Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator 2008 => Topic started by: matt105 on August 06, 2007, 05:51:37
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Im not impressed as there shouldnt have to be a patch after they have released the game. They should of taken these amount of bugs from it. But instead V-Step wanted to roll in the money and leave the bugs. They should of had game testers for these bugs.
Now a question:
Will the patch be on the boxed version by the time it gets to Australia?
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As has been said BEFORE the game was released.
The patch will be included in all copies of the game AFTER the patch release for free download online.
Yes it will be included in the Aus boxed version. Also there are NO bugs in the game. Such things as sinking and Multiplayer were stated before game release that they wouldn't be included until the patch.
Tom
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Im not impressed as there shouldnt have to be a patch after they have released the game. They should of taken these amount of bugs from it. But instead V-Step wanted to roll in the money and leave the bugs. They should of had game testers for these bugs.
Now a question:
Will the patch be on the boxed version by the time it gets to Australia?
What planet do you live on? Even big publishers such as EA and Activision release patches.
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Matt. calm down.
Since the patch will be released before you even get the game, what is the problem?
No, it's not good- but that's life. Remember that the total hours of play by ALL the users is many times greater than the hours of beta testing.
If you want bug free- then you can wait longer and pay for more in depth testing. Then complain about having to wait longer and pay more.
Stu
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Ever notice when you turn on your PS3 or Xbox it says "New Patch Released!" "Download Now?"
everything has patches, the bugs will be fixed, if you don't want the patch then don't download it.
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Do you have MS Windows...? I think I have 40-50 patches installed for that program... ;) As long as they continue to develop the software and release the patches for free I do not have a problem with all these updates.
Regards
groennegaard
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Ever notice when you turn on your PS3 or Xbox it says "New Patch Released!" "Download Now?"
everything has patches, the bugs will be fixed, if you don't want the patch then don't download it.
Yep, which is good really, 'cos I use to hate buggy console games.
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Yes, ineed. Shipfan55. Will you please stop adding these images of Spambot, please. Or I might have to start deleting un-necessary posts.
Please only use emoticons/ graphics if they serve a purpose.
Thankyou for your future co-operation.
Stuart
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Do you have MS Windows...? I think I have 40-50 patches installed for that program... ;) As long as they continue to develop the software and release the patches for free I do not have a problem with all these updates.
Regards
groennegaard
I couldn't agree more, I have 1 game that didn't require a patch (a rare thing I know). The name of that game........
The Simpsons: Hit & Run (don't laugh :P)
Even my Movie Editor requires patching, as pretty much everything does now ::)
Regards.
DJM.
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Patches are a way of life. Either the company gives free patches - or we are back to other ways - ie they make us pay for the upgrades (another word for patches).
Even outside computers - look at ships, I've seen a ship brought out brand new, the 3rd one in its class, and you would have thought they would have had all the problems wrinkled out - oh nooo, off the slip and into drydock to sort out the problems.
Military jets are the same, so is you car - they find a problem on a certain bit and do a recall.
So patches are here for life, and I welcome them 8) They ensure that the game runs with the newest graphics card, stops stupid errors etc, and I agree, 100 people playing the game for a day produces more data than the testers. Not only on the time issue, but we all play the game different - and this produces the unseen errors!!
Cheers
Steve
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A lot of software needs patches, but this doesn't excuse the fact that SS08 contains more bugs than average. But I expected this when looking at the price. A sim like FSX costs twice as much, not because its Microsoft, but because its quality. A lot of people have been involved in many hours of betatesting, that means costs but the result is quality and very few bugs when released.
SS08 is obviously not a quality product, the developers thinks profit first which results in a 80% finished product, and the rest delivered in patches. But you get what you pay for...that is my opinion.
Anyway, SS08 eats memory. I got rid of a lot of stuff I thought were bugs when I got more memory. But this shouldn't be an issue if you got 2GB of RAM or more.
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I would just like to add that FSX was riddled with bugs and performance issues upon release....hence Service Pack 1 ;)
Regards.
DJM.
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I would just like to add that FSX was riddled with bugs and performance issues upon release....hence Service Pack 1 ;)
Regards.
DJM.
Probably the only patch needed, FS2004 was only patched once as well.
But I hope that the developers of SS08 don't take offence by my other post here, I still love the game ;)
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I still love the game ;)
Good to know ;D
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SS08 is obviously not a quality product, the developers thinks profit first which results in a 80% finished product, and the rest delivered in patches. But you get what you pay for...that is my opinion.
Anyway, SS08 eats memory. I got rid of a lot of stuff I thought were bugs when I got more memory. But this shouldn't be an issue if you got 2GB of RAM or more.
You are right to a degree. But I can tell you that missing a publication deadline can result in major delays and possibly the abandonment by a publisher- remember that they have factories ready to burn cds, print boxes etc- Shops will have arranged for a narrow date range to launch the product etc. Postponing a release date will probably result in publisers having to pay penalties to retailers and the cd duplicators etc.
I'm afraid that Vstep has taken the lesser evil option. I'm afraid there is a LOT more to releasing a piece of software than just saying 'its done. find a shop'.
Finally, you do remember that the price you pay also includes retailer margin, publishers fees, production costs... I can't speak for Vstep but another software house I know of gets less than 10% of the box price for each sale. Please don't accuse them of being profit chasers...
Stu
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Even modern DVD players get patches ;)
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Hmm i agree with some of you on this but most of the bugs are so apparent its as though they didnt play the game at all when they'd finished it..... :-\
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Different issues happen on different computers. I for one have not experienced all bugs, I have experienced a few. Someone else with another computer setup has experienced other. And they most likley have identical computers at the office and it's also impossible to find everything. It's also one thing to find them but it takes time to correct them.
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Im not impressed as there shouldnt have to be a patch after they have released the game. They should of taken these amount of bugs from it. But instead V-Step wanted to roll in the money and leave the bugs. They should of had game testers for these bugs.
Now a question:
Will the patch be on the boxed version by the time it gets to Australia?
May I remind you that you were asking for people to donate money so you could buy the game?
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Different issues happen on different computers. I for one have not experienced all bugs, I have experienced a few. Someone else with another computer setup has experienced other. And they most likley have identical computers at the office and it's also impossible to find everything. It's also one thing to find them but it takes time to correct them.
I agree with you here, games perform differently on different hardware and software. Not every single bug can be completely resolved before release date and VSTEP are not a huge company. Having said that I have not experienced many bugs in the game at all. I have noticed a few, but some have made me laugh and I don't mind bugs at all as long as patches are bought out to fix them.
I like patches, shows the developers care about the software and want it to be bug free and even add more features. Can people please stop slagging VSTEP off please it's getting rather tiresome now. Try using constructive critism ;) ;)
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In an ideal world, you'd be right - there shouldn't be a need for a patch... but this isn't an ideal world.
If you look at the succession of patches that were released for SS2006 you will see that VSTEP are very committed to releasing patches for bugs and making improvements. Having bought SS2008 I am confident that given time this version will be patched and we will benefit from a much improved game-play, I wasn't happy that the first patch was delayed but hey - it will be worth the wait in my mind.
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has anyone got a bowl of quick setting concrete I can bury my head in until this conversation is finished and all patches are installed?
Stu
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has anyone got a bowl of quick setting concrete I can bury my head in until this conversation is finished and all patches are installed?
Stu
No, but sand is on special offer today sir... ;)
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That'll do. 2 hours head in Q.S.S. will do nicely. Hopefully this arguement will be concluded by then. But I won't hold my breath (would be difficult buried up to my neck- head first- in sand)
Stu
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That'll do. 2 hours head in Q.S.S. will do nicely. Hopefully this arguement will be concluded by then. But I won't hold my breath (would be difficult buried up to my neck- head first- in sand)
Stu
Small question: How will you get your head out again if it's quick setting? ???
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Small question: How will you get your head out again if it's quick setting? ???
Sshhh.....don't tell him, he hasn't figured that bit out yet ;)
/me runs and hides :P
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Sshhh.....don't tell him, he hasn't figured that bit out yet ;)
/me runs and hides :P
Ok :P
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Small question: How will you get your head out again if it's quick setting? ???
After reading some of the posts in this thread I'm not entirely convinced I WANT to get my head back out.
Stu
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Sorry. I thought my post was quite clear. If vstep found there was a problem at short notice then how could they possibly have given you and notice of the delay? With respect, go back and read my post- you will see that is what I said.
Must point out again that I am not stating this, just guessing.
Stu
Stu thats why we keep bringing it up, we want a statement from the Dev's not a excuse from a moderator.
It fine by me that its delayed but we wanted to hear it from the dev's not a 1000 times were sorry for the delay from you and DJM. there hasnt been any formal statement from Vstep on the delay, it appears they act like their nose bleeds, this leaves a "we dont give a s..t about our customers" kind of feeling and i am sure thats not their intention but it does to some.
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Dear Gertjan (and others),
If a patch release is delayed, it is because we are experiencing bugs that we want to fix first.
There is not much more that can be said about it.
This is the same for any game, or any other piece of complex software.
Nobody likes delays, including us, but nobody likes bugs either.
It gives me sleepless nights, if that makes you feel happier.
Pjotr
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Dear Gertjan (and others),
If a patch release is delayed, it is because we are experiencing bugs that we want to fix first.
There is not much more that can be said about it.
This is the same for any game, or any other piece of complex software.
Nobody likes delays, including us, but nobody likes bugs either.
It gives me sleepless nights, if that makes you feel happier.
Pjotr
It dosn't because sleepy people = bad job. Maybe you should fall asleep on your desk and produce somthing.
I'm not aganist it and everything in this post was a joke...
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It gives me sleepless nights, if that makes you feel happier.
No it doesn't make me feel happier! Nothing worse than sleepless nights! Plus i'm not a morning person... ;D
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Dear Gertjan (and others),
If a patch release is delayed, it is because we are experiencing bugs that we want to fix first.
There is not much more that can be said about it.
This is the same for any game, or any other piece of complex software.
Nobody likes delays, including us, but nobody likes bugs either.
It gives me sleepless nights, if that makes you feel happier.
Pjotr
I'm happy to see there are active members of the development team in the forum. But it makes me feel sad to hear you loose your sleep, I didn't know it was that bad...and it makes me think twice. I've been fighting Stu because he thinks my criticism has been too hard, and he's right. We all get irritated when we buy something which doesn't work correctly, that's whats been on my mind. But I forget about all the hard work behind this software, and that it's a bit of a struggle to get rid of the bugs.
I now understand better and don't think anymore that the development team don't care about us, but they are here in the background working hard with the problems and issues to fix. And I understand that one of the reasons why the patch is delayed is they want to include the mission editor in the first patch because we have asked them to do so, something we should be happy about.
I'm not going to attack Vstep, instead let them take the time they need to make SS08 an even better product, and not put pressure on them. I'm also worried that all the criticism would make them drop any future development plans, that would be very sad for all of us who loves the aspect of the game.
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Please understand that since we (the developers) need all available time to fix and test the current outstanding issues, we rely on our forum moderators to inform the users about the status of the patch and other developments. Some of the moderators also help us beta test, so they have sufficient information about the progress and issues to keep the forum up to date.
We know that we should have inform the community about the patch delays before the 17th and we will try our best to keep do so in the future.
Regards,
Mark
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Please understand that since we (the developers) need all available time to fix and test the current outstanding issues, we rely on our forum moderators to inform the users about the status of the patch and other developments. Some of the moderators also help us beta test, so they have sufficient information about the progress and issues to keep the forum up to date.
We know that we should have inform the community about the patch delays before the 17th and we will try our best to keep do so in the future.
Regards,
Mark
Thats ok mark. I have some other things to look forward to around the time the patch is released. Like going back to the school I haven't been too in 2 years. :D
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Dear Pjotr and Mark,
Thanks for clearing that up, we know you guys are working hard to get this patch done in time, but maybe next time when you have a delay (its nothing to have sleepless nights over) if possible inform us better by using a mailing or post a official statement on the shipsim.com site instead of letting a volunteer moderator take the heat of the angry mob ;)
How big is your staff list, dont you folks have a PR employee who should be doing this?
Greetz,
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Dear Gertjan and others,
The members of the moderator team are representatives of vstep. Questioning them is not very smart actually, they have their function for a reason. Our moderators are better informed than most members for several reasons and if they tell you that the patch is delayed and for what reason you can take their word for it. Let the developers develop, while the moderators do their job: communicate with the community. I've just about had it with the criticism and the lack of confidence in moderators and developers, since 90% of the criticism is undeserved.
Greetings,
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Dear Gertjan and others,
The members of the moderator team are representatives of vstep. Questioning them is not very smart actually, they have their function for a reason. Our moderators are better informed than most members for several reasons and if they tell you that the patch is delayed and for what reason you can take their word for it. Let the developers develop, while the moderators do their job: communicate with the community. I've just about had it with the criticism and the lack of confidence in moderators and developers, since 90% of the criticism is undeserved.
Greetings,
I entirely agree with the posts made by the devs and mods here. I have been on VSTEPS side the whole time and have asked people to stop complaining about this. Like SubWolf said if we keep criticising the team over at VSTEP they will get fed up and stop developing the game and I'm a lot of you will start complaining then! I don't want the 'Boy who cried Wolf' scenario come to mind.
But can we PLEASE STOP CRITICISING SS08 AND VSTEP. It's getting boring apart from anyone else. Imagine who the guys over at VSTEP feel when they think all their hard work is not paying off and everyone is complaining. Come on guys start showing some support and if you're going to say something bad DON'T SAY IT ALL ALL!!
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since 90% of the criticism is undeserved.
Let's just keep things realistic and clear here. Ship Simulator 2008 is a commercial product, in its current state it does not deliver as expected. Like all products with a status like this customers got the right to complain, do not try to remove that because it's law in most countries. But in this case I think the complains and criticism has gone too far, I agree that we should now leave the dev team alone and let them work on the issues for as long as they need, and then finally finish the product.
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Sigh,
You guys dont get it do you!?!? your pulling my question totaly out of context!
I am not criticising, bitching about or bashing your wonderfull product or your staff, the only thing I wanted was to be informed better, i didnt question the reason of the delay or the delay itself, i just wanted to be informed by the staff why it was delayed and i preferred to be informed IF POSSIBLE sooner then on the release date!
I didnt doubt the mod's but i didnt think they had the info at hand i desired at that time and all I wanted was a official statement from the dev's. nothing more nothing less.
Every reply i get on this question gives me the idea your reading my question the wrong way and you inmediatly go to defence mode and saying that the patch is delayed for a reason bla bla bla, but that wasnt what i asked, what i asked is what i ask above
Now i will stop this discussion, because this is going nowhere.
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It's not easy to please us all ;D
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Hereby my promise to you: I or someone from the development team will announce any future delays if possible prior to the expected date or on the date itself. Indeed, we should have announced the delay earlier. My apologies for that.
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Well i for one hope this suject is dropped and we do here positive things for
the game because its great and can only get better with time ;D
I for one am addicted ::)sad i know ;)
tanker going over in san fran bay :D
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Hereby my promise to you: I or someone from the development team will announce any future delays if possible prior to the expected date or on the date itself. Indeed, we should have announced the delay earlier. My apologies for that.
Ok great, apologies accepted, thanx :)
Now lets get back to developing this awesome game :D
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Ok great, apologies accepted, thanx :)
Now lets get back to developing this awesome game :D
Agreed! ;D
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With all due respect, Pjotr, we complain about the delay because you’ve spoiled us with your incredible software, and therefore, like any addict, we want our patch NOW. But please don’t lose sleep over it. We want you healthy and alert so you can begin working on the 2010 version. (Is it too soon to reveal a release date?)