Topic: Sea Patrol UK (Read 2318 times)

Royern · « **on:** December 14, 2009, 22:13:11 »

For all of you mariners! Sea Patrol UK !

"towing vessel the Anglican Monarch is dispatched to rescue a stricken chemical tanker drifting toward a treacherous sand bank in the English Channel. Meanwhile, the crew of the HMS Severn investigates a fishing trawler with a suspicious quantity of sole in the holds" S01E05 (E01-E05 is available)

More info on this site: www.uknova.com (http://www.uknova.com)

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Stuart2007 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 14, 2009, 22:16:29 »

A good series, that... Â£100,000 they got for towing that tanker!

Royern · « **Reply #2 on:** December 14, 2009, 22:26:38 »

hmmm, Â£100.000 sounds nice

me wonder, do they accept paypal accounts?

Stuart2007 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 14, 2009, 22:45:39 »

Our new privatised Coast Guard... a bit pricey

Royern · « **Reply #4 on:** December 14, 2009, 22:50:32 »

Ballast · « **Reply #5 on:** December 15, 2009, 13:05:02 »

Is that a spin-off of the Australian Sea Patrol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Patrol_(TV_series))?

Stuart2007 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 15, 2009, 13:13:30 »

Quote from: Stuart2007 on December 14, 2009, 22:45:39

Our new privatised Coast Guard... a bit pricey

Sorry. I meant "a bit piracy"

Traddles · « **Reply #7 on:** December 15, 2009, 13:20:52 »

No, not piracy, just plain and simple salvage. ANY vessel which salves another gets salvage money which is shared between the owners of the salvor and the crew. The amount of money awarded is calculated on the dangers involved, what would have happened if the salvage had not taken place and many other factors. HM Reciever of Wreck, if I remember correctly, makes the award if the salvage takes place in UK waters..

Minime · « **Reply #8 on:** December 15, 2009, 17:33:47 »

btw wouldn't insurance pay most of it?

Ballast · « **Reply #9 on:** December 15, 2009, 17:49:30 »

The only thing an insurance company wants to pay is itself and her CEO. If you claim the salvage cost at the insurance company, the fee will go sky high (and beyond). Not to mention the fair chance of the vessel being declared as total loss. I'm not sure if general average is applicable on salvage costs, but perhaps Traddles could tell us more about that

A good example is the MSC Nikita. She collided with another vessel just off the Port of Rotterdam a few months ago. Although the engine room flooded, she was still afloat. The vessel got declared total loss and sold to the scrapyard.

Minime · « **Reply #10 on:** December 15, 2009, 20:12:02 »

ah, guess those insurance companies for boats are better then, we have a long history of damage on hour boats and insurance pays most of it.

Traddles · « **Reply #11 on:** December 15, 2009, 20:39:28 »

I have been looking up the details on salvage, and I find that there is usually a salvage agreement made between the owners of the ship to be salvaged and the owners of the ship which is the salvor. The value of the contract is based on a number of differing aspects and if agreement cannot be reached it is then that it goes to arbitration and the Reciever of Wreck becomes involved. I am very rusty on this stuff, but I think that is the basis of a salvage operation. I will happily stand to be corrected if I am wrong. $:-\$ As Ballast says average comes into it as well, but to be honest it is so long ago that I had to know these things that my bird like brain has forgotten it all.

Stuart2007 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 15, 2009, 20:46:43 »

Â£100,000 sounds a lot, but when your mega-millionÂ£ ship is heading towards the rocks... Suddenly an expensive tug assist doesn't seem so bad.

Angus, I know it isn't piracy... My insurance company charges me 10,000s pounds per year and if I need assistance from a third party, then they pay- but as someone else says, insurance premiums go up dramatically. However, a lot less than if you refuse assitance and your vehicle/ship is destroyed...

Traddles · « **Reply #13 on:** December 15, 2009, 20:55:21 »

Stuart, I know you were only joking about piracy, though it sometimes seems a lot like it. I remember when I was a cadet on a brand new ship on her maiden voyage. We were on a home trade leg from London to Hamburg when the steering engine failed disastrously. One of the Directors of the owners was aboard and I can remember vividly having to chase around the deck in the dark throwing off heaving lines which a salvage tug was trying to get aboard us to claim salvage. The Director was there too, and he was almost incandescant with fear that the tug master would succeed. Our own engineers eventually made a very temporary repair and the ship was able to sail to Cuxhaven at the mouth of the Elbe. We were too big to enter as it is only a little fishing port so we were tied up across the entrance to one breakwater end up for'd and the other one down aft. Engineers came down from Hamburg to complete the full repair.

Aad The Pirate · « **Reply #14 on:** December 15, 2009, 21:08:53 »

Ye shall not commit piracy.

The Insurance companies don't allow rivalry !

Stuart2007 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 15, 2009, 21:16:16 »

Angus

Surely if the master refuses assistance then the salvage company can go forth and multiply- no???

Traddles · « **Reply #16 on:** December 15, 2009, 21:20:29 »

As I remember, if the tugmaster gets a line aboard it is a bit like finders keepers, losers weepers.

However I am sure there is someone out there who could give a far better answer than I can. In the case I quoted, our ship was in a buoyed channel (Wartime mines, the North Sea was crisscrossed with swept channels) and the tugmaster was trying to claim we were a dangerous obstruction.

Ballast · « **Reply #17 on:** December 15, 2009, 21:29:36 »

If the master refuses tug assistence, the local authorities can overrule him in that decision for the sake of nature and such

Stuart2007 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 15, 2009, 21:30:30 »

So, if I take my yacht alongside, say the Pride of Dover, and attach a wire to the hull, then I can bill PO for Â£100,000 'for assistance rendered'?

Or alternatively, will PO declare my unauthorised boarding of their vessel as an act of piracy and the master exercise his legal right to use deadly force to protect his vessel.

Ballast · « **Reply #19 on:** December 16, 2009, 17:50:55 »

Had a little chat with my law teacher today. It is possible to use general average on the salvage cost but it is most likely not going to happen. That is something the owner and the other parties involved have to sort out in court.

General average is mostly used to cover up the cost of lost cargo, if for example the crew has to ditch a deckload to safe the vessel and the rest of the cargo.

Afterall it's a grey area. As captain and chief officer you are covering your back most of the time to prevent claims and such $:-\$

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