Copenhagen

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[saltydog]

As you may or may not know, there is a climate conferance in Copenhagen..
Do you think there will be significant decisions..?

[McGherkin]

Probably, nobody wants to jeapordise their country's wealth.

Mind you, Gordon Brown just signed off a sorely needed 1.5 billion

[Stuart2007]

A more pertinent question would be why is it that when anyone questions the science behind it, the response is normally "It's a known fact" or "Deniar" (which has sinister comparison to the term "holocaust denier")

If these people are so sure of the science, why not explain it rather than denounce doubters?

It is just like the way religions formed... Non attenders of church/mosque/temple were branded as heretics and raising any doubt about god... don't go there!

The human race always needs some sort of belief to rally behind and use to enslave others... and raise taxes into the bargain

[Traddles]

According to core samples taken which give information about the atmosphere many, many years ago the CO₂ levels were very much higher than they are now. Surprisingly, there were not quite so many cars, ships, trucks and factories around 100,000 years ago. Quite a few volcanoes though. personally, I do not deny that warming is occurring, but am unconvinced that it is due to us horrible humans and not just a natural cycle of events.

[The Ferry Man]

According to core samples taken which give information about the atmosphere many, many years ago the CO₂ levels were very much higher than they are now. Surprisingly, there were not quite so many cars, ships, trucks and factories around 100,000 years ago. Quite a few volcanoes though. personally, I do not deny that warming is occurring, but am unconvinced that it is due to us horrible humans and not just a natural cycle of events.

I would not say we are not contributing to it, But I have read books and know that we are stillt echnically in a ice age...

To quote from A brief history of nearly everything

We have ice at both poles, something that has probably never happened before

[Stuart2007]

Good point Traddles... Now you can expect the forum to be surrounded by people chanting 'denier' 'polar bear murdered'...

IS the climate warming though? The ancient Romans might think it a bit bitter here now and nothing like as warm as the temperatures they were used to when they came to visit us.

"What have the Romans EVER done for us?"
"Showed us climate change"

Seriously though, it isn't the answers of global warming that is the issue; it is the questions that are the problem... No one in power is ASKING questions.

Have you noticed how the threat of massive sea level rises has been a bit quiet lately, since some scientists pointed out there isn't enough ice on the planet to make it rise as much as claimed...

[LucAtC]

There were abundant discussions during the sixties of the nuclear atmospheric tests that damaged the climate, the start of a nuclear winter. After that, it was overpopulation and the threat of "the Chinese", followed by drought in Sahel and energy crisis. Scaring people is a technique as old as societies to retain power.
That climate is fundamentally cyclic (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/09/hockey-stick-observed-in-noaa-ice-core-data/) is certain, and that human, animal and vegetal activities have an impact is certain as well, but how much can be and is discussed but it is unfortunate that so little is done to eradicate war, hunger and epidemics, ignorance or poverty, and that so much is done to satisfy greed or vanity.
If temperature and sea level increase with enough certainty, would it not be better anyway to prepare coastal regions to the menace?  
Regards,
Luc

[Traddles]

We do not hear much about the terrible hole in the ozone layer over the Antarctic continent nowadays. according to the "Experts" this meant doom to us all a few years back.

[Stuart2007]

I was reading one of Prof. Dawkings lecture notes and thought it interesting to compare how a medieval/antique religion formed with how a modern belief set forms. How non-believers are persecuted for asking.

Ask Luc says, there is always something to be the focus of the beliefs. Here in Britain, to be accused of racism was a socially terrible problem- now it is to not look after the environment.

I was at a conference with my industry and said that particulate matter was more of a worry than climate change; I expected them to 'embrace me as a brother crusader' but they turned on me and I thought they wanted to do me in!

[LucAtC]

The hole in the ozone layer has been repaired by the solar ultraviolet light, urban pollution due to traffic or heating and the end of DuPont's CFC patents.
It is no longer a threat, today the major threats to mankind are carbon dioxyde, ie the basic nutriment of vegetals through photosynthesis, the emissions of cows or other organic rot, as dangerous as the mix of business and politics in the title of this topic.

[Stuart2007]

So what they're really saying is they want us to stop making CO2 and starve the trees... How nice, environMENTALIST

[The Ferry Man]

So what they're really saying is they want us to stop making CO2 and starve the trees... How nice, environMENTALIST

That is a very good point - more CO₂ will mean plantlife will flourish

[v.h94]

More CO2 will mean more SodaStream

[Stuart2007]

That is a very good point - more CO₂ will mean plantlife will flourish

Exactly! More plantlife = more O2 (whatever mobile telephones have to do with it) and = LESS CO2 so no more sodastreams then!!! yes. I LOVE global warming.

And the weather is hotter, so we don't have to travel as far south for summer holidays= less aircraft= less emissions...

WHAT are the environMENTALists going on about?

[saltydog]

I have a "dark brown suspicion" nothing will come of this conference..
At least all participants eat well during these get-togethers..
So it's  business as usual untill the next one..
No doubt, Obama will give an inspiring speech, I love the way he swivels his head
 (after his presidency, he would be a great preacher..)  

[groennegaard]

Personally I think that the COP15 meeting is a splendid idea...

I get the chance of watching autonomous vandals get beaten up by the police... 

[Stuart2007]

I like the way the Danish police work

There, it's called crowd control
Here if they don't call a rioter "Sir" it's on 10 O'clock news and the Copper is accused of being a thug