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Title: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: CLAYTON1 on March 08, 2012, 05:08:34: Will TITANIC be making a come back?

- Cpt. Clayton :captain:
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Rbsanford on March 08, 2012, 05:30:02: hopefully soon...

last week vstep said that they're working on a secret, an that next week (now this week) they would have a meeting on it.

i'm gessing it has to do with the environments, but after all, its a secret, so it could be Titanic, or DVOmarinedesign's Sacha, or anything else. ;D
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: mvsmith on March 08, 2012, 06:31:18: Ever since Extremes was released, there have been many posts asking that questionâ€”and there have been many posts explaining why there is very little chance that Titanic will ever be in Extremes.

The amount of work necessary to make a new Titanic that will function in SSE, have sufficient detail to satisfy the many rivet-counters, and not reduce the FPS below an acceptable level cannot be justified by the limited sales that could never come close to recovering the very high devlopment cost.

No, it is not possible to adapt the SS2008 version.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: leaive on March 08, 2012, 15:23:57: I don't understand that almost everybody wants Titanic in Ship Simulator Extremes.

Is the ship so important to everybody here?

leaive
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: wiqvist on March 08, 2012, 15:33:03: Quote from: Rbsanford on March 08, 2012, 05:30:02
last week vstep said that they're working on a secret, an that next week (now this week) they would have a meeting on it.

That is not right, you must have missunderstood things there. If you go back and read the CCC-thread so will you see that Swensson have said that they are going to have a meeting about the enviroments in the CCC. Then further down in a new post he is saying that they are working on something big but that is a secret so far. This two posts have nothing to do with each other. It is you who have added two different posts and come up with something which is not right.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: CLAYTON1 on March 08, 2012, 15:41:40: Well that didnt help much and your "secret" post have something to do with the CCC Scenery Winners don't they.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: wiqvist on March 08, 2012, 15:50:38: Quote from: CLAYTON1 on March 08, 2012, 15:41:40
Well that didnt help much and your "secret" post have something to do with the CCC Scenery Winners don't they.

No, it has not, at least is nothing said about that.

The only thing which is said from Swensson is that there is something big coming up. That is what is said. Everything else is added by members here. So it has nothing to do with the meeting, and the meeting has noting to do with the secret. It is said that the meeting should be about the enviroments, and the secret is something different, and no one know what it is more that just a 'secret', it can be an enviroment but it can also be what ever.

And personally I have no hope for Titanic or any wish about having that ship in the game either. Maybe she is coming back but as Mvsmith says, it will probably not happen.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: mvsmith on March 08, 2012, 16:09:53: If Titanic would be your sole reason for buying Extremes, you would be wasting your money.
Even if she were somehow kluged into Extremes, it is very doubtful that her fans would find her as satisfactory as she is in SS2008â€”a program that is still quite viable and quite inexpensive.
The Mission Editor in â€™08 is much easier to use than the one in SSE, and good missions for Titanic could be created, if anyone felt that was worth doing.

Wyqvist and I agree on something. That is scary.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: wiqvist on March 08, 2012, 16:58:07: Quote from: mvsmith on March 08, 2012, 16:09:53
Wyqvist and I agree on something. That is scary.

Hehe, yes, we just have to be aware of it so it do not become a bad habit, hehe. And if it happens three times it can become a tradition, but so far I hope we never need to go, hehe.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Sunseekeringo on March 08, 2012, 17:18:08: Probably it is the Titanic because it would definetely make sense...then I would release it on 2nd April, 2012 or even 15th April, 2012...

cheers
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: The Ferry Man on March 08, 2012, 18:38:38: Quote from: mvsmith on March 08, 2012, 06:31:18
Ever since Extremes was released, there have been many posts asking that questionâ€”and there have been many posts explaining why there is very little chance that Titanic will ever be in Extremes.

Has there actually been a official post from Swenson/Frank though regarding Titanic?

Doesn;t bother me myself, if she is in SS its another ship if not, oh well, but I don't recall a official announcement?
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Rbsanford on March 08, 2012, 19:47:24: i remember a video of a pre-release interview of SSE with Frank. one question was whether Titanic is in the game or not. Frank said that it wasn't at the moment, but it would be soon.

so did frank abort the Titanic? :-\
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: mvsmith on March 08, 2012, 20:12:01: â€œOfficialâ€ guesses were made concerning Titanic a long time agoâ€”around the time of release of Extremesâ€”before the enormity of the performance problems were realized.

Subsequently, it has become apparent that, with the current state of Extremes, there is no chance in Hell of getting the SS008 version of Titanic to work in Extremes without reducing the detail substantially to the point where it would be unacceptable to the fans. There is certainly no way to include Jasonâ€™s enhancements or any additional interior detail.
Therefore the cost and drain on virtually non-existent resources cannot be justified.

Perhaps, if the Ship Simulator game continues to be developed, a later version will be able to handle the added strain of an acceptable Titanic, but that is beyond the horizon of my crystal ball.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: The Ferry Man on March 08, 2012, 21:18:48: Quote from: mvsmith on March 08, 2012, 20:12:01
Perhaps, if the Ship Simulator game continues to be developed, a later version will be able to handle the added strain of an acceptable Titanic, but that is beyond the horizon of my crystal ball.

if the Ship Simulator game continues to be developed...

IF it continues to be developed... that sounds... ominous...
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Alexisth1 on March 08, 2012, 23:04:04: i just want to see her again because in my opinion she was the most important ship in ss06 , the flagship of the game , but then in 2008 she get a little bit forgottern , even the red funnel ship , which have no missions in ss08 returned to sse
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: CLAYTON1 on March 09, 2012, 05:17:48: Why not just re-make TITANIC completely People have creates Titanics in under a month just find someone to build it full time.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Rbsanford on March 09, 2012, 05:39:30: exactly. i'm sure that theres some free time at vstep to build a low-poly Titanic that the masses will love. ;D
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: mvsmith on March 09, 2012, 05:43:26: Iâ€™ll let one of the DLC winners explain that to youâ€”although it has been explained many times on this forum. As I said in an earlier post, they already have an enhanced version of Jasonâ€™s model from â€™08, but it has too high a poly count. Reducing the detail would bring so many howls of complaint from the fans that it would not be worthwhile. The model is only half of the job. VSTEP developers have to integrate it into the game, provide controls, and make dynamics that will allow her to behave realistically in the sea model. This involves as much time as making the model.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: RMS Gigantic on March 09, 2012, 08:22:59: Quote from: mvsmith on March 09, 2012, 05:43:26
As I said in an earlier post, they already have an enhanced version of Jasonâ€™s model from â€™08, but it has too high a poly count.
I guess some news WAS given in the year's time I've been largely absent form this game.

I'll simply throw an idea out into the open, although I do understand that the work load involved would be enormous, and would be too tailored to a single ship to be practical. I know that plenty of games give players options to lower models' LOD if objects are too detailed for users' computers. A crack pot idea could be to give the ship some four models or so, including the distance one, and offer a "high, medium, low" choice in the graphics options.

The other equally crazy but faster idea is to give the high-poly model its sea functions, and then practically toss it into the game, only making it playable on multiplayer servers that include Titanic, the way add-on vessels are done in MP. If players complain about their game running slowly when Titanic is about, reply with "You're the one who wanted her." (Even more effective as a response if Titanic is put on the site as DLC for a price)

Again, I would like to emphasize that these are insane musings of mine... though I gained a new gaming laptop a few months ago and would love to return to Ship Simulator Extremes using Titanic and see if it can be taken to its limits with an "Extreme" Titanic model.

(It just wouldn't be a Titanic topic unless I gave feedback, now would it?)
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Alexisth1 on March 09, 2012, 22:42:08: it would be awsome to have a olympic class super pack with:
RMS OLYMPIC (Post war design)
RMS Titanic
HMSH Britannic
SS Nomadic
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: VirtualSkipper on March 09, 2012, 23:22:18: Quote from: Alexisth1 on March 09, 2012, 22:42:08
it would be awsome to have a olympic class super pack with:
RMS OLYMPIC (Post war design)
RMS Titanic
HMSH Britannic
SS Nomadic

SS Nomadic wasn't an Olympic-Class ship, but I know what you mean.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: mvsmith on March 11, 2012, 03:03:27: Quote from: RMS Gigantic on March 09, 2012, 08:22:59
The other equally crazy but faster idea is to give the high-poly model its sea functions, and then practically toss it into the game, only making it playable on multiplayer servers that include Titanic, the way add-on vessels are done in MP. If players complain about their game running slowly when Titanic is about, reply with "You're the one who wanted her." (Even more effective as a response if Titanic is put on the site as DLC for a price)

I like that idea best: Give them a high-quality Titanic that they canâ€™t use unless they getâ€”and properly maintainâ€”a computer that can handle it.

The trouble with that, and all other things that have been suggested, is that the developers do not have the time or resources unless they do it instead of update 1.6, THE SECRETâ€, and any more DLC.

You might start a topicâ€”not a meaningless anonymous pollâ€”where users can say that they would rather have Titanic than those other items. And where other users can say what they think of that other group.

If users really want an Extremes that has been purged of the bugs they have been complaining about, they had better start sitting upon those who keep insisting upon relatively useless additions that can only postpone that happy day.
They should also stop supporting, silently or actively, those posters who, by their comments, do nothing constructiveâ€”and, indeed, provide reasons for investors to question whether the game is worth dumping more resources into.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: RMS Gigantic on March 11, 2012, 07:38:52: Quote from: mvsmith on March 11, 2012, 03:03:27
If users really want an Extremes that has been purged of the bugs they have been complaining about, they had better start sitting upon those who keep insisting upon relatively useless additions that can only postpone that happy day.
Ship Simulator 2008 never reached that "happy day", even after two years after Titanic was already included. The fact that, as you said, this game is pretty much only worked on on as a small side project at VSTEP, also suggests that SSE will remain forever imperfect regardless of whether or not work is done to implement Titanic.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: mvsmith on March 11, 2012, 12:10:02: Quote from: RMS Gigantic on March 11, 2012, 07:38:52
...The fact that, as you said, this game is pretty much only worked on on as a small side project at VSTEP, also suggests that SSE will remain forever imperfect regardless of whether or not work is done to implement Titanic.

That is certainly true. The question is: How imperfect, and for how long?
Should an imperfect Titanic take priority over any other additional content and a 1.6 update that would attempt to correct some of the serious things that are wrong with Extremes?
Perhaps it is time for all users to express their answers to that question, if they really want Ship Simulator to be developed further.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Traddles on March 11, 2012, 12:51:23: As has already been pointed out, "Titanic" was, apart from something pretty to look at, not used to any great extent in missions when she was part of SS 2008. If one checks back it can be seen that the few missions which were built for her were actually completed by very few players, so surely it would be of more value to most players to have update no.6. as a better option? I do stress the word MOST as it is patently obvious that a few vociferous members wish to try to force their views down the throats of the majority. "Titanic" was actually a very nice ship to sail in the game, but even that did not make her attractions to be as popular as some would like us to believe. :doh:
Speaking on a very personal basis I can see no positive reason for her to re-appear in SSE. As has been mentioned frequently before, she is there, in all her glory, in SS 2008. That being the case, then those who enjoy LOOKING at her are still able to do so. ::)
The more serious players of SSE, of which there seem to be remarkably few, would really like to see the game achieve its full potential by having the problems of the AI traffic and a number of other things addressed and fixed above all else. Patience is a virtue, at least that was what I was told as a child. Also, another one which used to be thrown at me was:- "All good things come to he who waits." :P You never know what is round the next corner. :evil:
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: ci on March 11, 2012, 13:20:32: Here is my view on this

I would rather see the game developed further and have additional content and a 1.6 update then have another ship (Titanic :evil:) which would eat up more fraps

ps. Keep up the good work all of the volunteers CMM/Moderators :thumbs:
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: RMS Gigantic on March 12, 2012, 01:31:09: So was no work done on Extremes while the CCC team was implementing the winning ships?
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Rbsanford on March 12, 2012, 02:27:55: Quote from: RMS Gigantic on March 12, 2012, 01:31:09
So was no work done on Extremes while the CCC team was implementing the winning ships?

uh... i guess so...

it was late august that 1.4 came out and 1.5 was out right before oceanas launch so, yes, little work was done on extremes, most was focused on ccc ships.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Mad_Fred on March 12, 2012, 05:19:13: One thing (creating new content) does not exclude another (working on 'the rest'), and guessing only leads to speculation anyway, which leads to unnecessary, and unjust criticism, based on pure assumptions. If you don't know what's actually going on.. why then post like you do? ;)

The whole 1.5 patch release was 'work on SSE' and that was being developed right alongside the CCC dlc's.
So how can you say 'little work was done on extremes' if they indeed worked on that patch FOR extremes all the while? ;)
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: danny on March 12, 2012, 15:10:49: I really fail to understand why people would want the titanic in SSE, especially considering theres now a scenery full to the brim with icebergs. Sure, it looked OK, but it didn't really add anything interesting to SS08 apart from the opertunity to sail from the UK to america, and we can't even do that anymore :doh:
wiqvist, I'd imagine Vstep do have a team of guys and Spambot who are dedicated to SSE, if they didn't the workflow would be absolutly abismal.
-fred, can you please check your PM box? I sent you a PM in reply to you chasing up where my support request has got to, thanks!
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Alexisth1 on March 12, 2012, 23:29:27: Quote from: danny on March 12, 2012, 15:10:49
I really fail to understand why people would want the titanic in SSE, especially considering theres now a scenery full to the brim with icebergs. Sure, it looked OK, but it didn't really add anything interesting to SS08 apart from the opertunity to sail from the UK to america, and we can't even do that anymore :doh:
wiqvist, I'd imagine Vstep do have a team of guys and Spambot who are dedicated to SSE, if they didn't the workflow would be absolutly abismal.
-fred, can you please check your PM box? I sent you a PM in reply to you chasing up where my support request has got to, thanks!

Sinking her in a more realistic way n the antartic :P :evil:
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Mad_Fred on March 13, 2012, 14:39:51: Quote from: danny on March 12, 2012, 15:10:49
-fred, can you please check your PM box? I sent you a PM in reply to you chasing up where my support request has got to, thanks!

Did so and replied, mate!
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: RMS Gigantic on April 06, 2012, 14:46:12: A new thought on the matter of including a high-poly Titanic model just popped into my head: I'm certain that there's always a possibility of placing a notice near the top of the hypothetical Titanic download page saying to pay attention to new suggested system specifications, and posting them at the bottom of the page.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Mad_Fred on April 06, 2012, 15:44:32: Yes of course they can probably manage to put some text on their website.. but when is the last time that you have you ever seen software/game companies sell a product with a notice that says; 'This will not really work with your game unless you like to play a game at 2 frames per second' ??

;) ::)

Seriously though.. I'll let you do the math.. Titanic was already pretty much too heavy for SS08 back in those days to start with. An updated, high-poly and much more detailed version of her, would cripple SS08 itself even. And that game had more 'power' to spare for her, than SSE has now. So how big do you think the chances are of having a high-poly, super detailed, and thus a vastly 'heavier' ship, in a game that has less power to spare to actually run it well enough so that a large enough group of players can use it, in the first place?

And that's not even going into a lot of the other factors that come into play when it comes down to Titanic's return or demise. Trust me, letting people know that it will run very poorly on their machines, is not really the biggest thing that's keeping it from being introduced into the game. :P
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: The Ferry Man on April 06, 2012, 15:50:47: Quote from: Mad_Fred on April 06, 2012, 15:44:32
And that's not even going into a lot of the other factors that come into play when it comes down to Titanic's return or demise. Trust me, letting people know that it will run very poorly on their machines, is not really the biggest thing that's keeping it from being introduced into the game. :P

Intriguing...

Surely someone isn't saying they can't use Titanic because it will be bad for the company... :doh:
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: rjwhyte09 on April 06, 2012, 16:08:20: Well the reason I bought the game because I was told Titanic will be in the game from Ship Sim officially, I search Game (in store) they said ``yeah titanic is in it but we don`t sell SSE go to`` so I went to Gamestation and I bought the game and I had so much trouble with the game at the start so was everybody right enough however Then I found out Titanic is not in the game. :o

I believe there is half people want Titanic and half that don`t, VSTP will not release her now because they would of let some information out as its Titanic 100th days away.

I am no given SSE a bad name but I give it 6/10 because it was not ready when it released so many things where wrong with game there was glitches ,not starting, multiplayer was screwed , however 2 years on its picked for my liking and I am starting to be active with it more.

(http://www.titanic-in-color.com/colores/titanic/exteriours/faff998308_full.jpg)

PS : for people who don`t like titanic or the topic and reply in it 9Just Stop) I am a Admin on number of forums arguments do happen on stuff like this believe me the result are few being given warnings or even worst.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Mad_Fred on April 06, 2012, 17:20:49: Quote from: The Ferry Man on April 06, 2012, 15:50:47
Intriguing...

Surely someone isn't saying they can't use Titanic because it will be bad for the company... :doh:

Err, no I don't think you interpreted that the right way to be honest.

But, it always might be bad for a company to persue things that would not be economically feasible or technologically achievable... who knows.. :P
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Mad_Fred on April 06, 2012, 17:29:55: Quote from: rjwhyte09 on April 06, 2012, 16:08:20
Well the reason I bought the game because I was told Titanic will be in the game from Ship Sim officially, I search Game (in store) they said ``yeah titanic is in it but we don`t sell SSE go to

Then they are idiots there, because how can they even tell you something like that about a product they don't even sell? And if they did sell it but just ran out, then they still didn't know enough about the product to give you that adivice. And one glance at the Shipsim website, and perhaps the actual box, would have made it clear she was not in it. So that's hardly Vstep's fault, is it? Nor is is 'official'. ;)
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: The Ferry Man on April 06, 2012, 17:38:46: Quote from: Mad_Fred on April 06, 2012, 17:20:49
Err, no I don't think you interpreted that the right way to be honest.

But, it always might be bad for a company to persue things that would not be economically feasible or technologically achievable... who knows.. :P

I assumed that from what you said that there is a bigger reason then it not working on some machines...

"Trust me, letting people know that it will run very poorly on their machines, is not really the biggest thing that's keeping it from being introduced into the game."

The second bit was more of a joke based on the usual reason why boats aren't allowed in games (the companies not wanting them in)

Agree though something that wouldn't run on a lot of computers won't make economical sense, but then again the same could be said for SSE as a whole - its taken a long time and a lot of patches just to get it to run fairly reasonable...

Then combine everything with the video where Frank said that the Titanic Would be in game (yes I know, things change during production ;) ) Does possibly imply another reason for not keeping her in - especially as this is the 100th anniversary, this year EVERYTHING is Titanic, you even have the two offers to get older versions of the game for free just to be able to play as the Titanic

Just my opinion :)
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Mad_Fred on April 06, 2012, 18:24:37: Oh yeah what I meant was that RMSG's idea of solving the problem of Titanic being too 'heavy' for this game, was to just let people know about that fact before they buy something they can't really use... and that is a bit silly. If it were as simple as just 'putting the word out', then there would theorethically be nothing preventing it from already having been added to the game long ago, would there? :P

As for the video of Frank.. yeah that's just been obsolete for a while now.. that was when things looked totally different and when things were in the planning stages.

I can find plenty of clips on youtube and such from game conventions where developers talk about plans, that never get to see the light.. that's just how it indeed goes sometimes.. what they would like to do, is not always what is possible or feasible. :)

But hey, as you say, the centennial will not pass unnoticed, hence the great offers on the website (http://www.shipsim.com/products/titanic) now. :thumbs:
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: FML on April 06, 2012, 19:13:34: Yeah... The fact that the RMS Titanic would ever be in SSE is dangerously low... I don't know what I was thinking when I paid $55 for the game itself when I paid $21 for SS08 and it DID have Titanic in it, so to me, it was worth it, despite the poor environment changes in that. When I got the game itself, BOY, did it lag like nuts on my laptop, so I had to disinstall the game. (Thanks for that; had to uninstall a $55 game that even I deemed unworthly :P) I thought that I could record some SSE videos and place them on YouTube. BOY, I was wrong about that, also. Ship Simulator Mods., for everyone's sake, why don't you put "TITANIC IS NOT IN THIS GAME" on your official Ship Simulator Extremes page, so that everyone don't have to pay $55 to be disappointed that the RMS Titanic is NOT in SSE? You don't say much about the ships that are in the game in the first place, so why not? ::)

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But hey, as you say, the centennial will not pass unnoticed, hence the great offers on the website (http://www.shipsim.com/products/titanic) now. :thumbs:

The Titanic's centennial would be fine if RMS Titanic would have made a surprise appearance in a Ship Simulator Extremes teaser :P But, as far as I know, the offers that I looked at isn't great without the Titanic... so much for VSTEP's celebration of the 100th Anniversary of the RMS Titanic.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Mad_Fred on April 06, 2012, 19:23:22: Sorry but 1/4 of the money does NOT come from Titanic lovers. That's nonesense. :P

And why would there have to be a notice the website about what is not in it?
Does Ford advertise with 'Our brand-new 2012 sedan does NOT have 12 wheels!!' or something... ??

There is plenty more that a lot of fans want to see in the game, and certain other beloved SS06 and SS08 vessels that have gone too. Should they also tell everyone about those in bold print? ..sorry but it's really silly and unrealistic to blame them for your lack of information gathering before entering into a purchase.

The old saying goes 'let the buyer beware'

If you did not inform yourself before you bought the game, and are dissapointed afterwards for not having noticed that the thing you were looking for isn't even in it, then you have only one person to blame, really. And that is yourself. Titanic has never officially been announced or advertized as being in the game. This contrary to the other two games.

If they HAD advertised with the fact that it IS in it, and if THEN you found out is wasn't so, then you have a right to point a finger.

As for the rest. Doesn't lag for me, recording videos is fine, all runs like it should. BOY am I lucky! ::)
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: rjwhyte09 on April 06, 2012, 19:53:34: Quote
Sorry but 1/4 of the money does NOT come from Titanic lovers. That's nonesense. :P

If I got told Titanic was not SSE then I would never of bought the game in the first place thanks to Customer Service at Ship Sim telling is in July 2010, also I think there would be loads of people who would never of bought the game if they wanted Titanic and knew it was not in the game.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: assassinator2.0 on April 06, 2012, 20:58:46: Quote from: leaive on March 08, 2012, 15:23:57
I don't understand that almost everybody wants Titanic in Ship Simulator Extremes.

Is the ship so important to everybody here?

leaive

Well its important to me, it got me interested in ships.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Mad_Fred on April 06, 2012, 21:04:20: Quote from: rjwhyte09 on April 06, 2012, 19:53:34
If I got told Titanic was not SSE then I would never of bought the game in the first place thanks to Customer Service at Ship Sim telling is in July 2010, also I think there would be loads of people who would never of bought the game if they wanted Titanic and knew it was not in the game.

What are you on about? The game was announced and released WITHOUT Titanic and it was clear a long time before official release that it would not appear in it then, and you could have known about this... Customer Service told you it was in the retail version? I find that rather hard to believe, they know their own game..
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: rjwhyte09 on April 06, 2012, 21:10:16: Quote from: Mad_Fred on April 06, 2012, 21:04:20

What are you on about? The game was announced and released WITHOUT Titanic and it was clear a long time before official release that it would not appear in it then, and you could have known about this... Customer Service told you it was in the retail version? I find that rather hard to believe, they know their own game..

I went on the Ship Sim website and ask them if she will be on the game, they replied and said oh yes she will be in SSE i will try and find the email and give you it.

not sure if it was Customer Service or another subject as there is few it was 2 years ago
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: danny on April 06, 2012, 21:28:01: My biggest gripe with the Titanic offers is that they only really have any benifit if you don't have any of the shipsimulator series... Which basically means the offers are useless to most of the people on this forum.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: rjwhyte09 on April 06, 2012, 21:31:02: Quote from: danny on April 06, 2012, 21:28:01
My biggest gripe with the Titanic offers are that they only really have any benifit if you don't have any of the shipsimulator series... Which basically means the offers are useless to most of the people on this forum.

Agreed
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Mad_Fred on April 06, 2012, 21:47:59: Quote from: danny on April 06, 2012, 21:28:01
My biggest gripe with the Titanic offers is that they only really have any benifit if you don't have any of the shipsimulator series... Which basically means the offers are useless to most of the people on this forum.

Well yes, if you already have all that, it's not really gonna help, but that's logical.

Oh well, makes for a nice gift to a grieving titanic lover to get him through this oh so difficult time, perhaps.. :doh:
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: rjwhyte09 on April 06, 2012, 23:41:48: Quote
Oh well, makes for a nice gift to a grieving titanic lover to get him through this oh so difficult time, perhaps.. :doh:

Who was this for ? ???
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: rjwhyte09 on April 06, 2012, 23:50:21: Look there is people who like or hate Titanic & People who want her in the SSE or don`t

> The Email That Proves She Was In The Game 3 or 2 Months Before Release or Did The Person Make A Mistake :evil: :doh:

(http://oi44.tinypic.com/f5cewo.jpg)
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Mad_Fred on April 07, 2012, 01:57:42: Of course she was in the game before release..

but in those months after that, till release, a lot changed..

And you were still responsible to look at the actual release yourself to see if it had made it, I reckon..

You can never know what happens during development. This is the same kind time that that screenshot was out there, and Frank's interview, I bet.

As we all know, that soon became obsolete.

If it had been me, I would not even have answered such an email, because back then, that was more of a plan than a guarantee. But hey, that's just me.

* correction, I would have answered your email, but not with a confirmation about an feature that wasn't yet certain
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Traddles on April 07, 2012, 11:41:18: That Email is dated 8th June, 2010. All it shows, as Fred has pointed out, is that at that time it was INTENDED to have "Titanic" in the game. As development progressed it was found that it was not feasible to include her for the reasons which have been told many, many times. I fail to see what all the fuss is about really, if anyone wishes to play with "Titanic", she is there, in all her glory, in SS2006 & SS2008. If there are any SSE players who do NOT have either of those games then Stevens' announcement yesterday solves the problem for them at a remarkably low price. :thumbs: Suprisingly, the number of players who have actually played any of the few missions which included "Titanic" is very, very small indeed. :doh:
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: RMS Gigantic on April 08, 2012, 09:12:34: Even Maxis, a subsidary of EA (EA now considered to be the "Worst Company in America" according to Consumerist) tells people if something included in previous games won't be available in a new game, before the game goes on sale :doh:

(Specifically, they had interviews that stated that the new SimCity would be moddable, considering that modding kept SimCity 4 alive for a decade after release. Later, they stated that modding support wouldn't make it to the new Sim City's launch.)

And Fred, your 12-wheel Ford sedan comparison doesn't really hold water, considering that Ford didn't give twelve wheels to every one of its sedans since they began producing them!

On another note, I was similarly disappointed when I found out that there was nothing Ship Sim-related that I could do to mark the centennial of Titanic's voyage.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: trains on April 09, 2012, 00:34:50: At this point, the only way I could imagine Titanic returning is for the 100th Anniversary of her sinking. But, seeing as nothing has come up, it might just be a good idea to let it all go to rest, and play SS06 or SS08 if anyone wants Titanic. Ship Simulator Extremes, as stated many times before, is geared towards more modern motorized vessels. Would I have loved to see Titanic make a return, compeletly overhauled for the game? Yes, I would have. Am I disaappointed she's not there? Yes, but I can understand based on all the other vessels in the game. Maybe in a future edition of the game, she could return. Or maybe there could be a steamship version of the game somewhere in the future. But as of now, since no news of her return has surfaced anywhere, it's not worth making multiple topics on the subject.

That is of course my view on it, and people are open to their own opinions. I don't expect everyone to agree with what I've said, nor do I expect everyone to disagree. I'm just stating what I think is best, and small ideas of mine. But again, everyone is free to their own opinion.

Regards,
Scott
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Alexisth1 on April 09, 2012, 01:32:43: im still dreaming with the titanic superpack that will never be released into ship sim extremes :(
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: VirtualSkipper on April 09, 2012, 01:56:04: Quote from: Alexisth1 on April 09, 2012, 01:32:43
im still dreaming with the titanic superpack that will never be released into ship sim extremes :(

I know a cure for that, by burying the movie and never think of it again. ::)
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Rbsanford on April 09, 2012, 03:33:16: how will burying the movie help? :doh:
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: VirtualSkipper on April 09, 2012, 12:33:41: Quote from: Rbsanford on April 09, 2012, 03:33:16
how will burying the movie help? :doh:

By forgetting where you've buried it. ;)
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: CLAYTON1 on April 09, 2012, 13:58:12: Well why not just never have bought it in the first place.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Stuart2007 on April 09, 2012, 15:41:52: I would like to suggest that that "movie" (or film as it is more properly referred to) has a fundamental problem in that it goes on for far too long- or it seems to anyway.

SOS Titanic or even Night to Remember are actually quite reasonable portrayals of the sinking. What is so damned irritating about the camoron one is where leonard de vinci keeps shouting "wooahoohooo" king of world/ full house boys and all the rest of that. Did people not have any decorum in 1912?
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Stuart2007 on April 09, 2012, 15:43:48: IDEA: As a mark of respect for tita...zzzzz we ALL get copies of dvd/vhs of that dull as bilgewater film and throw the whole flaming lot- every copy we can find- overboard in the western Atlantic...

There. Problem solved. And we can make films about Herald of Free Enterprise, RMS (HMTS) Lancastria, and MV Estonia... or any other tragic event that we can turn into a money making exercise for hollywood.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Rbsanford on April 09, 2012, 17:13:38: Quote from: Stuart2007 on April 09, 2012, 15:43:48

There. Problem solved. And we can make films about Herald of Free Enterprise, RMS (HMTS) Lancastria, and MV Estonia... or any other tragic event that we can turn into a money making exercise for hollywood.

20 years from now: NEW! from universal studios! Costa Concordia! :doh:
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: VirtualSkipper on April 09, 2012, 17:16:24: Quote from: Rbsanford on April 09, 2012, 17:13:38
20 years from now: NEW! from universal studios! Costa Concordia! :doh:

I would rather call it Jackass 4: Going Italian!
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Mad_Fred on April 09, 2012, 18:29:58: So.. not showing enough respect to a 100 year old disaster with 1500 deaths is unforgivable to some with a love of a certain greatest ship ever.

But, making fun of a disaster with a modern ship with 'only' 30-ish deaths,.. and that's okay?

Can we get one of the titanic buffs that show the aformentioned attitude here and there, to react to these posts, please?

And can we please get some respect?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Mad_Fred on April 09, 2012, 18:44:03: Quote from: RMS Gigantic on April 08, 2012, 09:12:34
And Fred, your 12-wheel Ford sedan comparison doesn't really hold water, considering that Ford didn't give twelve wheels to every one of its sedans since they began producing them

You are not making much sense, and you obviously do not understand analogies, as the number of wheels matters not, companies do not commonly advertise with that which is NOT included in their products. :doh:

Quote from: RMS Gigantic on April 08, 2012, 09:12:34
On another note, I was similarly disappointed when I found out that there was nothing Ship Sim-related that I could do to mark the centennial of Titanic's voyage.

Here's an idea, you could have started up SS08 and play Marty's excellent and historically sound mission and really play with the old lady as that game always had intended, and as so little 'buffs' have actually really done. That might have been nice, perhaps.

Why would shipsim HAVE to do anything more specific anyway for this date that matters not to most of the world? YOU love the ship, YOU could have done plenty yourself.

And if they had released a new Titanic, all you would have done in the coming weeks was spend most of your time posting here about all the little things Vstep (or more likely, Jason) got wrong and that they NEED to fix lest you won't enjoy her enough.

And then we would come full circle on that again aswell.. an 'anniversary' I can do without to be honest, for it would invoke Winslet's Law too often, if we get all that going again. :P

No offense, but this is 'Ship Simulator' and not 'Titanic Simulator in which the goal is to get every rivet in the right spot'. :P
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Captain Cadet on April 09, 2012, 19:34:46: Quote from: Mad_Fred on April 06, 2012, 17:29:55
Then they are idiots there, because how can they even tell you something like that about a product they don't even sell? And if they did sell it but just ran out, then they still didn't know enough about the product to give you that adivice. And one glance at the Shipsim website, and perhaps the actual box, would have made it clear she was not in it. So that's hardly Vstep's fault, is it? Nor is is 'official'. ;)

Saying that's bad...
I brought ss08 in game in bristol (on holiday ::) ) and they give me 2 discs and no licence!
When we found the problem we went to the local game and the Spambot said " can a week not pass without a game coming from any game in Bristol" and I was given ss08 NH as they didn't have ss08 in stock
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: assassinator2.0 on April 10, 2012, 01:01:00: i think a couple people will like this. its a parody http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxj1mou03M&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Rbsanford on April 10, 2012, 01:14:24: lol hilarious!

if its like that, i'll just walk out.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: RMS Gigantic on April 10, 2012, 03:51:57: Quote from: assassinator2.0 on April 10, 2012, 01:01:00
i think a couple people will like this. its a parody http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxj1mou03M&feature=youtu.be
James Cameron is so intent on nothing but getting money, even at the expense of misinforming everyone who interviews him, I wouldn't be surprised if this was his original vision.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: assassinator2.0 on April 10, 2012, 04:52:50: Quote from: RMS Gigantic on April 10, 2012, 03:51:57
James Cameron is so intent on nothing but getting money, even at the expense of misinforming everyone who interviews him, I wouldn't be surprised if this was his original vision.

which it isnt ;) thats why its funny
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: RMS Gigantic on April 10, 2012, 07:03:20: Quote from: assassinator2.0 on April 10, 2012, 04:52:50
which it isnt ;) thats why its funny
I know. To be honest, I found it entertaining, too, even though I do hate James Cameron with every fiber of my being!
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Stuart2007 on April 10, 2012, 10:59:07: Quote from: Mad_Fred on April 09, 2012, 18:29:58
So.. not showing enough respect to a 100 year old disaster with 1500 deaths is unforgivable to some with a love of a certain greatest ship ever.

But, making fun of a disaster with a modern ship with 'only' 30-ish deaths,.. and that's okay?

Can we get one of the titanic buffs that show the aformentioned attitude here and there, to react to these posts, please?

And can we please get some respect?

Thank you.

My fault, Fred. I was using irony and sarcasm to make the same point as you- but it was lost on them. I know irony is hard to explain to children. And Americans... But American children? I should have known better.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: 2000 on April 10, 2012, 11:47:40: Guys, how I see this is that if the Titanic is developed into the game it would be a DLC. If you feel that your computer won't meltdown if you play with it you can download it. Also, don't go saying that this is bias even though it is.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: trains on April 10, 2012, 15:27:53: Quote from: Stuart2007 on April 10, 2012, 10:59:07
My fault, Fred. I was using irony and sarcasm to make the same point as you- but it was lost on them. I know irony is hard to explain to children. And Americans... But American children? I should have known better.

Now why the disrespect to Americans?

Scott
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Rbsanford on April 10, 2012, 17:31:30: Scotts right...

not all us Americans are stupid and borish. ::)
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: saltydog on April 10, 2012, 18:58:10: How true, many Europeans also lay claim to that title.. ;)
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Stuart2007 on April 11, 2012, 16:08:21: Quote from: trains on April 10, 2012, 15:27:53
Now why the disrespect to Americans?

Scott

Oh that wasn't disrespect at all. Just fact.

Quote from: Rbsanford on April 10, 2012, 17:31:30
Scotts right...

not all us Americans are stupid and borish. ::)
No, that's true. I have actually met two who were not.

Quote from: saltydog on April 10, 2012, 18:58:10
How true, many Europeans also lay claim to that title.. ;)
Yes, that is most definately true. Europeans... A good reason for having the English Channel is to keep johnny foreigner away!

(See, Salty Dog? Irony is lost on them, it really really is! They really haven't seen the irony of me effectively implying that only Britain is perfect when it clearly is no such thing... :S I give up, I really really do...)
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Stuart2007 on April 11, 2012, 16:11:44: Trains/RBS,

in case you didn't understand that, it is called "dry witted humour" (or humor as you call it). Irony is primarily saying one thing that ends up proving entirely the opposite.

American humoUr is different to British humoUr- and European humoUr? Well, in some parts of Europe they still haven't invented such a concept.

I don't really find American humoUr that funny (a little too "direct and obvious" for my taste) likewise many Americans struggle with English humoUr, which is centred around sarcasm and irony.

Now back to the dull as barnacles ship...
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: RMS Gigantic on May 14, 2012, 19:23:36: Quote from: Stuart2007 on April 11, 2012, 16:11:44
I don't really find American humoUr that funny (a little too "direct and obvious" for my taste) likewise many Americans struggle with English humoUr, which is centred around sarcasm and irony.
Stuart, I would like you to meet a Mr. Tom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frAEmhqdLFs) Lehrer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDjmEj25k5U) ;D
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: RMS Gigantic on May 20, 2012, 22:01:34: Quote from: Traddles on March 11, 2012, 12:51:23
As has been mentioned frequently before, she is there, in all her glory, in SS 2008.
This is no longer possible, as the fully updated SS08 doesn't work on my Windows 7 laptop ::)

And besides that, assuming that SSE portrays the top-heaviness of cruise ships and ocean liners accurately, Titanic would be more stable in SSE's more violent waves than the Orient Star and the (assuming its type was labelled correctly,) Oceana.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: jensai123 on June 15, 2012, 15:17:19: Just install virtual sailor 7
it has better graphics and realistic titanic sinking with crack part,

but i have ship simulator and i will update mine tomorrow =)

I will buy virtual Sailor 7
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: hansgutana on June 24, 2012, 04:44:28: Quote from: jensai123 on June 15, 2012, 15:17:19
Just install virtual sailor 7
it has better graphics and realistic titanic sinking with crack part,

but i have ship simulator and i will update mine tomorrow =)

I will buy virtual Sailor 7
That's like an offense to VSTEP,it has lower graphics as you see in youtube.You can enter doors and do more things but has lower graphics if you compare it carefully.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: spitman on June 30, 2012, 21:06:19: Quote from: jensai123 on June 15, 2012, 15:17:19
Just install virtual sailor 7
it has better graphics and realistic titanic sinking with crack part,

but i have ship simulator and i will update mine tomorrow =)

I will buy virtual Sailor 7

Sorry, but you cannot buy Virtual Sailor 7. You can only rent it for awhile, seriously... if you pay now and reinstall two years later you have to "buy" another license, 2 years or more they will NOT give you another license key. If you don't believe me then look it up on their site. Also.. guess what happens when the company is no longer around or no longer supporting that game? it's game over for you.

I would also love to have that game but it is a total DRM nightmare and I don't support people selling stuff that way, if you buy something you should never have to buy it again. I applaud Vstep for allowing us to buy a disc version without all the the DRM that many companies insist on doing these days. I'd never pirate their games and do not mind disc based protection at all, I hope that they continue to do things this way and I will always be looking forward to buying their games.... even without the Titanic, although I really wish they would release one :)
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: VirtualSkipper on June 30, 2012, 21:27:19: I have Virtual Sailor for 4 years now and I am removed from their forum. That's why I like it to keep this game on my PC, so I did practicly bought it. ;)
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Stuart2007 on July 01, 2012, 13:10:20: spitman, are you saying that you know something that no one else does regarding the future of VS? Or are you merely throwing hull scrapings at the stevedores?

The same can be said of any software company, can it not? As for your suggestion that you are only "renting" it from them, I suggest you go back and read again. If someone here "loses" their copy and 2 years later asks for a d/l or key from vstep then they might well be told to barnacle off.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: LucAtC on July 01, 2012, 14:19:14: If bought from VStep site, a copy can be downloaded from the player account, where he will be able to retrieve a new copy and the corresponding key, even ShipSimulator from 2006.

Regards,
Luc
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: spitman on July 02, 2012, 16:41:01: Quote from: Stuart2007 on July 01, 2012, 13:10:20
spitman, are you saying that you know something that no one else does regarding the future of VS? Or are you merely throwing hull scrapings at the stevedores?

The same can be said of any software company, can it not? As for your suggestion that you are only "renting" it from them, I suggest you go back and read again. If someone here "loses" their copy and 2 years later asks for a d/l or key from vstep then they might well be told to barnacle off.

My point is that I have purchased disc versions of all the Ship Simulator games and I can install them 10 years from now if I want to and do not have to rely on Vstep for anything because the key came with the disc.

With the Virtual Sailor game the key is tied to the PC you purchased it on... buy a new PC and you will need a new key, they will provide you a new key if it is within 2 years but any longer and you have to buy it again.

I wasn't saying that I know that they won't be around but software companies close all the time, I never would have thought that Midway would be gone now, the publisher of Midway's titles included Mortal Kombat, Ms. Pac-Man, Spy Hunter, Tron, Rampage, the Cruis'n series, NFL Blitz and NBA Jam.

The last thing I want to do is buy Virtual Sailor, spend a couple of years downloading and creating content and they realize that it's all useless now because they are no longer around to give or "sell" me another key. Selling it this way should be illegal. The same goes for companies whos games require a constant internet connection just for a game to function and then they shut down the servers 2 years later and you can't use it anymore. That happens way too often, even EA does it.

I don't care how good the games are, I do not support anyone who sells things this way. It does not stop piracy, it's just a headache for the user and lost sales for the company.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: alan1027 on July 06, 2012, 20:07:34: probally
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: RMS Gigantic on July 09, 2012, 02:14:42: Though returning from that tangent, I miss having steam-powered ships in Ship Simulator.... At this point, I'm not even inclined to care if it's Elbe, Furie, Titanic, or the USS Iowa (which is turning into a museum, and they seem to be very willing to give the ship a virtual presence!), I just like the concept of getting a steamship in SSE.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Aad The Pirate on July 09, 2012, 15:00:33: Ahoy RMS Gigantic,
And I'm pretty sure that You're not alone with that wish. Alas for the Steam Lovers, the only Steam we will see is the kind of steam coming out of my ears and nostrils when I read comments like "the game is bad, and it's VSteps fault etc," and then it seems to be a STEAM-Version :doh:

But all fun aside, There are lots of fans of Steam-Powered vessels, and from the older SS versions none has made it to SSEX.
I sincerly hope that VStep will bring out some Steam-Tugs/Freighters/or what so ever kind of vessels.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Traddles on July 09, 2012, 16:44:43: Here is one of the many steam powered ships I sailed aboard many years ago. A liberty ship or Sam boat as we used to call them, because many of them were originally called "Sam --------" after Uncle Sam. Note the deck cargo, some of the train fans would be interested to see a ship with a train on board.

Angus.
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Rbsanford on July 09, 2012, 17:03:40: reminds me of the steam powered train ferries that would go all over the Great Lakes. only one survives today, and will unfortunately be destroyed soon.

and Vstep: if you ever do put in a steam-powered ship, can you make the funnel exhaust darker and thicker than that of the current ships?
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: RMS Gigantic on July 09, 2012, 19:08:54: I think the USS Iowa, with tampions in the guns, of course (either that or forbid her on multiplayer, to say the least) would be a nice, big, recognizable addition to the steam category.

(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-120609-uss-iowa-museum-645p.photoblog900.jpg)

After all, if the ship's keepers are willing to host a gaming station for the producers of an online naval combat game (http://online naval combat game) in which the ship will presumably be sunk... a LOT, surely they'll allow the ship to appear in a realistic simulator ;D
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Rbsanford on July 09, 2012, 21:50:19: forbidden on MP? nah, she's so nice, may be just disabling the guns for it.

and you're right, if they're willing to put her in a game where it will be sunk over and over, of course they will be willing to have her placed in SSE.

and is the Iowa really steam-powered?
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: sydmichel on July 09, 2012, 23:34:39: Of course she is steam powered. most large warships including nuclear submarines are steam powered
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: RMS Gigantic on July 10, 2012, 00:44:59: Quote from: Rbsanford on July 09, 2012, 21:50:19
forbidden on MP? nah, she's so nice, may be just disabling the guns for it.

and you're right, if they're willing to put her in a game where it will be sunk over and over, of course they will be willing to have her placed in SSE.

and is the Iowa really steam-powered?
Like I said, they could render her in a way to include the plugs/covers on her guns, at least for multiplayer. Specified missions could, if VSTEP goes that route, include waypoints that remove them. (Or use the "manlier" method of shooting THROUGH the covers, as they are apparently designed to be able to do in case of an emergency.)

As for the steam power, she uses 8 boilers to power steam turbines that power 4 screws (which might allow for a unique propulsion configuration).
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: sadsid (â€ 2016) on July 10, 2012, 07:40:40: Hi
Here is one I sailed in many moons ago ;D
Title: Re: Will TITANIC be making a come back
Post by: Rbsanford on July 10, 2012, 16:31:44: been on a steam ship too. it was the ferry SS Badger. She's still in service today, doing trips from Ludington-Manitwoc.

(http://www.michigan.org/global/Media/310/gettingthere_ferry_BADGER_6.jpg)

(http://www.boatnerd.com/news/newsthumbs/images-08-3/1-Badger-8-11-08-ml.jpg)

as you can see, she would be a very beautiful steam addition to SSE, but in order to add her, they would have to add the rote too, and since it goes right across Lake Michigan, it would be something like 3x the length of Dover-Calais.