Ship Simulator
English forum => Small talk => Topic started by: Stuart2007 on June 17, 2007, 11:44:17
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It's Sunday. I'm bored and someone is about to overtake me in postings...
So plenty of ship experts here. Which film is worst from a technical point?
My vote Poseidon 2006, reasons why:
-Bow thrusters still running hours after capsize- wheres the power from?
-Bow thrusters both running opposite directions
-Ship turning right way up before sinking
-Radar not good enough to spot the wave coming
-Any reason you want. It's rubbish
See? to avoid any more embaressment to the Titanic 1997 fans, I found a film which was worse. :P
Stu
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Posiden 2006 was the cheesiest movie since the original came out
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Or something even worse....dont flog me for this ok?
Speed 2
Need I say anymore?
Regrads,
Andy
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Or something even worse....dont flog me for this ok?
Speed 2
Good one. I never thought of that as it always struck me as a silly film (yet I find it enjoyable). Are you referring to the way they didn't think of cutting the fuel off or the way that the bow thrusters suddenly stopped working after the freighter collision or the way that they seemed to be flooding operational decks for ballast water... the list could go on.
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The whole film was dire in my opinion, especially after the enjoyable original which actually kept to the title!
Defoe and Bullock had no reason to accept this film, they have done far better in the past, and thankfully since then. The cop bloke was forgetable hence why I cant remember who played him, the script was poor, some of the acting was overacted especially when they ran aground and they were blatently making an OTT effort to shake themselves instead of using a moving set....I could go but its not really worth the effort for a pants film.
Ive never seen the new Posiedon, I enjoyed the original and cant face spoiling it with the modern reimaging.
As for Titanic, well sorry here mate but I actually enjoy it, DiCaprios mis-casting aside.
Regards,
Andy
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Ive never seen the new Posiedon, I enjoyed the original and cant face spoiling it with the modern reimaging.
As for Titanic, well sorry here mate but I actually enjoy it, DiCaprios mis-casting aside.
Regards,
Andy
You can't remake a classic in my opinion, like Assault On Precinct 13.....love the original, don't even want to watch some tacky remake ;)
As for Titanic movie, good on ya ;D
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Personally, I had to go with Speed 2: Snooze Control :P
Hated that film >:(
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Posiden 2006 was crap, the original was alot better, also, Stuart, the reason the radar couldn't detect the wave was, it was a rogue wave, even if it had detected it, there would have been little chance of avoiding serious damage. They would have just turned around (to my memory they did) and tried to 'surf' the wave.
Thanks!
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Posiden 2006 was crap, the original was alot better, also, Stuart, the reason the radar couldn't detect the wave was, it was a rogue wave, even if it had detected it, there would have been little chance of avoiding serious damage. They would have just turned around (to my memory they did) and tried to 'surf' the wave.
Thanks!
Posiden, its not even worth typing about .It was just plain rubbish :D
I tuned in and saw its poor special effects on HBO a few months back. Very very unreal and it wasnt even enjoyable. I have Speed 2 Cruise Control on video, its enjoyable with action and thats about it. a big boat with a head on collision to an oil tanker and a mad man on board just makes good tv
Titanic was actually pretty good in term of the effects with water raging through the halls and spitting through everywhere.
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Speed 2; Did you ever see a ship turning that fast only on its bow truster while going 20knots? ??? :-X
I think Poseidon2006 is a fine movie, it has a lot of action and it is possible!!!
Only the bowtrustersis poseidon aren't realistic. ;)
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Theres loads that is ridiculous in poseidon.
Even down to the way the oil is alight in the upside down atrium... look at an oil slick on water.
Stu
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Isn't it normal that oil(or fuel) can burn on the water?
On my opinnion the latest Poseiden movie is great but the older Poseidon movies are bad.
But the MS. Poseidon is such an ugly ship! :-X
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Yes, but the oil sits ON the water and SPREADS out. In Poseidon it was in a small, rigidly defined area. The bloke jumped into it, swam round it and ballet danced out the other side. Totally ridiculous.
I find that the original Poseidon adventure was more realistic and had better acting.
The ship was the Queen Mary for most of the external shots and many internal. Hardly an ugly ship...
BTW. There is a myth that the Poseidon Adventure was a true story. It wasn't. At all. Never.
PS. Most absurd ship film... BEYOND Poseidon!
Stu
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Yes, but the oil sits ON the water and SPREADS out. In Poseidon it was in a small, rigidly defined area. The bloke jumped into it, swam round it and ballet danced out the other side. Totally ridiculous.
I find that the original Poseidon adventure was more realistic and had better acting.
The ship was the Queen Mary for most of the external shots and many internal. Hardly an ugly ship...
BTW. There is a myth that the Poseidon Adventure was a true story. It wasn't. At all. Never.
PS. Most absurd ship film... BEYOND Poseidon!
Stu
Beyond Poseidon? Do tell.
And I have to say that I do not honestly think Titanic belongs in this selection . . . But that is just me.
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Beyond Poseidon? Do tell.
And I have to say that I do not honestly think Titanic belongs in this selection . . . But that is just me.
Beyond Poseidon was a 'wow weve made money here... how can we make some more.' Basically a salvage crew go to Poseidon to recover the many valuable artefacts onboard (the ship was on is way to the breakers in the first film!)
Unfortunately, a group of mercenaries are trying to recover smuggled nuclear material and it turns into a gun fight mostly. I mean... for heaven sake. Trust me, not worth watching.
(having said that there apprears to be subtantiated rumours that mv estonia was carying high grade weaponry and that is the reason it is encased in concrete and strictly off limits-so maybe not such a far fetched story...)
stu
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MV Estonia, eh? Where is she located?
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MV Estonia, eh? Where is she located?
All I know is she was in the Baltic. Her passengers and crew were aided by Viking Lines lovely MV Mariella, the elder sister of the Pride of Bilbao.
I don't know what route Mariella was on, as that would narrow down the location a bit. I do know the Baltic is fun in winter. Part of the reason for Mariella and POBI (ex Olympia) being so successful is that they were built with very tough visors to allow higher speeds even in rough weather. They are about the fastest in winter over the Baltic.
Stu
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Raise the Titanic, totally oblivious to the facts of Titanic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raise_the_Titanic!
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Raise the Titanic, totally oblivious to the facts of Titanic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raise_the_Titanic!
But at the time of the film being produced, there were few facts to be oblivious to though.
Stu
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But at the time of the film being produced, there were few facts to be oblivious to though.
Stu
Not sure exactly when the film was released, but Titanic wasn't actually discovered until 1st September 1985. That may have been after the release of the movie ;)
Regards.
DJM.
EDIT: Just checked the date....1980, so it was released before they found Titanic ;)
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Not sure exactly when the film was released, but Titanic wasn't actually discovered until 1st September 1985. That may have been after the release of the movie
It was filmed in about 1974-75. There was no certainty that the ship has split in half, but I would concede that it takes a strong sense of poetic licence to raise a ship after submered 60+ years and to lift it up 4 miles.
I've just read the plot in wikipedia (details supplied by sureshot) and I think this wins the award for stupidity. Far fetched. Ridiculous. I've ammended the poll to allow this vote.
Stu
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HA HA HA! I agree.
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poor poseidon i love that movie :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( but i vote in SOS titanic (1997) because of the ORING romantic parts ;)
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Yes, I'd go along with Titanic (97) but SOS Titanic is a much older film. Limited special effects, but more convincing acting.....z....z.z.z.z.z..z.zzzz...
Sorry, I dozed off there... Titanic was on in the background ;)
Posiedon is OK, provided you don't look at it too seriously.
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I've never seen Poseidon 2006, i guess im affraid ;) I voted for Speed 2. Horrible, just horrible....
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Lol, you qouted too fast DJM :D For some reason i decided to delete my post and repost it, because i don't like the line changed by Ballast blablabla
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Hehe, I was like "??? what happened ??? where am I ???" :D
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Well, now is the time again to boost my ego by saying i have a great movie taste ;)
Say it DJM, just say it ;D
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You have GREAT taste in movies ;D
Ego sufficiently boosted yet? :D
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Oh thank you, that's very kind of you. I feel much better now 8)
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I have yet to see ANY film about a ship which is not incorrect in some way. However "Das Boot" by Wolfgang Peterson is probably about the most accurate film about the sea in war time or even "The Cruel Sea". Both of these have a great deal of truth involved.
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......unlike U-571.......totally inaccurate I reckon ::)
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I agree..I only have 2 DVD's: one is "das Boot",one of the best ship-films in my taste..
the other is Star Trek "Nemesis"..(which I got on your advice DJM ;D )
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I have yet to see ANY film about a ship which is not incorrect in some way. However "Das Boot" by Wolfgang Peterson is probably about the most accurate film about the sea in war time or even "The Cruel Sea". Both of these have a great deal of truth involved.
The cruel sea is the epitome of naval warfare films. Horrific story lines, fantastic acting... Remember that some of thos involved in Cruel Sea (film) had real naval experience. Mr Monserat was a Corvette commander and wrote the book loosely based on his experiences.
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The cruel sea is the epitome of naval warfare films.
You are so right, what a great film, I see that the most famous scene from the movie is up on youTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OMcV3qgI08)
A great companion piece to the Cruel Sea (http://www.britmovie.co.uk/studios/ealing/filmography/72.html) has just been released on DVD for the first time in the UK the lesser known film "San Demetrio, London".
The film charts the story of a crippled world war II oil tanker's crew trying to get there ship home after an attack on the Convoy HX84 by the "Admiral Scheer" famously known as the "Jervis Bay" incident
If you liked "The Cruel Sea" and " In Which We Serve" this lesser known film is a perfect companion piece and is no less a classic than it's better known counterparts. Britmovie.co.uk (http://www.britmovie.co.uk/studios/ealing/filmography/30.html) has some information on the production of the film.
Sea a great painting of "Jervis Bay" (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.maritimequest.com/daily_event_archive/2005/nov/05_hms_jervis_bay.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.maritimequest.com/daily_event_archive/2005/nov/05_hms_jervis_bay.htm&h=401&w=744&sz=65&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=onjB9oOeGmH7cM:&tbnh=76&tbnw=141&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djervis%2Bbay%2Bhms%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den) and read about the story's connection to the real U96 (of Das Boot fame) at Maritime Quest
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I got interested in WW2 battle of the atlantic by following a wikipedia link.
Jervis Bay, for all those who don't know, was an armed merchant cruiser. Basically a civilian ship, with a pea shooter on the bow.
Their job was primarily a lookout/ morale thing- no one ever expected them to seriously engage the enemy. However, the enemy did not reckon on Captain Edward Fegen, who engaged the German Battleship, Admiral Scheer (as sonarman says above).
Although the German ship easily sank Jervis Bay- Capt Fegen and his crew- in their sacrifice of their lives- allowed the convoy enough time to scatter and run.
How sad that 60+ years on, we have HMS Cornwall in the same service. :-[
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Talking of films such as "Das Boot", "San Demetrio, London" and "The Cruel Sea" I should perhaps point out that the story of San Demetrio is true, she belonged to the Eagle Oil company and as all British merchant ships were at the time, was operated by the company for the British Ministry of War Transport.
The following excerpt which I take from a recollection of my own father which I wrote some time ago, may be of interest in this field. I quote:- " I would only be six years old at the time Pa was Mate on the "Magician" so this is from what I have learned later. "Magician" sailed from Halifax, Nova Scotia, as Commodore ship of Convoy SC26 homeward bound for the U.K.. The convoy was attacked by a U-boat wolf pack in mid Atlantic about 307 miles south west of Iceland, when beyond reach of any escort vessels other than an armed Merchant Cruiser H.M.S. "Worcestershire". Of the original 22 ships in the convoy only 11 survived the attack and on dispersal in the North Channel "Magician" and (I think) three other ships made it safely to Liverpool on 9th April, 1941. The ships were visited by King George the Sixth, who came on board each ship to personally thank the Officers and crews for their efforts on behalf of the Country and Their Government."
In those days a huge proportion of the male population of Liverpool were involved in some way with merchant shipping. My own family being a part of that group of men.
Angus.
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I accidently voted for Titanic 1997 but i think The Poseidon Adventure is the most absurde bucause there is no way an upside down ship could stay afloat for that long, there are probably countless numbers of windows open, and doors leading onto the promenade and the numerous balconys, ventilation shafts, the funnel. Its a ridiculous film! i still enjoy it though ;)
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If the poll was still open. then i wanna vote Poseidon 2006 ;D
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Firstly, Paddy, you forget that the air trapped in the hull would form what amounts to a floatation device which would help to keep bouyancy for a bit.
Hi Angus. Some of the stories you read about the WW2 battle of the atlantic are really incredible. At least RN sailors had some armour/ weapons to help them stay alive. Merchant sailors- they were a different breed really. If you think what they achieved... and many of them DIDN'T achieve...
A (ex) neighbour was a sailor on Destroyer on russian convoys... when he could be persuaded to talk, his stories were of a breed of people which are sadly gone forever. I doubt the people of today would be quite so heroic... Actually, I change that. Not 'heroic' but 'ordinary'. Ordinary people doing heroic things.
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i can't belive no one voted for Raise the Titanic. everything but the ship is fiction. and New York is real ::)
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Whilst it was technically extremely unlikely at the time of the film, do remember that Titanic was not even re-discovered at that time (1984 I believe).
Therefore it may well have been in one piece for all they knew. Also it was above the grand banks that it sank and the water is only about 15-60 fathoms deep.
Therefore it wouldn't have been impossible to raise it... Flaming unlikely, but possible. (If you ignore that 72 years of barnacles, rust etc means it probably would have broken up when being raised).
But your point is noted, and I don't think you are wrong to be surprised.
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Personally, I had to go with Speed 2: Snooze Control :P
Hated that film >:(
snooze control lol :D
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snooze control lol :D
I think you've just broken a record - the oldest topic that has been dragged up from the dead... This topic is OVER 4 YEARS OLD!
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And the post in the quote is 5 years, so even 2 records.... ::)
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I think you've just broken a record - the oldest topic that has been dragged up from the dead... This topic is OVER 4 YEARS OLD!
challenge accepted! I bet i can bring back an even older thread! :doh:
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challenge accepted! I bet i can bring back an even older thread! :doh:
I'm sure none of us can wait....
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I thought I was bad at doing it :doh:
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TOPIC:A CENTURY LATER
Didn't this show showed up in National Geographic? :lol:
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I thought I was bad at doing it :doh:
So did I....
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definitely the Speed 2......... the action aspect is well holywoodish but anything thats happening in that film is way beyond any sailors goodnight story.. the film so rubbish its not even funny
Jet Carhorn
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Hollywood has a predictable habit of using ships for exciting plots.
however too much explosions actualy killed poeseidon for me.
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Have to agree, all the explosions was a bit dramatic. I have to admit, it was a pretty good movie though! ;D But in some scenes the acting was a bit over-the-top. And the scene where they have to swim through the hallway was crazy, in real life you could not hold your breath for that long! :doh:
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If you ask me,I'd say Poseidon 2006 is absurd.Why? look at these errors in the Movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXzl1uKXxmI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXzl1uKXxmI)-Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIKe5WoUO0k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIKe5WoUO0k)-Part 2
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Funny review, although I have no idea how I got from there to "Eminem goes back to high school". :doh:
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TBH, I liked the 2006 Poseidon more than the mini-series Poseidon... ::)
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Just a big ol' CG ship they decided to tip over and make people run around in.
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i've never watched poseidon from 2006...... dunno if it's a good or bad thing to say in public
Jet Carhorn
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definitely the Speed 2......... the action aspect is well holywoodish but anything thats happening in that film is way beyond any sailors goodnight story.. the film so rubbish its not even funny
Jet Carhorn
Oh yes- you could write a book on all the technical inaccuracies on that daft film... Flooding laundary decks (accessible by young kids), bow thrusters that work at high speed (and turn themselves off again when the cameras move away), engine decks that are inaccessible, engines with no manual fuel shut off, and the best one of all- where the ship is decelerating so quickly that it throws people to the floor, despite taking several minutes to drop about 10kts.
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SPEED 2 is so BAD
(http://www.peekarica.com/steampedia/images/thumb/4/41/Speed_2_worst_film_yet.png/800px-Speed_2_worst_film_yet.png)
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Yes, but it's so bad it's actually good in a strange sort of way...
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Yes, but it's so bad it's actually good in a strange sort of way...
Agree its one of those films you hate but can watch :doh:
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The Triangle (2001) a rather thrilling film but has unbearably hilarious ending when the burning big 3-stacker liner RMS Queen of Scots suddenly begins to chase the survivors... anyone watched it?
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The Triangle (2001) a rather thrilling film but has unbearably hilarious ending when the burning big 3-stacker liner RMS Queen of Scots suddenly begins to chase the survivors... anyone watched it?
nope, is it worth watching ? :doh:
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I watched it only once.... if you ignore a 'scale model' ship acting like a race car in the end --its a fine film of its kind
Captain Jack
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i know its not in the list but the film "battle tanker" was quite absurd. diddnt stop it being an ok film though