Knock Nevis go's for India

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[mightymike]

Knock Nevis's Wikipedia page updated today:
The vessel was sold to Indian breakers in late 2009 and renamed Mont for her final journey. She was photographed beached for scrapping at Alang, India on 4 January 2010.[7]

Anyone found these pictures yet?

[Stuart2007]

Why do they rename vessels right before they're scrapped?

I am going to guess that it is because it is sold to the scrap dealer before its last journey. The owning operator doesn't actually take it for scrap, the buyer does... so they change the name so that the seller keeps the rights to the name.

Also, it will usually (always?) be flagged with a convenience state for that journey.

[mightymike]

And we have found a picture, credit goes out to MidShipCentury

It's beached on Alang  

January 2, 2010.

I never interested in ships, but i saw a documentary about this one on discovery channel and it really interested me. What a shame... but money rules the world.

It appears she beached on 22 December last year.

[IRI5HJ4CK]

 

 

[Firestar]

I'm curious, do people ever try to sneak on board these vessels after they've been beached?

[mightymike]

I wonder why those ships don't fall at a side? they must catch a lot of wind..

[Season]

I wonder why those ships don't fall at a side? they must catch a lot of wind..

Probably because they're wayyyyy too heavy....

[IRI5HJ4CK]

As far as I know they're chained down as well...But I don't think they'd be going anywhere anytime soon

Also, Shane, I'd imagine so at some points or another, out of the locals own interest, and maybe to see if there was anything of any value onboard, but other than that, I don't think so. To them I suppose, it would just be a larger than normal ship. As well as that, she wouldn't probably have much of great value apart from her, herself...as scrap metal. Unlike something like say the SS France/Norway.

Jack.

[IRI5HJ4CK]

Yep...I certainly did Nath!

I was tempted to put a bid in but it was a little bit out of my price range

 

[VirtualSkipper]

And we have found a picture, credit goes out to MidShipCentury

It's beached on Alang  

January 2, 2010.

I never interested in ships, but i saw a documentary about this one on discovery channel and it really interested me. What a shame... but money rules the world.

It appears she beached on 22 December last year.

Well, a last look on her untouched structure 

[VirtualSkipper]

I wonder why those ships don't fall at a side? they must catch a lot of wind..

Well, those ships have such a wide structure wich make the very stable. Even in heavy storms. (the beam is around 70 meters)

[VirtualSkipper]

Why is this?

Well, you have the laws called the SOLAS laws (Safety Of Life At Sea). This law began in 1914.

These laws must be approved for the Knock Nevis.


 Part A - Carriage of dangerous goods in packaged form - includes provisions for the classification, packing, marking, labelling and placarding, documentation and stowage of dangerous goods. Contracting Governments are required to issue instructions at the national level and the Chapter makes mandatory the International Maritime Dangerous Goods (IMDG) Code, developed by IMO, which is constantly updated to accommodate new dangerous goods and to supplement or revise existing provisions.

Part A-1 - Carriage of dangerous goods in solid form in bulk - covers the documentation, stowage and segregation requirements for these goods and requires reporting of incidents involving such goods.

Part B covers Construction and equipment of ships carrying dangerous liquid chemicals in bulk and requires chemical tankers built after 1 July 1986 to comply with the International Bulk Chemical Code (IBC Code).

Part C covers Construction and equipment of ships carrying liquefied gases in bulk and gas carriers constructed after 1 July 1986 to comply with the requirements of the International Gas Carrier Code (IGC Code).

Part D includes special requirements for the carriage of packaged irradiated nuclear fuel, plutonium and high-level radioactive wastes on board ships and requires ships carrying such products to comply with the International Code for the Safe Carriage of Packaged Irradiated Nuclear Fuel, Plutonium and High-Level Radioactive Wastes on Board Ships (INF Code).
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She was simply not approved by the SOLAS laws.

[Season]

Thanks for the detailed explanation

[Stuart2007]

One thing puzzles me. WHY does everyone get so upset over an inanimate piece of metal that they have never even seen? Not just this ship, but generally?

Not every ship can be turned into a museum- and unless it is an especially historic ship, then why get so emotional?



NOTE: This is asked as a genuine question. It is NOT designed to provoke any flame type response. PLEASE answer properly, or if you don't like it just ignore it.

[IRI5HJ4CK]

In my own opinion, it is more sentimental value than anything.

The Jahre Viking, is of great significance...When it comes to Maritime achievements...However, one could say otherwise - The fact that she, fully laden, could not pass through the English Channel says that she had little use, and was only really built for specific ports...Like the Berge Stahl, although quite a bit smaller, was too.

However, I DO think that some ships such as Queen Elizabeth 2, or the SS France, should of/be saved. At least, as maybe a casino, (Like The France was for a period), or maybe just as a floating attraction somewhere, maybe as a hotel.

In a way, the likes of the Queen Mary is an exception when it comes to saving maritime achievements. She has a grand spot there, and, attracts many people - Because she is unusual, and was once a Cunarder...And shows what Ocean Liners were like in their prime.

A ship like the SS France on the other hand, would be to some degree, harder to sell to the general public. And, looking at the Norway in her final years - She was a total wreck. One of her boilers exploded in 2004, and Norwegian Cruise Lines lost total interest in her...She was an insurance nightmare, and, you could tell - It was time for her to "depart"..

In a sense, the Norway was given a second chance as being a cruise ship - And, I think that, people would only WANT to see her as the SS France, since the 'Norway' isn't nothing all that interesting to look at...With those added Aliminium decks, her whole slenderness, and idea of the 60's period Ocean Liner, was ruined...Hence why I think, if the Norway wasn't scrapped - She wouldn't be much use regardless. Since she just doesn't look LIKE an Ocean Liner...which would be the reason why people would want to see her, like the SS Rotterdam, Or Queen Mary.

Anyway...I blabbered a bit too much there, but, to sum it up, I think it all boils down to sentimental value to people (And myself, even), seeing an icon of the shipping industry dissapear, is sad...But at the same time - What purpose did the Jahre Viking serve, really? For the last few years of her life as an FSO, she just sat there...And even before that, she had a very broken up life span (quite literally), with the whole "war" over oil between Iran and Iraq and such...

Jack.

[Ballast]

SOLAS

The SOLAS doesn't mention the age where a vessel should be scrapped. The IBC code is applicable for vessels built on or after 1 July 1986. Vessel built before 1 July 1986 can still sail dangerous cargo's, after inspected and approved by the flagstate. 

I reckon that it is a fincial issue. The older the vessel gets, the more money the owner has to invest to keep her up-to-date. The age of 30 for a vessel this size is pretty good, don't forget the tremendous forces she has to withstand.

The major oil company's came up with the maximum age. For chemical tankers they set the bar at the age of 20. It's complete bs, some vessels in our fleet are over that age but in a much better condition than modern chemical tankers under a 'cheap flag'.

[sadsid (†2016)]

Hi Stuart2007
 When you sail in these lumps of metal you do get fond of them I sailed in
 Wyre Victory 3and a half years till she sank of milles reef (sule sigur)scotland
 and to watch a ship sink is very emotional for crew involved I can tell you.
 I also served in the Grampian dee for 11years and became fond of her so for
me and many like me seamen do get attached to these lumps of metal
                                                                                           Eric 

[IRI5HJ4CK]

Hi Eric..

You wouldn't happen to know any of the "Quinn's", would you? A friend of mine, Tony Quinn, I think his father was on a trawler going from Fleetwood, which also sank somewhere off Scotland..

Though of course, several did go down..

Also, with regards to getting attached to ships/boats, in my own way, I know how it does feel.

Jack.

[sadsid (†2016)]

Hi Jack
I sailed with his father in variouse wyre trawlers 
                                                              Eric

[IRI5HJ4CK]

Ahhh I see!!!

I know Tony very well...He's a good sort. He helps me out with Chartwork and such. He also arranged the bridge visit to the Leader, which is how I know David Eccles

Jack.

[Stuart2007]

Jack, you weren't blathering at all... It is interesting to hear other people's opinions.

I'm not saying that I wouldn't be blockading Portsmouth when the Day that PO Bilbao takes a trip to Alang. But the difference is that I've been on that ship many times, but I haven't been on the Knock Nevis and I suspect you haven't either.

Eric, your comment is definately understandable (for the same reasons above)- if you've effectively lived on a ship (as you do when at sea, of course) then seeing it sink might be like going back to the house you grew up on and seeing it bulldozed.

As I hope you realised from my post, describing them as a lump of metal was not designed to be offensive... But it illustrates the difference between the objective question and subjective answer... What IS it that makes a ship almost like a real person, whereas an aircraft/car/truck really is just a bit of metal to most people?

[IRI5HJ4CK]

Well,

To me, many things have direct sentimental value. For example, our old boat, Mary Elizabeth, that really did wreck me when she went..

But, other things such as say, the SS France, I look at in a different way...For me the France is an icon of a period of Ocean Liners that I love. The fact I never got to see her was what made me quite sad, and in a way, wanting to gain that knowledge about her that I missed out on because I could never see her in the "real world".

With boats/ships, more than anything, I think that sentimental value comes from when, you sail aboard them...It is your home away from home, and, you almost trust the boat/ship, and have feelings for it, in the sense that you operate it, and it is part of you.

The human mind is very weird in how it see's  things...For example, there are some things which I honestly couldn't care less about, even people, that have done things to me in the past - I have no time for. In that sense, an object can never do any wrong to you...And you can only bond with it, if it in turn, is 'good' to you..

That's kinda' my (Weird!), but personal thoughts on it

[Stuart2007]

So- and this isn't meant argumentative- what is better for sentimentality

Seing a photo/video of MV Ship whilst in service, or it staying in a dock, rusting, deteriorating...

I'm not saying you are wrong; not at all... I'm genuinely interested that's all.

[CaptainMike1]

There already is a topic for this:

http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,16314.0.html

[IRI5HJ4CK]

Well, for me, if I were to say...Bring Mary Elizabeth into the equation (Which was something dearly close to me),

In a way - I cannot tackle your question directly, for me, the fact that say, for example, something happened to Mary Elizabeth, the fact that I could never touch it again, or see it, would mean I just wouldn't be able to get in touch with those memories again, or 'remember' where I was before, or how she looked during my time aboard her. In a sense, I would rather see her still there, in some shape or form (As oppose to being turned into bake bean tins ).

Even though it would make me sad, say, If I was 50 years of age now, and I had served aboard "X" Ship, which I was looking at rusting away, I think for me the fact she would still be there would still allow me to think back to when I was aboard her. Though others opinions will probably differ on that one.

Jack.