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English forum => Ship Simulator 2008 => General discussions => Topic started by: RMS Gigantic on April 11, 2008, 02:34:02
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What would you think of the RMS Lusitania and SS Edmund Fitzgerald joining the RMS Titanic in Ship Simulator?
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Hi,
actually, we have already two old liners on this game: Titanic, and you RMS Gigantic! ;D
Joke aside, why not? I'm not a particular fan of the old ships but I understand there are here a lot of players who loves them, so you will easely find support, I guess. ;)
Budbud.
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I love RMS Titanic to but i don't see the point to have nearly similar ships in the game, just my meaning
Kind Regards
TJK
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I love RMS Titanic to but i don't see the point to have nearly similar ships in the game, just my meaning
Kind Regards
TJK
I can see where you come from with the Titanic/Lusitania similarity:
(http://www.titanictown.plus.com/titanictown/titanic.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e8/Lusitania_1907.jpg/300px-Lusitania_1907.jpg)
but... the Edmund Fitzgerald looks completely different to me!
(http://www.crh.noaa.gov/mqt/fitzgerald/fitzgeraldpic.jpg)
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I can see where you come from with the Titanic/Lusitania similarity:
but... the Edmund Fitzgerald looks completely different to me!
(http://www.crh.noaa.gov/mqt/fitzgerald/fitzgeraldpic.jpg)
Agree there ;D she was nice to, maybey litle diferent yes
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I would love to have the Edmund in the game and the Lusitania. but Titanics sister ship, whats the point in that?
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I would love to have the Edmund in the game and the Lusitania. but Titanics sister ship, whats the point in that?
I didn't mention it here... but otherwise, there were quite a few differences between the Olympic and Titanic ON LAUNCH DAY! enough to make 1,003 ton difference and the Titanic 3 inches longer. The Britannic was 1.5 feet wider, had more life boats, and was a hospital ship...
But anyway, back to the subject: The Edmund Fitzgerald, being a lake cargo vessel, could get loaded with cargo, like the cargo ships! A mission with all three would be amazing! It could be like a relay: Lusitania docks near Titanic, which goes to the Fitz (lol, nick name used when it sailed) so it can make a delivery.
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Why add another liner?
Add an old tanker or laker!
That would be great.
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Why add another liner?
Add an old tanker or laker!
That would be great.
The Edmund Fitzgerald IS an old laker!
Also, the first line of the trailer is "From the great liners of the past," but how is that possible if, at this point, there is only one historic liner...?
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The Edmund Fitzgerald IS an old laker!
Also, the first line of the trailer is "From the great liners of the past," but how is that possible if, at this point, there is only one historic liner...?
That's because it's refering to ship classes rather than single ships. "Kinds of ships" in the game, if you will.
It's just a nice way of putting it.. don't take it too literally. ;D
Fred
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"..The lake it is said never gives up her dead
when the skies of November turn gloomy
With a load of iron ore 26,000 tons more
than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty...."
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loving these ships is going to give me a hatred of nature, lol
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I was at a marine archaeology event this past weekend where we had various presentations on shipwrecks in the Great Lakes. One talk was about the project to lift the original ship's bell of the Edmund Fitzgerald and replace it with a new one with the names of the crew engraved on it. This task was completed by the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum, with the assistance of HMCS Cormorant, a Canadian Navy tender for two submersibles. All are since retired. I got to meet the captain, dive officer and two crew of the Cormorant. They graciously signed copies of DIVER magazine which three of us won, describing the project.
The Fitz is famous here in Ontario, as it sits on the bottom in two pieces about 162 m down, just over 250 m in on the Canadian side of the US-Can border in Lake Superior just outside of Whitefish Bay. Check out Wikipedia for "Edmund Fitzgerald" for all the details. The wreck site is designated "off limits" to divers, because of the known presence of human remains. There are plenty of resources for pictures, data, etc. if anyone wants to try a model. I'm not able, or I would.
Sad shipwreck, still very much remembered here. I thing the "Fitz" would be a real addition to our fleet. JVH
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As for differences between the Titanic and Lusitania, The Lusitania is noticably smaller, faster, and has a much different look in terms of decks.
Jan Van Heemstede, can you link to some of those resources? It's popular over in the US, too, as it was OUR laker! ;D Can we have it back, please? ;D
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my friend's "father" was first mate on her in the 74 season, he has pictures of it from that summer. He was moved to captain on another vessel for the 75 season, the pictures really set in when you look at them.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/theempirebuilder/sets/72157594367597757/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/theempirebuilder/sets/72157594367597757/)
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(http://i37.tinypic.com/v2r2vl.jpg)
Clipper ship Red Jacket
(http://i38.tinypic.com/nozzw3.jpg)
HMS Beagle
(http://i37.tinypic.com/2w2m1ba.jpg)
USS Enterprise
The 3 most famous ships i think of
Yes i has forgot qe2 and titanic with purpose ;D
TJK
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The worlds 3 most famous ships are:
QE2
Titanic
QM2
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The worlds 3 most famous ships are:
QE2
Titanic
QM2
Then wee are agree then, but they are so famous then it was little fun to put on some odder famous ship lol
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He he yeah, if they were in order of fame id say:
1st. Titanic
2nd. QE2
3rd. QM2
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He he yeah, if they were in order of fame id say:
1st. Titanic
2nd. QE2
3rd. QM2
correct but i will put
France/Norway on the 4rd France was finest, but Norway more modern stile
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He he yeah, if they were in order of fame id say:
1st. Titanic
2nd. QE2
3rd. QM2
Titanic is only famous because She sank...but that's been discussed before. And RMS..who said Titanic was the greatest ship in History..? ;D
It's certainly debatable... but as i said, that's been discussed before..
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Titanic is only famous because She sank...but that's been discussed before. And RMS..who said Titanic was the greatest ship in History..? ;D
It's certainly debatable... but as i said, that's been discussed before..
I didnt say Titanic was the greatest ship in history, just the most famous, because she sank. QM2 is the greatest ship in history In my view But everyone has their opinions
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Sorry, wasn't clear. Was directed at RMS Gigantic ;)
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Sorry, wasn't clear. Was directed at RMS Gigantic ;)
I see, this does get confusing, me and RMS Gigantic
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Indeed it does ;D
While Titanic DID sink, does the thought of her hay-day not fascinate?
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You mean hay-day as in; 'best time of one's carreer' or 'at the height of something's exsistance'?
Does something that fails to serve it's purpose on the very first try have a hay-day, I wonder? ::)
But was it fascinating? Yep, it sure was!
Not as much as it is to people nowadays though, I think. People are always fascinated with new things, untill they get replaced with better things, with the exception of certain unique historic events. :)
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Hay-day was a mistake of heyday, as I later found.
Anyway, the idea is that with wrecks, people from time to time try to envision what the wrecked object looked like when it was brand new.
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Yup I know what you mean.
But if you also, in that proces, get in the frame of mind of the people of that age, and not look at it from a nostalgic point of view as a modern person, it will be very different, I think.
The people back then in that age of constant leaps in technology, were constantly confronted with "the next greatest, biggest, most luxurious, best, modern, etc" thing. We still have that today, but I somehow think their stuff was more impressive, on a scale of the work involved and how hard that work usually was.
Their fascination would be just as big, but would not have lasted that long, or be as strong, as the nostalgic person in this day and age has with her, that's what I mean.
She was just another ship amongst ships, for a moment the greatest perhaps, but would have been forgotten soon, by the general public, if not for the disaster.
I never have a problem with her title "most famous ship of all times", that is very true, but that "greatest ever" title that is often set right beside it, is just a bit silly to me. :P
Fred
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I know they wouldn't have cared much at the time, but after the ship got into a famous incident, it did! She became more popular than her sister and her name lasts the test of time!
The thing about Titanic is that her story almost sounds like some myth or legend invented to prove a point, her name coming to represent an idea, and nearly everyone knows the tale. So finding the actual material wreck, the ghost of the legend itself, is incredible to many.
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it is a good idea to have 2 more historical ships. I think I will vote for the Empress of Ireland and the Queen Elizabeth 2
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it is a good idea to have 2 more historical ships. I think I will vote for the Empress of Ireland and the Queen Elizabeth 2
Good point except I will vote SS Normandie and RMS Queen Mary
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I'll RMS Campania since it is the most likely candidate that Jason De Donno would model after finishing Titanic (IF he feels like modeling more)
I'm not sure I'd want to do another four funneller. It depends a lot on how much research material is accessible. Research is time consuming and can be frustrating. It can take months if not years. I did at one time think of doing Kaiser Wilhelm, but now I have pretty good collection of RMS Campania plans, so she's a likely candidate for the future.
from http://titanic-model.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=100&topic_id=20927&mesg_id=20927&listing_type=search (http://titanic-model.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=100&topic_id=20927&mesg_id=20927&listing_type=search)
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how about the Normandie.......greatest liner ever built (http://www.oldgloryprints.com/SS_Normandie.jpg) (http://www.miottelcollection.com/uploads/ssn1.jpg)
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The Queen Mary's rival? nooooo way. they'll just be attacking one another
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how about the Normandie.......greatest liner ever built (http://www.oldgloryprints.com/SS_Normandie.jpg) (http://www.miottelcollection.com/uploads/ssn1.jpg)
Totally agree with you there khan
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Research on historic ships usually takes months or years, which is why the RMS Campania is most likely, as Jason already has a sizable amount of info on it. Go RMS Campania!
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In holland the most famous ships are
1Pakjesboot 12(For sinterklaas)
2Titanic
3QM2
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CUNARD: CAMPANIA AND LUCANIA
CARONIA AND CARMANIA
CARPATHIA
UMBRIA AND ETURIA (last Cunarders fitted for sail, last single screw Cunarders, Last Iron hull cunarders, scrapped 1910--Bissett Vo 2 "TRAMPS AND Spambot"--MY EARLY YEARS IN STEAMERS' "Bill" Bissett served on UMbria in her last years under Capt. James Charles (later Commodore Sir James Charles) Bissettt became Commodore Sir James Bissett in 1942 and retired in 1946. He was Thrid officer under Arthur Rostron aboard th CARPATHIA at the time of th TITANIC sinking
WHITE STAR: TEUTONIC, OCEANIC
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Hit the button accidentally , also meant to add that TEUTONIC AND OCEANIC were both ships that Thomas Andrews worked on as a junior designer Alos White's Star's Big Four ( CELTIC, CEDRIC, BALTIC, ADRIATIC)
ILE DE FRANCE
AQUITANIA
I don't fully understnadf the prhibition on not having Olympic and Brittnaic/Gignatic,. Since White Star no longer exists as a seperate entity were is the problem? can someone explain?
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Is it me or is this turning into a "What ship do you think belongs in the game" topic. There are literally HUNDREDS of them on the forum. If anyone here wants to play that game, its HERE: http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,938.0.html Not here...
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They should try to put LITTLE (note the LITTLE not full and not ott) inside e.g about 2 big rooms like the staircase (grand one not the one in there)
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Id love to have the Edmund Fitzgerald in game, Very tragic her story, I read up a lot on her. Very mysterious too.
I was surprised that her bridge and structure is up front.
A song about her too-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqhFiEqs1IY
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Id love to have the Edmund Fitzgerald in game, Very tragic her story, I read up a lot on her. Very mysterious too.
I was surprised that her bridge and structure is up front.
A song about her too-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqhFiEqs1IY
The song "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald", By Gordon Lightfoot, is acutally a steal, he wrote the words, but the actual song is an old Irish folk tune called "I wish I was Back Home In Derry"
Cathy
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Oh, I didn't know that. Either way, its a nice song.
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I don't think Titanic was the greatest ship in history - This one didn't kill 1500 people,
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Neither did Olympic, Nathan.
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Wasn't Titanic's fault that it killed 1500 people.
Oh wait, yeah it didn't have those life boaty thingys... ;D
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If you want to blame the lifeboats, blame the fact that the lifeboat drill was cancelled because it was on a Sunday, a church day.
"Guess what? Today's ships are accidents waiting to happen because their lifeboats don't carry enough food stanchions to last 30 days at sea!"
There are some things that people don't think are possible until it's too late.
Hindsight is easy. Foresight is nearly impossible.
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Neither did Olympic, Nathan.
Oh sorry - that only killed 8.
The really sad thing is, that these ships weren't great at all, but some Hollywood Director made som bige fancy Movie about one of the ships, and suddenly it became all "Great" and "Famous". But look closer, and it was nothing more than a Disaster waiting to happen.
I can repeat this as many times as you like. I think you'll also find that in her 40+ year Career, the number of fatalities on QE2: 1.
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The really sad thing is, that these ships weren't great at all, but some Hollywood Director made som bige fancy Movie about one of the ships, and suddenly it became all "Great" and "Famous". But look closer, and it was nothing more than a Disaster waiting to happen.
How many times do I hear that from you Nathan! ;D Although I agree ;)
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Oh sorry - that only killed 8.
Wrong again.
The only death on Olympic was when someone jumped overboard.
So try one, that not even being the ship's fault.
P.S.: If you think that the 1997 movie was when it first became famous, try again.
Try 2 movies in the year it sank, then another in 1929, and again in 1943, and 1953, and 1958 (A Night To Remember), 1979 (S.O.S. Titanic), then in 1980, 1982, 1995, a 1996 miniseries, THEN the 1997 movie, followed by an animated movie in 2001.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg (pun intended), as it also made cameos in movies like Ghostbusters II and many more! Lets not forget about the countless songs and books, and, of course, the discovery of the wreck in 1985!
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Todays Life Boats.... They don't need food for 30 days. Most of the life boats come with a radio. And with that i doubt a lifeboat would be out at sea for 30 days.
Oh and also about the world famous ships. I'd probably have to say that it changes because alot of ships were famous at different times. Like the titanic Seeing she was the biggest ship in her time she wouldve been the most shall i say famous ship then. Or the Andria Doria when seh was sailign probably one of the most Luxurious Liners in the days. That would probably be becuase italian liners were always like that.
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Wrong again.
The only death on Olympic was when someone jumped overboard.
So try one, that not even being the ship's fault.
P.S.: If you think that the 1997 movie was when it first became famous, try again.
Try 2 movies in the year it sank, then another in 1929, and again in 1943, and 1953, and 1958 (A Night To Remember), 1979 (S.O.S. Titanic), then in 1980, 1982, 1995, a 1996 miniseries, THEN the 1997 movie, followed by an animated movie in 2001.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg (pun intended), as it also made cameos in movies like Ghostbusters II and many more! Lets not forget about the countless songs and books, and, of course, the discovery of the wreck in 1985!
Nope sorry,
A person did Indeed jumped overboard during a voyage, but the Olympic also caused 7 deaths when it cut a light ship in two. ;)
So, wrong again.
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Quite right. :)
Fred
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Nope sorry,
A person did Indeed jumped overboard during a voyage, but the Olympic also caused 7 deaths when it cut a light ship in two. ;)
So, wrong again.
Oh, yeah! I saw that on a video, but forgot since it was so long ago! ;D
But you gotta gimme credit on how as soon as Titanic sank, she was famous ;)
She went from being overshadowed by her sister to the most famous ship in all of history literally over night!
Todays Life Boats.... They don't need food for 30 days. Most of the life boats come with a radio. And with that i doubt a lifeboat would be out at sea for 30 days.
Guess what? Before April 14, 1912, they thought that if a ship was sinking, another ship could arrive in plenty time to rescue those in distress, with lifeboats being needed in case multiple trips were required, and a certain incident proved that idea wrong, didn't it? ;)
Just because you doubt something will happen, doesn't mean that it can NEVER happen.
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Now my idea of a famous ship is usually the newest largest cruise ship in the world, which just so happens to be in the royal carribian fleet. So, I think that the new Freedom of the seas, being that current largest and longest cruise ship in the world, is famous. Not saying that it will go down in history for being the current biggest cruise ship, but that it is just well known for being that. By definition, famous is to be having a well known reputation. So, this ship is known for it's size across the globe, therefor making it famous.
The U.S.S. Enterprise is also a very famous ship, having the most sea combat in history.
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Oh, yeah! I saw that on a video, but forgot since it was so long ago! ;D
But you gotta gimme credit on how as soon as Titanic sank, she was famous ;)
She went from being overshadowed by her sister to the most famous ship in all of history literally over night!
Guess what? Before April 14, 1912, they thought that if a ship was sinking, another ship could arrive in plenty time to rescue those in distress, with lifeboats being needed in case multiple trips were required, and a certain incident proved that idea wrong, didn't it? ;)
Just because you doubt something will happen, doesn't mean that it can NEVER happen.
lol.
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Hmmm... Discussing famous ships, why not mention the Great Eastern?
(http://home.netvigator.com/~wbutcher/images/GtEastern1.jpeg)
Now, there's a ship if ever there were.
Anyhow, it would be great with more steamers in SS. Even a small freighter from 1920 or so would be great.