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[TerryRussell]

I think that there are more than enough Titanic topics in the forum already. Personally, I'd be against any new ones being started from now onwards.

[Shipaddict]

I agree with you Terry.

[IRI5HJ4CK]

100% Agreed.

Jack.

[RMS Gigantic]

The problem is that when you say "X is wrong, because I've read/been told Y", unless you have indisputable sources of information, someone will be able to successfuly dispute it (by definition).

If you read my earlier posts in this topic, I say "If Y is correct, X is wrong"

The only reason "if" started getting dropped was that Mad_Fred was starting to sound less like he was doubting the sources. Really, after talking with Mad Fred about a bit of sea trial info off titanic-titanic.com, I became skeptical. It was merely seeing the same figures out of a second source that made me a bit more confident.

Also, about the "taken in yards" issue, if you read where I quote the book, the yards figures are also expressed. It was the same case with when the figures were first found and posted off of titanic-titanic.com.

As for the topic thing, I should probably appologize. I was eager to report a new source and the results of testing, and it slipped my mind.

[Quaysider]

There is of course one other very salient point to note about the real Titanic's crash stop details that you haven't factored in to your Ship sim test - wind and currents - both of which are not present in the game. If the real Titanic's crash stop test was done against a current or head wind she would stop quicker. However this is another piece of data that would be hard to prove one way or the other.

[RMS Gigantic]

True. I did this little test under ideal conditions.

Actually, however when doing these tests in the sea trials, they do it more than once, in different directions, in order to prevent weather and the like from interfering too much.

[TerryRussell]

If you read my earlier posts in this topic, I say "If Y is correct, X is wrong"

And the diference is... ? 

The only reason "if" started getting dropped was that Mad_Fred was starting to sound less like he was doubting the sources. Really, after talking with Mad Fred about a bit of sea trial info off titanic-titanic.com, I became skeptical. It was merely seeing the same figures out of a second source that made me a bit more confident.

The trouble is, that if you trace both of them, you may come back to one source, which may or may not be reliable.

My point is not that I believe or disbelieve. Or care one way or the other, to be honest. But if someone quotes something as "true", then all of my background demands to know how it is proven to be true. It's my Doctoral and post-Doctoral research life that kicks in.

As for the topic thing, I should probably appologize. I was eager to report a new source and the results of testing, and it slipped my mind.

No need to appologise. I was just giving a heads-up in case anyone wanted to start any others.

[firestar12]

Agree. In Dutch we call this "mierenneuken". No offense

Even if that is in Dutch do you think that is really appropriate?

drowning a lot of people in the process.

Oh and Terry, most people didn't  drown, they died of hypothermia.

[RMS Gigantic]

Oh and Terry, most people didn't  drown, they died of hypothermia.

Don't forget crushed! The collapsing funnels and splitting ship claimed some lives, too!

[IRI5HJ4CK]

Actually firestar, your half right half wrong.

Terry is right, lots of people did drown in the process, but your not taking into consideration the fact that many third class passengers were trapped below decks, Firestar.

You are half right as well, since most people did die of hypthermia that fell into the water, or were left there after she went down.

Also, Terry most likely said that as a figure of speach, thats how I took it anyway....

Jack

[RMS Gigantic]

Actually, Jack, the movie over-dramatizes the 3rd class issue. A fair amount of 3rd class passangers survived because they were smart enough to find a way around something if it's blocked. A number of them were even able to use the Grand Staircase and the like to get up to the boat deck.

[Agent|Austin]

Actually, Jack, the movie over-dramatizes the 3rd class issue. A fair amount of 3rd class passangers survived because they were smart enough to find a way around something if it's blocked. A number of them were even able to use the Grand Staircase and the like to get up to the boat deck.

We should all get together and make a realistic movie. :p

[RMS Gigantic]

It would be about time, too!

If they made an accurate movie, it would be the first time Titanic's near miss with the SS New York in Southamton was EVER portrayed in ANY movie!

[Mad_Fred]

Wow.. just think how cool that would be. 

[TerryRussell]

Oh and Terry, most people didn't  drown, they died of hypothermia.

You have the data from what source?

Think about it. If someone is treading water (lack of lifeboats, remember?), and they get hypothermic, they drown though inability to swim long before they die of cold. So based on reasonable probability, most people drowned.

All irrellevant, though. Point is, they died.

[firestar12]

Actually, Jack, the movie over-dramatizes the 3rd class issue. A fair amount of 3rd class passangers survived because they were smart enough to find a way around something if it's blocked. A number of them were even able to use the Grand Staircase and the like to get up to the boat deck.

And what they show with the bench knocking down the gate-that actually happened. A couple of Irishmen did.

[RMS Gigantic]

And what they show with the bench knocking down the gate-that actually happened. A couple of Irishmen did.

Even so, there would have been no sheetrock

[firestar12]

Even so, there would have been no sheetrock

Hehe...

[RMS Gigantic]

No, seriously, the historical commentary of the film says that having that sheetrock is prochronistic!

[Gloat]

VSTEP! PLEASE, IF YOU HEAR THIS, DO NOT INCLUDE TITANIC IN 2010.

That is how angry I am. On every page of this forum, there seems to be a titanic moan or whining because a tiny bit of the ship is missing/wrong! And they mostly are from you, RMSG.

Let be get somthing strait into your mind - Titanic is AT THE LIMIT! One more polygon and the ship will not be able to support the darn thing - I han't read the first poast of this topic yet, because the First thing I notice is that you are moaning about a tiny little mistake! Do you think the modeler gets everything right?

I am sorry, Moderators, and forum members, this is a bit harsh, I know. It is meant to be. Can Vstep please look into excluding Titanic from SS2010, it is causing massive annoyance to me and I think a lot of other members.

PS: Titanic sailed in 1912 - thats nearly a century before. Do you really think that everything you say, RMSG, is correct and other peoples evidence is wrong? People don't know exactly what the colour of Titanics funnels were.

[TerryRussell]

This has absolutely nothing to do with Vessel Dynamics, so I will move it to Small Talk, where it belongs.

[Gloat]

It should belong in "Annoying Titanic Threads"

Anyway, enough of my dissaproval. I hope you have learend a lesson, mate


PS: You said Vstep was REAL CLOSE. Being REAL CLOSE is enough for most people. Its not like Vstep is a cult of angles which get everything right.

[Nathan|C]

I agree - Isn't 1 ship length over accurate enough? Should a VSTEP developer really go into the dynamics and mess around with the dyn just to make it stop 280m shorter 

[Gloat]

RMSG:

Does Titanic go forward? Yes.
Does Titanic go backward? Yes.
Can you walk around the Titanic? Yes.
Does the ship turn? Yes.
Does the ship act when you toggle the wheel or telegraph in the wheelhouse? Yes.
Does smoke come out of its funnels? Yes.

Honestly - that should be more then enough for you.

The ship also comes with two masts, four funnels, a wheelhouse and a hull.

[RMS Gigantic]

RMSG:

Does Titanic go forward? Yes.
Does Titanic go backward? Yes.
Can you walk around the Titanic? Yes.
Does the ship turn? Yes.
Does the ship act when you toggle the wheel or telegraph in the wheelhouse? Yes.
Does smoke come out of its funnels? Yes.

Honestly - that should be more then enough for you.

The ship also comes with two masts, four funnels, a wheelhouse and a hull.

By that logic, Virtual Sailor's model is decent!

Going ahead and astern does not make a ship realistic. How would you like a PoR with a top speed of 2 knots?

As for "close," I am talking about ship length of the Titanic.

If you put it in material units, we are talking about nearly 900 feet, or over 250 meters. Suddelny, it isn't "almost" anymore.