Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator 2008 => Topic started by: RockingMadDog on July 11, 2007, 20:19:33
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what would be the recommended controller that i should use for this game or should i just use the good old keyboard and mouse? I already have a steering wheel with pedals and a controller but thats all
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i think a joy stick would be good :) :)
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joysticks suck,use the good old fashioned keyboard and mouse
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Hi
Many of the modern ships are controlled with joysticks today , If you like realism you should go for the joystick ;) and not the keyboard , at least that's what I think ;D
cheers
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Hi
Many of the modern ships are controlled with joysticks today , If you like realism you should go for the joystick ;) and not the keyboard , at least that's what I think ;D
cheers
sorry for my loss of temeper agaonst that post,i just dont like joystick configurations today,how they snap back to default position,too many buttons,etc. youll understand.
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yeah i know ;)
everyone likes different stuff :)
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yeah i know ;)
everyone likes different stuff :)
true,so very true...
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In SS08 I am using my Logitech G25 steering wheel for Rudder with the paddle shifters for thrusters. I also have my CH throttle Quadrant hooked up and have 2 axis dedicated to Engine 1 and engine 2. the Crane is also controlled with my throttle quadrant which is far better than a keyboard/mouse.
I can now use multiple controllers for multiple functions controlling each engine independently and never have to touch the keyboard.
The controls in SS08 are light years beyond the controls in SS06...
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that throttle quadrant thing is way 2 expensive there is no way i would wanna waste £149.98 on a stupid peice of plastic with some lever things on it
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i found a Saitek AV8R Retro Joystick on amazon. it has mini throttles, a joystick and we switches all for £19.99!!
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link please
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that throttle quadrant thing is way 2 expensive there is no way i would wanna waste £149.98 on a stupid peice of plastic with some lever things on it
It isn't a waste if you do a lot of flight simulation... Everyone has their opinions though. Besides, what is $150 in a setup like this...
http://home.comcast.net/~psolk/3monitorsa.html
The cooling blocks for my video cards alone were $300 LOL
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im looking for something not too expensive and proffesional but something with multiple engine throttles and knobs that will work for bow thrusters and basics like that.
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Really the only thing I know of that fits your requirements with multiple throttles is the Av8tr that Rocking Mad Dog posted. Dollar for Dollar it is definitely your best bet,
-Paul
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is the red switch on the front of the base a switch that can be used for bow thrusters? what about the 4 other black switches? do they go up and down or what can they be used for?
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Also, would this be good if I could get it for a better price?
http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-X52-Flight-Control-System/dp/B00030GSJY/ref=pd_bbs_3/104-0739268-5281554?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1184240415&sr=8-3
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Also, would this be good if I could get it for a better price?
http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-X52-Flight-Control-System/dp/B00030GSJY/ref=pd_bbs_3/104-0739268-5281554?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1184240415&sr=8-3
i think i would like to keep it simple and have realistic throttles for ships like the one i suggested
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Also, would this be good if I could get it for a better price?
http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-X52-Flight-Control-System/dp/B00030GSJY/ref=pd_bbs_3/104-0739268-5281554?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1184240415&sr=8-3
I use it and I think it is very good
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well thats it as soon as ive gathered up 20 quid im gonna buy that joystick
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well thats it as soon as ive gathered up 20 quid im gonna buy that joystick
the retro one?
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yes the retro one everything that ive heard about that one is good
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Well I followed RockingMadDog’s lead on this & got myself a Saitek AV8R Retro Joystick (PC) -
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Saitek-AV8R-Retro-Joystick-PC/dp/B000I62PEK/ref=pd_bbs_1/202-4408955-3871060?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1184855258&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Saitek-AV8R-Retro-Joystick-PC/dp/B000I62PEK/ref=pd_bbs_1/202-4408955-3871060?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1184855258&sr=8-1)
– now for a senior sim player my boat handling skills with keyboard & mouse were erratic to say the least but with the AV8R, after only a couple hours use, I am quite pleased with myself…
Earwigo
Loading containers!!
« on: July 16, 2007, 18:04:26 » Quote
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Hello there,
I am enjoying Ship Sim 2008, but have found a problem with the first container activity in the missions. I successfully can load on the first, third and fourth containers, but when I try to place the second container, the program doesn't record that I have placed it, even though it is where the arrow points. If I carry on playing, when I clear the last container, it still says that there is one more to move.
Is this a bug in that mission, or am I doing something wrong? Incidentally, I've tried placing the container on either side of where the arrow points, but that doesn't work either.
Any help regarding this would be very much appreciated.
Stuart.
This was always happening to me with the keyboard & mouse but the first time I tried it with the AV8R I cracked it & completed the mission…
For £20 the AV8R has improved my enjoyment of SS08 immensely and until a purpose built Ship Control Unit at a sensible price comes on the market then I will continue using it…
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction RockingMadDog
Peter
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I might go for this aswell, cost quite a bit more here in Sweden but it still seems to be good value! :)
My steering wheel and pedals are good but it's hard to sit there holding the throttle for more then 20 minutes without having to amputate your feets :D
They are unbeatable in car games though ;D
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if any of you are really super keen about these controllers or joysticks... have you seen this?
http://raildriver.com/products/shipdriver.php
i imagine it will cost quite alot based on the controller they sell for train sims.
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Abaut the Saitek X-52. If you have the money, it's a very good investement!
I had a X-45 first, that whent well, but the X-52 works much smoother and has more control-options and a nice display for several functions. My mate has the X-52 Pro with the Saitek Flight-pedals, and that just works amazing!
But my geuss is, if you wan't to keep it low-budget, the AV8R will do just fine. ;)
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Just ordered the saitek AV8R yesterday :D
It's called "Joystick Saitek Aviator" in Sweden :)
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if any of you are really super keen about these controllers or joysticks... have you seen this?
http://raildriver.com/products/shipdriver.php
i imagine it will cost quite alot based on the controller they sell for train sims.
Waow ... That seems to be a nice thing ! If the price is equivalent to the price of the train unit, that seems to stay affordable (Last year, Wilco was about to sell a ship control unit, but they finally forgave the project ... It was supposed to cost approximately twice the price of this one !!)
The wilco thing link : http://www.wilcopub.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=prod_scu (this page is not reachable any more on wilco site - a site flight simmers usually know well -, but it's still reachable when you search 'ship control unit' with google.) . You can see the price : 399$, while the train control unit from raildriver is at 169, we can hope the ship control unit from raildriver will cost the same ...
Really a very good piece of news, thanks very much nhoj !!
The only think I would regret with this one is that do not have the possibility to control two rudders separately, and to control two thrusters (bow / aft) separately. That can probably be done with keys anyway ..
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In SS08 I am using my Logitech G25 steering wheel for Rudder with the paddle shifters for thrusters. I also have my CH throttle Quadrant hooked up and have 2 axis dedicated to Engine 1 and engine 2. the Crane is also controlled with my throttle quadrant which is far better than a keyboard/mouse.
I can now use multiple controllers for multiple functions controlling each engine independently and never have to touch the keyboard.
The controls in SS08 are light years beyond the controls in SS06...
Hi,
I'm very much interested in the above setup. Can you give more informations about it as I'm not so keen with setting up the joysticks, wheels etc.
Thanks.
Capt. Marco
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I use a gamepad, very similar to a play station controller, with 2 analogue sticks, a directional pad and 10 other buttons.
It is great for controlling the smaller boats etc. which respond very quickly to throttle and helm changes, but I prefer the keyboard for the bigger ships (sherpa upwards)
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I am still activly developing a ship control unit that will be brought to market, I hope to update you all with details soon.......
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This forum is exactly what I was looking for, so many thanks for showing me the best controllers.
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i just got the game and only my keyboard and mouse works in the game...do i have to change a setting like in ss06? if i do where do i find that cuz i didnt come across it.
thanks
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I use a steering wheel and a gamepad logitech and it works perfect ;D
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I have the same problem as jayhawk, just bought the game, and only my keyboard and mouse work..
How do I get the joystick to work ??? I would like to try it sometime..( a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro)
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salty dog i figured it out. instead of just choosing what your gonna use (mouse joystick etc) like in ss06, you actually have to set the commands yourself by going to options - controls - then under ship controls or crane controls double click on the command and move the joystick or press the button or whatever you know? well hope it helped
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I am thinking of buying a wireless (USB) game pad controllor that has two joysticks, six programable buttons, and a 4 direction key pad..... the kind of thing used in many intense nintendo and type games. Will these kind of things configure properly without a lot of fussing about?
- Richard +
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thanks jayhawk, I had discovered that but it didn't work. Only after I downloaded the patch (1.1) the problem was solved. I take it that everything is ok at your end.. :)
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so the joystick is better, etc.?
But do you need 2 joysticks or only 1.
2 Joy's are usefull for crain operating, en about ship control,,, i dont know.
And i am talking about normal cheap (kinda cheap,) joysticks.
And does Amazon delivers products to the Netherlands?
Because i've calculated +- 20 pounds to euro, and its currently 28 euro's, i ve found this joystick that someone told it was like 20 pounds,
Here is the link, just look at the price (color = red) and the picture.
http://www.conrad.nl/goto/?product=956083 (http://www.conrad.nl/goto/?product=956083)
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yeah salty im all set...i just wish these controlers wernt so damn expensive lol and i had to download the patch too to get my programing to work so your not alone lol
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Glad to hear it jayhawk. I was ogling that Saitek joystick, it does look cool, especially the dual-throttle controls. But I do have some reservations about it. There don't appear to be that many buttons, only 4 and a trigger button. I also wonder about the throttle controls being in the back, with the stick sitting in front of them. It also doesn't seem to have a twist handle rudder, something I find very handy in ShipSim.
No, I think I'll stay with my Logitech Extreme 3D pro, the only con is its relatively small mono-throttle.
Check it out.. :)
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In SS08 I am using my Logitech G25 steering wheel for Rudder with the paddle shifters for thrusters. I also have my CH throttle Quadrant hooked up and have 2 axis dedicated to Engine 1 and engine 2. the Crane is also controlled with my throttle quadrant which is far better than a keyboard/mouse.
I can now use multiple controllers for multiple functions controlling each engine independently and never have to touch the keyboard.
The controls in SS08 are light years beyond the controls in SS06...
I've got the CH Yoke for flight sim but couldn't seem to get it to work in SS08. How did you get your throttle quadrant etc. to work? Did you use CH Manager?
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that throttle quadrant thing is way 2 expensive there is no way i would wanna waste £149.98 on a stupid peice of plastic with some lever things on it
Then don't!!! That is your opinion! There are those of us who DO enjoy using "some lever things". I have about $1,500 wrapped up in my lever things too... but mine has a great deal of purpose.
http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.file?id=536882006&filename=1191127122rBU5TJ.jpg
That's my setup. My TQ is driven by FSUIPC, which is solely a flight sim addon at this point. Perhaps someday there will be a way to utilize it for SS, but for now I'm happy with a combination of joystick / keyboard and mouse.
D r e w :)
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That's a great setup there!
But.. where is your TrackIR?? heheh.. All that bling is nothing if your "head isn't in the game" !!!
;D j/k, awesome hardware!
I'm more of a fighter jock. I make do with a Saitek X52. Though I would love something like this. But hey, we can't all be on the same budget.
For shipsim I use both the throttle quadrant from my X52 (controls enigne, with thruster controls on the two rotary knobs) and my old Logitech wingman steering wheel. (with the pedals left off). I got a G-25 too but that's a bit too bulky to keep putting on and off the desk and is stuck to a racing rig I built.
As far as costs go, if you want a relatively cheap throttle quadrant, you can check out ebay, or see if they still sell the older Saitek HOTAS units like the X45, the throttle does fine plus you have a load of knobs and switches and several modes so enough axis for all the controls. They should be pretty cheap now, and you can find alot of cheap second hand steering wheels on ebay and the likes. Just a thought.
Joysticks, gamepads etc are handy, but with some levers and wheels it just gets more immersive. Well that's my 2 cents anyways.
Regards,
Fred
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A thing to consider is if your computer will accept non-USB controllers..Mine doesn't, so I had to get rid of my old js to buy one with usb.. ;)
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Good point.
A lot of the "older" controllers that have a gameport plug come with an adapter though. I had those shipped with almost all of the old controllers I bought. (old ones, not the really really antiquated ones heh heh)
one of these:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/DFS_MadFred/image01.jpg)
They are a bit cheaper than a new joystick or w/e. ;)
Fred
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I had tried that MadFred, it didn't work... :'( I suspect it has to do with the configuration of the motherboard..
Maybe there is a way around it, I just went out and bought a new js. :)
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Ah ok, well unfortunatly it indeed doesnt just work with any old stick or wheel or what have ya.., some just don't work like that.
But then I reckon it did not come with a converter when you bought it. Cause all that do will work like that and I don't think it has anything to do with the motherboard but with the wiring of the cable.
at least, i think so..
But anyways, I didnt mean to imply that you overlooked that or anything, I meant it as a general remark :) For those who didnt know...
Fred
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Thanks, I didn't mean anything by it either.. :D
Just got off the phone with the computer-shop, apparently the motherboard does allow one connection with an "old style controller", but I would need a different sound-card. Hmmm, I'll have to think about it..I still have an old steering wheel controller lying around somewhere, it might be perfect for ShipSim..
Anyway, thanks for the response.. ;D
Edited: I may have found a solution..a USB gameport-adapter meant to connect older gamecontrollers to newer computers.. It goes from 15-pins to USB..
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hey PSOLK,how did you get ya CHquadrant to work the throttles
does it need special configering?in the root files I mean
tried through controller settings but didnt work
any suggestions? using momo wheel and peddles for throtts at mo
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Waow ... That seems to be a nice thing ! If the price is equivalent to the price of the train unit, that seems to stay affordable (Last year, Wilco was about to sell a ship control unit, but they finally forgave the project ... It was supposed to cost approximately twice the price of this one !!)
Why does no one mention that this is PI Engineering. Every one always says this or that company. Say there name. Let them no how you feel. BTW the ShipDriver is pure garbage. There is a better one here that is out now.
http://www.simw.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=dsp_product_details&pid=2216
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I CAN'T BELIEVE I JUST READ THAT THR SHIP DRIVER IS NOT COMING OUT UNTIL WINTER OF 2010. WHAT IN GODS NAME IS SO DIFFICULT TO MAKE SINCE YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR TWO YEARS.YOU MUST HAVE A VERY SMALL COMPANY TO TAKE THIS LONG TO PRODUCE THIS DRIVER SINCE YOU HAVE THE RAILDRIVER THAT LOOKS LIKE A TWIN TO THE SHIP, LESS A WHEEL INSTEAD OF A THROTLE. I REALLY DON'T THINK YOU WILL EVER PRODUCE THIS SHIP DRIVER. SORRY TO HEAR THIS BAD NEWS. I HAVE THE RAILDRIVER AND IT WORKS FINE. WE NOW HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WINTER OF 2010. SAD SAD COMPANY. TOO BAD ANOTHER COMPANY BEAT YOU TO THE PUNCH.
Let me tell you a little secret, the shipdriver you're mentioning in your post isnt coming out in the winter of 2010.... it's been cancelled ::)
There is a slighty different one out now, you can see it (and order) on the shipsim website.
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I CAN'T BELIEVE I JUST READ THAT THR SHIP DRIVER IS NOT COMING OUT UNTIL WINTER OF 2010. WHAT IN GODS NAME IS SO DIFFICULT TO MAKE SINCE YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR TWO YEARS.YOU MUST HAVE A VERY SMALL COMPANY TO TAKE THIS LONG TO PRODUCE THIS DRIVER SINCE YOU HAVE THE RAILDRIVER THAT LOOKS LIKE A TWIN TO THE SHIP, LESS A WHEEL INSTEAD OF A THROTLE. I REALLY DON'T THINK YOU WILL EVER PRODUCE THIS SHIP DRIVER. SORRY TO HEAR THIS BAD NEWS. I HAVE THE RAILDRIVER AND IT WORKS FINE. WE NOW HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WINTER OF 2010. SAD SAD COMPANY. TOO BAD ANOTHER COMPANY BEAT YOU TO THE PUNCH.
Which is even more sad to see when someone pops in to the hopelessly dead topic & shouts like in the Zoo.
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You can shout in the Zoo..? :)
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You can shout in the Zoo..? :)
Just a phrase here... Something like: "You're not an ape in the zoo, to shout like that!" ;D
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Aah..I was afraid to scare those furry things there.. ;)
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Aah..I was afraid to scare those furry things there.. ;)
;D