Topic: Ferries for Dover-Calais? (Read 31308 times)

Denis · « **Reply #50 on:** August 17, 2010, 15:07:12 »

Indeed, those (ugly) cow catchers are not present on the por, but that doesn't make the PoR "unbertheable"

Nathan|C · « **Reply #51 on:** August 17, 2010, 15:07:43 »

Indeed, but it makes it un-loadable

The Ferry Man · « **Reply #52 on:** August 17, 2010, 15:08:43 »

Besides you really want something with a bow rudder...

*Cough Pride of Dover...

andyfinn · « **Reply #53 on:** August 17, 2010, 15:10:31 »

I think the Seaway would also be a good for the D-C environment

Nathan|C · « **Reply #54 on:** August 17, 2010, 15:11:55 »

Anything that operates down there would be fantastic, I'm just greatful VSTEP have made DCITSE in the first place

andyfinn · « **Reply #55 on:** August 17, 2010, 15:14:30 »

Quote from: Nathan|C on August 17, 2010, 15:11:55

I'm just greatful VSTEP have made DCITSE in the first place

True

The Ferry Man · « **Reply #56 on:** August 17, 2010, 16:28:31 »

Quote from: Nathan|C on August 17, 2010, 15:11:55

Anything that operates down there would be fantastic, I'm just greatful VSTEP have made DCITSE in the first place

That is very true... I am very greatful that we have DC in the first place

clanky · « **Reply #57 on:** August 17, 2010, 18:56:45 »

Guys, unless the physics of the pads on the ro-ro berths have been modelled then you are not really going to be able to use them very accurately anyway. In real life the ferries which use those berths go in at a couple of knots ahead and the pads absorb the impact, if they have been modelled as a solid quay then it will be almost impossible to enter the shoe without doing damage.

The only thing to do is wait and see what is in SSE, I am sure that someone at VStep will have made a berth suitable for whatever ferries are going to be in the game, whether it is entirely realistic in terms of the real life operation of the port or not it will still be a ferry crossing from one port to another which is something which up until now has not been possible.

rennie · « **Reply #58 on:** August 17, 2010, 18:58:12 »

whats the dover calais fleet

Denis · « **Reply #59 on:** August 17, 2010, 19:01:54 »

Quote from: clanky on August 17, 2010, 18:56:45

Guys, unless the physics of the pads on the ro-ro berths have been modelled then you are not really going to be able to use them very accurately anyway. In real life the ferries which use those berths go in at a couple of knots ahead and the pads absorb the impact, if they have been modelled as a solid quay then it will be almost impossible to enter the shoe without doing damage.

The only thing to do is wait and see what is in SSE, I am sure that someone at VStep will have made a berth suitable for whatever ferries are going to be in the game, whether it is entirely realistic in terms of the real life operation of the port or not it will still be a ferry crossing from one port to another which is something which up until now has not been possible.

In real life, the "pads absorbing the impact" thing would not occur, unless the master made a mistake, or was suprised by great winds. Those pads are not here to always absorb the impact, they're here IN CASE there is an impact, which is something everybody (and mainly the masters) want to avoid. Impacts "at a couple of knots" would severely damage the ships, with or without pads.

rennie · « **Reply #60 on:** August 17, 2010, 19:03:04 »

then i think ships should have ejector seats with small dinghys atached

Nathan|C · « **Reply #61 on:** August 17, 2010, 19:04:20 »

You're looking for the wrong game man.

clanky · « **Reply #62 on:** August 17, 2010, 19:05:22 »

Quote from: Denis on August 17, 2010, 19:01:54

In real life, the "pads absorbing the impact" thing would not occur, unless the master made a mistake, or was suprised by great winds. Those pads are not here to always absorb the impact, they're here IN CASE there is an impact, which is something everybody (and mainly the masters) want to avoid. Impact "at a couple of knots" would severely damage the ships, with or without pads.

Denis, I have sailed on ships in and out of Dover for a few years, so my post was not idle speculation.

rennie · « **Reply #63 on:** August 17, 2010, 19:09:36 »

denis i got an idea not to extreem they should have a patch thatwarns you if youre ship is too close to another maybe even to close to the enviroment

Denis · « **Reply #64 on:** August 17, 2010, 19:16:36 »

Quote from: clanky on August 17, 2010, 19:05:22

Denis, I have sailed on ships in and out of Dover for a few years, so my post was not idle speculation.

Well, you probably know what you're talking about. I probably misunderstood the term "a couple", for me I translated something like 5 knots, and I don't really see how you would absorb the kinetic energy (mvÂ²/2) of the thousand of tons of a ship running 5 knots, without damaging her.

clanky · « **Reply #65 on:** August 17, 2010, 19:21:48 »

Quote from: Denis on August 17, 2010, 19:16:36

Well, you probably know what you're talking about. I probably misunderstood the term "a couple", for me I translated something like 5 knots, and I don't really see how you would absorb the kinetic energy (mvÂ²/2) of the thousand of tons of a ship running 5 knots, without damaging her.

At a couple of knots (1 or 2) the pads absorb the energy and the ship comes to a graceful (ish) stop. At 5 knots, the pads absorb the energy and then send it straight back to the ship which then rebounds about half way back out of the horseshoe! (usually without damage to either ship or pad)

rennie · « **Reply #66 on:** August 17, 2010, 19:25:17 »

what about the other boat that got hit will he have safety pads?

The Ferry Man · « **Reply #67 on:** August 17, 2010, 19:28:46 »

Quote from: clanky on August 17, 2010, 18:56:45

Guys, unless the physics of the pads on the ro-ro berths have been modelled then you are not really going to be able to use them very accurately anyway. In real life the ferries which use those berths go in at a couple of knots ahead and the pads absorb the impact, if they have been modelled as a solid quay then it will be almost impossible to enter the shoe without doing damage.

The only thing to do is wait and see what is in SSE, I am sure that someone at VStep will have made a berth suitable for whatever ferries are going to be in the game, whether it is entirely realistic in terms of the real life operation of the port or not it will still be a ferry crossing from one port to another which is something which up until now has not been possible.

The only ferry suited in game is the PoR...

Edit: Rennie the pads are specific to the Dover/Calais berths...

Ralphy · « **Reply #68 on:** August 17, 2010, 19:58:22 »

The Red funnel ferries and wightlink ferries have pads like these just to avoid damaging the hulls.

especially the red jet terminals, on the pontoon there are tyres going all the way down the side but in the game they are not there so it will damage with the slighest touch

Pride of Dover · « **Reply #69 on:** August 17, 2010, 21:02:59 »

not always, i berthed the Fairmount in a queyside in iles du friol and it had no fenders on it and i didnt gets damaged at all, so maybe the fenders in the environments are for show to add to the realism

MokMok · « **Reply #70 on:** August 17, 2010, 21:09:01 »

@The Ferry Man:

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It would require serious conversion though
Specialised stern cow catchers...
Removal of the stern loading ramp
Inclusion of internal Car Deck ramps...

I know these strange cowcatchers of the Calais-Dover ferries. Every ferry from elsewhere which will sail between Dover and Calais must be converted for being suitable for the berths at Dover and Calais. For example the Stena Invicta and the Stena Empereur which had to be made suitable for the Dover-Calais route in the mid 90's. The berths in Dover and Calais have two linkspans stacked upon each other for small turnaround times.

All ferries have side fenders at the sides of the hull. These fenders are located at the main cardeck level. Why do ferries have such fenders at the lowest part of the hull near the waterline?

The Ferry Man · « **Reply #71 on:** August 17, 2010, 21:14:18 »

Quote from: MokMok on August 17, 2010, 21:09:01

@The Ferry Man:

I know these strange cowcatchers of the Calais-Dover ferries. Every ferry from elsewhere which will sail between Dover and Calais must be converted for being suitable for the berths at Dover and Calais. For example the Stena Invicta and the Stena Empereur which had to be made suitable for the Dover-Calais route in the mid 90's. The berths in Dover and Calais have two linkspans stacked upon each other for small turnaround times.

All ferries have side fenders at the sides of the hull. These fenders are located at the main cardeck level. Why do ferries have such fenders at the lowest part of the hull near the waterline?

the Cow-Catchers are very specialised - The Provence had one added on that didn't fit... required it to go back to the shipyard for modifications...

andyfinn · « **Reply #72 on:** August 17, 2010, 21:22:20 »

heres PoP in calais with her cow- catcher

The Ferry Man · « **Reply #73 on:** August 17, 2010, 21:22:56 »

Oh, she is a beauty...

andyfinn · « **Reply #74 on:** August 17, 2010, 21:26:38 »

Even thought she loved to hitting the breakwater at Dover

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