Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator 2008 => Topic started by: Season on February 16, 2008, 22:25:54
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Hmm, I bought a new pc recently and wondered it is good enough for SS08 ;D.
processor: Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2140 @ 1.60 GHz (dual core...)
RAM: 2048 MB RAM
graphicscard: GeForce 8600 GT 1024MB
Thank you :).
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seems ok, nubcake.., don't know about the processor.. :)
do you have xp or vista..?
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I hardly do not believe that you got 1024 MB on a 8600 GT card if you have not done major over clocking of the GPU.... ;D The correct value is 256 MB :P
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Hi Nub Cake.
I think processor speed might be a problem. Ship Sim can hanlde dual processors, but they must be at least 2GHz (minimum spec), according to Carl a few days ago. At 1.6GHz, I think yours may be too far down the scale to work properly, assuming it can handle it at all - sorry. :'(
To complicate things a bit, Questviewer only sees one of the two processors, I believe and that needs a minimum of 2.4GHz. (Although I can coax it to work on a 2.2GHz machine here, under Vista).
So, I suspect that you may have problems with this configuration.
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I hardly do not believe that you got 1024 MB on a 8600 GT card if you have not done major over clocking of the GPU.... ;D The correct value is 256 MB :P
No, 1024.
Hi Nub Cake.
I think processor speed might be a problem. Ship Sim can hanlde dual processors, but they must be at least 2GHz (minimum spec), according to Carl a few days ago. At 1.6GHz, I think yours may be too far down the scale to work properly, assuming it can handle it at all - sorry. :'(
To complicate things a bit, Questviewer only sees one of the two processors, I believe and that needs a minimum of 2.4GHz. (Although I can coax it to work on a 2.2GHz machine here, under Vista).
So, I suspect that you may have problems with this configuration.
Thank you :).
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On my 8600GT is it 3GB :D
(http://i30.tinypic.com/mbnals.jpg)
HAHA :P Something wrong :P
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I think that is not completely wrong actually.
With these new nvidia cards, even though the card has its own physical memory, it will still get a share from the main RAM.
My 8800GTS has 256MB on it's own, but it also lists 1GB as total graphics memory... It just grabs a bit from my total RAM.
Rgds,
Yves
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Hello,
Yes, but there is also a 8600GT from Gainward with 1Gb memory (DDR2...)
Regards,
Luc
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I'm talking about the specs without borrowed RAM...
Show me the page that list a GeForce 8600 GT 1024MB card for sale??? :P :P :P
That means that my 8800 Ultra got 7 GB at least :D :D
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look at min grapick card i have 512 mb but se herewah is right? i belive some of ram are dedicatet to psie caed if nessesery therfor so mutsh ram in the grapich card
Display Devicesnr1
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Card name: ATI Radeon HD 3870
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x9501)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9501&SUBSYS_12001462&REV_00
Display Memory: 3572 MB
Dedicated Memory: 504 MB
Shared Memory: 3067 MB
Current Mode: 1680 x 1050 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Generisk PnP-skjerm
Driver Name: atiumdag,atiumdva,atiumd64.dll,atiumd6a.dat,atitmm64.dll
Driver Version: 7.14.0010.0555 (English)
DDI Version: 9Ex
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 12/21/2007 03:48:29, 3031040 bytes
nr 2
Card name: ATI Radeon HD 3870
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x9501)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9501&SUBSYS_12001462&REV_00
Display Memory: 3572 MB
Dedicated Memory: 504 MB
Shared Memory: 3067 MB
Current Mode: 1680 x 1050 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Generisk PnP-skjerm
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I'm talking about the specs without borrowed RAM...
Show me the page that list a GeForce 8600 GT 1024MB card for sale??? :P :P :P
That means that my 8800 Ultra got 7 GB at least :D :D
i found one it for seil in norway at ps.no
http://www.palit.biz/main/vgapro.php?id=517 wrong
https://www.psdata.no/ps.asp?it=137779&mlevel=280302 wrong
so JHB i think you was wrong there and you Oder's to :) i'm sorry, but your hawe right and i hawe wrongKindly regards
TJK
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Hmm, I bought a new pc recently and wondered it is good enough for SS08 ;D.
processor: Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2140 @ 1.60 GHz (dual core...)
RAM: 2048 MB RAM
graphicscard: GeForce 8600 GT 1024MB
Thank you :).
then you haw is little slow you shud co for this Intel CPU Core 2 Duo E6850 3.0GHz S-775 1333MHz 4MB "Conroe but graphic an memory are OK
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You are linking to a 8800 GT not 8600 GT... :-X
Lol.. I still think I'll have a point here.
Check out this site: http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce8.html (http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce8.html)
Still... what is the table saying for 8600 GT. It says 256 MB!
And please don't mix shared memory and all other nonsense into this. He wrote 8600 GT 1024 MB and not 8600 GT 256 MB. And I did get currious. Now we all know that what he did specify was something totally else than the memory the GPU actually got when you buy it.
This thread gave turned into a really interesting discussion anyway...it's based on misunderstandings :D :D
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You are linking to a 8800 GT not 8600 GT... :-X
Lol.. I still think I'll have a point here.
Check out this site: http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce8.html (http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce8.html)
Still... what is the table saying for 8600 GT. It says 256 MB!
And please don't mix shared memory and all other nonsense into this. He wrote 8600 GT 1024 MB and not 8600 GT 256 MB. And I did get currious. Now we all know that what he did specify was something totally else than the memory the GPU actually got when you buy it.
This thread gave turned into a really interesting discussion anyway...it's based on misunderstandings :D :D
begynner å bli gammel må forstørre skriften på skjermen tror jeg/ sorry forgot me i sad I'm beginning to be old and my eyes are not some they was, bigger font on the screen maybe
Sorry
Regards
TJK
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You are linking to a 8800 GT not 8600 GT... :-X
Lol.. I still think I'll have a point here.
Check out this site: http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce8.html (http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce8.html)
Still... what is the table saying for 8600 GT. It says 256 MB!
And please don't mix shared memory and all other nonsense into this. He wrote 8600 GT 1024 MB and not 8600 GT 256 MB. And I did get currious. Now we all know that what he did specify was something totally else than the memory the GPU actually got when you buy it.
This thread gave turned into a really interesting discussion anyway...it's based on misunderstandings :D :D
you have absolut rigth i'm reddraw my syaying dere gforse 8600 can has opp to 512 mb https://www.psdata.no/ps.asp?it=134169&mlevel=280302 but then the name is gts
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God, the fact that you guys don't believe me, winds me up. I know what video card I have and what it can do. Why should I "lie" about it? This wasn't my question either, I asked if my PC was good enough to handle ShipSim, and not discuss about my graphics card! Look at the photo and STOP this discussion, thank you.
Edited for language, DJM.
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Hi Nub Cake.
If it's any consolation, I believe you! ;D
I don't think it was you they were questioning, but whether TJK had provided a llink to the wrong card's specifications.
Actually, it makes no difference, so who cares? 8600 and 8800 are fine. Ship Sim is not very demanding of the video card. It does need a fast processor though. 1.6GHz was the sticky bit.
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I agree, getting a bit off topic here..
Another thing to consider is perhaps if you use xp or vista, regarding the 2 Gb RAM..
For xp it's fine, for vista it's minimum...
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@TerryRussell: Thank you :).
@saltydog: Yes I'm using Windows XP :).
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Then you're fine "RAM-wise".. ;)
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Hello JHB,
http://uk.shoppydoo.com/price-video_cards-gainward_bliss_8600gt_pcx_tv_dual_dvi_1024_mb_ddr_ii_pci_ex.html
http://www.ciao.co.uk/Gainward_BLISS_8600GT_PCX_TV_Dual_DVI__6755212
Also Sparkle has the same configuration with 1024Mb GDDR2.
A Google search with the keywords "Gainward 8600GT 1024" could have given the answer
Luc
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Hi Nub Cake.
I think processor speed might be a problem. Ship Sim can hanlde dual processors, but they must be at least 2GHz (minimum spec), according to Carl a few days ago. At 1.6GHz, I think yours may be too far down the scale to work properly, assuming it can handle it at all - sorry. :'(
To complicate things a bit, Questviewer only sees one of the two processors, I believe and that needs a minimum of 2.4GHz. (Although I can coax it to work on a 2.2GHz machine here, under Vista).
I have dual core 2 processors running @ 2.13Ghz, so if Questviewer can only see one processor, then my PC is just scraping the barrel.
I think it is unbelievable that Questviewer can only see one processor - I wonder if that causes the random Questviewer crashes that I suffer from time to time?
Also, what about those with Quad-processors? Does it mean Questviewer can only see one processor and not the other 3?
No doubt future Ship Sim release would require more CPU power, so if the issue with Questviewer [only seeing one processor] is not resolved, then I foresee a lot of heartaches and frustrations...........
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You have to bear in mind that there are two parts to Ship Simulator. While Ship Sim can see two processors (don't know about quad, though), Questviewer apparently can only see one.
Now, Ship Simulator needs 2.4 GHz (single processor) or 2.0 GHz (Dual). But Questviewer only sees one processor, irrespective. However, my understanding is that it doesn't need 2.4GHz. (It's difficult getting to the figures for this, so this may not be correct. It's my best guess, having looked at 3DQuest technical data and so on).
Best option is a single processor 152GHz with 18TB of RAM. Or as close as you can get.
Ultimately, despite the hype multiple processors are not properly implemented (if at all) by most software packages. Windows itself is less than good and lots of the core functions within the Windows Kernel don't see multiple processors. So all in all, the extra speed is largely an illusion (or marketing deception, the choice is yours)
I must go and lay down now. My brain hurts.
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I think it is unbelievable that Questviewer can only see one processor - I wonder if that causes the random Questviewer crashes that I suffer from time to time?
No, we all get that. It's by no means uncommon with highly specialised Games Engines. I don't think Questviewer is substantially worse or better than most of the others around.
My wife play Morrowind and similar games. She has the same sort of random crashes and lock ups.
My son plays all sorts of action games and they also do similar things from time to time. None of them are frequent enough to cause us to do anything but sigh and reboot.
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Terry, do you think nubcake's rather good videocard could help the processor in some way..?
(just thinking out loud here..)
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Hi Saltydog.
I don't think so. The processor has its work cut out in calculating all of the postions of all of the objects in all of the different visual layers. If it can't do the maths fast enough and then send all of the instructions to the card fast enough, reult => jerky images
Worst case this will cause a buffer overflow as the data piles up in the queue. Result => crash.
The video card will just sit around, doing its knitting or reading the newspaper, etc waiting for some new instructions to arrive.
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I think the processor is "the weakest link" in your system, Nub Cake..
It might be a good idea to upgrade it sometime.. :)
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Darn.. why haven't Nvidia listed a GF8600GT 1024 MB card in their table then... :-X
http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8600.html (http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8600.html)
According to this page it should be DDR3 memory ???
Sure it must be someone that can explain me this :P
EDIT: Oh no I get it... it mus be a prefabricated over clocked version :D
And from nowhere... Gainward have even made a 1 GB GDDR card based on the 8600GT :o
Holly ****... I must have missed something ;D ;D
By the way, reading a review of this 1 GB card. They recommend to spend the money on a 8600 GTS card since the 1 GB version of 8600 GT will have a weaker performance than the 256 MB version. In other words: PR- stunts from Gainward! They are good at it ;)
Edit: language. Luc
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Hello JHB,
As you probably know, Nvidia makes chipsets, GPUs and the supporting software. Nvidia also publishes and edits recommendations, specifications to use its chips, including design of PCBs and cooling.
There not as many plants as there are makes of video cards (generic, Albatron, Asustek, Gainward, Leadtek, MSI, PNY, Point of View, Sapphire,...), but all of the latter have their own design, improving (eventually) Nvidia's one. Gainward and Sparkle (others perhaps too) decided that using GDDR2 was good enough for these cards, and they probably had their reasons for that. Also, their commercial objectives are not the same as those of Nvidia, and they surely know far more about graphic cards than we do, about their specifications and their price. And of course, GDDR2 is cheaper than GDDR3, etc... So, summarizing, Gainward is not Nvidia.
Regards, ;)
Luc
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Hello JHB,
As you probably know, Nvidia makes chipsets, GPUs and the supporting software. Nvidia also publishes and edits recommendations, specifications to use its chips, including design of PCBs and cooling.
There not as many plants as there are makes of video cards (generic, Albatron, Asustek, Gainward, Leadtek, MSI, PNY, Point of View, Sapphire,...), but all of the latter have their own design, improving (eventually) Nvidia's one. Gainward and Sparkle (others perhaps too) decided that using GDDR2 was good enough for these cards, and they probably had their reasons for that. Also, their commercial objectives are not the same as those of Nvidia, and they surely know far more about graphic cards than we do, about their specifications and their price. And of course, GDDR2 is cheaper than GDDR3, etc... So, summarizing, Gainward is not Nvidia.
Regards, ;)
Luc
I got that...even before you wrote it ;) :P
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I'm playing on HP Pavilion notebook (2.20 Intel Core2Duo, 2048 RAM) - works very well!
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God, the fact that you guys don't believe me, winds me up. I know what video card I have and what it can do. Why should I "lie" about it? This wasn't my question either, I asked if my PC was good enough to handle ShipSim, and not discuss about my graphics card! Look at the photo and STOP this discussion, thank you.
Edited for language, DJM.
I wonder what's offensive about what I said? ::)
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Hi Nub Cake.
DJM has kindly softened the original words you used.
There are youngsters using this site and all posters should take great care about the words used when posting here. A word that doesn't seem offensive to a 23 year old Brit may seem highly inappropriate to the parents of a 10 year American child, for example.
On the other hand, a word used in daily life by an 18 year old from the Netherlands may be inappropriate when translated and viewed by a 12 year old New Zealander.
So, for that reason the moderators will always have to err on the side of caution, won't they?
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I just don't like the feeling that a moderator thinks that I said something offensive :o
If you didn't know, I was a moderator too :'(
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Hi Nub Cake.
Perfectly aware of that.
As I say, a term used without a second thought in one country can be offensive in another. It's a minefield!
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I wonder what's offensive about what I said? ::)
Hiya Chantal :)
It's nothing personal, I do it quite often on the forum......as you know ;)
The term you used is actually deemed as swearing in some Countries, including the UK. That's the reason I edited it :)
Regards.
DJM/Carl.
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i got a pc with 2.0ghz duo core, 2Gb memory and 8600Gt 512 wich can reach up to 1Gb, just installed now, the SS runs like normal video.
;D My VST system is runing much better than before, including the digital weather/radio system too.
now just going to buy 2 more monitors, than I have 2 monitors for the vts and one for the normal works plus SS. ;D
Cheers,
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hello i need some help... I would love to play with ss08 but I don´t know if my lap top has all the features
is a amd turion 64 X2 mobile TL58 and nVidia Ge Force Go 6150 anyone please could help me?? as you can see I'm not an expert ...
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hello i need some help... I would love to play with ss08 but I don´t know if my lap top has all the features
is a amd turion 64 X2 mobile TL58 and nVidia Ge Force Go 6150 anyone please could help me?? as you can see I'm not an expert ...
Good evening Paulo.
Welcome to the forum.
I've looked up the specifications for your laptop and at first sight, your processor speed looks to be too low (1.9GHz). However, it's not unusual for specifications to be upgraded during the lifetime of a laptop, so it might be OK. Let's find out...
What we need you to do is to post your DXdiag results here. I'll take a look and see if there is any reason why not.
Your dxdiag can be obtained by following these instructions:
Click Start > Run. type in dxdiag and press Enter. You may see a popup asking about WHQL drivers, click Yes/Ok to proceed.
In the window that appears, click the button that says Save All Information, when the Save Dialog box appears, save the file to your desktop. To upload the file here, click Additional Options underneath the reply area and choose Browse near Attach. Browse to your desktop, click the file and click Open.
* Windows Vista users need to press the Windows Key + R to access the Run prompt.
You can then post your reply with the file attached.
I'm about to log off for this evening (almost midnight here now!), but will take a look tomorrow.
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hello again I hope this will do it
I'm very grate four your help
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Hi Paulo.
Sorry, but your laptop won't be able to handle Ship Simulator 2008.
The processor speed is too slow (1.9GHz)
The video card doesn't have enough memory (only 57Mb, needs 128 at least).
With Laptops there's no way to upgrade these things.
Sorry. :'(
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ok but how about ss06 is it possible?
best regards and thanks
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isn't it 2 processors?? 1.9 X2 = 3.8 given it ends up being closer to 3 due to loss between the 2. Or am I just way off on that? I also thought that 2 GPU's added together to be better than 1 of the same speed. Was wrong on that one too ::)
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It depends entirely upon how well Ship Simulator is able to divide the work among the processors. Earlier versions could use only one.
Marty
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Hi Paulo.
No, SS06 requires a 2GHz processor. It doesn't see the second processor, so 1.9GHz is still too low. Sorry.
However, as you can get copies of SS06 very cheaply, it's probably worth getting hold of one. It is possible that it might run if you turn the details settings down.
Hi Cobrattack.
Even with twin processors, both must be aminimum of 2GHz for current version of SS08. Although it may sound as though 1.9 is almost there, it isn't. It will not be able to keep up with the volume of calculations required and that will cause internal stack overflows as the queue of instructions piles up.
In any case, memory is less than 2Gb. The video card has only 57Mb of memory. It accesses a further portion by taking from the already too-low system RAM. So, memory is not adequatet and video memory is also too low.
All in all, there isn't much chance that this laptop will cope with the task. It might run, but it will be slow and jerky. Most likely it will crash or lock up quite often. I would expect the fabled blue and/or black screens to be seen quite often.
Sorry. :'(