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Title: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 23, 2008, 15:43:47
"A trailing suction hopper dredger (TSHD) trails its suction pipe when working, and loads the dredge spoil into one or more hoppers in the vessel. When the hoppers are full the TSHD sails to a disposal area and either dumps the material through doors in the hull or pumps the material out of the hoppers. Some dredges also self-offload using drag buckets and conveyors. The largest trailing suction hopper dredger in the world is currently Vasco da Gama (Jan De Nul) with its 33,000 cu.m. hopper and a maximum dredging depth of 135m."


All updates on the project:
"Iron Flounder"
 will be posted here.
This project being developed by Llamalord.


Work In Progress Status:

Project Iron Flounder is currently at a total completion of 55%. I am looking for committed Beta testers for the "Iron Flounder Virtual Sailor Edition" If you are interested you can post at the bottom of this topic and let me know.

Model Progress: 
98%

Extra Model Progress:   
12%

Ship Simulator Programing:   
0%

Virtual Sailor Programing:   
65%


A long time ago some one told me that I should work with a more complex modeling system than Sketch Up.  At that time I didn't care much but now that I've had all the problems with conversions I've seen the light.  This project will be made in "True Space" which is almost a complete copy of 3DMax so it is completely compatible with all other 3D programs.

The "Iron Flounder" is Trailing Suction Dredger, This is explained above.  This is a fictional ship modeled after two real Trailing Suction Dredgers,

The "Cornelia"-Rotterdam,

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/423544455_610ab20aa5.jpg?v=0)

And the "Marieke"-Unknown

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/204/462765976_1e99786e4d_o.jpg)

The name "Iron Flounder" comes from a component that the ship is made of and the type of ship.  A Trailing Suction Dredger pulls sediment off of the floor of a canal or river, a Flounder is a type of fish that is known as a bottom feeder meaning that is pulls it's food off the floor too.

Pictures of the project will be in the post following this one.

Llamalord
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 23, 2008, 19:30:16
Here are the first full sized renders.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Captain Best on July 23, 2008, 20:37:44
Looks very nice Llamalord ;D Keep em Rolling. ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: pauljanaway1 on July 23, 2008, 20:48:36
yes good detail even this erly in the projet
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 23, 2008, 21:05:49
Do you guys think when It's done V-STEP will like it. :-\
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Captain Best on July 23, 2008, 21:08:05
Quote from: llamalord on July 23, 2008, 21:05:49
Do you guys think when It's done V-STEP will like it. :-\
i will hope so. Because this type vessel hasnt be added to Shipsim. and it would
be fun to piloting it and look at it on ShipSim :D
So i hope this vessel is going to added on the ShipSim or The ShipYard :D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 23, 2008, 21:10:28
Quote from: captain best on July 23, 2008, 21:08:05
Because this type vessel hasnt be added to Shipsim.

I know, thats why I chose to do it. ;)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 23, 2008, 21:12:26
I got one more picture for you.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Captain Best on July 23, 2008, 21:18:31
Quote from: llamalord on July 23, 2008, 21:12:26
I got one more picture for you.
Nice update. What program do you use to model this ship?
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 23, 2008, 21:34:00
From First Post. ;)

"A long time ago some one told me that I should work with a more complex modeling system than Sketch Up.  At that time I didn't care much but now that I've had all the problems with conversions I've seen the light.  This project will be made in "True Space" which is almost a complete copy of 3DMax so it is completely compatible with all other 3D programs."
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Minime on July 23, 2008, 22:11:01
That is very nice, hope vstep would add it.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 24, 2008, 15:15:09
Some more Renders from today's work on the pilot house and the bow area. :)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: maritiem on July 24, 2008, 18:16:46
nice model very nice!

maritiem
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Captain Best on July 24, 2008, 18:50:46
Quote from: llamalord on July 24, 2008, 15:15:09
Some more Renders from today's work on the pilot house and the bow area. :)
Nice updates. If Vstep dont wanna add it. i dont know what im gonna say :D because this is a nice and a good model and a new vessel that could be added to shipsim ;)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 25, 2008, 22:24:29
I just thought you guys might want to see the railing style I've chosen for the Iron Flounder. :)

;D My Lucky 777th Post ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Minime on July 25, 2008, 23:47:12
That's nice, keep up the good work
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 26, 2008, 01:00:34
Thanks I'll have more pictures tomarrow.  ;)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: serkan on July 26, 2008, 10:58:03
very good work  ;)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 27, 2008, 06:47:58
If you guys go to the Fog Horn topic in this section you can see, or rather hear what I hope to be the Iron Flounder's future Fog Horn.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: NathanC on July 27, 2008, 09:51:08
That looks brilliant, will it be in VS?
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 27, 2008, 15:11:12
First full sized high definition render. ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Mad_Fred on July 27, 2008, 15:14:30
Very impressive, great work, Llamalord!!   ;D

Fred
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Quaysider on July 27, 2008, 20:01:31
Very impressive but looks a little 'stumpy' - IMHO the working area aft should be larger than the wheelhouse
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 27, 2008, 23:16:32
I think you'll see in this older render that it is to proportion to the pilot house. :-\
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on July 28, 2008, 03:29:37
very nice
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 28, 2008, 03:37:25
Quote from: NathanC on July 27, 2008, 09:51:08
That looks brilliant, will it be in VS?

I was planning on it but I've had some problems with some of the pilot house nodes when exported into DirectX format.  It's kinda hard to explain  but I'm trying Really, Really hard to fix this couple of nodes in ascii format.

So over all, I think so. :-\
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 28, 2008, 04:43:47
All right Fellas I will have some more High Deffinition Renders Tomarrow for you all to gaze at. ;)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 28, 2008, 23:09:46
As I promised, Here are today's renders of the Pilot house. :)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 29, 2008, 00:28:51
Actually I've decides that I didn't like the windows color I changed it to this darker glass.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Mad_Fred on July 29, 2008, 00:30:54
Hiya lord of the llamas

I think you should go for the clearer glass to be honest.

Dark might look good, but you have to think about being in there and looking out.. in, say VS.. or possibly SS..  ;D

That dark glass would not be really nice to look out of. In game that doesn't reallt work out like real tinted glass.

But for looks, I do agree.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 29, 2008, 00:40:53
Hmmm.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 29, 2008, 03:14:04
You do have a point,

How about we break some where in the middle and I'll leave their base color black instead of the light blue and just make it slightly more transparent.

Although I wouldn't ask the designers of the QM2 though. ;)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/51/133456316_ac84eb3bc6.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Mad_Fred on July 29, 2008, 03:54:43
Well, you can of course have it anyway you like, it is your project, but I was just thinking out loud, from an ingame point of view.  :)

I'm not keen on dark windows in games, because it's just not that goodlooking when you're actually playing from the wheelhouse/bridge. I prefer no glass at all, because a game just cannot give you clear glass like the real world has. It's always a sort of haze, that you look through, if you know what I mean..  ;D

Your picture is dead for me btw....  :-\

Fred.

Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on July 30, 2008, 20:10:43
All new Full render!  With new windows for Fred. ;)

Hope you like them.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: pauljanaway1 on July 30, 2008, 20:50:51
looking very good
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: NathanC on July 30, 2008, 21:57:37
Looking excellent  :)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Paddy134 on July 31, 2008, 00:06:16
Wow nice job! she's looking lovely!
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Mad_Fred on July 31, 2008, 01:06:13
Great work, oh Lord.


I love the windows!  ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: RMS Gigantic on July 31, 2008, 04:27:46
Way to take the VSTEP approach and combine 2 vessels ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Shipaddict on July 31, 2008, 15:47:13
Very nice work indeed :)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 03, 2008, 04:15:50
I'm working on the textures for the ship now so I will have some propper textures and New Renders tomarrow.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 03, 2008, 17:21:50
Just one render for now but more coming soon.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Captain Best on August 03, 2008, 18:17:38
Quote from: llamalord on August 03, 2008, 17:21:50
Just one render for now but more coming soon.
very nice update lord of the llamas :D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: NathanC on August 03, 2008, 18:19:31
That looks brilliant - i can't wait to sail it in SS, and if not that, then VS  :)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 04, 2008, 05:52:56
I'm still having some problems converting from True Space to Virtual Sailor but I'm still working and some more renders will be coming soon. ;)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Captain Best on August 04, 2008, 08:18:55
Quote from: llamalord on August 04, 2008, 05:52:56
I'm still having some problems converting from True Space to Virtual Sailor but I'm still working and some more renders will be coming soon. ;)
so how much procent is it finish? 70% Finish ::)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 04, 2008, 13:10:34
Ya I'd say about that 65% or so. :-\
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 05, 2008, 22:43:22
New Updates are ready for disclosure. 8)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Captain Best on August 06, 2008, 09:35:34
Quote from: llamalord on August 05, 2008, 22:43:22
New Updates are ready for disclosure. 8)
Cool Updates Lord Of Llamas. is this a replacer of Gmax? ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 06, 2008, 13:01:59
I personally Can't work with GMax I think it's just a load of bytes. :(

So I guess you could put it that way. ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Captain Best on August 06, 2008, 19:05:59
Quote from: llamalord on August 06, 2008, 13:01:59
I personally Can't work with GMax I think it's just a load of bytes. :(

So I guess you could put it that way. ;D
eeeeerr. arnt you using Gmax Now?
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: NathanC on August 06, 2008, 19:10:38
Quote from: captain best on August 06, 2008, 19:05:59
eeeeerr. arnt you using Gmax Now?

In his first post he said he was using "True Space"  ;)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Captain Best on August 06, 2008, 19:39:04
Quote from: NathanC on August 06, 2008, 19:10:38
In his first post he said he was using "True Space"  ;)
ok. is it free?
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Shipaddict on August 06, 2008, 20:28:12
http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,9431.0.html

:)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 06, 2008, 21:20:51
Shhh,  It's like my secret treasure.  Telling people it's free will let all the Sketch Up rif-raf in and make my job harder. :P
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Captain Best on August 06, 2008, 21:29:27
Quote from: llamalord on August 06, 2008, 21:20:51
Shhh,  It's like my secret treasure.  Telling people it's free will let all the Sketch Up rif-raf in and make my job harder. :P
haha. isnt it way we are created then ;D
anyway. im not good at modelling. :D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 06, 2008, 23:02:56
I've gotten some comments like... "I'm sruggling to see the difference between the two renders" ...I'm going to start including bullet points of all the changes between renders.

Have a new one. ;)

Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: J3nsen on August 06, 2008, 23:08:42
Not bad!  :D

Nice details! I like it!  ;)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Water Weasel on August 06, 2008, 23:25:08
Good job! I admire all you guys that construct these ships. The only thing that I see that you might change is the pipe at the bow. It would look better and more realistic if the elbows were 2 45 degree instead of 90 degree.
But like I said, GOOD JOB.

WW
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 06, 2008, 23:58:24
I might do that, :-\
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 07, 2008, 00:29:55
More renders coming tomarrow guys, sorry to keep you waiting. ;)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Minime on August 07, 2008, 00:41:02
looking forward to them. Great work llamalord
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 07, 2008, 05:38:04
I need your guys help with something.

I'm going to start the really detailed modeling seen and I need to know what you want the real name of the ship to be:


AGD Iron Flounder  -Sea Going Dredger

YM Iron Flounder  -Powered Dredger


The name you chose will define what equipment is on board and what kind of missions it will have in the game. ;)

Llamalord
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Minime on August 07, 2008, 12:19:45
I don't know the different between powered and sea going dredger
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 07, 2008, 16:02:57
An "Ocean going" dredger does exactly that, It goes in the ocean. ;)

The difference is where will this vessel stay: In a canal or harbor, or at the rotterdam entrance. :-\
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Minime on August 07, 2008, 18:19:37
Well I think it's your choise.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Mad_Fred on August 07, 2008, 19:06:49
Hiya Llamalord,

I'd say the Powered Dredger would be more usefull.

Suppose this vessel could be included in SS08 when it's done, then the most interesting environments to sail in are the ports, really. Then you'd have more things to make missions about, so to speak. More possible interaction with the environment... more than just the open sea maps, I think.


Fred

Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 07, 2008, 19:19:32
Yes but I like the sound of AGD better. ;)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Mad_Fred on August 07, 2008, 21:36:54
Hmm, yes that does actually sound better, I agree.  ;D

Perhaps you can just leave it in the middle? Can't it have ocean going capabilities AND do the canal/port work too?  (I don't know much about these vessels to be honest.)



Fred

Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 07, 2008, 22:11:48
Sure it can I was just looking for a quick answer. ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Quaysider on August 07, 2008, 22:13:30
Quote from: Mad_Fred on August 07, 2008, 21:36:54
Hmm, yes that does actually sound better, I agree.  ;D

Perhaps you can just leave it in the middle? Can't it have ocean going capabilities AND do the canal/port work too?  (I don't know much about these vessels to be honest.)



Fred



Certainly can - either of the two dredgers photgraphed in the first post can do both roles.

Patrick
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: maritiem on August 09, 2008, 14:17:25
hi i like your dredger very much, do you already have a logo?
just take a look at this movie  http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=WUgkzwoIg4w&NR=1  hope you like it.
maybe it helps you with your project.  ;)

maritiem
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 11, 2008, 22:05:17
Quote from: maritiem on August 09, 2008, 14:17:25
do you already have a logo?

What Logo? ???


I have been putting of work on the Iron Flounder lately because of work on my Navigational Aids Add-on Pack but I will be working on the Iron Flounder very soon again after all the conversion kinks are worked out.

The Lord of The Llamas
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: maritiem on August 12, 2008, 13:48:47
Quote from: llamalord on August 11, 2008, 22:05:17
What Logo? ???

yes a logo for on your ships funnel for example.
like this one.

maritiem
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Tomaten on August 15, 2008, 13:25:44
llamalord, this is some of the nicest models I've ever seen  :o :) :)
I really think they have a big chance to get into SS :)
amazing models!!!
good work!
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 20, 2008, 04:44:06
There will be some new updates comming soon along with a change.  All renders will now be in full, [img ]"Source"[/img ]) format to allow esier viewing. Also a Virtual Sailor Beta Version may be avalible soon.

I've been working on a new vessel that will hit this forum soon.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 25, 2008, 05:45:11
There Will Be All New Full Screen Renders In A Few Hours Time, So stay posted.

Also to answer your question about Logos, I'd rather not have a logo on this ship because it is after all a partially fictional ship.  Almost none of V-STEP's fictional ships have Logos. So I just thought it was fitting. :-\
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Captain Best on August 25, 2008, 20:21:29
Yea. Maybe you could hide a little logo in the ship. maybe your profile picture in the bridge exempel ;D

But i realy hope it will come into Shipsim ;)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 25, 2008, 20:27:09
You see the hidden things like that all the time in VS.  I've seen a piece of toilet paper that says "Here you are Lari" ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Captain Best on August 25, 2008, 20:29:16
Quote from: llamalord on August 25, 2008, 20:27:09
You see the hidden things like that all the time in VS.  I've seen a piece of toilet paper that says "Here you are Lari" ;D
hahahaha ;D

its your turn to Shipsim.  ;D

A little Post with the toilet.

only for llamaking ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 27, 2008, 00:51:06
Sorry for the delay on those renders but I've been busy the last day on so days. I think I will get them to you at:  01:30:00 p.m. Wednesday August 27, 2008 in GMT or 9:30am my time, just so you know I'm not wasting my day. ;)

Make Sure you check back This Update Is A Big One!
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 27, 2008, 17:15:43
New Renders

(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9944/ironflounder25go5.jpg)

(http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/9860/ironflounder26nt8.jpg)

(http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/6727/ironflounder34tf3.jpg)

(http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7348/ironflounder33gg4.jpg)

(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1181/ironflounder27hu7.jpg)

(http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8999/ironflounder28nx9.jpg)

(http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/9168/ironflounder32ej7.jpg)

(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/184/ironflounder29kt3.jpg)

(http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/6597/ironflounder31hd4.jpg)

(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1559/ironflounder30zu0.jpg)

(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8163/ironflounder35it9.jpg)[/list]
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: J3nsen on August 27, 2008, 18:06:26
Nice  :D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Mad_Fred on August 27, 2008, 18:09:19
Great update, and worth the (short) wait.  ;D

Excellent work, I like it a lot!!



Fred

Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Sam on August 27, 2008, 18:33:40
Well, that looks great.

But I have one comment.

The ship is much to short, wich makes it look unrealistic.
Try to find some information about real dredgers and look at their sizes.

Beceaus you keep saying, a dredger is allready in development, I think a more realistic model is needed.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Quaysider on August 27, 2008, 18:43:43
Quote from: Sam on August 27, 2008, 18:33:40
Well, that looks great.

But I have one comment.

The ship is much to short, wich makes it look unrealistic.
Try to find some information about real dredgers and look at their sizes.

Beceaus you keep saying, a dredger is allready in development, I think a more realistic model is needed.

Thank you Sam for saying exactly what I said a few pages back, glad it's not just me that thinks it is too short.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 27, 2008, 19:15:12
I'm really getting annoyed with that statement. :(

I have done weeks of research before I even made this hull.  This Dredger is close to a real dredger that works around Cape Cod MA.  The kind of dredgers you are thinking of are used in large comercial shipping ports like Rotterdam.  The size of a dredger is proportional to the amount of sand and water it needs to carry.  In smaller canals and rivers like around Cape Cod ships don't need any more than about 10 feet max to move around.  Also I agree that in those renders the Iron Flounder does look a little bit short but that is all about perspective.  Below there will be three images.
1:  Large Dredger
2:  Small Dredger
3:  A non-Perspectively influanced render of the Iron Flounder


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3253/2311836673_bb5abf305c.jpg)

(http://www.newburyengineering.co.uk/cockle%20dredger%20cardium.jpg)

(http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6140/lengthqi7.jpg)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Quaysider on August 27, 2008, 19:28:39
I don't want to upset you, you are doing something I never could and it is impressive (and I assume time consuming). However, you have chosen to design the vessel with a very disproportional 'earning space' compared to the 'living space', and for that reason alone I would expect it wouldn't get into the game. Double the length of the 'earning space' and it would look better.

As an aside, the second photo "Cardium II" is a fishing vessel :)

Rgds

Patrick
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 27, 2008, 19:37:28
I guess I just saw the hoses and the pipe and the storage tank and the suction arm and the... and I guess my not so guess was wrong.

I will stand by my model even after your hefty put-down.  This is a highly realistic model and I also will stand by that. :(

Also I just did the math my dredger has 2.5 feet less of living space in length than a proportioned larger dredger has. That's close to 1/5 of the vessels length.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Captain Best on August 27, 2008, 20:31:25
Very nice Model Llamalord.

Why be negative.

Its nice. and i dont see any problems with it.

And he's not finish Yet.

So maybe he could have changed the lenght without you noticed that.

Its not finish.

So i dont see that you are negative.

But i love the model ;)

Best Regards

Captain Best
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 27, 2008, 22:06:14
Thanks for your kind words Best,

I know only need about five more people to say something like that to make up for it. :P  That kind of insult can really hurt a man. :-[
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Master Captain on August 27, 2008, 22:42:30
wow, looks awesome llamalord. Nice work.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Aad The Pirate on August 27, 2008, 22:50:30
Ahoy Llamalord,
Those who can build better models have the right to speak. But I haven't seen any work (except for a few lightpatches and re-paints of just 1 vessel, the P6) that even can compare with your work in the slightest way. Keep up the good work, and don't let it spoil by some people who can only give comments.
Best regards
Aad
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 27, 2008, 22:57:10
That is the best statement I heard all week, Thanks.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: TerryRussell on August 27, 2008, 23:09:27
Hi Supreme Emperor of the camel-like beasts.

Can I say "looks pretty good to me"?

Is the head-count enough now? (I have a block-vote of 50,000).

I note that often when people say "it's wrong", those people have no facts to back up what they're saying. Whether its "The PoR turns wrong", or "Latitude turns too fast" or "Latitude turns too slow", it often seems to be based on.... well, nothing at all.

If either of the adverse commentators above have some data to back up their claims of wrongness, let them speak now or forever hold their (cod) piece.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Aad The Pirate on August 27, 2008, 23:11:23
You're welcome.
BTW, why don't you use the 'transparant' avatar? Or is it only on my screen that it has a greyish/blueish background?
Regards
Aad
And after posting that I realized that my avatar, which is really transparant, shows the same background. Must be the forumprefs :'(
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 27, 2008, 23:36:55
weird your's and mine are Transparent on my screen. :-\
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Minime on August 28, 2008, 00:22:29
That is so good llamalord, I love it, everything is perfect with it, including the lenght, you did a great job there. ;)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Water Weasel on August 28, 2008, 02:50:54
Good job...
'nuff said

WW
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 28, 2008, 21:24:53
I just thought it was time for...

More Renders!

This time all the work is on the dredging arms.  They're not quite finished, mainly around the point where they connect to the boat.  Also I've started to do something different with the renders them selves.  See if you can tell me what. ;)

(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5930/ironflounder36nw3.jpg)

(http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2598/ironflounder37pa0.jpg)

(http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/8690/ironflounder38jd7.jpg)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: J3nsen on August 28, 2008, 22:34:04
Nice details!  ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Aad The Pirate on August 28, 2008, 22:36:50
Ahoy llamalord,
Smoothy, smoothy, like a good cold pint on a hot summersday.
Regards
Aad
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 28, 2008, 22:45:52
Thanks for all of your nice comments guys, I'm going to start work on the Helm/pilot house now.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Minime on August 28, 2008, 23:28:31
Quote from: llamalord on August 28, 2008, 22:45:52
Thanks for all of your nice comments guys, I'm going to start work on the Helm/pilot house now.
Nice, I'm looking forward to see some interior
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Ballast on August 29, 2008, 21:30:10
Looking good Llamalord!!  ;D

I also think it looks too short, but maybe that's because we are not used to see ships with this proportionals.


Look at this photo;

(http://www.binnenvaartkrant.nl/systeem/img/fotos_schepen/494.jpg)
I don't know the English name for this type of vessel. It goes alongside dredgers and the dredger loads her with sand and water and then barge pumps the water out of the hold. If you look at the proportionals, it also looks bad with the "living area" and the "earning money area". But the "living area" also serve the purpose of buoyancy. Im having a hard time to write this down in English, so i hope you get my point.  ;D

Pls finish her, she looks great!

Maybe you want to change this though,

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee229/mennojan/Untitled2-2.jpg)
The connection for the dreding arms. At your renders its fitting directly to the hull. Most (maybe all?) trailing suction hoppers have it like on the pic, the dreding arm slides up and down.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 29, 2008, 21:49:08
Is that like on a sliding rack that drops down to the fill hole because if so...  ...That's Cool. 8) ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: maritiem on August 30, 2008, 15:33:05
 :o  great model work! very nice.hope to see some more other renders soon!

maritiem
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Nathan|C on August 30, 2008, 16:13:31
That looks really neat Llamalord, great work.

Can't wait for the release  ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: dannyman1995 on August 31, 2008, 13:24:27
im wuite jealous i wish i could make something that good
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: maritiem on August 31, 2008, 17:57:41
Quote from: llamalord on August 29, 2008, 21:49:08
Is that like on a sliding rack that drops down to the fill hole because if so...  ...That's Cool. 8) ;D

Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 31, 2008, 19:42:11
As I said I've done tons of research so I don't think there is a diagram of a dredger on the internet that I haven't seen so, Yes I've seen that one, and Yes that is the one that I found the answer in. ;)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Sam on September 01, 2008, 20:28:13
Llamalord, I am not trying to insult you, but I only want to help you make your model better.

If you can show me one picture of the same size of ship wich is similar to that one, then you convinced me that your model is realistic.

But this just looks like a small dredger with big dredger equipment on it, and that isn't realistic.

Mostly, small dredgers have a bucket hoe.
Like this one: http://www.deme.be/equipment/Durme_GB.pdf
Some have a crane with a bucket.

But, there allso are small dredgers wich are more like a barge with a suction head.
Like these: http://www.damen.nl/PRODUCTS/CUTTER_SUCTION_DREDGERS.aspx?mId=8613
And these: http://www.damen.nl/PRODUCTS/PLAIN_SUCTION_DREDGERS.aspx?mId=8617

How long is your ship?


Well, I don't know a lot of dredgers, maybe someone else on the forum who works on a dredger can convince me.

Your modelling skills are great, I would never be able to do that good in gmax.
But I think your weeks of research weren't well spent.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on September 02, 2008, 00:32:32
Well you sure have done a fine job of insulting my work and my intelligence.

Here is said dredger that is just as small as mine;

(http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/T03_Imag/03.27.06/Dscn0960.jpg)

And here is another trailing suction dredger that is only a few feet longer than The Iron Flounder.

(http://members.lycos.nl/fsanderse/080501/WD%20Mersey.jpg)

I completely agree that most small dredgers have large buckets or scoops but some dredgers that have to handle small areas with a greater rate of speed are trailing suction dredgers.  I hope those pictures prove my point to all of you non-believers.

To settle everyones stomachs the Iron Flounder is ~112.76 Feet Long and ~31.65 Feet Wide.  I've never lost my temper on this forum, or any other for that matter, and I'm not about to lose it now.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: LucAtC on September 02, 2008, 01:41:41
The Severn dredger (http://www.vesseltracker.com/en/Ships/Wd-Severn-7430931.html?show=photos) (IMO 7430931) seems to be 230ft long and has a beam of 46 ft.
But there are indeed dredgers of all kinds and sizes, as many as there are waterways having various bottoms, sand, gravel, mud, cars, anything.

Did you already know how much materials "Iron Flounder" will load? It is indeed at this stage of the design that you can best check the underwater volumes: unloaded, with the propellers just near to the surface, and loaded at maximum draught, water almost at the main deck. It is of course that volume that will define the kind of dredging work, and I am convinced there are more small dredgers than big ones.

Regards,
Luc
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on September 02, 2008, 02:49:43
Thanks for your support Luc, I need all I can get.

I have all the specifications of the Iron Flounder's Holding tanks on my computer but I'm on my Laptop now so I'll get the capacity to you guys later.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Timbo on September 02, 2008, 11:26:14
Quote from: llamalord on September 02, 2008, 02:49:43
Thanks for your support Luc, I need all I can get.

I have all the specifications of the Iron Flounder's Holding tanks on my computer but I'm on my Laptop now so I'll get the capacity to you guys later.

Hi llamalord,
                Your Iron Flounder is a great ship and think must go into the shipyard as a lot of people would like to put in into there game,
it would make some great missions as there is nothing like this in the game up to yet.

Keep up the good work and please vstep take note of this one.                 Cheers Timbo  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: edwinmorgan on September 02, 2008, 11:30:56
its really cool lol
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Aad The Pirate on September 02, 2008, 12:43:56
Ahoy llamalord,
Can't agree MORE :), that is truly a masterpiece of work. Come on, VSTEP, give this guy the credit he diserves, put this model in the Shipyard a.s.a.p. and let the missionbuilders have a lot of fun too ;D.
Regards
Aad
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: TerryRussell on September 02, 2008, 15:01:04
Hi Aad.

It is a fine model, to be sure.

But wait until you've done that beta testing on the Creators Forum. Then when you realise that is just a microscoping portion of the work involved, you'll understand why these things take so long or are sometimes to expensive to be a commercial proposition.  ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on September 04, 2008, 02:56:54
There will be some new renders of the Dredging Arm Connections and the Helm and Pilot House Interiors hopefully coming soon.

Stay Tuned and I will keep you Posted. ;)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Minime on September 04, 2008, 13:12:13
Looking forward for that.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: maritiem on September 04, 2008, 15:10:36
Quote from: Minime on September 04, 2008, 13:12:13
Looking forward for that.

me to!

maritiem
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on September 04, 2008, 21:36:51
Glad to hear it, They're in the making.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Sam on September 05, 2008, 16:56:12
Quote from: llamalord on September 02, 2008, 00:32:32
Well you sure have done a fine job of insulting my work and my intelligence.

Here is said dredger that is just as small as mine;

[image]

And here is another trailing suction dredger that is only a few feet longer than The Iron Flounder.

[image]

I completely agree that most small dredgers have large buckets or scoops but some dredgers that have to handle small areas with a greater rate of speed are trailing suction dredgers.  I hope those pictures prove my point to all of you non-believers.

To settle everyones stomachs the Iron Flounder is ~112.76 Feet Long and ~31.65 Feet Wide.  I've never lost my temper on this forum, or any other for that matter, and I'm not about to lose it now.

Your dredger looks great, but not like the ones on those pictures.
There are a 100 things different.

To me, it just looks like a large trailing suction hopper dredger where they toulk a 100m out.

Those ships on those pictures are very different!
I am talking about breadth, details, position of wheelhouse, shape of the hull.


I am sorry that I am doing this, but something on that model just doesn't feel right.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: maritiem on September 05, 2008, 18:37:58
Quote from: Sam on September 05, 2008, 16:56:12
Your dredger looks great, but not like the ones on those pictures.
There are a 100 things different.

To me, it just looks like a large trailing suction hopper dredger where they toulk a 100m out.

Those ships on those pictures are very different!
I am talking about breadth, details, position of wheelhouse, shape of the hull.


I am sorry that I am doing this, but something on that model just doesn't feel right.

it's a work in progress.and i think he knows what he is doeing.
like aadjepiraatje said: the real ship modelers has right to speak!

maritiem
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Nathan|C on September 05, 2008, 18:58:19
I think it's coming along fantastic Llamalord.

I found a real dredger of about the same size.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/80776801@N00/197530994/
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: LucAtC on September 05, 2008, 21:32:07
The dimensions of this dredger, Marieke, can be found here (http://www.deme.be/Equipment/Marieke_GB.pdf).
2.85 times the length, 2.24 times the beam, somewhat bigger.
Regards,
Luc
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on September 06, 2008, 00:05:05
I've stinken seen one of these on Cape Cod!  Really I know what I'm doing I'm not going to let myself fly off the handle about this but I really have done plenty of research and I know what I'm doing. :(

My next model to hit this forum is the SS Sabino which is the last coal-fired steam ship in America so, Yes it's real, so you Can't say it's not right.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: maritiem on September 06, 2008, 13:09:12
well llamalord do you have some pictures? i'am still coming back to this topic too see if there are some new pics but there are non. i'am very curious so. ::)

maritiem
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on September 06, 2008, 14:59:12
Do you mean pictures/renders of the Iron Flounder or of the Dredger I saw on Cape Cod?
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Nathan|C on September 06, 2008, 15:24:13
I think some people should stop moaning in this topic and appreciate that you are doing this for our entertainment.

To the people who are complaning; I'd like to see your model of a dredger. Excellent work Llamalord, looking forward to when it's done!
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on September 06, 2008, 15:27:45
I thought mentioning one of the worlds most famous steam ships being modeled would put a spark into this topic but I guess I was wrong. ::)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: maritiem on September 06, 2008, 16:16:20
Quote from: llamalord on September 06, 2008, 14:59:12
Do you mean pictures/renders of the Iron Flounder or of the Dredger I saw on Cape Cod?

i mean from your dredger the iron flounder.

maritiem
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: maritiem on September 06, 2008, 16:19:44
Quote from: llamalord on September 06, 2008, 15:27:45
I thought ships being modeled would put a spark into this topic but I guess I was wrong. ::)

no you weren't wrong it was a spark into this topic for me.  :)
i'am really joyning watching pictures of some new renders of your ship.

maritiem
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on September 06, 2008, 16:21:48
I've felt like I have been neglecting my other 3D projects like the Sabino so there will be some new renders soon but none of them will really be all that amazing although a few of the thing that people have been nicely suggesting I change will be fixed.  So yes I do like suggestions but not complaints. ::) ;)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Sam on September 07, 2008, 12:04:18
Quote from: Nathan|C on September 06, 2008, 15:24:13
I think some people should stop moaning in this topic and appreciate that you are doing this for our entertainment.

To the people who are complaning; I'd like to see your model of a dredger. Excellent work Llamalord, looking forward to when it's done!

NathanC, If I make a model, people may moan about my model, beceaus maybe then I will realise that I am not doing it well.

You shouldn't expect no comment if you put it on a forum.

I am going to start a topic about my project and people may moan about it as much as they want.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: maritiem on September 08, 2008, 17:35:28
hi llamalord

how is it going with your project? could we please see some pics of it, cause i'am very curious now after so long time!  ;D

maritiem
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Ballast on September 14, 2008, 14:49:00
How is the project Llamalord?  ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: maritiem on September 14, 2008, 16:40:15
yes do you have any renders of your dredger? it's a long time ago since i asked for it.

maritiem
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Captain Best on September 14, 2008, 21:27:09
Yes.

I would love to see any updates from the ship :)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on September 14, 2008, 21:38:44
I'm kind of sorry guys but I've been working on the other ship I'm modeling right now...

If I don't switch off between them I get really annoyed and we wouldn't want me to lose interest in modeling now would we. ;D  I know a few  of you have heard me going on about this other ship and I decided today I would shell out 1 and on 1 render.

Enjoy the glory that is The Sabino!!!

(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/886/render6ed8.jpg)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Ballast on September 14, 2008, 22:34:27
Woohooo, very nice  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Aad The Pirate on September 15, 2008, 12:21:08
Ahoy llamalord,
WHOOOW, indeed. Is it an excisting vessel or a product of Your imagination? What are the measures of this one? Or, comparing to the Elbe: is she longer or shorter, wider or smaller etc.
Regards
Aad
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Captain Best on September 15, 2008, 13:23:22
Woohoo

Nice Ship.

Would be nice if i could hear the facts of the ship.

Lenght
High
Name
Max Speed

ETC...
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: LucAtC on September 15, 2008, 13:52:41
Hello Aadje,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabino_(steamer) gives some details, but not her height...  :)
The Emperor of the Llamas will tell you!
Regards,
Luc
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: maritiem on September 15, 2008, 15:12:57
nice ship, althought she can't beat the iron flounder!  ;D


maritiem
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Sam on September 15, 2008, 19:29:04
Just like I said in another topic: Verry nice ship!

I think it is better than the Iron Flounder.

It has the right dimensions and allso looks realistic.

Great work Llamalord!
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on September 15, 2008, 21:11:34
Thanks Guys,

The reason she looks real and has good looking dimentions is because she is real! ;D

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3261/2569670687_7edd2e053c.jpg?v=0)

She currently lives at the Mystic Seaport in Mystic Connecticut.  This is the 100th year of the Sabino.  She still has the same engine that she was built with and has possibly the coolest history of any ship other than the Titanic.  For example most ships on get to sink once but the Sabino has sank Twice already.

I want to get the Sabino out as a 3D model for Ship Simulator for her 100th birthday.  And show America's Pride for the Last American Coal fired Steamer.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Aad The Pirate on September 15, 2008, 23:31:45
Ahoy llamalord,
I assume that You're still working on the Sabino because I still miss a thing or two or three ;D
Regards
Aad
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on September 16, 2008, 03:32:41
I'm not sure I understand the Question... ...Or statement.  :-\
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Nathan|C on September 16, 2008, 06:22:13
Quote from: llamalord on September 16, 2008, 03:32:41
I'm not sure I understand the Question... ...Or statement.  :-\

"I'm sure you're not finished on the Sabino because it's still missing a few things"
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on September 16, 2008, 11:46:15
Ohhhhhh!!!!   I get it. ;D

Yes I'm not quite done yet with the base model but I have done alot in the last few days sense that last render.  All I have calculated that I have left to do is,


I've left these details for the last because I have no resources that show me for instance, Which way the last railing support on the rear stairs go, Lucky for me I'm going to visit the Sabino again this week end. :)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Aad The Pirate on September 16, 2008, 15:36:30
Ahoy llamalord,
I ment that I miss the funnel, the lifeboat and maybe some other things ;D
Regards
Aad
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Nathan|C on September 16, 2008, 16:37:57
Lookin' great though Llamalord, can't wait to see the finished product.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: maritiem on September 16, 2008, 18:52:08
I hope you won't drop the iron flounder project.  :-X
btw nice ship, but like I said before..... she can't beat the iron flounder  :D
keep on the good work!


maritiem
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on October 18, 2008, 14:25:47
Well, Hi fellas

If you take a look at my progress post (First Post) you will notice that I have updated my progress.  In other words new renders and possibly some virtual sailor screen shots will be coming soon.

For fans of my other models be sure to take a look at the SS Sabino topic for another update.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: bbydino05 on October 18, 2008, 14:29:22
that is a pretty nice vessel hopefully if you like make very high detail vstep can add it in the next patch as a gift
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on October 18, 2008, 14:34:39
Not only does the Iron Flounder already have over the number of polygons that V-STEP has set a their maximum it also meets all the reqirments so far.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on November 30, 2008, 21:23:27
Any Virtual Sailor Beta Testers out there?

The Iron flounder is almost ready for it's first virtual Sailor appearance.  I only have a few more bugs to work out of the system and then it's off to you guys to find the rest.

Moderators Please Note:  Although this ship may be connected with Virtual Sailor in post of late I still consider this an active Ship Simulator project and would prefer it to stay located in the Active Projects Board.

Thanks for your support,
   The Lord of the Llamas
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Shipaddict on November 30, 2008, 21:28:10
I would be happy to help test it :)

I don't have the best comp, but it can run most stuff ;)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on December 30, 2008, 20:03:26
(http://[size=20pt][b][u]Iron Flounder Ready for Virtual Sailor!!![/u][/b][/size])

The Iron Flounder Virtual Sailor Edition v1.1 (VSE) is ready for any follower to sail.

Right now the only way to receive Iron Flounder VSE v1.1 is by Personal messaging me.  You must agree to a standard licence agreement and then I will E-Mail you a self-installer.

In under a month www.llamalord.-org"-" in place to prevent from linking to root provider site. will be up and running with all sorts of downloads, videos, screenshots, and tutorials for True Space among others.  I will be hosting many boats such as the Iron Flounder, The Imperio, The SS Sabino, The Privateer, and several yet unnamed vessels.  Also a selection from my buoy project will be there along with the long awaited "Light Ship".

I will post some pictures of the Iron Flounder VSE v1.1 as soon as my computer with VS is done with my 12 hour video render of the SS Sabino which will also be available on request and on llamalord.org.

Thanks for your support,
  Nick
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on January 01, 2009, 20:16:37
As promised here are some Iron Flounder Pictures from the ocean blue.

(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1397/ifvse1ui5.jpg)
Larger Image (http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1397/ifvse1ui5.jpg)

(http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4243/ifvse2xq9.jpg)
Larger Image (http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4243/ifvse2xq9.jpg)

(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4175/ifvse3ab5.jpg)
Larger Image (http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4175/ifvse3ab5.jpg)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: J3nsen on January 01, 2009, 21:16:51
Verry nice!  ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Master Captain on January 01, 2009, 21:38:33
looks cool ;)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Minime on January 01, 2009, 22:30:13
That looks very good, great work, are you going to make a video of it? then we could see it better
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on January 01, 2009, 23:02:46
As soon as Llamalord.org is up and running you will be able to find a video there.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Minime on January 01, 2009, 23:32:02
good, can't wait
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Nathan|C on January 02, 2009, 17:18:56
I did PM you about this Llamalord but you haven't sent a reply yet?
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on January 02, 2009, 17:39:03
Really... :-X

Hold on...
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on January 20, 2009, 08:49:37
Hi Llamalord!

I've been following your projects hehe. They are amazing, Sabino is looking great as well!

I'd also love to help with the Beta Testing, I have Virtual Sailor :)

Keep up the great work!

Jack.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Master Captain on January 21, 2009, 00:15:51
yes looking great and cool that you're gonna have your own website ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Ballast on March 15, 2009, 17:46:35
Quote from: llamalord on January 01, 2009, 20:16:37
As promised here are some Iron Flounder Pictures from the ocean blue.

(http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4243/ifvse2xq9.jpg)
Larger Image (http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4243/ifvse2xq9.jpg)


Looking nice Llamalord! You may want to change the lights on top of the wheelhouse, it's now a pilot boat  :P Vessels with restricted manoeuvrability (which includes dredgers) have red-white-red lights (from all directions visible).

Cant wait to sail with it on VS  ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on March 15, 2009, 18:57:33
Dang, I thought I looked those up...

I'll check my source but for now.   www.llamalord.org
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: Ballast on April 05, 2009, 17:57:22
@ Llamalord. How is the Iron Flounder, already up for download? Can't wait!  ;D
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on April 22, 2009, 21:22:15
WOW!!!

Just because you put such an effort in to your pictorials I will most certainly address them!!! ;D
I have to do this little by little because they are so complicated and well thought out.

First the positions of the arms in that render are a bit "Old" or out of date so I have included an up to date render with the current positions and connection to the hull.

<Edit:  True Space is giving me a hard time rendering at the moment for some unknown reason so I will upload and then host the said render in few minutes depending on how truespace cooperates. :-\>
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on April 23, 2009, 02:31:24
Thanks for all the help and the great graphics that make my life so much easier!  You can consider that one done.
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: S.Reich on May 19, 2009, 02:24:24
I tried to check out your site, i guess it's not working right now :( I'd be glad to test any of your vessels for you, just pm me.....I like the dredger tho.

Scott
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: llamalord on August 11, 2009, 21:04:08
Little bit large for me... 8)
Title: Re: Project: "Iron Flounder" - Trailing Suction Dredger
Post by: firestar12 on August 11, 2009, 23:41:54
Nice model Nick, and nice model WM, good find! :2thumbs: