Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator Extremes => Topic started by: K2rockall on August 04, 2010, 19:27:12
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Surely there will be some new ferries (either P&O or Seafrance) provided with the Dover to Calais environment in mind? They can't expect you take the Pride of Rotterdam into Dover and consider it to be real can they?
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Looks like that's going to be what happens though. At the moment there has been no mention of any Dover-Calais ferries featured in SSE. However we never known until the day we try the game ourselves. We may be pleasantly suprised when we first open the ship selection menu :doh:
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Ah another person who has the same view as me :)
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Personally I don't think V-STEP are going to reveal all...but I may be wrong. I think they'll keep a few things to themselves until the game is released. They're not going to keep everything to themselves, because it wouldn't make sense to not promote the game, but I think they might keep some things back. Or, another explanation might simply that they were running short on time - maybe they'll decide to put a model or two in the shipyard?
All well and good talking about it...I guess we'll have to wait and see! ;D
Jack.
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You can just see a game dev from vstep looking at this and thinking "oh cr*P! i forgot about that" ;D
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Maybe they will tell us that, after the 9 august, I am not sure about the pride if rotterdam, can sail into calais and dover.
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On the released screenshots you can see that the Pride fits there ;)
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She only might fit on of the berths in Dover though..
I feel a fight starting..
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She only might fit on of the berths in Dover though..
I feel a fight starting..
Starting a fight over a ferry in a videogame doesn't make any sense at all. ;)
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I feel a fight starting..
Fluffy...white...clouds...and...rubber...ducks...
:P
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On the released screenshots you can see that the Pride fits there ;)
It would require serious conversion though
Specialised stern cow catchers...
Removal of the stern loading ramp
Inclusion of internal Car Deck ramps...
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It will certainly be a real shame if there aren't any new ferries included for this route and will spoil the product! Might stop me from buying it ultimately if most of the ships are the same as in SS2008. When I heard about the Dover-Calais route I was quite excited as I live near Dover and often go to see the ferries from the cliff tops. Much as I like the Pride of Rotterdam model I'd like something new and different. They seem to have missed a great opportunity to include the new Pride of Dover/Pride of Calais that will be operating the route shortly in the next year or so!
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Might not be entirely up to vStep, as they need the permission and cooperation of the owners of the vessel, and in the past that has been a problem regarding the ferries as far as I remember... I also think they are mainly focusing on adding variety to the ship lineup, and a new ferry with nearly the same performance and handling as PoR would not do that. Something for the Shipyard perhaps?
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It will certainly be a real shame if there aren't any new ferries included for this route and will spoil the product!
I fail to see how, since there probably will be so (too) much ferries for you to enjoy.
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I fail to see how, since there probably will be so (too) much ferries for you to enjoy.
there can never be enough ferries in the game, also, we really needs a Dover ferry in the game, the current ships are insufficent for DCITSE, they either dont fit, or are too slow. I'd say we should have either the Pride of Dover for a ship or European Seaway, or any passenger ship from Dover (discluding Seafrance)
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there can never be enough ferries in the game, also, we really needs a Dover ferry in the game, the current ships are insufficent for DCITSE, they either dont fit, or are too slow. I'd say we should have either the Pride of Dover for a ship or European Seaway, or any passenger ship from Dover (discluding Seafrance)
ShipSim isn't all about Dover strait and ferries. You can't please everyone with the available vessels but you can try to get a wide range of different types of vessels.
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An Incat is different, maybe one of them !:)
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32 Ships in total were mentioned, i made a list of ships that are already confirmed or seen in videos or pictures. I found something about 32 but no Dover - Calais ferrys. Still some interesting new Ships like "Mamba" and " Mare Australie", which i don't know so prepare for some surprises! :thumbs:
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The Mare Australe is the inland container barge.. also known as Wachthaven III from the mission creators super pack.
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I still think that model tractorman showed us of one of the new P&O ferries would be perfect :thumbs:
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I suspect that those who want to make the D – C run more than once will choose Red Jet because POR took over an hour for the run at max speed, not including leaving and entering the ports.
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I suspect that those who want to make the D – C run more than once will choose Red Jet because POR took over an hour for the run at max speed, not including leaving and entering the ports.
And? If thats what its like in real, thats how it should be, just because some people might be lazy and wont want to wait that long for the crossing time. I'd do it in Red Eagle if I had to!
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And? If thats what its like in real, thats how it should be, just because some people might be lazy and wont want to wait that long for the crossing time. I'd do it in Red Eagle if I had to!
Unfortunately not everyone would share the same view :lol:
I myself haven't really got a problem with it. But I only really go on long distance voyages when I feel like it.
I remember starting off in Cowes, making my way downstream and out of the environment...then worked my way down the 'coastline' that was there into this little area where the's an entry. You can see nothing around you. Very relaxing..
From there I continued then made my way back into the main channel. But don't forget, that didn't happen fast at 7-8 knots in the Furie!! :doh:.
I think the reason why I did like that though was because I was seeing something...ie green grass and coastline. With nothing around you except for Water on the Dover Strait I think i'd be carrying a little bit of a frown by the time I reached Calais...its not being lazy, it's just there's not much to see. I am very fond of long distance voyages and trips...I did a few right to the edge of the 'invisable wall' at Marseille. I enjoyed that, mainly because I was in a convoy with others...but that number decreased from 6-7 to 2-3 by the time we had reached it.
Jack.
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The Dover - Calais run would be rather dull without any AI ships.
Bearing in mind it is one of the busiest shipping passages in the world I would be very suprised if VSTEP haven't added any AI ships.
And as for the ferry itself well I think most members agree when they say they desire either The Pride of Dover or Spirit of Britain :thumbs:
The thought of POR in Dover just seems too big :( It would to me seem like getting the Pont Aven to do the Poole to Cherbourg route.
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I suspect that those who want to make the D – C run more than once will choose Red Jet because POR took over an hour for the run at max speed, not including leaving and entering the ports.
It is a realistic run then...
Excelllent ;D
I am actually planning a run with Red Eagle too...
*And if you feel sorry for me, think about the Crew on the Former St Catherine, a similar vessel, who are sailing from Portsmouth to Italy, and have had to traverse the Bay of Biscay in a vessel similar to RE, and at about 8 knots... :-\
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*And if you feel sorry for me, think about the Crew on the Former St Catherine, a similar vessel, who are sailing from Portsmouth to Italy, and have had to traverse the Bay of Biscay in a vessel similar to RE, and at about 8 knots... :-\
As horrible as Biscay can be, I have had far more calm and pleasant crossings of the bay than bad ones.
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As horrible as Biscay can be, I have had far more calm and pleasant crossings of the bay than bad ones.
That's good :thumbs:
But would you really want to have a bad crossing in this:
(http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww134/The-Ferry-Man/Ferries/Wightlink/St%20Catherine/th_DSC_0931.jpg) (http://s713.photobucket.com/albums/ww134/The-Ferry-Man/Ferries/Wightlink/St%20Catherine/?action=view¤t=DSC_0931.jpg)
(http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww134/The-Ferry-Man/Ferries/Wightlink/St%20Catherine/th_DSC_0920.jpg) (http://s713.photobucket.com/albums/ww134/The-Ferry-Man/Ferries/Wightlink/St%20Catherine/?action=view¤t=DSC_0920.jpg)
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I wouldn't want to cross the Solent on a summer's day in that.
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I have had a bad crossing on that! :doh: (Well, similar ship)
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I hope they hand out sickbags on that thing :) But it is nice that we now have a the choice to do along crossing. I know it's not everyones idea of fun but think of it this way there are flight simmmers that do 10hour flights and they have nothing but sky to look at and have nothing to do as the plane flys itself so at least spending just over a hour doing this is not as bad as that. I hope Vstep can come up with a deal with P&O to prehaps do a ferry pack as a addon for this as i'm sure there are quite afew of us that would buy such a pack. But for me thease cross channel crossings are what I will be doing the most so thanks to vstep for adding it in :2thumbs:
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The thought of POR in Dover just seems too big :( It would to me seem like getting the Pont Aven to do the Poole to Cherbourg route.
The length of POR is not really a problem...The Seafrance Moliere is only 10m shorter than the POR, and can berth in Dover and Calais with ease. P&Os newbuilds are exactly the same length as POR, too.
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Hi Nathan,
The lenght of the PoR is not an issue for both harbours, but you can be sure a ship like the PoR will never (in real life) be chartered on this line :) Not a question of length, but of ship design : PoR transports 260 cars (which is very little) and 530 cabins which would be a non-sense on a 1 hour and 30 minutes cross :) The Sea France Moliere accepts 660 cars and has no cabins (they ave been removed after her refit) :)
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Exactly, one whole deck of the POR is dedicated to Cabins, which would be totally unneccassary for D-C :doh:
The Seafrance Moliere used to be an overnight ferry, and it has been said that her interior design is totally wrong for Dover and Calais. Also the POR does not have bow doors which would mean the ship would have to turn around in each port :doh:
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a 112m incat would be perfect !:)
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a 112m incat would be perfect !:)
or a 74m InCat...
or a Fincaterri SuperSeaCat
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or a Fincaterri SuperSeaCat
That would be very nice.. :)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XRc0oFfWauc/SoHQ7DVmJiI/AAAAAAAAN9M/m2maId4Fo40/s400/P1000735%C2%AA.jpg)
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It would spend more time with the bonnet open than sailing :doh:
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It would spend more time with the bonnet open than sailing :doh:
lol
well currebtly there are 5 HSC with engine problems in UK waters
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The Dover - Calais run would be rather dull without any AI ships.
Bearing in mind it is one of the busiest shipping passages in the world I would be very suprised if VSTEP haven't added any AI ships.
Most PC's wouldn't be able to handle all the AI traffic if you would try to simulate a realistic crossing ;)
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But it would be good to have atleast 10 ships crossing like there are in free roam :thumbs:
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well, any ferry from the Dover-Calais fleet would be great :2thumbs:
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With 32 ships, lets hope at least one is suited to the route !:)
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Maybe they will tell us that, after the 9 august, I am not sure about the pride if rotterdam, can sail into calais and dover.
Well...
Apparently not :doh:
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I don't see why the PoR could not sail into calais and dover ? Not talking about internal commodities, but about sailing ?
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PoR would be fine sailing to either port
Its just the berthing arrangements...
Dover and Calais have highly specialised berths
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So basically, you could sail the PoR into either port, but not actually do anything useful with it there (like loading cars or passengers for example)?
But it is nice that we now have a the choice to do along crossing. I know it's not everyones idea of fun but think of it this way there are flight simmmers that do 10hour flights and they have nothing but sky to look at and have nothing to do as the plane flys itself so at least spending just over a hour doing this is not as bad as that.
32 hours, PBY-5, Perth, Australia to Colombo, Sri Lanka, recreating "the flight of the double sunrise" route flown by Quantas every week from June '43 to July '45. 3600nm and no (reliable) autopilot. Or GPS. Or radio. Had a friend stand in as copilot and flew on shifts.
Also flew around the world in a Cessna Caravan with extended fueltanks, landing at least once in every country. Took nearly a year with a little flying every evening. Was often caught during lunch breaks with approach maps and load balance sheets.
I'm for one is looking forward to the ability to actually go from somewhere to somewhere else without making it into a mission and seeing loading screens. I am not familiar with the area, but I would assume that it requires at least a minimum of navigation to hit the harbor entrance dead on when taking out a course after setting out from the opposite side? Would probably be more worse if we had currents and winds shifting us about making us follow a course rather than just a heading (you really dont want to mix those up on a long trip..).
I would also like to see some AI traffic during the crossing. Depending on rendering distance, you could get away with only rendering 10-15 ships at one time and still experience a crowded shipping lane. Like in GTA, where the city appears full of cars, but in fact it only actually renders the cars you can see.
It would aslo be nice with an authentic D-C ferry of course, even though I'm more of a cruiser than a working person.
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So basically, you could sail the PoR into either port, but not actually do anything useful with it there (like loading cars or passengers for example)?
Well you could berth at Berth 1, in Dover, but cannot think of any suitable berths in Calais
its a case of using the imagination for that all important refit to allow her to work as stern only (:/ I wanted to berth bow in at Calais) on the route...
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You definitely can berth the PoR, both sides, in any available berth ...
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you could berth her in the car carrier berth in calais if you only used her as a stern loader.
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You definitely can berth the PoR, both sides, in any available berth ...
It has no cow-catcher though...
*then again from the pics she has no name either :-\
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Indeed, those (ugly) cow catchers are not present on the por, but that doesn't make the PoR "unbertheable" :)
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Indeed, but it makes it un-loadable :P
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Besides you really want something with a bow rudder...
*Cough Pride of Dover...
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I think the Seaway would also be a good for the D-C environment
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Anything that operates down there would be fantastic, I'm just greatful VSTEP have made DCITSE in the first place :)
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I'm just greatful VSTEP have made DCITSE in the first place :)
True :thumbs:
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Anything that operates down there would be fantastic, I'm just greatful VSTEP have made DCITSE in the first place :)
That is very true... I am very greatful that we have DC in the first place :thumbs:
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Guys, unless the physics of the pads on the ro-ro berths have been modelled then you are not really going to be able to use them very accurately anyway. In real life the ferries which use those berths go in at a couple of knots ahead and the pads absorb the impact, if they have been modelled as a solid quay then it will be almost impossible to enter the shoe without doing damage.
The only thing to do is wait and see what is in SSE, I am sure that someone at VStep will have made a berth suitable for whatever ferries are going to be in the game, whether it is entirely realistic in terms of the real life operation of the port or not it will still be a ferry crossing from one port to another which is something which up until now has not been possible.
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whats the dover calais fleet
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Guys, unless the physics of the pads on the ro-ro berths have been modelled then you are not really going to be able to use them very accurately anyway. In real life the ferries which use those berths go in at a couple of knots ahead and the pads absorb the impact, if they have been modelled as a solid quay then it will be almost impossible to enter the shoe without doing damage.
The only thing to do is wait and see what is in SSE, I am sure that someone at VStep will have made a berth suitable for whatever ferries are going to be in the game, whether it is entirely realistic in terms of the real life operation of the port or not it will still be a ferry crossing from one port to another which is something which up until now has not been possible.
In real life, the "pads absorbing the impact" thing would not occur, unless the master made a mistake, or was suprised by great winds. Those pads are not here to always absorb the impact, they're here IN CASE there is an impact, which is something everybody (and mainly the masters) want to avoid. Impacts "at a couple of knots" would severely damage the ships, with or without pads.
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then i think ships should have ejector seats with small dinghys atached
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You're looking for the wrong game man. :doh:
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In real life, the "pads absorbing the impact" thing would not occur, unless the master made a mistake, or was suprised by great winds. Those pads are not here to always absorb the impact, they're here IN CASE there is an impact, which is something everybody (and mainly the masters) want to avoid. Impact "at a couple of knots" would severely damage the ships, with or without pads.
Denis, I have sailed on ships in and out of Dover for a few years, so my post was not idle speculation.
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denis i got an idea not to extreem they should have a patch thatwarns you if youre ship is too close to another maybe even to close to the enviroment :D
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Denis, I have sailed on ships in and out of Dover for a few years, so my post was not idle speculation.
Well, you probably know what you're talking about. I probably misunderstood the term "a couple", for me I translated something like 5 knots, and I don't really see how you would absorb the kinetic energy (mv²/2) of the thousand of tons of a ship running 5 knots, without damaging her.
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Well, you probably know what you're talking about. I probably misunderstood the term "a couple", for me I translated something like 5 knots, and I don't really see how you would absorb the kinetic energy (mv²/2) of the thousand of tons of a ship running 5 knots, without damaging her.
At a couple of knots (1 or 2) the pads absorb the energy and the ship comes to a graceful (ish) stop. At 5 knots, the pads absorb the energy and then send it straight back to the ship which then rebounds about half way back out of the horseshoe! (usually without damage to either ship or pad)
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what about the other boat that got hit will he have safety pads?
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Guys, unless the physics of the pads on the ro-ro berths have been modelled then you are not really going to be able to use them very accurately anyway. In real life the ferries which use those berths go in at a couple of knots ahead and the pads absorb the impact, if they have been modelled as a solid quay then it will be almost impossible to enter the shoe without doing damage.
The only thing to do is wait and see what is in SSE, I am sure that someone at VStep will have made a berth suitable for whatever ferries are going to be in the game, whether it is entirely realistic in terms of the real life operation of the port or not it will still be a ferry crossing from one port to another which is something which up until now has not been possible.
The only ferry suited in game is the PoR...
Edit: Rennie the pads are specific to the Dover/Calais berths...
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The Red funnel ferries and wightlink ferries have pads like these just to avoid damaging the hulls.
especially the red jet terminals, on the pontoon there are tyres going all the way down the side but in the game they are not there so it will damage with the slighest touch
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not always, i berthed the Fairmount in a queyside in iles du friol and it had no fenders on it and i didnt gets damaged at all, so maybe the fenders in the environments are for show to add to the realism
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@The Ferry Man:
It would require serious conversion though
Specialised stern cow catchers...
Removal of the stern loading ramp
Inclusion of internal Car Deck ramps...
I know these strange cowcatchers of the Calais-Dover ferries. Every ferry from elsewhere which will sail between Dover and Calais must be converted for being suitable for the berths at Dover and Calais. For example the Stena Invicta and the Stena Empereur which had to be made suitable for the Dover-Calais route in the mid 90's. The berths in Dover and Calais have two linkspans stacked upon each other for small turnaround times.
All ferries have side fenders at the sides of the hull. These fenders are located at the main cardeck level. Why do ferries have such fenders at the lowest part of the hull near the waterline?
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@The Ferry Man:
I know these strange cowcatchers of the Calais-Dover ferries. Every ferry from elsewhere which will sail between Dover and Calais must be converted for being suitable for the berths at Dover and Calais. For example the Stena Invicta and the Stena Empereur which had to be made suitable for the Dover-Calais route in the mid 90's. The berths in Dover and Calais have two linkspans stacked upon each other for small turnaround times.
All ferries have side fenders at the sides of the hull. These fenders are located at the main cardeck level. Why do ferries have such fenders at the lowest part of the hull near the waterline?
the Cow-Catchers are very specialised - The Provence had one added on that didn't fit... required it to go back to the shipyard for modifications...
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heres PoP in calais with her cow- catcher
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Oh, she is a beauty... :blush:
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Even thought she loved to hitting the breakwater at Dover :thumbs:
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:doh:
You have to bring that up :P ::)
Still... the ferries LOVE berth Calais 7...
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haha yer :lol:
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maybe we might even get working linkspans or have the missing berth in calais put in
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Hopefully and good old calais 9 which i went to for the 1st time last week on the kent
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I have never been to berth 9 :'(
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It was werid because im use to the normal p&o berths 5-6 when we went to 9 you just keep going throught the harbour. when you leave you run stern to end of calais 6 and turn where they normly do ;D
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It was werid because im use to the normal p&o berths 5-6 when we went to 9 you just keep going throught the harbour. when you leave you run stern to end of calais 6 and turn where they normly do ;D
I remember when I went on the Seacat to Calais, we went all the way down to the very end of the Harbour
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I remember when I went on the Seacat to Calais, we went all the way down to the very end of the Harbour
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Dont you mean vomet comet :D
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I had quite a pleasant trip on them...
Also went on Speed One for my 18th birthday ;D
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I dont think i have ever been on one :(
But I have had trip on the SRN4 in the cockpit :thumbs: