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[Jammy]

Jammy, whatever else may or may not be true, that video showing a 'laser' is a total fabrication. Laser light does NOT act in the way shown on video. Not at all... Just think about it for a minute. Go back and look at the video- download it into an editor and zoom in... it's faked (not to say they haven't used real ones at other times!)

Then look up laser on wikipedia and you will (or should) see why it is 100% faked!

I know it probably is faked, but I do know that Sea Shepherd used it still, and to be fair the whalers have also used lasers they just don't admit it when trying to make Sea Shepherd look more aggressive. My point is though, that using an LRAD device on a helicopter that can cause confusion and sickness is much worse than using a laser that can only cause vision disruption on a ship.

[saltydog]

Hi Jammy, this is no longer a discussion topic..You can go here to discuss further..

http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,17290.0.html

[Stuart2007]

Hi Jammy, this is no longer a discussion topic..You can go here to discuss further..

http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,17290.0.html

Yes, agreed. It is becoming a partial duplicate topic... So what's THIS topic for then if not discussion...

[saltydog]

Simply to keep up to date on the Waltzing Matilda campaign..
News and facts about it..

[Stuart2007]

And discussing a *potentially* illegal activity ISN'T news or fact about the campaign? 

[saltydog]

As you said before: that is a matter of opinion..

[Stuart2007]

With all respect, who (as I have asked already) is to judge whether a statement is fact or opinion?

If you are going to impose facts on everyone and not permit any discussion then what on earth is the point of the topic? Why not ask for a sticky with the eco 'heros' website and say 'read. digest. believe;

[saltydog]

You know what..?  Let's open this topic for discussion, see where it takes us..
It was never my intention to impose anything..

[Stuart2007]

You know what..?  Let's open this topic for discussion, see where it takes us..

I think that is a wise decision... Now all we need is a steady supply of 'facts'

[saltydog]

You can now continue your discussion about the lasers..

[Jammy]

Hi Jammy, this is no longer a discussion topic..You can go here to discuss further..

http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,17290.0.html

I'm discussing an earlier clash between the two forces, not the sinking of the Ady Gil which is the subject of the other topic. Although my apologies if I do seem to be repeating myself.

[saltydog]

No apologies needed Jammy..As you may have gathered, this is now a discussion topic..
So feel free to share your thoughts..

[saltydog]

I know it probably is faked, but I do know that Sea Shepherd used it still, and to be fair the whalers have also used lasers they just don't admit it when trying to make Sea Shepherd look more aggressive. My point is though, that using an LRAD device on a helicopter that can cause confusion and sickness is much worse than using a laser that can only cause vision disruption on a ship.

[McGherkin]

I agree...

[saltydog]

As do I..  Using LRAD against a helicopter pilot is highly questionable..

[Stuart2007]

I know it probably is faked, but I do know that Sea Shepherd used it still, and to be fair the whalers have also used lasers they just don't admit it when trying to make Sea Shepherd look more aggressive. My point is though, that using an LRAD device on a helicopter that can cause confusion and sickness is much worse than using a laser that can only cause vision disruption on a ship.

Jammy

You THINK it was still used... But you don't KNOW... Facts have to be quantified... I imagine you are correct, but that is an assumption...

In days gone by people would say "It is a KNOWN FACT that the world is square..." without proving it.

[Jammy]

Jammy

You THINK it was still used... But you don't KNOW... Facts have to be quantified... I imagine you are correct, but that is an assumption...

In days gone by people would say "It is a KNOWN FACT that the world is square..." without proving it.

I'm not sure what you exactly mean, but if you mean that I don't actually know if the whalers did use the device on the helicopter, then yes I do as I know they did the exact same thing last year which was shot entirely on film. Although perhaps you meant differently, and could simplify please?

[Stuart2007]

In simple terms, Jammy. If something is not proven, then it is not a fact, merely an opinion.

For example, if you were to bring criminal charges against them, would the prosecution use your 'opinion' as the basis of their case?

If I were of the opinion that you had committed XYZ offence and the Police charged you based on my 'opinion' and no evidence, would you consider it fair or reasonable? I think not.

It is really simple, you can not make accusations stick based on un-proven claims. Falsifying that youtube video has not made me think much of either side- BOTH sides have OBVIOUS forgeries... But then again, they are targetting young minds who don't have the benefit of being able to see through lies.

[saltydog]

Has it escaped everyone's attention that the Ady Gil has sunk..?  Apparently the tow line broke..

[Stuart2007]

Look on the bright side...

There is now an artificial reef for the little fish to live in...

[saltydog]

I'm sure Ady Gil feels like he's in "Brewsters Millions"...
It's one for the lawyers now..

[McGherkin]

Has it escaped everyone's attention that the Ady Gil has sunk..?

No.

[Stuart2007]

I'm sure Ady Gil feels like he's in "Brewsters Millions"...
It's one for the lawyers now..

Perhaps he should consider looking on this forum for an interesting take on the activities of his colleagues...

[saltydog]

I very much doubt he could learn anything from this forum..

[Stuart2007]

I very much doubt he could learn anything from this forum..

I think you might be right.

See? I told you it would happen eventually!