Pride of Bilbao

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[The Ferry Man]

Ask some fish


EDIT: http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/showallphotos.aspx?mmsi=215357000#top_photo

There's a pic of her sitting on a floating dry dock.


EDIT2: TFM, you've shown a cut out on the super just below the name board. I don't remember that. I've looked at photos and can't see that either- except a shadow... Are you SURE about this?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sarean/112804296/


EDIT3:
Also, you were asking for photos of the cardeck height signs.
http://www.onboardpoferries.com/fleet/archive/prideofbilbao/photographs.html

Hmm Haven't thought of asking fish...

Edit 2 - I can see it on that pic - it starts just under the Bilbao part the shadow is from a overhanging walkway

Edit 3 - thanks for the link

I have to say - she is a very complicated design - lots of walkways and bits...

[Stuart2007]

TFM, I really think that you're wrong on that bit about the cut out bit...

EDIT1: Hmm... Maybe you're right...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hythe-eye/2901914344/
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.shipspotting.com/photos/middle/7/4/9/176947.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php%3Flid%3D176947&usg=__5iV0Os_5L9dZunwOPlaLQLvMquk=&h=515&w=800&sz=37&hl=en&start=21&zoom=1&tbnid=mi0p_MpTYGIY4M:&tbnh=92&tbnw=143&ei=OYChTa7nBIao8AOSm9CpAw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpride%2Bof%2Bbilbao%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1579%26bih%3D715%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1

[The Ferry Man]

You should see it here

I have enhanced the picture to make it stand out more... - you can see its railing

[Stuart2007]

Oh, er, THAT cutout bit... Sorry I couldn't see for all the, err, rust....

[The Ferry Man]

 

Exactly... 

[Stuart2007]

TFM, if it's not too early to suggest this- repaints as:

Olympia
Mariella
Pride of Bilbao blue hull livery
Pride of Bilbao post 2002 livery
Bilbao
Princess Anastasia

and the most famous of all:
Pride of Bilbao rust livery

[The Ferry Man]

TFM, if it's not too early to suggest this- repaints as:

and the most famous of all:
Pride of Bilbao rust livery

lol

I am not sure if VSTEP would accept numerous repaints though...

She is currently in the original  Blue hull livery

[Stuart2007]

http://www.portoftallinn.com/terminal-a-camera

In Tallin (Sunday only)

[Stuart2007]

lol

I am not sure if VSTEP would accept numerous repaints though...

She is currently in the original  Blue hull livery

vstep will agree to the campaign for Pride of Bilbao and Princess Anastasia (on one disc) in whatever colour we want... I'm sure that vstep can be persuaded.

EDIT: Hang on, do you REALLY want it in shipsim when VS is far more modeller friendly?

[Stuart2007]

TFM

THIS might be a good photo for youl. It'll help you quickly and efficiently develop the model of Pride of Bilbao and Pride of Santander (ex Mariella) (on one disc)...

http://www.seateamimages.com/101020.html

Not that I'm dropping hints or any suggestion of coming to Dover, finding you and locking you in a darkened cupboard until you finish it.... No not at all. Would I think of that? 

[The Ferry Man]

Very useful thanks 

[MokMok]

@The Ferry Man:

What a rusty ship, rusty davits of liveboats can be dangerous!It's a sign of poor maintenance.

[Stuart2007]

@The Ferry Man:

What a rusty ship, rusty davits of liveboats can be dangerous!It's a sign of poor maintenance.

She spent her time in Biscay gales. It's only rust streaks. The davit runners and winding gear were all WELL greased up.

Say what you like about pee and onno! (I usually do) but you can't complain about their safety procedures. Their presentation of ships and service is, ahem, enough said. But safety is grade A1 (apart from the occasional smack against harbour walls, small pleasure yachts and goodwin sands and CPP controllers and.... oh dear I take that all back)

[clanky]

@The Ferry Man:

What a rusty ship, rusty davits of liveboats can be dangerous!It's a sign of poor maintenance.

There is a huge difference between rust stains and surface rust and corrosion which is actually having an effect on the structural or operational integrity of the vessel.  A passenger ship operating in UK waters receives regular inspections from port state (and flag state if she is non-UK flagged) inspectors as well as classification society surveyors, major safety issues due to the physical condition of the ship are rare.

[Stuart2007]

Well said, Clanky.

pee and ohno might be pretty grim in the appearance, service and commercial aspects but I challenge anyone to fault their safety (apart from the occasional grounding of Goodwin, the smacking into Calais port, the holing of vessels below the water line in Dover, the occasional propellor loss (see Goodwin) and the occasional "aleged" striking of small sailing yachts).

I think pee and ohno are actually very safety conscious. Although after my last trip on the Pride I'd rather jump overboard than see the same 'entertainment' or eat another iffy pasty.

(they can sue me if this is all not true)

[MokMok]

I don't trust the safety policy of ferry-operators. They mostly think in commercial interests over a good safety on board.

[clanky]

Have you worked on many ferries MokMok?

[MokMok]

@Clanky:

Have you worked on many ferries MokMok?

No, I haven't. But I suspect that commercial interests take precedence over safety issues. Ferry-operators are commercial compagnies and commercialism is all about making money. Good maintanance and good safety practices take money. And in times of economic downturns spending cuts can hamper safety on board!

[The Ferry Man]

@Clanky:
No, I haven't. But I suspect that commercial interests take precedence over safety issues. Ferry-operators are commercial compagnies and commercialism is all about making money. Good maintanance and good safety practices take money. And in times of economic downturns spending cuts can hamper safety on board!

That isn't true - ferries are regulary checked for safety - the Norman Voyager was detained a few years back after issues were bnrought up by a inspection team.

And P&O knows how important safety is, and knows first hand what happens when safety isn't put first

[MokMok]

But do governments cut spending (bezuinigen in the Dutch language) on such inspection teams?

[v.h94]

The gouverments are monitored by IMO, they can't really cut down on inspections.

[clanky]

MokMok, yes ferry operators are commercial companies, but the consequences of having a ship detained, both in terms of loss of revenue and damaged reputation mean that a good safety policy makes good commercial sense.

I spent a long time on ferries and the safety standards are amongst the highest in the industry.

[danny]

I second that clanky, The safety culture on other ships (like anchor handlers) is absolutly terrible, and the masters of some ships aren't exactly great either. When compared to other ferry compaines P&O have one of the best safety records out there.

Anyway, hows about we get back on topic? 

[MokMok]

@Danny:

When compared to other ferry compaines P&O have one of the best safety records out there.

Which ferry companies are safe to travel with and which ones should be avoided due to safety issues?

I know that the newer ferries which have been built after the Estonia disaster in 1994 are safer than the older ones built prior to this disaster. Older ferries are retrofitted with flood control doors on the cardeck, extra bulkhead doors behind the bow ramp and side or rear (ducktail) sponsons. But why do some ferries only get a rear (ducktail) sponson instead of side sponsons?

[assassinator2.0]

What are sponsons?