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Capt. Matt

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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2009, 15:52:35 »
Oh I didnt see your other post
At a touch and go type of docking?
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2009, 16:31:38 »
No. A perfectly normal mooring has taken place. Clue, a ship is underway if she is not at anchor, made fast to the shore or aground. ???
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2009, 17:38:55 »
dont know?
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2009, 22:32:30 »
OK Capt. Matt, the answer to my question is when a ship is moored at any of the floating landing stages on the River Mersey in England. When a ship is tied up to any of these stages she is not aground, not at anchor and not made fast to the shore, only to the floating stage!!! Not many folk know this odd requirement but even the brand new Ocean Cruise Liner terminal at Liverpool Pierhead is covered by this ruling. The tides on the Mersey are quite high, having a rise and fall of up to 32 feet. So the terminal is floating, the terminal is made fast to the shore, but the ship is not. See picture of MV "Rotterdam" moored at the Pierhead.
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2009, 22:46:00 »
oh cool did not know that ;)  :2thumbs:
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2009, 23:11:43 »
That is also true of many of the vessels in the Solent (and elsewhere, no doubt). They are often tied up to floating finger jetties. In many cases, those jetties are only held in position by running staves (which means a hoop round a rod, so that the jetty can rise and fall with the 12 - 15 foot tides we get in the Solent).

Sometimes the jetties are fastened to other jetties which may be affixed to the shore on some moving mechanism.
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2009, 00:03:38 »
thats how they do it on the hudson wioth the ferries well most of them odd ly enough the tides there arent that great but they dock on barges
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2009, 11:20:36 »
I quote:-
Dear Sir
 
You are correct in your assertion that vessels fast alongside at the Liverpool Landing stage, and also Woodside and Seacombe stages continue to exhibit their 'steaming' lights. I'm not sure of the history of this rule, but the requirement is still in place and is enacted through the 'Mersey Collision Regulations', which have precedence over the 'Collision Rules' within port limits.
 
Hope this helps
 
Secretary
Liverpool Pilots

The above is a message I received from the Liverpool Pilots confirming my posts, interesting to know that the Mersey Collision Regulations take precedence over the International Regulations within the limits of Liverpool Port.
I should add that the Twelve Quays ferry terminal at Birkenhead used by the Norfolk Line and Isle of Man Steam Packet Company ferries is also covered by this ruling.
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2009, 16:51:14 »
Hi guys,
On the nav lights issue - we have flashing blue lights on vessels in SS08, but no flashing yellow on the hovercraft.  A vessel "running in non-displacement mode" should have a flashing yellow according to COLREGS. 
You certainly get a good look at these when sailing in the Solent as the hovercraft seem to like playing chicken with us yotties!! :)

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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2009, 17:47:14 »
I could outrun Freedom 90 in my last boat. Had some fun races with one of the captains that I know. He could beat me up the last 100 yards of the beach, though...  :doh:
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2009, 20:50:27 »
Quote from: Esprit350 on June 10, 2009, 16:51:14
Hi guys,
On the nav lights issue - we have flashing blue lights on vessels in SS08, but no flashing yellow on the hovercraft.  A vessel "running in non-displacement mode" should have a flashing yellow according to COLREGS. 
You certainly get a good look at these when sailing in the Solent as the hovercraft seem to like playing chicken with us yotties!! :)



The Freedom 90 do has a yellow flashing light in the game


Photo courtesy by mr. Diamant  :lol:
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2009, 20:54:09 »
hehe I was wondering what those lights were for :doh:
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2009, 21:10:13 »
Fireboat?
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2009, 21:14:53 »
Thats all I got :-\
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2009, 07:48:37 »

So there is a yellow!!  I have never noticed it - perhaps the mast is in the way and I have never looked at Freedom from other angles!!

Can't find the flashing red answer - is it in worldwide use or local to the country of Diamant?   I did find that a flashing light has to be more than 120 flashes per minute!
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2009, 09:54:13 »
Cool.
I guess they have an identity crisis.   Is it a plane, is it a boat..... no it's........both!

Their Nav lights do not make it into the UK Colregs book!  Perhaps they would be in air law/rules of the air books?
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2009, 14:09:44 »
cool its a boat its a plane , no its a floating plane  :-\ Hahaha :2thumbs:
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2009, 18:34:49 »
Quote from: Esprit350 on June 11, 2009, 09:54:13
Cool.
I guess they have an identity crisis.   Is it a plane, is it a boat..... no it's........both!

Their Nav lights do not make it into the UK Colregs book!  Perhaps they would be in air law/rules of the air books?

The IMO describes it as a WIG (Wing In Ground) plane. Their navigation lights and additional lights are described in rule 23 "Power driven vessels underway" of the COLREG
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2009, 22:16:22 »
Just a little note to add to my previous posts regarding the Mersey Collision Regulations. I received the following today from the Liverpool Pilots. I did not know this one about Tranmere Oil Jetties. Ships have to show anchor lights when moored there. ???
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"Hi Angus

 

Under the Mersey collision regulations a vessel moored at the pier head, Seacombe, Woodside and twelve quays has to exhibit steaming lights as if underway.  The regulations change for vessels at Tranmere as they would have to show anchor lights whilst alongside

 

This does differ from the international regulations for the prevention of collision at sea

 

 

Best regards

 

Julie Oram

Administrator

Liverpool Pilots Ltd."

There are many such strange rulings in different ports around the world.

Angus.
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2009, 01:01:40 »
Complicated, indeed. Thanks for the update, Angus  :thumbs:
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Re: 2 Red Lights on boat?
« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2009, 15:40:03 »
Inland vessels on the rivers on the European continent also have to show anchor lights while moored. Barges have anchorlights on starboard side and on portside, to indicate the safe side for passing while at anchor.
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