Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator Extremes => Topic started by: CornishChris on September 11, 2010, 08:59:04
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Development effort should be put into 2008 and SSE should consigned to the dump with all money refunded to those that want it. The software has not been tested to a wide audience and even if it does prove to work, it only works on about 5% of all home computers.
Try making 2008 a proper simulator with some adherance to good seamanship practices.
2008 is entertaining but it is NOT a Simulator.
I speak with some degree of expertise I have spent many years in business software development and I hold a Master Mariner's Certificate and have command experience of real ships.
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HI CornishChris
Can you remember Microsoft's Windows editions? ewen the last win7 have so much error and safety hole again arrive weekly updates. the dtore multi miliaser dollar firm clear not once, and create a perfect OS that everyone is happy with, V-Step is well maybe a little less corporate and store sub-awareness programs for us, why so negative, not all are perfect and have everything and feel 100% right away, we beta testing has done a fantastic job to get it as it is today, now we test new patches that will make the game even better
Do you see any similarities here? end and the complainant was either with kontruktiv review to give to find bugs that we have overlooked so tell it to us so that we can rappotere it and it will be fixed. and there's no one forcing you to buy either SSE anyway
Have pations and be more positive, v-step works not only with games and simulators for us ordinary mortals, watch www.vstep.nl you will see what they do
MVH
Tore /TJK
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One of the reasons that they looked for another version,is just about the graphics,and the system of the weather.
2008 was and is still a very good version,however it needed some extra's.Look at the water,now the wave are realistic and no more looked like blue colored water.The waves which come from the ships are looking alot better.The change in the weather is realy great,now you start maybe with a sunny morning, to end up in a masif storm.
For me the Extreme version is alot better than the 2008, i have to look throughout the errors and bugs,which i realy can.Remember the 2008 version had also very much troubles in the beginning.
About that 5% of people who can play the game just because of their computers,the minimum capacity of the computers has been announced before the game came out.Most of us know that they have to update their comps,with a new graphic card,and when you send your Dxdiag with an attachment,maybe it is no need to buy some new card at all.
Maybe just an update can solve some of the problems.
Regards
Marc
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Have pations and be more positive, v-step works not only with games and simulators for us ordinary mortals, watch www.vstep.nl you will see what they do
MVH
Tore /TJK
With all those resorces dont you think Vstep should have got it right first time or is all the software the same?
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With all those resorces dont you think Vstep should have got it right first time or is all the software the same?
well i think that microsoft should have don it right first time, theu have build os sins 1975 or so :doh:
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Development effort should be put into 2008 and SSE should consigned to the dump with all money refunded to those that want it. The software has not been tested to a wide audience and even if it does prove to work, it only works on about 5% of all home computers.
Sorry but that 5% figure is total nonesense, it's the other way around, maybe 5% of home pc's run into problems, the rest works. If you would actually count the number of registered SSE users on the forum so far, and count the people that have reported show stopping, need-to-be-fixed-bugs (not people that complain about working features they dont like cause that's not a problem that stops the game from functioning), then you'll get a totally different number. But people only see the negavitve, and on a support forum, that side is always emphasised.
Plus, what you don't see, and what many people overlook in the actual topics, is how many of those cases are due to their pc's not being in order, and when we assist them in person, often we find that it's a hardware problem, or misuse of resources and/or software. There are testers with below specs running the game, and anything up from that, to very high end machines, and although there's bugs, there was certainly not a 95% fail ratio. So that's total rubbish. No offense, but you can't call yourself an expert and then pull such a figure out of your hat willy-nilly. I can understand frustration and disappointment and even share it with you on a personaly level from my own enjoyment of the game so far, but that's no justification to such a claim, cause that's simply not true.
Regards,
Fred
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This may seem odd, but CornishChris, you sound strangely familiar..
Have you ventured on these fora before..?
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I just have to laugh..
The poor moderators are defending this company as hard as they can, while the VSTEP folks are hiding behind their backs in full shame ::)
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Vstep is not hiding at all.
They only dont want to wast time on posts like you put on now.I think we have said like the situation was.
And this is that Vstep is working with us and listening to.
However you are so dissepointed,and you can not give any good critic at all,that you dont even listen to what we have explained.
Fred and i,and with us all the other moderators/admins,know that Vstep is not hiding at all.
You tell me what they should do???
Marc
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Subwolf,
What's happened? You seemed like a nice guy when the game came out, and now you're posting such negative comments.
I thought you were a nice guy, shame you had to spoil it with your critism :-\
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I must be one of the lucky few that has'nt had any problems with SSE.It installed with no problems and I'm very satisfied with it.OK there are missing features but I can live with that,and I'm sure VSTEP will solve these in the not to distant future.Perhaps its because I'm an old man and easily pleased.
Jim. ;)
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I'm with you Jim....must be us old Geezers are easy to please 8)
Jim
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No, we are more satisfied when someone gives an explaination,thats it.
We know that it will be fixed,it happend in the past,so it will happen in the future.Also some members have a very bad memory.When 2008 version came out many problems came along with it.It seems that they have lost that part,or just became a member of our forum.
Marc
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Well...
Mostly of your people complaining about SSE, Telling SS08 is much better...
Well.. You most likely bouth SS08 a while after it got released. Me myself bought SS08 when it got released. And theres many bugs. But, Look at the final version. It runs smooth!
Vstep hiding? What? That's an lie. Many of the VStep developers has been online, But it's a waste of time to comment these topics!
SSE is a VERY GREAT start, Now we have to wait until it's beeing procceded!
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08 was never finished. It would have been nice if it had been finished before embarking on another remake.
But cornishchris, please don't expect those of us here to believe you are a computer programming grand admiral of a fleet, PLEASE!
Reading your other posts (many of which I actually agree with despite your method of operation) I doubt you are qualified to scrub the deck let alone command a vessel.
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I am with you Jim. There are some missions that are quirky here and there, but on the whole it works and is very enjoyable. And the advertised features that aren't yet available will be. The Subject Line of this thread could bear changing. :2thumbs:
I must be one of the lucky few that has'nt had any problems with SSE.It installed with no problems and I'm very satisfied with it.OK there are missing features but I can live with that,and I'm sure VSTEP will solve these in the not to distant future.Perhaps its because I'm an old man and easily pleased.
Jim. ;)
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I have a solution.
Because you loved that 2008 version so much,well, keep on playing that version.
In a few months return to the Extreme version,maybe it can bring more satifaction to you than.
The line that you say,Stuart, is maybe correct "2008 was never finished".
Maybe its time to move on,with a more reality view in the game.Example is offcource the water.Its no longer a colored blue ocean.Now you are able to see in clear water,below the waterline and some banks in shallow water.
Which is in my point of view,alot better.
Marc
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Subwolf,
What's happened? You seemed like a nice guy when the game came out, and now you're posting such negative comments.
I thought you were a nice guy, shame you had to spoil it with your critism :-\
So if we criticize we're bad guys? ;)
I'm not a nice guy anymore when I find out I've been ripped off. And it doesn't make it better when I hear that their publisher is more important to Vstep than their customers. In my opinion a terrible mistake, just look at the reviews, they've probably lost a lot of customers already.
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@Subwolf,
How did you react when the 2008 version came out??
Just a question?
Marc
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@Subwolf,
How did you react when the 2008 version came out??
Just a question?
Marc
I didn't have any issues with SS08, but I didn't purchase on release, think it was already patched.
Can accept the minor bugs for a while, my problem with SSE is the sinking vessels when moored, but even worse that I have to store the game away because there is nothing to do in there. So they better hurry with that mission editor.
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Look what I've found :D
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I didn't have any issues with SS08, but I didn't purchase on release, think it was already patched.
So you were not around when SS2008 first came out.
Let me tell you something. I bought SS2008 on its release day and there was a lot of bugs. Including the sinking feature which was supposed to work but didn't. A lot of unhappy punters and a lot of noises were being made on this forum, exactly like we are having in the SSE threads just now.
It took a few patches to sort out SS2008.
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Please be patient! The developers of Vstep need some time for fixing the bugs, otherwise it will get from bad to worse!
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08 was never finished. It would have been nice if it had been finished before embarking on another remake.
But cornishchris, please don't expect those of us here to believe you are a computer programming grand admiral of a fleet, PLEASE!
Reading your other posts (many of which I actually agree with despite your method of operation) I doubt you are qualified to scrub the deck let alone command a vessel.
Sorry to disabuse you but although I make no claims to be a programmer I DO hold a Foreign Going Master's Certificate.
I went to sea in 1962 as a cadet with British and Commonwealth Shipping company and left the sea in 1980 as Master.
I do know what I am talking about when it comes to ship handling, navigation and the rules for preventing collisions at sea. !!!!!!!!
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And I have my profession at sea too, I'm even an officer, and I don't think I'm the only sailor on these forums. So maybe Stuart2007 should think twice, what he said is a pure insult.
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Having been on the other end of software releases... it's a lot harder than it looks. Trying to support the thousands of combinations of OS and hardware is VERY difficult. As someone else pointed out, just ask MicroSoft how easy it is.
We have to have patience.
Looking forward to the next update and hoping the camera reset bug fix is included.
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And I have my profession at sea too, I'm even an officer, and I don't think I'm the only sailor on these forums. So maybe Stuart2007 should think twice, what he said is a pure insult.
Thank you Subwolf but lets not be go too hard on Stuart he is probably just a young homesick first tripper. I am sure you remember what that is like.
Stuart if you still have doubts then you can ask me anything you like as a sort of test question. Make it hard!
Try something on Astro navigation or "canal effect" or may transverse thrust on a single screw ship. Or you could ask me to explain the function of intercostal girders in the construction of a ship...... need I go on!
Sonny, I have captained ships through worse weather than you can ever imagine possible sitting at your computer and twindling your joystick.
When you have some experience then I will listen to you !
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I normally am quiet, and keep my comments to myself, however, being an I.T. guy (I would much rather work out on water, anyone here hiring? ;D, I can move!) I am able to say, with professional experience backing me up, that VSTEP is doing an amazing job. As previously mentioned, supporting the literally millions of variables, that is, different computers with different hardware, software, patches, peripherals, electricity conditioning (Yes, this can have a MASSIVE effect on computers), even down to the variances of which LCD or CRT someone is using can create utter chaos for developers.
Designing software to work with as many different combinations of hardware and software is a huge undertaking for any company, whether it’s Microsoft, or it’s VSTEP. Just as there are many different combinations of computers, there are probably even more with the people themselves. There’s a lot of complaining that SSE has a lot of bugs. Of course it does. All software has bugs. In fact, many bug fixes create new or make other bugs more serious. What’s going on behind the scenes that nobody here sees (including myself) would boggle your mind, it’s not as simple as just writing a little bit of code here and there, then compiling it all into the game.
Long story short, cut VSTEP some slack – they have done an amazing job. Think about the big things, and thank VSTEP for the many things they have gotten right, rather than the small, tiny things that aren’t working properly yet. Although it is impossible to make perfect, it’ll get better and better, and I'm confident that VSTEP is cut out for the challenge.
VSTEP, I’d like to ask that you not listen to the complaining and the impatient people that don’t understand that this is a huge project, and can’t be completed in just a few hours. Please take your time, do what you do best, and remember that you’ve done an excellent job that few would even dare to try. Creating physics that do match the water and the weather isn’t something that is easy. Thanks for your good work.
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Designing software to work with as many different combinations of hardware and software is a huge undertaking for any company, whether it’s Microsoft, or it’s VSTEP. Just as there are many different combinations of computers, there are probably even more with the people themselves. There’s a lot of complaining that SSE has a lot of bugs. Of course it does. All software has bugs. In fact, many bug fixes create new or make other bugs more serious. What’s going on behind the scenes that nobody here sees (including myself) would boggle your mind, it’s not as simple as just writing a little bit of code here and there, then compiling it all into the game.
You're quite right Trp4x4!!
But on the other hand, there is this concept of testing.
No software is bugfree, look at software from Microsoft. But at least they test it.... and after that they release it as alpha version to a select group of users to test.... and after that to a larger group of users as beta version.... and after that as release candidate to still a larger group. By the time it goes for sale it has been tested by a lot of people and the most annoying bugs are out.
Maybe VSTEP should have tested better and release a kind of betaversion. Maybe they should have told us that they couldn't make the release date.
After all, we all had to pay for something that is clearly not finished and everyone has the right to be disappointed and ventilate these feelings on these fora.
And yes we know that VSTEP will solve it in the end, but this is our way to put some pressure on the kettle.
Heiko
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Heiko, the game was tested and bugs reported, but Vstep released it without fixing the bugs because of a deadline. That's the problem, and what makes me angry. And now I can't play much because the mission editor isn't released yet, which makes me even more angry ;)
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You are quite right, they may be doing a fantastic job. But that is not the point.
The point is that software was released that was in no fit state for public comsumption, it should have been released to a select few experienced users for Beta testing.
I am concerned to see that no mention is made on the Ship Sim web site about the problems and that they are happy to collect money for more sales of an unready product.
I have no doubt that the bugs will be fixed and that features will be released and that in time all will be well. That is the time that software should be made available for sale.
2008 is a great product, a few errors, but by and large it works fine. This sets an expectation for users and they rush to spend their money on a new product.... only to have their hopes dashed.
I hope Ship Sim take notice of all this and make some effort to pacify an increasingly disatisfied group of users.
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Thank you Subwolf but lets not be go too hard on Stuart he is probably just a young homesick first tripper. I am sure you remember what that is like.
No problem Sir, but if I know Stuart right we can expect another tirade when he reads this, unless he's smart enough to behave for a change ;)
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You should lock this topic! now! it is going to lead to a fight :police: :angel: :angel:
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This becomes now old news from you guy's.
You said your bad feelings about the Extreme version more than enough.Now its time to start give as we say"building-up critics",than your doing something possitive.
We are aware of what most have been,but it aint,at this time!This will change in the future.
Or just play the 2008 version,and leave that Extreme version of yours,for a few months in a locker somewere.
As i read your posts,you're more happy with the 2008 version anyway.
Extreme version is now about 3 weeks on the market,and since the first day untill now,you do nothing else than complaint about it.This will not help us at all.
The last time i say it now,they are busy to work on it.
Marc
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Gentlemen, this is going nowhere and to prevent further bantering, let me close this thread for your own sake. Please fight your personal battles, or egotrips out through PM or through mail, not on the forum.
Locked.