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English forum => Small talk => The Chat Lounge => Topic started by: dexter7 on July 15, 2011, 18:36:29
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I was just thinking of getting a new processor for my laptop. Is this a good one?
(http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=25995.0;attach=97600;image)
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The Core i3 (in the Dxdiag) is a more powerful one but it has a low clock speed (for SSE). The AMD processor's clock speed is a lot better. It is a known fact that AMD processors tend to generate more heat than Intel processors. A USB cooling pad would be useful then for your laptop.
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so vin your are saying i found the right processor?
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Yeah, Dex .... it should be good. If you see the System Requirements of SSE the emphasis is on the clock speed of 3 Ghz (Intel or AMD equivalent ). My desktop has an AMD processor and it has been performing well but I had to replace the stock fan it came with, with an aftermarket cooling fan. Just keep monitoring temperatures. SSE does make quite a demand on the processor.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa ...... just a moment ! Your laptop has an Intel processor right now isn't it ? Then I quite doubt if the motherboard will be able to accept an AMD processor. The sockets are different.
Sorry ... it did not occur to me earlier ! :doh:
I also see from your Dxdiag that you have on board graphics. SSE requires a separate graphics card !!
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I'm not going to argue with you like in the computer topic ;) :captain: but is there an Intel processor out there for a reasonable price and clock-speed?
uh-oh another question... what do you mean by "SSE requires a separate graphics card !!"?
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Well Dex ...... I checked out and there are Intel processors for laptops. I saw in the Intel website that they don't seem to have a 3.0 Ghz processor for a laptop. It was a quick look though. Let me check again later.
As for the graphics .... there is always support for graphics on the motherboard. But this is not good enough for gaming. Newer laptops come with a separate graphics card and this is what SSE requires. Your laptop does not have this "separate" graphics card.
Generally speaking, laptops are not recommended for graphic intense gaming
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Yeah I've heard that many times before. Man I should have bought a computer that had the right stuff. :(
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yep i bought the wrong computer http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei7ee/mobile/index.htm (http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei7ee/mobile/index.htm) this is intel best processor...
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Alright vin... i found a good desktop, slim and sleek, but don't know about the graphics card
512MB DDR3 AMD Radeon HD 6450 [DVI, HDMI. VGA adapter]
1GB DDR3 AMD Radeon HD 6450 [DVI, HDMI. VGA adapter]
1GB DDR3 NVIDIA GeForce GT520 [DVI, HDMI, VGA adapter]
2GB DDR3 NVIDIA GeForce GT 530 [DVI, HDMI, VGA adapter]
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Graphic cards with I GB Video RAM has almost become "entry level" these days. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th graphic cards in your list are good ones.
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well obviously i want the cheapest that actually works so thanks vin! :thumbs:
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Graphic cards with I GB Video RAM has almost become "entry level" these days. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th graphic cards in your list are good ones.
Hi Dex,
Sorry, I had rushed into that answer. On the contrary, though those cards are reasonably priced, their ranking is way below compared to the HD 4850 that is recommended for SSE.
If you are opting for an HD Radeon you can consider the HD 5670 ($ 75) or the HD 5750 ($ 115) or the HD 5770 ($ 120)
Among the GTs, you can consider the GTS 250 or the GTS 450 (both $ 100)
Hope this suits your budget.
Regards
vin_sun
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Whoa, Whoa, Whoa! Hold on a second, is there a possible way to change the mother board so it can house the Radeon processor? ??? ??? ??? Because I don't want to go buying a new computer not knowing mine can be saved
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Dex ..... I need some more information about that desktop you found. Can you give me a link to it ?
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http://www.shopping.hp.com/series/category/desktops/s5xt_series/3/computer_store?jumpid=in_r329_personalization/browse1/home_SDP (http://www.shopping.hp.com/series/category/desktops/s5xt_series/3/computer_store?jumpid=in_r329_personalization/browse1/home_SDP)
but vin, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa! Hold on a second, is there a possible way to change the mother board so it can house the Radeon processor? ??? ??? ??? Because I don't want to go buying a new computer not knowing mine can be saved
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Hi Dex,
Branded desktops (the bigger names) are not ideally suited for gaming. HP never gives a mid range graphics card with their desktops. The choices for the graphics are those which you had mentioned earlier and I had confirmed that they do not suit SSE. Though replacing the card is another option, this particular desktop (in your message above) has another hitch and that is it has a low powered PSU (power supply unit) - only 220 watts. Graphics cards are dependent on a stable and high wattage units and I personally consider 500 Watts and above for a gaming computer.
What is your budget ? I could look around and recommend components - but you will need somebody to assemble it. Would you also require a monitor and Windows 7 ?
Regards
vin_sun
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I have a least 700$ (i make money fast :P) and yes i have a very good friend that could assemble it.
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I have a least 700$ (i make money fast :P) and yes i have a very good friend that could assemble it.
OK Dex .... give me some time and I'll rig up something for you. Do you need a monitor & Windows 7 too ?
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win.7 is a must and i do have a rather small moniter
but remember this isn't final
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Hi Dex,
Please see the config in the attachment. I must admit I could not squeeze it all in your budget of $ 700. I have referred to www.newegg.com for pricing.
Regards
vin_sun
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Alright I'll take note on that. Thanks
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just to bounce back on your original post, that amd processor is not going to work in your laptop as you currently have an intel system. AMD and intel use 2 different socket types, and it would be a totally different motherboard
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vin_sun beat you to that ;)
Whoa, whoa, whoa ...... just a moment ! Your laptop has an Intel processor right now isn't it ? Then I quite doubt if the motherboard will be able to accept an AMD processor. The sockets are different.
Sorry ... it did not occur to me earlier ! :doh:
I also see from your Dxdiag that you have on board graphics. SSE requires a separate graphics card !!
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Ah missed that
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alright, just letting you know
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Hello! I am getting an new graphics card for my old desktop but I don't don't know how big it is... :-\ Is that something to take into consideration? ??? I want a good graphics card but not worth a fortune so does anyone have any suggestions? I have a Geforce 7050 / Nforce 620i
The reason I'm changing stuff in my old desktop is that I don't want to buy a completely new desktop for way more than what new stuff would cost.
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Hi dexter7
There is more to it than that how old is desktop is the power pack in it
big enough to support a bigger card .
For Vin-Sun or one of the others to help you better post dxdiag of desktop
Eric
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For Vin-Sun or one of the others to help you better post dxdiag of desktop
Eric
He did that at beginning of this topic.
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He did that at beginning of this topic.
No VS ........ that Dxdiag was of his laptop !
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No VS ........ that Dxdiag was of his laptop !
Oh, my bad.
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here...
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here...
The clocking speed is 1.6 wheras 3.0 or higher is required.
Also your video card is a GeForce 7050, while a GeForce 8800 or higher is required.
So because of this, don't hope SSE will run very smoothly.
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I'm all set for the processor, what is a cheap graphics card that is above 8800
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Ehm, you also have to know... processors are never that cheap.
A good processor with a clockingspeed of, let's say, 3.0 GHz can be as much as 400 or 500 euro's here in Holland. :o
As for the videocard. Those aren't that expensive, but I have a 9600 in my PC and that one was around 150 euro's or so.
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Hmm here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116385) I found a great 3.2 GHz processor for 76$ on newegg :2thumbs: (I think you can figure out what that is in euros)
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Hmm here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116385) I found a great 3.2 GHz processor for 76$ on newegg :2thumbs: (I think you can figure out what that is in euros)
I think Vin_Sun should have a look at this.
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yeah vin_sun is the computer guy :doh:
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Hello Dex,
The processor is good. It's a dual core and the clock speed of 3.2 GHz will suit SSE fine. I need to check out other things about your desktop. Will get back to you.
vin_sun
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Hello Dex,
Your Acer Veriton desktop is a bit ancient. Branded PCs are not very "cooperative" when it comes to upgrading.
These are my observations:-
- Though your choice for the processor is good, you have to figure out if the the motherboard can accept it. It has a suitable socket but motherboards have limitations on the clock speeds of the processor they can accept. In a branded computer one never gets to know the brand of the motherboard so it becomes difficult to figure about the processor compatibility. I wonder if you have any literature that came with the PC that can confirm this.
- You are low on RAM too. Further it is DDR2 as I saw for the Veriton on the Net. DDR2 is almost bidding farewell now and has been superseded by DDR3.
- The graphics card is simply too ancient. It ranks way way way down than the GT 8800 recommended for SSE. Then again just changing the graphics card is not the entire solution. It has to have a suitable PSU (power supply unit). I checked on the Net and it says the Veriton has a 200/300 Watts PSU. This rating is rather low for a gaming computer.
You may have to check with the Acer dealer about the upgradability. I know all this is not very encouraging but this is what computers are all about. They become 'old' in a very short span of time. Even I had to sell my earlier PC for a low price and configure a new one just to suit SSE.
Regards
vin_sun
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Ancient, hmm. About the Graphics card, is the GeForce 9400 gt (http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9400gt_us.html) suitable? And I'll tear up my house looking for any "literature" that came with it.
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Ancient, hmm. About the Graphics card, is the GeForce 9400 gt (http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9400gt_us.html) suitable? And I'll tear up my house looking for any "literature" that came with it.
Yep, that's a better card and is suitable.
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is this (http://support.acer.com/acerpanam/desktop/0000/Acer/VeritonM264/VeritonM264sp2.shtml) what you are looking for?
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No, the clockingspeed and the graphics are again too low.
Just keep in mind that the graphics card has to be NVIDIA 8800 GT or higher and that the clocking speed must be 3,0 GHz or higher.
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@VS
Dexter was making reference to the "literature" I was asking if he had about his PC. It is the same PC his Dxdiag showed. :lol:
@ Dexter
is this what you are looking for?
Well that was the same thing I had referred to on the Net when offering my comments in reply above. When I said "literature", I meant the User Manual. You have to know for sure as to the clock speed limitation of the processor compatible with the motherboard that Acer has installed in the PC. I will see if I can find this info.
As for the Geforce 9400 GT ....... sorry, but still far away from the Geforce 8800 GT that SSE recommends. The 8800 GT's current ranking is 101 and the 9400 GT is at 382.
vin_sun
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can you give me a list of graphics cards with a good ranking?
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Is this what you're looking for?
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Is this what you're looking for?
I just ran into the same manual on the Net and unfortunately it is just a general user guide for most of Acers desktops and not the Veriton in particular.
I suggest you call Acer Support in USA and see if they can tell you about the processor limitations I have been stressing upon. However my searches showed that there were Veritons with the Intel Dual Core processor, but the clock speed was at 2.4 Ghz. I cannot tell for sure but it is a possibility that the Veriton M264 cannot accept a processor with a clock speed over 2.4 Ghz.
I will look for a graphics card too (close to the 8800 GT), but I am sure they will need a PSU of a higher wattage. But what is your budget for the card ?
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can you supply me a list of graphics cards suitable for SSE
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Hello Dex,
Here is the link to the website I refer to for rankings. It is updated often. Prices for some cards are quoted but I suggest you check at Newegg or TigerDirect.
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php
In this website, you can click on any of the column headings and arrange the data in ascending / descending or alphabetic / numerical order. Since the Geforce 8800GT has a ranking of 101 try and avoid going below that. The other recommended card by SSE is the Radeon HD 4850 and that has a rank of 63 but you can choose one with a rank of 70 too. The concept is to stay as close as possible to the cards recommended for SSE. Needless to say, your budget also matters. If you do home down on a card, check its power requirements (watts). As your Acer Veriton has a low wattage PSU, the better cards may not be suitable. Don't ever risk popping in a card whose wattage requirements are high. The capacitors of the card will eventually blow and this is not covered under warranty.
Further, do not select any card which has 'Mobile' or 'Mobility' in it. These are for laptops.
vin_sun
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Wait why did you say Radeon? I have a GeForce.
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Wait why did you say Radeon? I have a GeForce.
Yes, I am aware of that. Geforce and Radeon are two big names in the graphics card industry. You can choose either of them. Any of them will fit into the slot provided for the graphics card on the motherboard.
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Great!
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Is CyberPower a good brand for gaming computers?
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Looking on Amazon, I was looking at this i5 processor (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Sandybridge-i5-2500-Quad-Core-Processor/dp/B004FA8NNW/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I2WQJLNVY924UI&colid=Y40X6VY62ET7)
However, under the recommended for you section it come up with this
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003FVI2KQ/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d0_g147_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0GHY8JZDCG41GWVP9Y2M&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467128533&pf_rd_i=468294)
3.2GHz, and SIX Cores! and cheaper then the i5
BUT
does anyone know if it is any good...?
Many Thanks
TFM
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AMD processors are good but Intel does have an edge over them.
AMD processors are cheaper than Intel ones.
Heat build up in AMD is higher and you may have to invest in an after market cooler fan to replace the stock fan which comes with the processor.
AMD sockets on motherboards retain their size so it is easier to transfer an AMD processor from one motherboard to another (in the event you are upgrading the motherboard). Whenever Intel releases a new processor there is a probability that it may not fit in the socket of your existing motherboard and you may have to change the motherboard too. (Motherboards are manufactured either for the AMD processor or the Intel processor. The socket dimensions vary)
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Ahh OK thanks :)
would the six cores be better then the four i5 cores?
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Hi TFM,
Reading this may explain some things .......
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/power_six
Regards
vin_sun
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Ahh thanks very much :)
3D Modeling
This is the where the Phenom X6 1090T shines the brightest. The 1090T aces both the Core i5-750 and Core i7-860 in Cinebench 10 and 11.5, and POV Ray 3.7. It even manages to outpace the $562 Core i7-870 in POV Ray and Cinebench 11.5.
;D
Very handy...
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ahh the way people ignore me :doh:
If cyberpower is a decent gaming computer manufacturer, I put together a little thing for a surprising 699!
here you go, can I call you vinny?
Case: CoolerMaster Elite 430 Mid-Tower Gaming Case with Side Panel Window
Internal USB Extension Module: None
Neon Light Upgrade: None
Extra Case Fan Upgrade: Default case fans
Noise Reduction Technology: None
CPU: Intel® Core™ i3-2100 3.10 GHz 3M Intel Smart Cache LGA1155 [-96]
Venom Boost Fast And Efficient Factory Overclocking: No Overclocking
Cooling Fan: Asetek 510LC Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Enhanced Cooling Performance + Extreme Silent at 20dBA) (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
Coolant for Cyberpower Xtreme Hydro Water Cooling Kits: Standard Coolant
Motherboard: * [CrossFireX] GigaByte GA-Z68A-D3-B3 Intel Z68 Chipset DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ Intel Smart Response Technology & 7.1 Dolby Home Theater Audio, GbLAN, USB3.0, 2x SATA-III RAID, 2 Gen2 PCIe, 3 PCIe X1 & 2 PCI (All Venom OC Certified)
Intel Smart Response Technology for Z68: None
Memory: 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Module (Corsair or Major Brand)
Video Card: AMD Radeon HD 6770 1GB GDDR5 16X PCIe Video Card (Major Brand Powered by ATI)
Freebies: None
Video Card 2: None
Video Card 3: None
Dedicated PHYSX Card: None
Multiple Video Card Settings: Non-SLI/Non-CrossFireX Mode Supports Multiple Monitors
Power Supply Upgrade: 600 Watts - XtremeGear Power Supply - SLI/CrossFireX Ready
Hard Drive: 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Hard Drive)
Data Hard Drive: None
Hard Drive Cooling Fan: None
External Hard Drive (USB3.0/2.0/eSATA): None
USB Flash Drive: None
Optical Drive: 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR)
Optical Drive 2: None
Sound: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
3D Vision Glasses: None
Freebies: None
LCD Monitor: None
2nd Monitor: None
3rd Monitor: None
Speakers: None
Network: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
Network Switch: None
Keyboard: Xtreme Gear (Black Color) Multimedia/Internet USB Keyboard
Mouse: XtremeGear Optical USB 3 Buttons Gaming Mouse
Mouse Pad: None
Gaming Gear: None
Extra Thermal Display: None
Wireless 802.11B/G Network Card: None
External Wireless Network Card: None
Wireless 802.11 B/G/N Access Point: None
Bluetooth: None
Flash Media Reader/Writer: INTERNAL 12in1 Flash Media Reader/Writer (BLACK COLOR)
Video Camera: None
Headset: None
Printer: None
Cable: None
Power Protection: None
Surge Protector: Ultra U12-40629 7 Outlet Surge Protector Black 6 Individual On/Off Switch [+20]
IEEE1394 Card: None
Internal USB Port: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
USB Port: None
Operating System: None - FORMAT HARD DRIVE ONLY
Media Center Remote Control & TV Tuner: None
Office Suite: None
Games: None
Ultra Care Option: None
Service: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
Rush Service: NO; READY TO SHIP IN 5~10 BUSINESS DAYS
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Hi Dex,
Sorry, I could not comment earlier by just the brand name. Now that you have given details of the config I can say it is good .......
- The processor is at 3.1 Ghz
- RAM is adequate at 4 GB and I am sure it can be increased if required
- Graphics card - Radeon Series 6 ..... good
- Hard disk - good capacity at 1 TB
- PSU - no mention about one fitted but I suppose the right one has been fitted .... check if it is at least 500W
- MoBo - Gigabyte is a good brand and is used in gaming computers
- Cooling system - liquid cooling systems are efficient but have a projection behind the casing which is the tank which holds the coolant. Make sure you have adequate space in the location where you intend placing the computer casing to allow for this protrusion. Hope you are comfortable with liquid passing by in pipes inside the computer. You have to keep a check on the coolant level in the tank.
- USB ports - no mention, but there should be some USB ports which have easy access. Normally they will be on the front panel of the casing. Do confirm.
- OS (Windows) - not included! This will be an additional expense for you.
Regards
Vinny :D
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Power Supply Upgrade: 600 Watts - XtremeGear Power Supply - SLI/CrossFireX Ready
Dexter...after a quick google it seems that XtremeGear PSU's are not that reliable and is advisable to change it to a well known brand that is known for quality such as Corsair.
Apart from the PSU everything looks good :thumbs:
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Ralphy / Dexter
You may notice, the Xtremegear PSU is being offered as an 'upgrade'. In my opinion, since it is a Coolermaster casing, the PSU being supplied may be a Coolermaster too and of about 500 Watts. It may be for this reason that an upgrade to a 600 Watt is being offered.
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Just been looking on the website that he's useing and the defualt is a 450W, there are quite a few options for PSU's and one stood out was a 600W Coolermaster which is 80 plus gold rated so will be suitable for long periods of time on high loads
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no i just checked and it's 600W
also there goes my $699!
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OK my PC is really playing up, so planning on upgrading now...
so
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T 3.20GHz (http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/AMD+Phenom+II+X6+1090T+3.20GHz+Black+Edition+%28Socket+AM3%29+Processor+-+Retail+?productId=40096)
Motherboard (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/AMD+AM3%2B+%28900+Chipset%29/ASUS+M5A97+PRO+AMD+970A+%28Socket+AM3%2B%29+DDR3+PCI-Express+ATX+Motherboard+?productId=44770)
RAM (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR3/Dual+Channel+1600MHz/8GB+Corsair+Memory+XMS3+DDR3+1600+MHz+CAS+9+Dual+Channel+Desktop+-+CMX8GX3M2A1600C9+?productId=43431)
Does this look OK? Will it play SSE ok? Also will it fit my Asus nVIDIA 3D GeForce GTX 550 TI DirectCu Graphics Card (1GB)?
And Will my 500 Watt Power be enough?
Thanks,
TFM
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CPU (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/CPUs+%2F+Processors/AMD+Phenom+II/AMD+Phenom+II+X6+1090T+3.20GHz+Black+Edition+%28Socket+AM3%29+Processor+-+Retail+?productId=40096)
You will have to pay an extra £4 now as the superspecial deal is over. But apart from that it should be ok. and just to warn you there is only 1 keyboard/mouse connection in that so either the mouse or keyboard will have to be USB
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Mouse is already USB ;)
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Hi TFM,
The choices are good and will be suitable for running SSE.
The PSU is about adequate. I figured from an online PSU calculator, you will require a minimum of 471 Watts.
MoBo is good too but I notice these days that they don't come with on board video. This does have a slight disadvantage as in the event of a graphics card failure you will get no video signals. If you did have on board video you can connect the video cable of your monitor to the MoBo and continue using the computer, but of course you will not be able to play any graphics hungry games.
vin_sun
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Ahh
OK Thanks
is it worth getting one with a onboard graphics card?
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is it worth getting one with a onboard graphics card?
Let's say with 'on board graphics' .... it's not a card as such but there is a kind of a graphics processor which is embedded into the motherboard and will be good enough for doing regular stuff like Office applications, surfing the Net, watching DVD movies and may be even burning disks.
Personally, I would always opt for a motherboard with on board graphics as it is a sure shot solution for a busted graphics card.
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Ahh OK thanks :)
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@ TFM
Here is a MoBo with on board graphics
(http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb477/vin_sun/MoBo.jpg)
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Ahh OK Thanks :)
How is this one? (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/AMD+AM3%2B+%28900+Chipset%29/ASUS+M5A99X+EVO+AMD+990X+%28Socket+AM3%2B%29+DDR3+PCI-Express+ATX+Motherboard+?productId=44760)
Graphics interface: 2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 slots (Single@x16 speed; Dual@x8/x8 speed)
Also, will I be able to fit my Graphics Card and my USB expansion Card?
Expansion Slots: 1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 slot (Black@x4 speed), 2 x PCIe 2.0 x1 slots, 1 x PCI slot.
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No on board video on the - ASUS M5A99X EVO !!!!
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Ahh OK
I think I have found one
Motherboard (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/AMD+AM3%2B+Ready/Asus+M5A88-M+AMD+880+%28Socket+AM3%29+DDR3+PCI-Express+Motherboard+?productId=45540)
Any good? Surprisingly the cheaper ones have them, and the expensive ones don't (not that I am complaining... xD)
Will it fit my Graphics Card and my multi-USB that fits in the Expansion slot?
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Yes, this one - ASUS M5A88-M - has on board video.
It also has one PCI slot and that can be used for your USB expansion card.
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Ahh OK
Thanks very much :)
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Yes, this one - ASUS M5A88-M - has on board video.
It also has one PCI slot and that can be used for your USB expansion card.
Been thinking...
If it only has one expansion slot, can it have my Graphics card AND my USB expansion card? I assume I wouldn't be able to buy a sound card for it though?
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@TFM
It does have the PCI-E slot which will take your graphics card.
Do you really want a sound card? This MoBo includes 7.1 Ch HD Audio (as on board audio) and it can punch in some really good sound. I have observed these days, sound cards are losing their popularity they once had due to the 'on board' provision. Nevertheless less keep exploring MoBos and see if you can find one with at least two PCI slots. The bulky size of some graphics cards at times blocks the PCI slot rendering it useless.
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Thanks
So this one looks like ut has a few expansion Sockets
Motherboard (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/AMD+AM3%2B+Ready/Asus+M5A88-V+EVO+AMD+880+(Socket+AM3)+DDR3+PCI-Express+Motherboard+?productId=45535)
I know whatyou mean about the Graphics Cards - the one I have takes up to slots, one half has the sockets, the other is fan ventillation... :doh:
I was asking about Sound Cards because I was looking around, and a website says they can improve sound quality, and also (and more importantly) improve games FPS as they apparently take a little bit of the strain of the processor (I think it was the processor) as they are doing the sound instead...
Thanks very much :)
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@TFM
This MoBo has it all - 3 PCI slots, 2 PCI-E slots and on board video.
I have an ASUS MoBo too and the architecture is almost the same. I have placed the graphics card on the upper PCI-E 2.0 slot and that has rendered two PCI slots unusable due to the projections on the graphics card, mainly the fan. The PCI-E 2.0 slot at the bottom would not be recommended for the graphics card as the fan would be too close to the bottom panel of the casing and you could have cooling issues. That leaves you with just one PCI slot free !!
I do see some truth in installing a discrete sound card to lower the 'load' on the processor. You can rig up a good Creative or Altec Lansing set of speakers for good quality sound.
So to sum up, I quite doubt any mobo will expose all the PCI slots it has if a graphics card is fitted. That you have at least one now, I think you should say you're quite fortunate. :lol:
Do keep in mind that AMD processors tend to heat up more than Intel. I've been told that they put the same stock cooling fan on both the low end and the high end processors. Do not neglect increased noise from the processor fan. This used to happen especially when I used to play SSE. Temperatures don't actually shoot up dangerously but the noise can be .... well "noisy" ! ;D I replaced the stock cooler fan with an after market Cooler Master fan and it has made a big difference. The fan is quite bulky, so do have a fair idea of the space available inside your casing before buying one.
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Ahh OK thanks very much
I had read that heating was a issue, and was looking at this fan (http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heatsinks%2C+Coolers/CPU+Coolers/be+quiet%21+Dark+Rock+Advanced+CPU+Cooler+?productId=43590)
Nut what would be the best way to know if it will be a suitable fit?
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If you see the technical details, it says the height is 167 mm. To ascertain, if you have this space inside your casing you have to remove the stock cooling fan to expose the processor. Take a strip of stiff paper/cardboard 167 mm in length and place it lightly on the processor, pointing toward the open space created when you took off the side panel of the casing. This should give you a fair idea if the fan will project out of the casing or not. Bear in mind the side cover may have a hood / cone designed to point directly towards the processor and it's stock cooling fan. Check if this hood / cone can be dismantled to allow for the aftermarket cooling fan's height / projection.
I suppose 'Dark Rock' may be a known brand in U.K. but one of the best names in after market cooling fans is Arctic Cooling. I observed it is there in the 'Aria' website you have given a link to and is priced at £ 19.40 . The height is 130 mm
This is the Cooler Master I have installed. The height is 139 mm and is priced at £15.50 @ Aria.
http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6602
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Ahh OK
Thanbks for the advice
Will have a look at the Artic Cooling then
Are they fairly quite fans?
Thanks
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Are they fairly quite fans?
Generally speaking, after market cooling fans are fairly quiet. The manufacturers lay emphasis on this aspect as a sales pitch !! I wouldn't say it's just a whisper .... you will hear it whirring but the noise level is acceptable especially after what an overworked stock cooling fan delivers.
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Ahh OK
Thanks very much for all the advice :)
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You're welcome ! Questions also give me an opportunity to research the Net for answers !! ;D
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I've got the same cooler as you, :thumbs: they're a good budget cooler.
Also I think we should rename this topic :angel:
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I've got the same cooler as you, :thumbs: they're a good budget cooler.
Also I think we should rename this topic :angel:
Good to know someone has a cooling fan like mine and has a positive opinion of it.
I feel the Forum needs a board called "Computer related matters" ;D
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I think it does too :thumbs:
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vinny, is there a SSE suitable Graphics Card that can run on 300Watts?
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is there a SSE suitable Graphics Card that can run on 300Watts?
Dex .... looking at what is recommended for SSE, the Geforce 8800 GT requires a 400 Watt PSU and the ATI Radeon 4850 requires a 450 Watt PSU.
There may be some older cards which require only 300 Watts, but it would be below the Sys Req of SSE.
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My PC was very thirsty earlier so I gave it a whole cup of milk to drink :doh:
It seemed to enjoy it's drink...after several hours of drying out. ::)
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What are the risks of going below system requirements of SSE?
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What are the risks of going below system requirements of SSE?
-The game may not open
-Jerky movement
-Low FPS
-Frequent crashes
To name some ........
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can i upgrade the PSU in a computer?
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can i upgrade the PSU in a computer?
Yes, you can ..... but that's not the whole story. The other components like the processor, RAM and graphics card matter a lot for the game to perform well. If you read the System Requirements of any game, no reference is made to the PSU. But a stable PSU with a high wattage matters a lot for a gaming computer. I have seen what a cheap and a low wattage PSU can do to a graphics card.
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So would you say Buying a new computer is more logical than restoring an old one?
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So would you say Buying a new computer is more logical than restoring an old one?
Dex ... it's all about Core i7s and Phenom II X6 , DDR3 RAM, 1GB graphic cards, 600W PSUs, 27" LED monitors ...... today.
Games too are being designed with all this hardware in mind. Upgrading is OK up to a point but all the components must go hand-in-hand with each other.
I got my first PC in 1997 and today I'm with the fifth one. Intel is contemplating incorporating the graphics card into the processor itself and if that happens a PC may not require a graphics card again. The popularity of the sound card has diminished greatly as the 'on board' audio is of HD quality.
It's quite like how the CRT TV has given away to the LCD / LED flat screen TV. The PC has almost become like any other household appliance which needs to be replaced after some years. PC sales have dropped a bit since the advent of the "tablet". Welcome to the "use-and-throw" world !!
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Well I've been trying to lower the price a bit
will this work?
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Processor - good
RAM - adequate
OS - Included
Graphics card (HD 5450) - ranks way below HD 4850 recommended for SSE
Are you looking at Cyberpower PC? What is your budget ?
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Would the geforce GT 430 work?
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I'd still suggest changing the PSU to a corsair one. Your XtremeGear is apparently a very low quality generic PSU which won't last as long, and won't provide the 700W that it states. People have reported that they only last about a year before you have to replace them and when they do go they may take other components with it. :-\
Where as a well-known brand which costs more there are fail-safes which will prevent damage to your components in the less-likely event of it going kaput. Better quality PSU's will also produce their advertised wattage so you know what they are capable off. Corsair is a well known brand which produce quality products, Coolermaster produce cheaper PSU's than Corsair and have head mixed reviews on if they are safe to use in a high value machine.
What I'm trying to get at is if you get a cheap PSU there is a chance that it could die and damage your other components so I'd change it for a better PSU :thumbs:
Just read up somewhere and it said the 700W XtremeGear actually produces more around 450W so it is a bit misleading >:(
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Would the geforce GT 430 work?
Low ranking and still well below the 8800 GT recommended for SSE.
Ralphy is right about the PSU brand. Corsair is the best. I have a Coolermaster and in about a month's time it will be a year old. So far so good.
If it's Cyberpower you are still looking at, I think their prices go up because they seem to be giving liquid cooling for most of their configs.
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Can you name a good brand?
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a good brand Graphics card or PSU?
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none of those i meant a computer manufacturer
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none of those i meant a computer manufacturer
Explore these websites ......
http://computershopper.com/
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/guidedSearch.asp?CatId=6&sel=Detail%3B163_1173_24023_24023
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So you said not to go with cyberpower hmm
would the ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD 6450 1GB work?
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no one said not to go with cyberpower, I just said change the PSU
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would the ATI Radeonâ„¢ HD 6450 1GB work?
It has a low rank of 373 !!! I read somewhere that it is not a card for gaming.
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oh, alright... next time please don't yell
too bad I can't report to moderator because you are a moderator!
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is it possible i could change the os on my netbook/notebook?
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oh, alright... next time please don't yell
too bad I can't report to moderator because you are a moderator!
I don't know how the above reply skipped my eyes in the past but I noticed it just today.
Your first answer on August 29th was just "oh, alright ......"
On Sept 1st you have edited it and added "next time please don't yell" and a very fine print below reads - "too bad I can't report to moderator because you are a moderator"
Please clarify what you mean by this "yelling" bit. I have checked all my previous replies and there is no hint of any "yelling" from my side.
vin_sun
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It has a low rank of 373 !!! I read somewhere that it is not a card for gaming.
Think he meant this bit,
I've had to admit defeat against my computer, I was trying to get an old Guillemot FFB steering wheel I found lying about to work so I had to buy a Serial - USB adapter but it turns out after SP1 for Win7 came out the fix for installing the old vista driver for the wheel stopped working and I've run out of ideas.
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yes i did :doh:
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I find it rather hard to fathom that three exclamation marks amount to yelling. I was merely trying to emphasize the fact that the ranking of that graphics card was low and not suitable for SSE. I quite agree that using CAPS amounts to shouting but if punctuation marks are also included in the same category then I think it is best for me to stop participating in this topic.
It is also clear as to what "thanks for nothing" means especially after patiently answering many queries.
The irony also lies in the fact that the signature of the poster contains 10 (ten) exclamation marks.
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say it like:
It has a low rank of 373. I read somewhere that it is not a card for gaming.
And what is an SSE suitable card that is cheap?
i've probably asked that question a million times ::)
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I think you spilled your chance of getting a answer on that question. You were actually a bit rude in my opinion with you comment about reporting it to a moderator - Vin_Sun is a voluenteer who is spending his free time on answering your questions and this is what he get's in return !!!
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I was just kidding!
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I quite agree with Ballast.
I'd offer him an apology and a thank you if I were you, maybe then you will even get an answer, who knows. But if it were me, I wouldn't though.
He's put a LOT of effort in this topic, mostly on your behalf, so a bit more respect wouldn't go amiss, and I would suggest to leave out the jokes or make them apparent enough so that he would have known you were joking. But there was nothing funny about any of that to be honest.
:thumbdown:
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Well you two are quite right :( I am sorry vin. :-[