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Capt. Matt

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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2009, 16:47:29 »

Ugh actually my books are only 6 months old so believe what you want :-\
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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2009, 16:47:56 »

Hello Jack,
I attach my Dxdiag which you can see is actually below the specs of the one you are interested in, apart from the graphics card. I am not au-fait with the card which is included with your choice. However I can tell you, without divulging any secrets, that my machine happily runs SSPro2 with no problems. That being the case I think that you should probably have no problems with SS Extremes. Please do not take this as gospel though, just my opinion.

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saltydog

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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2009, 17:01:20 »

Temperature is no problem.. I replaced the standard cooler with this..(mostly to keep the noise down)   :)
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Capt. Matt

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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2009, 17:07:10 »

That fan big enough  :doh: My computer has 4 Fans  ;)
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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2009, 17:12:32 »

My new one has seven! ::) and yet it is really quiet...
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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2009, 17:16:36 »

Do the fans actually help the system's performance?
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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2009, 17:20:30 »

They mostly keep it cool because of it's high performance.
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firestar12

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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2009, 17:23:29 »

But without the fans, would they have even worse performance because of the heat?
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saltydog

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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2009, 17:36:35 »

I don't think they have any effect on performance, I just like a quiet computer.. :)
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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2009, 17:43:53 »

Jack

If you have a John Lewis anywhere near you the price will be better, the service is great, and if you have any problem they will usually replace. I bought this current one from PC World last year and had awfull problems getting them to replace the hard drive which went after 6 months.

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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2009, 18:05:13 »

I don't think they have any effect on performance, I just like a quiet computer.. :)

The main reason that you should have fans to keep your machine cool is because the high temperatures will cause your components to fail sooner and it will also cause overheats and shut-downs.
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saltydog

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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2009, 18:08:13 »

The main reason that you should have fans to keep your machine cool is because the high temperatures will cause your components to fail sooner and it will also cause overheats and shut-downs.

I don't think that would normally happen..(unless you go berserk and start overclocking willynilly)   ;)
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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2009, 18:17:35 »

Hi Firestar,

Fans help by keeping it from dropping to zero, accompanied by smoke.

It’s hard to predict what the actual requirements for Extremes will be. Rather, it is hard to predict how a specific computer will perform; there are tradeoffs between processor speed and graphics performance because they affect the frame rate in different ways.

For the graphics card, it is important that it have enough RAM on the card so that it does not need to share RAM with the motherboard. Cards with 1 GB are becoming the norm.
It is also important that the card provide all of the necessary features that SS needs, such as shaders, particle generators, etc. Without specific information from VSTEP, which they may not yet know, it is difficult to predict the performance in Extremes.

I do not even know whether Extremes will use QuestViewer as its engine. While QV is an excellent platform for the other kinds of applications that VSTEP makes, the present architecture of SS has severe limits. Getting much farther will eventually require either an entirely new engine or significant changes to QV.

As Angus pointed out, what we have seen with the Pro betas would indicate that that the requirements for Extremes would not be extreme if it was simply a “lite” version of Pro.
The announced additions for Extremes, aside from the sea model and, perhaps, a busier environment in Sydney, are not that significant when speculating on any increase in demands on the system.

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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2009, 18:21:19 »

What about the processor speed..?  It says 2.5 Ghz..Will that be ok..?
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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2009, 19:23:56 »

Hi saltydog,
Don't forget that the system that Jack is looking at is using Windows 7 64bit. I don't know, but it could be that Windows 7 can use all four processors to speed things up.

As I said earlier, my only reservation is the graphics card. It could be ok but I think that you may find it a bit slow.

Edit; I have just had a look around and I was wrong. The Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate version will only use two physical CPUs, (but will probably do it better and faster than anything else).

Regards, Dave
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Capt. Matt

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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2009, 19:30:56 »

Well its definately better than what he has  ;)
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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2009, 19:34:41 »

I'm not up to date with modern processors, it would be a shame though if it later turned out to be too slow..
The graphics card seems to be very fine..
« Last Edit: October 24, 2009, 19:37:03 by saltydog »
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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2009, 22:29:25 »

Yeah...2.5 seems dangerously risky. Jack could end up having to update very soon if he gets that machine.
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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2009, 22:55:30 »

And you "computer repair book"  is from? 90's? ;) As i said nowdays mobo and cpu manufactures make it easy and SAFE. But if your oldschool teacher say so maybe i must believe ;DDDD I have doing overclocking long time and i have studying computers too so maybe i know what i am saying. But maybe the overclocking scene is bit new for you then ;)
my repair book is nearly brand new we're learning about current things and the program is tied in with Cisco computer systems, we take online tests and everything is up to date. My teacher is an excellent teacher and he is not "old school" this is modern stuff, so believe me when i say i know what i'm talking about, no matter what the processor is there is always the risk of damage, if you give the processor too much voltage you could ruin it, it could easily overheat if the computer is loaded with dust or you dont have adiquite cooling equipment. Now the GPU, its not smart to overclock them so much that they have to shut off because they're too hot, that means you're making the GPU work too hard or you do not have proper cooling system and if you do that too many times thats how you're going to damage the GPU, computers are made the way they are because it works properly, and doesn't overheat. If the factory settings are not fast enough for you then you should have bought a faster GPU or CPU, my rant for today
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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2009, 23:15:55 »

my repair book is nearly brand new we're learning about current things and the program is tied in with Cisco computer systems, we take online tests and everything is up to date. My teacher is an excellent teacher and he is not "old school" this is modern stuff, so believe me when i say i know what i'm talking about, no matter what the processor is there is always the risk of damage, if you give the processor too much voltage you could ruin it, it could easily overheat if the computer is loaded with dust or you dont have adiquite cooling equipment. Now the GPU, its not smart to overclock them so much that they have to shut off because they're too hot, that means you're making the GPU work too hard or you do not have proper cooling system and if you do that too many times thats how you're going to damage the GPU, computers are made the way they are because it works properly, and doesn't overheat. If the factory settings are not fast enough for you then you should have bought a faster GPU or CPU, my rant for today

What He said :P No Really Keane I dont think abyone could have said it better  :doh:

And your rants are always fun to listen to lol  ::)
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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2009, 23:18:09 »

Let's get down to earth guys, we're talking about a stock computer here.. :)
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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2009, 00:14:38 »

I think 3,33gHz Dual-Core would be better if not playing the most newest übergames wich supports more than 2 cores.
And about that overclocking... lets keep it out from here. I send message about it for Master Captain and if he wants publish it lets make new topic
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Master Captain

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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2009, 00:20:04 »

3.33ghz dual core is plenty fast enough for the current games, its more than the CPU that makes a computer, you have ram and the gpu that also have a major effect on a computers performance.
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kerNeli

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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #48 on: October 25, 2009, 00:24:05 »

Yes ofcourse but i was just saying if not playing the newest ones you should stay on 2 cores. I wasnt talking about memorys etc.
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Capt. Matt

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Re: Finally Found a computer!!
« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2009, 02:00:23 »

Oh Boy  :P

Im doing everything in my power not to say whats on the top of my head someone doesnt know much about computers There  ::)
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