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Title: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: firestar12 on March 30, 2009, 00:55:33
Comments please. :)
SS United States for Ship Simulator
MODEL PROGRESS: 20%
SHIP SIMULATOR PROGRAMMING: 0%
SHIP SOUNDS: 45%
Ship Specifications:
Name: SS United States
Length: 990 Feet
Width: 110 Feet
Absolute Top Speed: 41 Knots
Cruising Speed: 35 Knots


Ingame description of the vessel:
The SS United States is the flagship of the United States of America. On the ship's maiden voyage to Southampton, the ship stole the Blue Riband away from the RMS Queen Mary. The United States still holds the Blue Riband for Westbound crossing, but in 1990 the ship lost the Eastbound crossing to Hoverspeed Great Britain. This ship is currently moored in Philadelphia and is awaiting restoration or being sent to the breakers.
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm308/HmhsBritannic/SSUS-10.png)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm308/HmhsBritannic/SSUS-8.png)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm308/HmhsBritannic/SSUS-6.png)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm308/HmhsBritannic/ssus-2.png)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm308/HmhsBritannic/Deck-61.png)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm308/HmhsBritannic/SSUS-11.png)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: trains on March 30, 2009, 00:56:34
You're actually starting it?
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on March 30, 2009, 00:58:11
You're actually starting it?
Yes, welcome back Scott! ;D
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: matt5674 on March 30, 2009, 04:05:13
Great model you are just beginning. I am too starting on a model of a different ship. It is what I will think as Pride of Ireland. It is going to barely look like Pride of Rotterdam. I will put PoI pictures in a topic I will start in a little bit.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: v.h94 on March 30, 2009, 05:38:55
Good choice of ship and your model are great :thumbs:
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on March 30, 2009, 07:50:44
Your becoming very good at this Firestar, hope that info I sent you in the PM helps too.

If you have MSN, just give me a shout, and if you need anything, do ask :thumbs:

By the way, Nice choice of name for your next project Matt :lol: ;D

Jack.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Minime on March 30, 2009, 09:27:23
Very nice Firestar, you are really good this and I'm looking forward to more updates, good luck.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Ncena1 on March 30, 2009, 14:32:22
very nice start there  :thumbs:
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on March 30, 2009, 20:36:54
Thanks everyone, actually, I started this project a long while ago. But I feel I have been neglecting the project. I will check my PM in a second Jack.
Edit: Jack were you talking about the
Quote
I use Kerkythea to render the Models in Sketchup...
One?
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on March 30, 2009, 21:25:04
So who here would like to see her in Ship Sim 2010?
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Shipaddict on March 30, 2009, 21:27:18
Personally I think that the United States is a little ugly myself, (Not in any way saying your model is bad! ;) )

Could be a nice little addition though. :)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on March 30, 2009, 21:29:16
How do I add a poll without making a new topic? :)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Mad_Fred on March 30, 2009, 21:30:10
by clicking "Add Poll"

 ;D
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on March 30, 2009, 21:32:03
by clicking "Add Poll"

 ;D
Ah...didn't see that. haha.. ;D
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: J3nsen on March 30, 2009, 21:56:11
Nice details! Good start!  ;)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on March 30, 2009, 21:56:51
Nice details! Good start!  ;)
Thanks! :)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: CaptainMike1 on March 30, 2009, 23:00:37
Well done Firestar, keep going!!

Mike

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on March 30, 2009, 23:15:32
Thanks a lot Mike! ;D I have added those railings on the sides that will eventually have steps below them. ::)
(http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm308/HmhsBritannic/SSUS-12.png)
Gotta love those clay renders!!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: CaptainMike1 on March 30, 2009, 23:16:49
Hehe
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: CaptainMike1 on March 30, 2009, 23:23:37
They open immediately in my I.E.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on March 30, 2009, 23:24:36
Firestar, could you please upload your images in .jpg ? Because I'm getting very unpatient to see updates when it takes forever to open each image. Thanks.
Sure Diamant. (Howabout if I uploaded them directly from my computer as an attachment?)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on March 30, 2009, 23:39:00
Thanks, Firestar.  Just make them less than 100K in size.
Ok, anyways for now there is just going to be a hole where the stairs are gonna be later. I will add the picture as soon as it is done rendering. (Takes about 2 more minutes)
Edit: Here it is, darkness, never ending darkness. Just like my sister Crystal's mouth. ;D ;D :lol:
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: The Captain on March 30, 2009, 23:44:03
I'm sure there are lots of holes in a ship that isn't finished, and even some in ones that are. Just not below the bow line ;D.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on March 31, 2009, 23:52:00
Any small updates, Firestar?
Uh...not really. I will work in a second and I will post it here in a couple minutes.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 01, 2009, 00:21:14
Ok, here you go. Added those doors.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Minime on April 01, 2009, 00:23:49
Very nice firestar, can't wait to see this finished along with volgobalt or whatever the name was
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 01, 2009, 00:29:06
Ok, can I see a pic of reference? (Also Minime just hinted at another project you guys don't know about yet) ;D. Also, if anyone sees any errors, let me know.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Minime on April 01, 2009, 00:33:23
Ok, can I see a pic of reference? (Also Minime just hinted at another project you guys don't know about yet) ;D. Also, if anyone sees any errors, let me know.
oh lol, forgot that it wasn't announced, but I won't say anything more, that's up to Firestar
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 01, 2009, 00:43:57
Who is Firestar? Are you talking to me by any chance?
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 01, 2009, 00:46:38
Could you make it even longer, Fboig?
Haha...yep. Flaming ball of incandescent gas on awesome enchanted forests.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 01, 2009, 00:59:17
Ok, back on topic hehe...Thanks to Diamant for the info for this fix right here:
Also, heres that ship Minime was hinting at.
Edit: Here is another update, if you dont know what I did, I took a section off the back railings for the people to pass down to the lower decks.
Image removed due to unofficial logo use. I should have thought about that before I did it.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: matt5674 on April 01, 2009, 06:45:36
I will be changing my username from Matt5674 to something more better than the current.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on April 01, 2009, 07:48:10
I will be changing my username from Matt5674 to something more better than the current.

On the other hand, I'm always going to be IRI5HJ4CK ;D

Very good progress! Looking forward to seeing the final product!

Jack
p.s. Are you using Sketchup for the Hull, or is it Delftship, or something like that?
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: CaptainMike1 on April 01, 2009, 09:55:40
Could you make it even longer, Fboig?

Just call him GAS - it's shorter

 :evil:
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Minime on April 01, 2009, 13:35:21
he uses blender, not delftship or sketch up
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 01, 2009, 15:06:13
I changed it as an april fools joke. Nothing more nothing less. It is not something to be done often unless absolutley needed. Only the admins can do it.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: matt5674 on April 01, 2009, 16:45:02
Firestar is better than FBOIG. good thinking on changing your name back.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Captain Tony on April 01, 2009, 17:53:12
Looking very good so far. I would use it.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 02, 2009, 14:49:06
It was an april fools day joke guys. Me and Fred were planning it a while ago. Maybe two months ago, I don't remember. Anyways, as soon as I get home I will post an update for you guys. Let me know what you want me to focus on next. I do think that the masts are too skinny, I agree with Diamant. Glad to see That "I want it, I want it" is winning. ;D ;D ;D :) :)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Mad_Fred on April 02, 2009, 15:32:58
"Planning"  might be a bit overstated, I reckon..  ::)


I think it was me who called him that in a PM, cause it's boring to always say "hi so-and-so" over and over..

He asked me would I change it for him as an april fools joke.. and I didn't mind so said ok..

Back to topic though;

You're making great progress Firestar, can't wait to see where this is going!  :thumbs:


Fred
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: CaptainMike1 on April 02, 2009, 18:49:43
Firestar

I would ignore all the time wasting 'waffle' about your name change and concentrate on the excellent work you are doing with the model!!

Mike
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 02, 2009, 20:13:37
I was doing the hull but deleted it after er...a buisness problem that we will not go into ANY further detail on. Please no one mention that.
@ Diamant, of course, I always work on practice items such as rudders and props and even telegraphs. Anyone here who can find me a decent side view please see if they can or ANY blueprints would be of great use. Exspetially that lower decks.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 03, 2009, 22:11:10
This project is kinda slow in comparison with my other one because this one will take a while. But sure, I made some test propellers. Let me know if you guys want me to make another topic for my other project. That one will get tons more updates way more often.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 07, 2009, 21:00:48
Thanks VERY much for those Diamant, will be sure to order them. Here is an update. (I added some more gaps in the railings for stairs to be added later.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Shipaddict on April 07, 2009, 21:22:30
Very nice :)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 07, 2009, 21:32:29
Thanks very much! :)
Edit: Hey everyone, here is a telegraph I was working on for the SSUS. I will start a model of the bridge any day now. (Because for the guidelines, the bridge is basically a separate model, so i can start anytime)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 13, 2009, 22:04:04
I suppose I can start some stair work right now. (Listing to Love Shack and I love that song!)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: llamalord on April 13, 2009, 22:11:19
  what's go'in on with that prop of yours.  It has large noches in it along the shaft hole in the center, just asking.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 13, 2009, 22:14:50
My subsurf modifier was acting up. :-\ When I do the real ones, it wont be like that. If anyone here wants to know what subsurf is, feel free to ask.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 13, 2009, 22:32:54
(Sorry for double posting) I will edit a render in this post after it is done rendering. (Those clay renders take a long time you know!) ;D
EDIT: Here it is, you might not be able to see it right away, but look at the very stern and on the port side, you will see that gate like thing. I will duplicate it over to the other side in just a second, no need t post that as an update as it is not too big...
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: llamalord on April 14, 2009, 01:21:51
My renders somestimes take up to an hour even with my extreeme graphics card.  Of coarce it does vary depending on the complexity of the model and the particular scene.  Sometimes it turn all of the anti-aliasing down to do a fast render first to fine tune things.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 14, 2009, 20:35:39
I am glad my renders take 5 minutes the longest. I a lot of it can be your lighting settings though. I like to use a clay render or usually ambient occulsion.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 19, 2009, 14:39:16
Sorry about the double post, I figure it has been long enough. Here is an update you guys can WATCH. An animation! Let me know what you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtIA6NHFdUQ
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: CaptainMike1 on April 19, 2009, 16:29:13
Coming along nicely Firestar, you can watch the movie all day tomorrow on your birthday!!

Happy birthday for Monday

Mike
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Minime on April 19, 2009, 20:28:09
That's very nice Firestar, can't wait for updates.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 19, 2009, 22:14:00
You guys (Especially Diamant) Seem to love to help out! You know what would really help me right now? If you guys could find me some photos of the stern, particularly this area where there are supposed to be doors. If anyone found pics of the doors, that would be a great help. Thanks.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 20, 2009, 03:20:26
As I was pointed out, it is not a doors, but there are vents. I really am not looking forwad to finishing the railing work at the stern. Very boring work I tell you. Very repetitive too...
Also, model photos are a big help too! about 65% of this work would not be possible without some of the model photos I have seen. Also, if anyone could find out how far in they went, that would be good.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: bbydino05 on April 20, 2009, 03:23:36
lovely
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: llamalord on April 20, 2009, 13:19:55
It looks like a garage door. ;D
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 20, 2009, 22:21:11
Haha....I thought it would be a good shelf if I were to make it bigger on its X axis. Only you would think that, llamalord. ::) ;D
EDIT: Look what Firestar decided to do today!
You know what would be great you guys? If anyone here could find out what kind of floor that deck I added had. Perhaps wood maybe?
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Minime on April 20, 2009, 22:26:38
very nice, get's better and better ;)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 20, 2009, 22:26:38
Thanks Diamant! If anyone here ever had any questions or wants to see a render of a certain area on the ship, just ask! I am working on it as we speak!
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: CaptainMike1 on April 20, 2009, 22:50:56
Haha....I thought it would be a good shelf if I were to make it bigger on its X axis. Only you would think that, llamalord. ::) ;D
EDIT: Look what Firestar decided to do today!
You know what would be great you guys? If anyone here could find out what kind of floor that deck I added had. Perhaps wood maybe?

I always thought that she was built without any wood at all apart from the Butcher's Block?
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 20, 2009, 22:52:35
I always thought that she was built without any wood at all apart from the Butcher's Block?
Where did you hear this? Also, what is the Butchers Block?
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: CaptainMike1 on April 20, 2009, 22:55:10
Just something that I have always known. The Butcher's Block is the block of wood in the Butcher's Shop used for chopping meat on!!

And it's here too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_United_States
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 20, 2009, 22:56:15
Hm...no wood. I think that would be kinda awkward. Do they say why?
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: CaptainMike1 on April 20, 2009, 22:57:01
Cutting down the risk of fire
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 20, 2009, 22:58:11
Ah yes....Thanks for the link Mike!
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Kapn Jonah on April 21, 2009, 23:36:28
She's coming along nicely Firestar, keep up the good work ;)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 22, 2009, 00:05:32
Thanks my friends! Also, new question. Rather than that thing in one of my other updates being a vent, would it make more sense if it was a window? This video supports my theory. They have a similar shape.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6gA7mHB6MA&NR=1
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 22, 2009, 01:26:41
I don't know about that. What did you mean by that exactly? Did you mean by all the interior? It will be like Titanic, with mostly just deck space walkable.
Edit: Here is an update. Them are some dirty windows! No, that is just because of the ambient occulsion light settings. It won't appear like that in the game. (IF it happens, remember)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: llamalord on April 22, 2009, 21:37:36
**Cough Cough** Garage Door **Cough Cough**
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 22, 2009, 23:10:07
**Cough Cough** Garage Door **Cough Cough**
**Cough Cough** Window **Cough Cough**
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 22, 2009, 23:38:19
Sure, I will work on it right now.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 22, 2009, 23:48:18
Ok it is rendering right now.
EDIT: Here it is guys, notice I added windows all along the starboard side.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 23, 2009, 00:10:22
Thanks very much, all this really means a lot. Some things on my ship neededs more details. Such as this object. If anyone could find out what it is, or pictures of it to help me add more details, that would be great.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 23, 2009, 00:21:33
Winch control room & tourist class stair hall.
That picture shows cranes on top of the 'box'. Was this true? Perhaps a pcitures could be showed to me and I could model the cranes right now.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 23, 2009, 00:41:54
Can someone find a picture of cranes? I never noticed them in any pictures of mine. Also, I might post an update in a second. Might.
Edit: After looking at this picture for much time, I decided to re size my forward masts. I still don't think that they are thick enough though. Ant the tops, don't worry about them, I will work on that later.
(http://www.ssunitedstates.org/gif/shipphotos/SionaBridge.jpg)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 23, 2009, 00:52:41
Heres an overall progress shot. I will start adding some basic percentages in the first post. I just emailed the ship's designer's granddaughter. I know her email address. She never responds to me though.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 23, 2009, 01:03:07
Another overall progress shot. A really nice angle too! I like this one! Shout if you like it!
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Kapn Jonah on April 23, 2009, 02:37:48
I LOVE IT! ;D
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: CaptainMike1 on April 23, 2009, 10:05:45
Firestar

These pictures shows the forward derricks in the raised postion.

I take it you have seen this web site:

http://www.ss-united-states.com/vt0.html


Mike
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 23, 2009, 16:05:47
No Mike, I have not seen it. Thanks very much for that. I will check it out right now.
Edit: More mast work but it is paying off! Were there lights up there?
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 23, 2009, 19:45:57
I am sure a lot of your thoughts of that is the awkward angle. If I knew exactly where they were I would start the cranes but I keep getting mixed reports. :'(
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 23, 2009, 20:48:58
Ok, that picture is here right? And the cranes are not part of the mast, but they are part of that thing that has no detail? (lol)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 23, 2009, 21:23:26
Right, but derrick attached to the mast but not to that undetailed "box".  ;D Make something like that:


Thanks Diamant. That illustration helped. Also, does anyone know anything about the aft masts?
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 24, 2009, 01:14:05
Ok. I like her on google earth. Looks nice. Well I mean, nice view. The ship is far from nice. I would model it right now, but I am going to leave soon. I will model it when I get back.
Edit: Ok, I have the background image set up. Will start it right now! :) :) (This music is so awesome to listen to when you model, it is a very good video too)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW-lV-SkzQU
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 24, 2009, 01:36:06
(Sorry for the double post but I had to because of attachments)
I started on the cranes. Have not added any detail yet though.
Please note: It appears to be getting bigger as it gets toward the bow. It does not, that is jus tbecause of the camera angle.
EDIT: Here is another update.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Master Captain on April 24, 2009, 02:20:31
model is looking great, now http://classicliners.nicholaswwilson.com/ships/united-states.htm (http://classicliners.nicholaswwilson.com/ships/united-states.htm) that is a great reference for the "Big U" its also an awesome reference for all kinds of old classic liners i've posted that site many times here and its very useful. One thing i love about the United states is that sucker is fast! 38kn :o thats faster than my bowrider as 38kn comes to roughly 43mph and my boat tops at 40 :P
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 24, 2009, 02:24:17
model is looking great, now http://classicliners.nicholaswwilson.com/ships/united-states.htm (http://classicliners.nicholaswwilson.com/ships/united-states.htm) that is a great reference for the "Big U" its also an awesome reference for all kinds of old classic liners i've posted that site many times here and its very useful. One thing i love about the United states is that sucker is fast! 38kn :o thats faster than my bowrider as 38kn comes to roughly 43mph and my boat tops at 40 :P
Actually, she went faster than that during her speed trials. Let me find that bookmarked page. I will post it here in a second.
EDIT
Quote from: Sea trials report.
The ship was put through the rigors of crash stops, full rudder tests, and stability tests.  Mechanical tests were also performed.  The ship even traveled in reverse at a phenomenal speed of 20 knots, nearing the top forward speed of the ill-fated Titanic.  The ship is reported to have reached an astonishing top speed of 43 knots for a brief period of time, outpacing a speeding Navy Destroyer!  The SS United States performed beautifully in gale force winds and moderately rough seas.  Roll and vibration was minimal, and the ship remained very stable at high speed.  The ship met or exceeded all performance specifications, and even exceeded the expectations of William Francis Gibbs himself.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Master Captain on April 24, 2009, 02:29:10
geez thats fast she was a remarkable ship, didn't even have any wood on board either, so quite fire proof as well ;)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 24, 2009, 02:45:09
And they did very fast annula overhauls on her. An overhaul could be completed in 10 days max.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 24, 2009, 22:46:52
It does have a consistent diameter. But I will look at that drawing.
Edit: Added windows. 2d faces for now but not for long. :evil:
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Nathan|C on April 24, 2009, 22:53:48
Awesome work Firestar, you've truly improved at this modelling  :thumbs:

Keep it up  ;)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 24, 2009, 22:59:03
Thanks a lot Nathan. I just barely made them 3d. I was thinking, should I texture them or colorize them?
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Nathan|C on April 24, 2009, 23:12:29
Textures are detailed...but poly heavy....colours aren't too demanding..but lack detail  ;)

If this is for SS, detail is good, so i'd go textures  :thumbs:
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 24, 2009, 23:45:50
Textures are detailed...but poly heavy....colours aren't too demanding..but lack detail  ;)

If this is for SS, detail is good, so i'd go textures  :thumbs:
I don't know if you could say poly heavy, because they are not part of the model. Anyways, here is an updated hull. I would say it is VERY close (I did that without blueprints, wait till I get hull prints)
(I don't feel like rendering right now) If anyone could find pictures to compare to of this hull, that would be great.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 25, 2009, 00:07:42
 ;D ;D ;D
You don't know how much this pleases me. I will add a rendered textured shot in a sec. I only have to bow done so far. I am making the tex right now.
Even though this is just a test tex, I am beginning to get very exited! ;D ;D The final texture will be far better than this. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Minime on April 25, 2009, 00:21:13
Very nice, great job.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 25, 2009, 00:31:16
Thanks a lot Minime. Here is another. Don't worry about that weird bit at the prow. I will fix that later.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Minime on April 25, 2009, 00:34:35
ah nice, can't wait to see the rest of the hull.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Becky on April 25, 2009, 00:41:55
Wooow, BigU was always one of my favorite ships, and your model looks very well so far  :thumbs:

and ähm....if you want some good textures look here: www.cgtextures.com
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 25, 2009, 00:47:13
What do you mean Diamant?
@ Becky: Ah yes. I use that site a lot. Thanks! Don't forget to vote either!
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 25, 2009, 00:49:40
Ok, I will work on it.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: RMS Gigantic on April 25, 2009, 01:33:41
VERY impressive!

I would have waited for actual blue prints instead of simply approximating, personally, but that's just me ;)

Do you have permission from NCL before considering applying for this to be in the game?
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 25, 2009, 01:34:27
VERY impressive!

I would have waited for actual blue prints instead of approximations, personally, but that's just me ;)

Do you have permission from NCL before considering applying for this to be in the game?
No, I did have some blueprints. Other than the hull, none of this is approximation. And NCL is putting her up for sail mate. I want to get this more done before contacting them so they actually see something in it.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: RMS Gigantic on April 25, 2009, 01:36:17
No, I did have some blueprints. Other than the hull, none of this is approximation.
Oh, okay. Scratch that, then.

What about the NCL matter? It could also be a consideration to have some of the money from each purchase from the shipyard go to restoring the real deal!
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 25, 2009, 01:37:31
That was what I was hoping to set up. I don't know though, thats up to VSTEP.
Also, if anyone has bridge blueprints, that would be great because I would love to start the bridge model.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: RMS Gigantic on April 25, 2009, 11:54:42
Watch some of the details of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5o8xlVhN4E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5o8xlVhN4E)

I had seen part of one of the cranes, and it might also have a short video on the bridge.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 25, 2009, 14:34:16
Sure Diamant, how is this any better?
Sorry, that sounded rude. I did not mean to type that how, sorry if I offended anyone. ;D
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 25, 2009, 15:24:26
Edit: Finally colored those windows.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: RMS Gigantic on April 25, 2009, 15:32:36
I can't help but think of the Battle Hymn of the Republic ;D

I wonder if anyone ever thought of using that in a tribute to this ship....
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 25, 2009, 17:03:32
Not yet. I will do that later. After I fix this subsurf modifier error. There is a problem where the hull meets the deck. I can do that after I fix it.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 25, 2009, 17:08:03
They are, the blueprints do not lie!! :o
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 25, 2009, 17:14:49
Ok, I will do that later. (Not in a modeling mood right now).
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 26, 2009, 22:19:13
Ok, I will be posting an image in a second with a *better* ;D ;D hull texture.
EDIT: Here it is guys. I will also start to put hull plates and rivets on the texture soon I hope.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: RMS Gigantic on April 26, 2009, 22:24:17
Hopefully you can keep the texture limit in mind :-\

And poly limit :P (Rivets are usually too much)

Or, you could make like Jason and release an initial version with the basics complete. then work on details as time goes on....
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 26, 2009, 22:31:50
Tssk tssk...now, now. Lets not go starting fights Diamant. I fixed that weird bit at the bow if you look here.
@ Gigantic. Yes, I do look at Jason as a 'figure to follow' for lack of a better word. I am about to attempt to make hull plates. Wish me luck! (As a texture of course)
If anyone could find me some pictures to get a good idea about how large they were, that would be of grea help.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: CaptainMike1 on April 26, 2009, 22:46:27
Well done Firestar
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 26, 2009, 22:48:25
Thanks Mike. I know ships have that curved up look, I will give that texture that sometime soon.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: RMS Gigantic on April 26, 2009, 22:54:05
Oh, you meant making the plates and rivets as part of the texture?

phew!

Anyway, I know that plate and riveting patterns usually repeat, so it should not be a problem there.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: J3nsen on April 26, 2009, 22:55:36
This looking good Firestar, just getting better and better! :)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 26, 2009, 22:58:01
Also, I decided to not work on the texture right now. More modeling needs to be done! ;D
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: CaptainMike1 on April 27, 2009, 12:41:40
FS

Another related web site here, don't know if you have seen it?

http://www.ssunitedstatesconservancy.org/SSUS/Home.html

Mike
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 27, 2009, 22:22:25
Yes, I have seen it. I check it very often. ;)
EDIT: I am still working on fixing those 'deck meets hull' problems. I am almost done with thm. Just a few more things to clean up!
Yet another edit: I fixed those problems! It was easy. All I had to do was put a crease (Not what you guys are thinking) A 3d modeling crease into the deck so it would fit right into the hull.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Minime on April 27, 2009, 23:35:54
very nice work so far, even though you need to work out that texture and the name.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 28, 2009, 21:32:18
Am I really amazing? I don't know about that. Hm....I might work on her today. If I can find the time. Tuesdays and Thursdays are my busy days, but I always try to get something in. ;)
EDIT: Well Diamant, it looks like you will have your wish soon. I need to completely re-uv map the hull texture. :-X
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 28, 2009, 21:53:13
I can't promise you that. It is very hard work.
EDIT: Well, here is a start. Still have to get rid of that damn thing at the bow! >:( UV Mapping is very frustrating.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 28, 2009, 21:59:23
I believe I did yes.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 30, 2009, 20:40:15
That was yesterday.... :P The meeting is over. ;D Uh....sure. Here is an update showing three possible new hulls. (Ignore the texturing job, I am not done with that. You might not notice much of a difference between the hulls. The only one that is different is the one on the very far left. The on on the right is exactly the same, just trying to fix its texture job. And yes Diamant, I will fix those black and white parts after I get the basic UV Mapping work correct. Also, ignore that red and black at the stern.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 30, 2009, 20:50:45
Yes, lots of happy memories. ;) It was fun. That is because of subsurf. If I have it applied, it will make the edges fade away like that. The final hull will not be like that.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on April 30, 2009, 21:24:43
You were scared for a second huh? I have an update. Right now it looks VERY weird. That is the fun part of UV mapping. It looks like it has part of it broken off... :P That is just the texture job.
Also, if anyone here wants to see the fellow who created the SS United States? Here he is!
William Francis Gibbs.
(http://www.ss-united-states.net/SSUnitedStatesWebpageFiles/PicturesMiscellaneous/Gibbs2.jpg)
EDIT:What do you mean by support? You guys were going to stop supporting me? :P Ok, I did the (What I hope to be) Final UV Mapping job. For those of you like DIAMANT who cant see the difference between the two hulls, this picture should clear things up. The one on the left is more accurate and has a better texture job. The on on the right that has the superstructure and all that on it has that annoying rise that I can't get rid of lol. Anyways, here is an update.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 01, 2009, 00:36:52
Haha...I am still working on it. I am not done yet. Be sure to check!
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: TJK on May 01, 2009, 08:37:03
Weary nice ship firestar, hope it can be place for it in ss 2010 ;) , you are a good 3D modeler so kip us updated and continue the good work
Tore
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 01, 2009, 15:09:19
Thank you a lot Tore! Later  today I will post a sample of the SS United State's horn. I think you guys will love it. I tested to see how it sounded on Titanic (Titanic because it is a ship of rough comparison) and it sounded good! Needs a lot more work though (Made longer, less 'dirty' etc...).
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: TJK on May 01, 2009, 17:04:35
Thank you a lot Tore! Later  today I will post a sample of the SS United State's horn. I think you guys will love it. I tested to see how it sounded on Titanic (Titanic because it is a ship of rough comparison) and it sounded good! Needs a lot more work though (Made longer, less 'dirty' etc...).
Sorry have not joined yet, shall do, BDW have you seen the ship and the trains i have made, you find them on Titan, one of the trains are in the new trainz classic 3 i use 3 max
but i will see after you to the ship are finish, it most be fabulous
you find them here http://www.titanshipping.net/show-room-f37/tjk-first-try-t93.htm
Tore
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 01, 2009, 22:03:27
Ok guys, here is the erm....bridge....
EDIT: Here is another update. It looks much more bridgey now.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 01, 2009, 22:05:58
Haha....What do you mean says a lot?
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 01, 2009, 22:10:01
Another small update. See if you can guess what it is!
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on May 02, 2009, 08:20:05
The Bridge/Bridge Wings ;D

Jack.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 02, 2009, 13:43:54
Yes! I thought no one would notice that I raised them. ;D
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Capt. Matt on May 05, 2009, 21:38:29
Looke great I need some tips in Making railings but looks great!! :2thumbs:
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on May 06, 2009, 13:31:06
How's she comin' along boss? ;D

Jack.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: CaptainMike1 on May 06, 2009, 13:35:12
How's she comin' along boss? ;D

Jack.

Faster than the Pride of Burgundy!
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on May 06, 2009, 13:47:28
Haha, The modelling is done with Burgundy-its the VS Programming thats the pain in the backside. I got her when she was handling like a speedboat, now she takes there abouts 4-5 minutes to reach a top speed of 23 knots. I've done all the handling, it's the throttle's that are the problem now-Only one is displaying, but Nathan wants two you see ;D

Anyway, I won't spam your topic Firestar ;D

Jack.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 06, 2009, 19:58:51
Haha...no worries. I will post updates soon I hope. My laptop has bee slowing me down (Getting it fixed)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: RMS Gigantic on May 06, 2009, 21:51:37
Your progress is as fast as the SS United States itself! ;D

No telling how fast you'll be working with school closing and that laptop not slowing you down!

You could probably get it done in time for SS10 Q1 2010!
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 06, 2009, 23:09:22
Maybe! Hopefully. What does Q1 mean though?
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Kapn Jonah on May 06, 2009, 23:11:01
Not sure...
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: Minime on May 06, 2009, 23:15:09
Maybe! Hopefully. What does Q1 mean though?
it means the first 3 months of the year, the first 1/4 which is the first quarter.
edit: you were just a bit too fast Diamant.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 07, 2009, 23:19:40
Time for an overall progress shot! ;D
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: J3nsen on May 07, 2009, 23:21:53
Verry nice! =) I saw Dom on Hangsim forum makin this ship too, soo far looks like both are realy good!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: J3nsen on May 07, 2009, 23:32:37
Yes ;)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 07, 2009, 23:32:53
Lets not go off topic.............. :-|
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: DVOMarineDesign on May 12, 2009, 08:44:59
Firestar,

I wish you all the best for this huge and interesting project.
Modeling and bringing such a large ship in a simulator or game is really a true big challenge if you want to make it really accurate and capture the essence and realism of the real ship.

I keep an eye on this project and I hope he final result will be appealing and convincing enough. I can see you've already worked a lot on it. On top of the obviously needed ability, long and difficult projects need hard work, motivation, search, time and tenacity.

You have all my encouragements for this one.

DVOMarineDesign (aka Dom).
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 12, 2009, 20:09:45
Firestar,

I wish you all the best for this huge and interesting project.
Modeling and bringing such a large ship in a simulator or game is really a true big challenge if you want to make it really accurate and capture the essence and realism of the real ship.

I keep an eye on this project and I hope he final result will be appealing and convincing enough. I can see you've already worked a lot on it. On top of the obviously needed ability, long and difficult projects need hard work, motivation, search, time and tenacity.

You have all my encouragements for this one.

DVOMarineDesign (aka Dom).
Wow, thanks. That really means a lot. I see you had some more access to blueprints etc than I did. Do you have any stuff like that you might be able to send me in a PM?
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 14, 2009, 21:34:57
I would love to add some more detail at the bow. Does anyone have any pics of this area? (By the way, I am getting a website soon for all this!)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: TJK on May 14, 2009, 22:47:18
Here you have some pictures of SS United States. see of you get some ideas here
http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&rlz=1I7PCTA_no&um=1&q=SS%20United%20States.&ndsp=18&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
And here are more detailed
http://www.ss-united-states.net/SSUnitedStatesWebpageFiles/WebPages/PagesSSUS.htm
 
Tore

(http://i44.tinypic.com/330vkmb.jpg)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 15, 2009, 00:05:28
Thanks very much Tore! You are very helpful. :)
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: RMS Canada on May 15, 2009, 20:36:43
The S.S. United States is such a beatiful ship
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 19, 2009, 15:02:08
You sure got that right! Now, we get to the real stuff soon...lifeboats, promenade deck, glass windows, *Tim Allen Grunt, yeahhh*!
Here is the horn I made for the ship. My only issue is that the end of it needs to sound more shippy. I did it in a music writing software. Let me know if you think it sounds like the really horn. I added a little bit more 'power' to the horn though.
EDIT: Sorry for such a short response...I had to post that really quickly.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: RMS Gigantic on May 19, 2009, 21:38:21
It's a midi, so it'll be considered low quality.

It's a synthesized sound, being comparable to the default horns on Ship Simulator, which, of course, got many complaints about how poor they sounded.

EDIT: Woo! 1912th post! ;D
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: CaptainMike1 on May 19, 2009, 22:53:07
FS

Don't want to complain but it does sound a bit like a cow which has eaten too much green grass.

 :evil:

Mike
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 20, 2009, 00:19:19
It's a midi, so it'll be considered low quality.

It's a synthesized sound, being comparable to the default horns on Ship Simulator, which, of course, got many complaints about how poor they sounded.
I know that, I will save is as a wav or whatever. But Mike, compare it to the real ship's horn.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: RMS Gigantic on May 20, 2009, 00:22:49
Even converted to wavs, midis still have a low quality, monotonous, perhaps even "bad" sound to them.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 21, 2009, 00:44:59
Look what I happened to stumble across! ;D
EDIT: Here is the update on the NEW and ACCURATE hull.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: CaptainMike1 on May 21, 2009, 09:22:58
Very good Shane
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 26, 2009, 21:59:19
A survey has been created for the SS United States project.
Please note!!: This survey is purely for discussion. No promises can be made based on the survey results. That is for VSTEP to decide IF it gets added to the game.
Click >here< (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=6g_2fvij_2bpBXppdb3cRCzEhw_3d_3d) to take the survey!
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: RMS Gigantic on May 26, 2009, 22:35:45
There was no "free" option for pay :-\

The amount was not in euros, either.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 27, 2009, 00:54:19
And why does that matter? You of all people should no care if it is not in Euros. ::) :-\ :-X
Anyway, things look good so far! I see some one said that they wanted to see some interior. What I plan for interior:
Full interior will not be an option I'm afraid. Though I might be able to get some rooms that are located immediately off the main deck.
EDIT: Here is a small update.
EDIT: Another update. It would be great if you guys could find out if that wall I just created had a window on it.
Another Edit: I did some railing work on her. It looks a lot better. I probably will be making some more low poly railings soon though. Right now her railings are pretty poly heavy.
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: CaptainMike1 on May 27, 2009, 09:33:31
Looking good
Title: Re: SS United States.
Post by: firestar12 on May 29, 2009, 21:06:39
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Today I talked to a nice chap named Dan from the SSUS conservancy. He said that they [The SSUS conservancy] might pay me to do the model for them, and that I can get free blueprints from them!
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: Mad_Fred on May 29, 2009, 21:28:14
Heya FS!

That's brilliant news, I'm glad to hear that.  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: TerryRussell on May 29, 2009, 21:36:22
Sounds like good news. Hope it all works out!  :thumbs:
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on May 29, 2009, 22:12:35
Thanks guys! I hope I can find a way to have both VSTEP and the SSUS Conservancy to use the model.
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: CaptainMike1 on May 30, 2009, 09:32:51
Well done Shane!!

 :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on May 30, 2009, 14:13:36
But, there might be copyright issues about this because if VSTEP puts it in the game, they will need me to sign it over to them. But if I give it to the SSUS conservancy, then I would have to sign it over to them. Does anyone over here have any legal knowledge? :lol: ::)
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: bbydino05 on May 30, 2009, 17:45:17
Well as my mom being the second ceo of a law firm here in la i have some knowledge and the best thing you could do is have them both sign a contract that they will both be able to use the ship. Or it could even kinda like a jumbo javelin thing but thats all i could tell you because if you get the contract it will have to be a legal one between the ssus people and vstep and they would have to meet so.
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on May 30, 2009, 19:42:06
Hm...that does not sound very likely. I can tell you one thing that is likely. Either VSTEP or the SSUS Conservancy will be without and SSUS model.
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: TerryRussell on May 30, 2009, 21:17:44
Umm...  Shane, just keep modeling it & then at the end all will be clear, my friend. ;)

Yep, I'd agree. Get that ship model so good that people are fighting over it, and then worry about any legal issues!  If it's good enough to fight over, others will find a way to get it sorted. ;D
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on May 30, 2009, 21:27:16
Haha...Terry always has the best advice! ;D
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: TerryRussell on May 30, 2009, 21:44:01
 :thumbs:
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on June 05, 2009, 23:01:01
Still busy. It takes a lot of work you know!
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: Welc0me1 on June 06, 2009, 00:12:20
     
    Great modeling! :2thumbs: :2thumbs: :2thumbs: ;D ;D I hope V-Step puts in SS

                             Update?
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: RMS Gigantic on June 09, 2009, 19:05:37
Hey, Firestar, I got the trial version of a midi converter that turns midis into wavs, mp3s, etc.

I worked it on your horn. The file is attach, though. :-\

Still rather low quality :-\

I hear sounds have a better sound to them if you turn the bass up, though ;D
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: llamalord on June 09, 2009, 19:59:50
Or a 16 inch sub-woffer.
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on June 09, 2009, 20:39:03
Hey, Firestar, I got the trial version of a midi converter that turns midis into wavs, mp3s, etc.

I worked it on your horn. The file is attach, though. :-\

Still rather low quality :-\

I hear sounds have a better sound to them if you turn the bass up, though ;D
Hm...how big is it?
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: RMS Gigantic on June 10, 2009, 09:17:42
Hm...how big is it?
2.01 MB
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on June 10, 2009, 20:41:04
Wow, that was a very nice horn RMSG! Thanks very much!
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: Welc0me1 on June 10, 2009, 21:13:34


 

Update



   Please? ;D
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on June 10, 2009, 21:35:19
Ok, here.
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: RMS Gigantic on June 11, 2009, 07:18:05
You're welcome.

Once again, you may wish to have someone like Fred or Terry work on that file, or have them go out and record their own ;D
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on June 11, 2009, 20:34:36
But that is basically what the ship looks like at the moment..
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: Welc0me1 on June 11, 2009, 21:35:22
Sorry if I sounded mean... :-[
But, It looks great! :2thumbs:
Will we be able to walk through that? ???


I hope this gets in to SS10 or at least the shipyard*




*It has been the same for at least 6 months now... strange very strange
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on June 11, 2009, 21:36:12
Yes, you will be able to walk through that if it gets into the game. ;)
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: Welc0me1 on June 11, 2009, 21:38:57

Good!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :2thumbs: :2thumbs: ;D



 it looks a little dark.
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on June 16, 2009, 16:18:41
Well be posting an update in a few minutes. Sorry I did not post any the other day, I had to go fishing. :P
Here it is, just as I promised, I started a new deck.
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on June 16, 2009, 16:33:35
Haha, this is what it took to make that animation back in April. I understand it all though. (as you can see by my taskbar whenever I post things, I am a busy person)
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on June 16, 2009, 16:48:58
lol...I LOVE those buttons! Anyway, after some long (long, not hard) work, I finally have this ready:

Oops! Forgot to set the alpha channel! :doh:
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: Minime on June 16, 2009, 18:01:04
very nice, you should buy some redbull, that way you can model like 24/7, looking for a update.
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on June 16, 2009, 18:03:10
Nah, just focused on other stuff. I wish I had gotten more reference material for it, otherwise, it would be done, but different pictures said different things about them.
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on June 16, 2009, 18:18:06
Great progress Shane. Keep it up!

Looking forward to seeing the end result! :thumbs:

Jack.
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on June 20, 2009, 21:20:31
Thanks very much Jack, much appreciated. ;D

Will be posting in update in a few minutes.
Edit: Here is the update, cutting holes in the deck so that we can get started on some of the real stuff! :evil:

Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on June 20, 2009, 22:34:24
Will have to refit these stairs to fit this area at the back.
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: Minime on June 20, 2009, 22:36:14
Very nice, even though that texture looks weird, not sure if the deckiss supposed to be that way or not.
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on June 20, 2009, 22:41:23
Yes, that was a texture error I am fixing. That is the hull texture on there. kinda an error.

That stairs modify took a lot quicker than I thought it would!
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on June 21, 2009, 16:16:35
Ok, this next update is going to contain some MAJOR detail.
Railing Fixes
Stairs Modification.
Hopefully lifeboats and davits.
First, can anyone find out if these stairs have holes through the like the ones on the PoR?

EDIT: Another Stairs update.
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: Nathan|C on June 21, 2009, 17:44:01
They look almost identical to the stairs on POR, except each stair step on POR is made of wood instead of metal  ;)
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on June 21, 2009, 20:22:56
Ok, so there are holes..nice. WIll probably add those as a .png texture, unless a .dds can handle transparency.
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on June 22, 2009, 07:50:19
Looking very good shane, keep up the good work.

Jack.
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: Tomaten on June 22, 2009, 12:37:08
.dds can handle transparency  ;)
very nice  :D
Title: Re: SS United States - Important announcement!
Post by: firestar12 on June 22, 2009, 14:53:34
.dds can handle transparency  ;)
very nice  :D
Ok, then I will make a .dds texture right now. Also, thanks! Your models are good too!

EDIT: Here are the bad looking stairs, the texture issue will be sorted out ASAP.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on June 22, 2009, 19:03:50
(Sorry for the double post)
I have sorted out the texture issue. Now, I just have to add some more realism to these stairs. The update is rendering, and I will post it as soon as it is done, I would have posted it sooner, but blender crashed.

Here it is guys, I will be making it look much more better later.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on June 23, 2009, 02:56:03
No, I don't think so, I will add depth later, I still want to add some detail to the boxes up at the bow, and I also want to get started on the lifeboats, I have not been able to find any pictures though.

EDIT: I just decided to actually model them, the texture looks awful. Will post an update in a sec. Just to satisfy you, here is what I have done so far.

Another Edit: Thank god I found the remove doubles tool, that could have taken a LOT longer.

Yet ANOTHER EDIT: Now I have the real stairs modeled, not a texture, looks much more real I think.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on June 23, 2009, 07:51:02
Keep up the work Shane, you're doing well :thumbs:

Jack.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: Minime on June 23, 2009, 13:17:17
aren't those little details like the steps and other gonna make the poly count much higher?
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on June 23, 2009, 14:31:24
Those stairs are very low poly considering how much detail they have. They only have 700 polys. Also, thanks Jack! I appreciate everyone's comments!
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on June 23, 2009, 14:36:29
Oh, I thought you were saying that the stairs were the current polycount of everything I have. So far without the stairs in the model, (Have not quite finished them yet) I have 34,974 polys. I plan to make some more poly-friendly rails though.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on June 23, 2009, 14:53:31
Well, Titanic has 800,000 so I think I am set for quite a while.
EDIT: I think this looks much more realistic compared to the rest of the steps.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: Minime on June 23, 2009, 15:55:49
Yeah that looks very nice, let's hope the poly  count won't get too high.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on June 23, 2009, 17:00:08
Haha...don't worry. Polys are our friends. ;D
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: Minime on June 23, 2009, 17:02:27
it can be, it's our friend and can also be our worst enemy, just like fire.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on June 23, 2009, 17:51:24
Haha...I will be posting an update in a second. Rendering right now. Also, I am going to re do those cranes, using the blueprints you gave me a while ago. (Not the ones you drew, the other ones.)
@ Minime: Whats wrong with Fire?::) ;D
EDIT: Ok, here are the stairs completed. I better get started on that lightmap, getting really sick of waiting for these renders. Also, I will fix those dark gaps in the stairs.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on June 23, 2009, 18:26:24
Yes, I have also started my first lightmap! Now renders can be done in WAY less time. For an example of the lightmap, see this part of the ship is lightmapped, and all the other parts are not. (Still working on it's errors, it is not perfect yet).
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: DVOMarineDesign on June 23, 2009, 20:00:32
Firestar,

These stairs you're showing us have about 13/14 stairs and not 7. The right number should look more realistic for the final product.
The SS US has about 396 external stairs (the numbers are about 8X20+12X13+10X3+10X50, more or less one or two for the highest stairs), so that means 396X00=277200 polies for stairs... which is, according to me, a big NO.
My opinion is you should spend these polies in shapes and details that really need it for realism sake and for respect of the dimensional aspect of the real ship (a deeper study of photos found on the Internet and books would be recommended or even needed).
In consequence, these stairs should be textured.

But that's just my opinion and way to see it. That's of course your model and you're free to do as you wish of course. I know it is certainly not an easy ship to accurately model and I value your efforts in trying to do so.

DVOMarinedesign (Dom).
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on June 23, 2009, 20:06:19
Thanks Dom, however, I tried texturing them but that did not work out so well. I will take your information though, thanks. Let me see what those blueprints say... :)
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on June 23, 2009, 20:38:00
Ok, I will start the funnels. Here is my start:
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: DVOMarineDesign on June 24, 2009, 10:40:07
Shane,

I was a bit heavy regarding stairs number in my previous post. Indeed, the stairs you're showing should be 10 or 11 stairs (instead of 13/14) and the other highest ones on the boat deck should be 15 stairs (instead of 20 as I had previously mentioned). Bu that is still far too much polygons for that kind of details, a total of around 332 stairs, so about 232000 polies for them only. Still a big NO.

Don't think for a second I have all the accurate deckplans and blueprints. 95% of what I'm using is found on the Internet (google!) and on a few books of mine. That needs a LOT of search and study of all the photos and the rought and low res plans I have found. I do have a basic blueprint and hull lines diagram for building a scrach model of the ship though (that I had purchased about 25 years ago, and copyrighted), but, although still usefull for some basic shapes, most of the lines are wrong (not even the right number of enclosed promenade windows and lifeboats!) and I had to correct a lot of them by studying these Internet found low res deckplans and photos.
Still, I've managed to obtain a pretty accurate (and I dare think realistic) result, though not perfect.
But the main point is, be it for you or for me or anyone else: you must gather a minimal exploitable and acceptable documentation before even thinking of modeling an existing ship, at least in her basic dimensinal aspect, for realism and credibility sake and  for decently respecting the real ship.

As for the textures, you can find many of them on free web sites like www.cgtextures.com for instance. Most of mines come from free textures from free websites, or real photos (all of that often needs to be heavily modified for suiting the real ship and for more realism and improvement) or entirely made by myself. Of coure, you have to apply these textures on the objects with a correct mapping as well. But I'm sure you already know that.
For your stairs problem, you can even use your 700-poly ones, make a render with them and then use the obtained rendering as a textures. That way, each stair will be visually nice and close to what you want to obtain and will be 4 polies only (2 triangles upside and 2 downside), for a result of about 1328 polygons instead of 232000.

I'd recommend to spend more time and attention in the study of the basic shapes and dimensions of more things in your model (there are some essential, at least to me, inacurracies in your one so far, like the height of the aft terrasse and the lack of sheer for instance).
As Diamant said, accurately build all the basic things, shapes, superstructure first and then see what you can spend in details. It would be better to do that before the funnels too, since their respective position will be determined by the exact dimensions and the sheer of the superstructures and hull too. Both hull and superstructures should have the priority then.

I though you were now more equiped than me with plans and blueprints anyway, since you said the SS US Conservancy would provide them to you? This kind of thing would have helped me a lot as well and spare a lot of time in searches and corrections.

Well, I plan to post new screenshots of my future VS model, taken from close distance and once aboard in one or two days. Perhaps (although that may sound pretentious from me  ::) ) you'll be able to use them as a complement of what you already have or will find for seeing where or what or how this or that is. I still need some more clear documentations in some very limited areas though and no one has responded to my call for this kind of stuff two months ago. So I do understand the difficulties you're encountering with this model too.
In fact, in spite of this liner is rather famous, documentation found on the net is not that extensive, at least less than I first thought.

Anyway, I wish you good luck for your model and I hope VSTEP will use it some day.

Best regards,

DVOMarinedesign (Dom).
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on June 27, 2009, 21:57:56
Good Idea Dom, I appreciate your ideas and you interest in this project. I will be sure to make that rendering next time I model her...probably not today, I will be tangled up in ebay bids and all that.
EDIT: An overall progress shot:
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on June 29, 2009, 01:15:35
I still want to add detail to this wall. Anyone have any pics?

EDIT: More deck work, cutting things out etc.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on June 29, 2009, 21:56:21
Look what I learned how to do!!
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on June 29, 2009, 22:31:31
Those are hull plates...
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on June 30, 2009, 07:54:55
That'll put the poly count through the roof, won't it shane?

Even so, very good! :)

Jack.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on June 30, 2009, 14:53:03
That'll put the poly count through the roof, won't it shane?

Even so, very good! :)

Jack.
It looked THAT real? That was part of the texture! :lol: ;D
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: RMS Gigantic on July 04, 2009, 20:16:39
This is a rather appropriate day to bring this topic back, I'd say ;D

How is she?
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: Kapn Jonah on July 04, 2009, 20:24:53
I think he's dropped SSUS for now, to finish Wave Commander to get into SSE.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on July 04, 2009, 22:23:52
Not dropped. NEVER Dropped. I am just focusing on Wave Commander, that way I can get her done.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: Kapn Jonah on July 04, 2009, 22:32:11
Exactly, you dropped her, for the time being, which is why i said "for now"
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: Nathan|C on July 04, 2009, 22:41:55
"Put her on hold" is a better term to use, I think. 'Dropped' usually means abandoned  ;)
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: Kapn Jonah on July 04, 2009, 22:43:59
Whatever, i used the wrong word ::)
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: cptnchris on July 25, 2009, 17:12:57
it would be kinda cool to have it on ship sim....
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on July 25, 2009, 21:39:45
Well I would post updates now if I could, I just need to get Blender on here.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: jakanddexter on August 02, 2009, 01:51:59
Firestar your like a pro at making ss u.s and awsume at it to :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on August 02, 2009, 02:25:20
Hehe...I wish I was pro...the day I get 3DS Max or Maya...THEN will I be a pro.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: jakanddexter on August 02, 2009, 15:23:15
A even better pro you would be :2thumbs:
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: Wave Music on August 02, 2009, 16:12:19
Any shout from the SSUS's yard?  Seems like they're too busy with the Wave Commander.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on August 02, 2009, 20:54:18
Nope, I want to get Wave Commander done this week.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: Wave Music on August 02, 2009, 21:28:27
Don't hurry, to my view the WC is only ~ 50% done.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: jakanddexter on August 03, 2009, 02:36:51
Ok wavemusic
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: Wave Music on August 03, 2009, 07:10:29
Ok wavemusic

You're not Firestar. ;)
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on August 03, 2009, 10:50:31
Nope, I want to get Wave Commander done this week.

Huh?! Done this week?

You might as well take your time, Shane. You'll get much better results if you just plod along nicely, rather than setting an exact deadline for yourself  - You'll never be fully done with a model, there's always bits to add.

Jack.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: jakanddexter on August 03, 2009, 15:19:07
I know im not :doh:
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: Nathan|C on August 03, 2009, 15:40:44
So why are you answering to comments directed at firestar?
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: Wave Music on August 03, 2009, 15:43:13
Nathan, as he stated he's only 12...  Many things are excusable for that range. ;D
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: jakanddexter on August 03, 2009, 15:47:47
Sorry wave music for replying Becouse i thought you were talking to me and thank you for telling him that im only 12 ;D
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: llamalord on August 03, 2009, 17:17:15
Nathan, as he stated he's only 12...  Many things are excusable for that range. ;D

One of the many things you lose with age...  :P Excuses! ;D
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: Wave Music on August 03, 2009, 17:30:40
One of the many things you lose with age...  :P Excuses! ;D

Yeah, well said! :thumbs:  And when getting old enough you're returing the exuses back as well. ;D

I bet if Gloat or shipfan55 were 5 years old, then probably they could be unbannable. :doh:
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on August 03, 2009, 18:21:22
Yeah, well said! :thumbs:  And when getting old enough you're returing the exuses back as well. ;D

I bet if Gloat or shipfan55 were 5 years old, then probably they could be unbannable. :doh:

You better hope they aren't watching! :lol:
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on October 05, 2009, 22:17:50
Hello fellow ShipSimmers.

 I have begun to criticize the accuracy of this model. I will almost surely delete it, unless I can figure out how to fix it. My only issue here is accuracy, I mean, the model looks great but I'm sure you would rather have it done good than quick. (Paws off that statement).

 Weather or not I will delete it will be up for you to decide. If I delete it, I promise you I will scour the web for information, and restart it. Good news for this project too:

I have finally come across a VERY valuable resource, which includes accurate plans of each deck, a hull body plan, ensuring an accurate hull, and last but not least, I am in contact with people who have been on the ship in the last 2 years.

It might be a while before I get a chance to start it, but that is dependent on various factors. So what do you decide? Should I restart it or try and attempt to fix it? Remember, if I keep it there is no promise of accuracy. There is also a third option, which is to make another classic liner, a lookalike of course, which will have the same hull shape as the SSUS, ensuring you guys still get that 41.6 knots. ;D
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: Minime on October 05, 2009, 22:21:23
great to hear, would still love to have it in SS :2thumbs:
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on October 05, 2009, 22:29:31
Ok, Anfinn, do you want me to restart her (I hope :P)  or try to fix the current model?
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: Wave Music on October 05, 2009, 22:29:56
Better to restart her!
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on October 05, 2009, 22:34:00
Ok,
2 People want me to restart
0 want a new liner

And I've decided. I am going to restart her if I do any more work on her. By the way, this will be the third restart I've done on her. I'll see if I can get a screenshot of the very first model.
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: CaptainMike1 on October 05, 2009, 22:58:39
I always think it is better to finish something before starting something new!!
Title: Re: SS United States
Post by: firestar12 on October 05, 2009, 23:11:48
I'm not going to start anything new, I'm just restarting an old version.
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: firestar12 on October 28, 2009, 00:21:34
***MORE EXCITING NEWS***

 If you've looked through some old posts you might recall me working on being paid by the SS United States conservancy for a model for them to present in New York and Washington. After discussing stuff with him over the telephone, conversation died down and there was a tacit cancellation of the deal. After months passing, I've emailed him again and am going to talk to him over the phone later this week and re discussing the deal.
 
So far everyone is cooperating and it looks as if this is very likely to happen. The conservancy has even offered to supply me with full plans, physical high-detail, and possibly digital. The model is going to be very high detail and high quality textures complete with bumpmapping, tons of animations, and much interior. (Model nerd talk for "AWESOME!!" :P). I am not allowed to use this model for ShipSim unfortunately due to punishment by law (Copyright issues).

 Though I am allowed to create a second model for the game, but it can not use any parts from the high high detail model for the SSUS Conservancy. So I need to create a second model for you guys. I am however, allowed to use the plans I get from the SSUS Conservancy. And this model needs to be less detailed. Although it sounds more like something good for them, look at the bright side for you guys: Any tricks that I learn from the last model will speed up the progress of this model, and maybe be a little better shaped!
Just a little news,
Shane.
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: RMS Gigantic on October 28, 2009, 22:11:42
But I thought

Lowering poly count is not an easy task and most of the time involves re doing most of the model.

As well as takes a long time? :lol:
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: firestar12 on October 29, 2009, 22:34:19
You didn't read what I said at all. Read it next time, it'll give you a lot of info.
I said that I'm making two models, one for ShipSim and one for the conservancy, not lowering the poly count of the high res one which is NOT for shipsim, but for the conservancy, which I explained earlier. I won't need to lower any polys since I'm making an entirely different model, but really, I explained that.
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: Wave Music on October 29, 2009, 22:53:30
Make sure you'll finish all your SS United States models before you'll turn gray!
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: firestar12 on October 30, 2009, 01:22:58
I'm getting paid for the one for the SSUS Conservancy. Which one do you think I'll work harder on? I there's a chance I might work on them at the same time, to speed things up, but don't count on it. Also, at least I'm trying! This weekend I'm talking to someone on the phone and they should be able to get me some plans if they agree to my terms and I agree to theirs.
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: AriesDW on November 18, 2009, 23:20:21
This is a great project. I personally have tried to coordinate with the SS United States foundation on aiding their progress with the ship, and prior to their establishment I too was in coordination with a couple Congressmen and Senators to get a government backed organization to preserve the vessel. Seeing this vessel possibly come to life in SS will really be amazing.
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: freeciv on September 04, 2010, 02:46:47
Is it dead. It has been almost a year?
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: Firestar on October 02, 2010, 21:48:55
Is it dead. It has been almost a year?
You can never speak too soon. The project isn't quite dead, but lack of permission and materials (mainly permission) REALLY prevents quite a bit of progress. It's on hold.
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: RMS Gigantic on October 03, 2010, 00:03:02
If you can get the project kickstarted and a SSE lisence key, you could enter it into the contest being held.
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: Firestar on October 03, 2010, 18:08:18
Did you NOT just read the post directly above yours? NO PERMISSION. I don't know if you understand how absolutely necessary that is. Sorry to be speaking so directly, but that's the truth. Just wondering, do I need SSE in order to participate?
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: Mad_Fred on October 03, 2010, 18:11:03
The rules state that the contest is for SSE users, yes.

But, that might change if there's some serious contestants that do not have it yet want to participate.

Might..  but also.. might not. It's being looked at atm. nothing concrete yet.

Should be sorted soon.


Fred.

p.s. yes, I do believe you were clear on the permission issue already in that previous post. Bit of a shame.. and you can't pass off a unique ship like this as a made up generic model.  :doh:
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: RMS Gigantic on October 03, 2010, 18:29:55
Did you NOT just read the post directly above yours? NO PERMISSION.
I did read that, and what I meant by kickstart included managing to obtain permission.
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: DVOMarineDesign on October 03, 2010, 20:13:56
I'm sorry Firestar, I'm lost here and I don't get this permission issue regarding the BIG U.
Lack of material yes, but permission? Who has opposed to see her in SS 2008 or in SSE?
Would you like to elaborate and enlighten me please?

Thank you.

DVOMarineDesign (Dom).
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: freeciv on October 04, 2010, 00:07:48
I'am also lost with the permission thing.
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: Mad_Fred on October 04, 2010, 00:29:45

From the guidelines/rules:

"If an existing ship design is used then permission should be granted by design owner if possible (otherwise we may have to alter the ships appearance for it to be included in the game)."



So the ship or design owner (I dunno if they are/can be the same and who that is for the Big U.. mister Lenfest and the USC perhaps?) has to grant permission for the design to be used in the game, or else it has to be turned into a generic vessel, which is very hard with a world famous ship that everyone knows!
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: freeciv on October 04, 2010, 00:40:37
I would be shocked if NCL or the conservation society (or who ever owns her) doesn't let us use her.
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: Firestar on October 04, 2010, 01:00:35
Believe me, I've contacted them time and time again. They're not interested.
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: freeciv on October 04, 2010, 01:03:16
Believe me, I've contacted them time and time again. They're not interested.

Who NCL or the Conservation people?   

Is it logical to assume that you were Firestar12?  :P
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: Firestar on October 04, 2010, 01:06:38
Yes, and I've contacted both. Keep in mind the reservation people never owned her.. they were just a bunch of (pretty much) fanboys who didn't really do anything except ask people to raise money.
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: freeciv on October 04, 2010, 01:10:23
Thats a shame!! Maybe it could be released like the Furie and raise money for who ever owns her.

 I Really Really what this ship in SSE.
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: Firestar on October 04, 2010, 01:12:42
I can assure you, everything has been attempted. There's a REALLY safe bet you're not going to see her in SSE. Keep in mind this project is nearly 2 years old, and it's safe to assume that I tried my hardest in those two years to get permission and materials but it just won't happen.
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: RMS Gigantic on October 04, 2010, 01:18:06
SS United States - No More Exciting News

Am I right?
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: freeciv on October 04, 2010, 01:19:41
Did they say why they won't let you add her in to SS?
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: Firestar on October 05, 2010, 00:43:05
SS United States - No More Exciting News

Am I right?
Obviously I can't change the title anymore.
Did they say why they won't let you add her in to SS?

No, they didn't say anything. And they don't NEED to say why. It's their ship. Believe me, it's over. I'm having this topic locked so that people will stop trying to ask why when I've made it totally clear.
Title: Re: SS United States - More Exciting News
Post by: Mad_Fred on October 05, 2010, 01:07:19
locked as per request!