Topic: Hmmm... (Read 8044 times)

Season · « **on:** February 16, 2008, 22:25:54 »

Hmm, I bought a new pc recently and wondered it is good enough for SS08

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processor: Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2140 @ 1.60 GHz (dual core...)
RAM: 2048 MB RAM
graphicscard: GeForce 8600 GT 1024MB

Thank you

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saltydog · « **Reply #1 on:** February 16, 2008, 22:33:39 »

seems ok, nubcake.., don't know about the processor..

do you have xp or vista..?

JHB · « **Reply #2 on:** February 16, 2008, 22:43:40 »

I hardly do not believe that you got 1024 MB on a 8600 GT card if you have not done major over clocking of the GPU....

The correct value is 256 MB

TerryRussell · « **Reply #3 on:** February 16, 2008, 23:12:53 »

Hi Nub Cake.

I think processor speed might be a problem. Ship Sim can hanlde dual processors, but they must be at least 2GHz (minimum spec), according to Carl a few days ago. At 1.6GHz, I think yours may be too far down the scale to work properly, assuming it can handle it at all - sorry.

To complicate things a bit, Questviewer only sees one of the two processors, I believe and that needs a minimum of 2.4GHz. (Although I can coax it to work on a 2.2GHz machine here, under Vista).

So, I suspect that you may have problems with this configuration.

Season · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2008, 00:43:53 »

Quote from: JHB on February 16, 2008, 22:43:40

I hardly do not believe that you got 1024 MB on a 8600 GT card if you have not done major over clocking of the GPU.... The correct value is 256 MB

No, 1024.

Quote from: TerryRussell on February 16, 2008, 23:12:53

Hi Nub Cake.

I think processor speed might be a problem. Ship Sim can hanlde dual processors, but they must be at least 2GHz (minimum spec), according to Carl a few days ago. At 1.6GHz, I think yours may be too far down the scale to work properly, assuming it can handle it at all - sorry.

To complicate things a bit, Questviewer only sees one of the two processors, I believe and that needs a minimum of 2.4GHz. (Although I can coax it to work on a 2.2GHz machine here, under Vista).

So, I suspect that you may have problems with this configuration.

Thank you

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J3nsen · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2008, 00:54:16 »

On my 8600GT is it 3GB

HAHA

Something wrong

Merlijn · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2008, 02:24:12 »

I think that is not completely wrong actually.
With these new nvidia cards, even though the card has its own physical memory, it will still get a share from the main RAM.
My 8800GTS has 256MB on it's own, but it also lists 1GB as total graphics memory... It just grabs a bit from my total RAM.

Rgds,

Yves

LucAtC · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2008, 02:51:50 »

Hello,
Yes, but there is also a 8600GT from Gainward with 1Gb memory (DDR2...)
Regards,
Luc

JHB · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2008, 04:01:43 »

I'm talking about the specs without borrowed RAM...
Show me the page that list a GeForce 8600 GT 1024MB card for sale???

That means that my 8800 Ultra got 7 GB at least

TJK · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2008, 04:10:18 »

look at min grapick card i have 512 mb but se herewah is right? i belive some of ram are dedicatet to psie caed if nessesery therfor so mutsh ram in the grapich card
Display Devicesnr1
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Card name: ATI Radeon HD 3870
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x9501)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9501&SUBSYS_12001462&REV_00
Display Memory: 3572 MB
Dedicated Memory: 504 MB
Shared Memory: 3067 MB
Current Mode: 1680 x 1050 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Generisk PnP-skjerm
Driver Name: atiumdag,atiumdva,atiumd64.dll,atiumd6a.dat,atitmm64.dll
Driver Version: 7.14.0010.0555 (English)
DDI Version: 9Ex
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 12/21/2007 03:48:29, 3031040 bytes
nr 2
Card name: ATI Radeon HD 3870
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x9501)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9501&SUBSYS_12001462&REV_00
Display Memory: 3572 MB
Dedicated Memory: 504 MB
Shared Memory: 3067 MB
Current Mode: 1680 x 1050 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Generisk PnP-skjerm

TJK · « **Reply #10 on:** February 17, 2008, 04:18:47 »

Quote from: JHB on February 17, 2008, 04:01:43

I'm talking about the specs without borrowed RAM...
Show me the page that list a GeForce 8600 GT 1024MB card for sale???

That means that my 8800 Ultra got 7 GB at least

i found one it for seil in norway at ps.no
http://www.palit.biz/main/vgapro.php?id=517 wrong

https://www.psdata.no/ps.asp?it=137779&mlevel=280302 wrong

so JHB i think you was wrong there and you Oder's to

i'm sorry, but your hawe right and i hawe wrongKindly regards
TJK

TJK · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2008, 04:26:46 »

Quote from: Nub Cake on February 16, 2008, 22:25:54

Hmm, I bought a new pc recently and wondered it is good enough for SS08 .

processor: Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2140 @ 1.60 GHz (dual core...)
RAM: 2048 MB RAM
graphicscard: GeForce 8600 GT 1024MB

Thank you .

then you haw is little slow you shud co for this Intel CPU Core 2 Duo E6850 3.0GHz S-775 1333MHz 4MB "Conroe but graphic an memory are OK

JHB · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2008, 04:34:03 »

You are linking to a 8800 GT not 8600 GT...

Lol.. I still think I'll have a point here.

Check out this site: http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce8.html (http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce8.html)

Still... what is the table saying for 8600 GT. It says 256 MB!
And please don't mix shared memory and all other nonsense into this. He wrote 8600 GT 1024 MB and not 8600 GT 256 MB. And I did get currious. Now we all know that what he did specify was something totally else than the memory the GPU actually got when you buy it.

This thread gave turned into a really interesting discussion anyway...it's based on misunderstandings

TJK · « **Reply #13 on:** February 17, 2008, 05:27:18 »

Quote from: JHB on February 17, 2008, 04:34:03

You are linking to a 8800 GT not 8600 GT...

Lol.. I still think I'll have a point here.

Check out this site: http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce8.html (http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce8.html)

Still... what is the table saying for 8600 GT. It says 256 MB!
And please don't mix shared memory and all other nonsense into this. He wrote 8600 GT 1024 MB and not 8600 GT 256 MB. And I did get currious. Now we all know that what he did specify was something totally else than the memory the GPU actually got when you buy it.

This thread gave turned into a really interesting discussion anyway...it's based on misunderstandings

begynner Ã¥ bli gammel mÃ¥ forstÃ¸rre skriften pÃ¥ skjermen tror jeg/ sorry forgot me i sad I'm beginning to be old and my eyes are not some they was, bigger font on the screen maybe
Sorry
Regards
TJK

TJK · « **Reply #14 on:** February 17, 2008, 05:36:42 »

Quote from: JHB on February 17, 2008, 04:34:03

You are linking to a 8800 GT not 8600 GT...

Lol.. I still think I'll have a point here.

Check out this site: http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce8.html (http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce8.html)

Still... what is the table saying for 8600 GT. It says 256 MB!
And please don't mix shared memory and all other nonsense into this. He wrote 8600 GT 1024 MB and not 8600 GT 256 MB. And I did get currious. Now we all know that what he did specify was something totally else than the memory the GPU actually got when you buy it.

This thread gave turned into a really interesting discussion anyway...it's based on misunderstandings

you have absolut rigth i'm reddraw my syaying dere gforse 8600 can has opp to 512 mb https://www.psdata.no/ps.asp?it=134169&mlevel=280302 but then the name is gts

Season · « **Reply #15 on:** February 17, 2008, 10:20:40 »

God, the fact that you guys don't believe me, winds me up. I know what video card I have and what it can do. Why should I "lie" about it? This wasn't my question either, I asked if my PC was good enough to handle ShipSim, and not discuss about my graphics card! Look at the photo and STOP this discussion, thank you.

Edited for language, DJM.

TerryRussell · « **Reply #16 on:** February 17, 2008, 11:55:36 »

Hi Nub Cake.

If it's any consolation, I believe you!

I don't think it was you they were questioning, but whether TJK had provided a llink to the wrong card's specifications.

Actually, it makes no difference, so who cares? 8600 and 8800 are fine. Ship Sim is not very demanding of the video card. It does need a fast processor though. 1.6GHz was the sticky bit.

saltydog · « **Reply #17 on:** February 17, 2008, 12:13:56 »

I agree, getting a bit off topic here..
Another thing to consider is perhaps if you use xp or vista, regarding the 2 Gb RAM..
For xp it's fine, for vista it's minimum...

Season · « **Reply #18 on:** February 17, 2008, 12:36:43 »

@TerryRussell: Thank you

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@saltydog: Yes I'm using Windows XP

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saltydog · « **Reply #19 on:** February 17, 2008, 12:42:23 »

Then you're fine "RAM-wise"..

LucAtC · « **Reply #20 on:** February 17, 2008, 12:48:32 »

Hello JHB,
http://uk.shoppydoo.com/price-video_cards-gainward_bliss_8600gt_pcx_tv_dual_dvi_1024_mb_ddr_ii_pci_ex.html
http://www.ciao.co.uk/Gainward_BLISS_8600GT_PCX_TV_Dual_DVI__6755212
Also Sparkle has the same configuration with 1024Mb GDDR2.
A Google search with the keywords "Gainward 8600GT 1024" could have given the answer
Luc

Kevinmcg_ships · « **Reply #21 on:** February 17, 2008, 12:52:39 »

Quote from: TerryRussell on February 16, 2008, 23:12:53

Hi Nub Cake.

I think processor speed might be a problem. Ship Sim can hanlde dual processors, but they must be at least 2GHz (minimum spec), according to Carl a few days ago. At 1.6GHz, I think yours may be too far down the scale to work properly, assuming it can handle it at all - sorry.

To complicate things a bit, Questviewer only sees one of the two processors, I believe and that needs a minimum of 2.4GHz. (Although I can coax it to work on a 2.2GHz machine here, under Vista).

I have dual core 2 processors running @ 2.13Ghz, so if Questviewer can only see one processor, then my PC is just scraping the barrel.

I think it is unbelievable that Questviewer can only see one processor - I wonder if that causes the random Questviewer crashes that I suffer from time to time?

Also, what about those with Quad-processors? Does it mean Questviewer can only see one processor and not the other 3?

No doubt future Ship Sim release would require more CPU power, so if the issue with Questviewer [only seeing one processor] is not resolved, then I foresee a lot of heartaches and frustrations...........

TerryRussell · « **Reply #22 on:** February 17, 2008, 13:10:31 »

You have to bear in mind that there are two parts to Ship Simulator. While Ship Sim can see two processors (don't know about quad, though), Questviewer apparently can only see one.

Now, Ship Simulator needs 2.4 GHz (single processor) or 2.0 GHz (Dual). But Questviewer only sees one processor, irrespective. However, my understanding is that it doesn't need 2.4GHz. (It's difficult getting to the figures for this, so this may not be correct. It's my best guess, having looked at 3DQuest technical data and so on).

Best option is a single processor 152GHz with 18TB of RAM. Or as close as you can get.

Ultimately, despite the hype multiple processors are not properly implemented (if at all) by most software packages. Windows itself is less than good and lots of the core functions within the Windows Kernel don't see multiple processors. So all in all, the extra speed is largely an illusion (or marketing deception, the choice is yours)

I must go and lay down now. My brain hurts.

TerryRussell · « **Reply #23 on:** February 17, 2008, 13:13:53 »

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I think it is unbelievable that Questviewer can only see one processor - I wonder if that causes the random Questviewer crashes that I suffer from time to time?

No, we all get that. It's by no means uncommon with highly specialised Games Engines. I don't think Questviewer is substantially worse or better than most of the others around.

My wife play Morrowind and similar games. She has the same sort of random crashes and lock ups.

My son plays all sorts of action games and they also do similar things from time to time. None of them are frequent enough to cause us to do anything but sigh and reboot.

saltydog · « **Reply #24 on:** February 17, 2008, 13:20:57 »

Terry, do you think nubcake's rather good videocard could help the processor in some way..?
(just thinking out loud here..)

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