, 2012, 13:29:40 »

There is now a story that the captain sailed so close to the island to please his head waiter..

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120116/world/cruise-captain-sailed-near-island-for-head-waiter.402548
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danny

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #128 on: January 16, 2012, 14:38:29 »

According to the BBC, the search has been suspended after the costa started sink further...
@Clanky, Surely though, if the captain hit the rocks some 40 minutes before the grounding, as reported, shouldn't the watertight doors have been closed?

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Costa is still talking of putting the concordia back into service  :o
« Last Edit: January 16, 2012, 14:45:34 by danny »
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larsdehaan

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #129 on: January 16, 2012, 14:48:38 »

According to the BBC, the search has been suspended after the costa started sink further...
@Clanky, Surely though, if the captain hit the rocks some 40 minutes before the grounding, as reported, shouldn't the watertight doors have been closed?

EDIT
Costa is still talking of putting the concordia back into service  :o
i'd forget taking her back into service, maybe as a Hotel or as museum
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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #130 on: January 16, 2012, 14:51:47 »

Last I heard, they planned to blast holes in her hull for better access to the lower decks..
This was abandoned because of danger of the ship slipping into deeper water..
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clanky

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« Reply #131 on: January 16, 2012, 14:54:14 »

Danny,

a) I'm only guessing at what happened, the doors may have been closed beforehand, but my best guess based on experience of working on ships like this would be that some of the doors would have been open if the ship was in it's normal at sea operational mode, watertight doors are required to be capable of being closed from the bridge in less than 1 minute so in the event of the breach of one compartment in the manner that the pictures would suggest happened the flooding would have been extensive in adjacent compartments before the doors would have been closed.

b) It is quite possible that the doors were closed and that the tear along the side opened up more than one compartment then when the ship was grounded again on the coast of Isola di Goglio that the hull was further breached.

It is really quite difficult to know exactly what has happened from the pictures on TV, but as I said above the fact that the stabilisers were out would indicate that the ship was considered to be on sea passage rather than manoeuvring, so my best guess would be (a) above.
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clanky

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #132 on: January 16, 2012, 14:55:26 »

i'd forget taking her back into service, maybe as a Hotel or as museum

Or as razor blades, don't be confuesed by the fact that they have employed a salvage company, at this stage this is simply to prevent any further environmental damage rather than any attempt to recover the wreck.
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larsdehaan

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« Reply #133 on: January 16, 2012, 14:56:56 »

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danny

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #134 on: January 16, 2012, 15:06:21 »

We won't know what's going to happen to the concordia yet, as she's currently siezed by the italian police as "evidence". I must admit the chances of her being recoverd in her current state are practically 0. but the chances of her being a coke can are much higher   ::)
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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #135 on: January 16, 2012, 18:37:22 »

I with Danny. It is most likely she will be cut up. I can not see her being used again after this.   

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #136 on: January 16, 2012, 19:35:20 »

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9:25am: Death toll rises to 6, search is suspended. The Concordia is now sliding in to the ocean and will most likely fully sink.

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assassinator2.0

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« Reply #137 on: January 16, 2012, 20:08:00 »

why not just make the Concordia a manmade reef? itll bring more tourism to italy
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« Reply #138 on: January 16, 2012, 20:35:06 »

why not just make the Concordia a manmade reef? itll bring more tourism to italy

What about the fuel and other (poisonous) objects inside that ship? Believe me, it's not that simple as you might think.  :P
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larsdehaan

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« Reply #139 on: January 16, 2012, 20:37:26 »

they have to get it out at some point i mean it has been done before
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assassinator2.0

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« Reply #140 on: January 16, 2012, 21:21:55 »

What about the fuel and other (poisonous) objects inside that ship? Believe me, it's not that simple as you might think.  :P

well i did see a show on History Channel when they sunk an aircraft carrier, long task. but when theyre all done taking out the fuel and whatnot.
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VirtualSkipper

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #141 on: January 16, 2012, 21:24:56 »

well i did see a show on History Channel when they sunk an aircraft carrier, long task. but when theyre all done taking out the fuel and whatnot.

I think that aircraft carrier was the USS Oriskany, but that was a controlled sinking (with preparations!).  :P
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assassinator2.0

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #142 on: January 16, 2012, 21:34:14 »

I think that aircraft carrier was the USS Oriskany, but that was a controlled sinking (with preparations!).  :P

an unscheduled one then? :)
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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #143 on: January 16, 2012, 21:36:53 »

an unscheduled one then? :)


Not really... but please, don't see this sinking as a joke.  :-\
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assassinator2.0

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« Reply #144 on: January 16, 2012, 22:33:39 »

Not really... but please, don't see this sinking as a joke.  :-\

no im not trying to make it a joke! im sorry if it came off that way.
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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #145 on: January 16, 2012, 22:48:28 »

What an Idiot that captain is... Showing off... And that got 6 people killed!
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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #146 on: January 16, 2012, 22:48:35 »

This article offers a different opinion of the captain and crew...
http://gcaptain.com/shame-you-costa-concordias/
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The Ferry Man

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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #147 on: January 16, 2012, 22:49:32 »

I can;t see how anyone bar the Captain would know  this stuff - best to wait a bit I think
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« Reply #148 on: January 16, 2012, 22:58:13 »

:o I'm still trying to figure out why the Guest Services Manager is defending the Captain!
Oh, almost forgot,

Shame on you!!!
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Re: Costa Concordia Grounded, taking on water.
« Reply #149 on: January 16, 2012, 23:00:22 »

Again - how do we know yet - has the Captain come out and admitted doing this?
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