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Orinoco

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The European Union
« on: July 19, 2007, 10:11:56 »

Since there are tons of non-UK people on here (I'm looking at you, Scandinavia!) I thought it would be interesting to see where people lie on this.

So, are you a pro-EU or anti-EU?

Please remember that the EU and 'Europe' are not the same thing.

I don't really want to turn this into an argument, so I recommend everyone just states whether they're 'pro-EU', 'anti-EU' or 'Don't know'.

I'm especially interested in the opinion of our Scandinavian friends.

I'll go first:

I'm anti-EU.
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groennegaard

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2007, 10:24:07 »

For political reasons... I will not reveal my political opinion!  ;D

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Orinoco

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2007, 10:33:48 »

For political reasons... I will not reveal my political opinion!  ;D

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 :D
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groennegaard

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2007, 10:35:47 »

Do you want the UK to join Norden (official co-operation in the Nordic region) instead?  ;)
http://www.norden.org/start/start.asp?lang=6

Perhaps the fact that you are descendants of Danish vikings will help you in this matter...  ;D

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Orinoco

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2007, 10:50:01 »

Not sure where my origins lie actually. My mum's side of the family originates from the North East (suggesting vikings etc), whereas my dad's side (and myself) originate from the South West (suggesting Anglo-Saxon).

Who knows, I could be one of the rare few who, despite all the invasions, is actually 100% English.  :o

Besides, I don't think Iceland would have us in the Nordic Council, after the whole 'Cod Wars' incidents. :D
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Sammson

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2007, 17:08:35 »

For political reasons... I will not reveal my political opinion!  ;D

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groennegaard
A good point, especially if this is true:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com (http://http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com)
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Wonko_The_Sane

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2007, 17:43:48 »

I'm not sure how this discussion is relevant to this forum.   ???  ???  ???
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Orinoco

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2007, 17:54:54 »

I'm not sure how this discussion is relevant to this forum.   ???  ???  ???


It's not, that's why it's in 'small talk'. But, since you're American, what's your thoughts on the proposed 'North American Union'?
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groennegaard

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2007, 18:15:43 »

I'm not sure how this discussion is relevant to this forum.   ???  ???  ???


You are allowed to discuss almost anything on the Small talk board. The topic does not have to be relevant to Ship Simulator.

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Captain Davies

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2007, 18:20:25 »

I'm not sure the simple yes or no will cover it.  I'm pro EU to an extent, but against in other ways.  I beleive a hybrid is in order.
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Paddy134

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2007, 19:27:32 »

Im anti-EU.
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J3nsen

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2007, 20:30:48 »

Im anti-EU too  :P
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redbeard

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2007, 17:34:33 »

Im anti-EU.. Leave my Oil and gazzzzzz alone  :P
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Stuart2007

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2007, 21:20:42 »

Anti EU

(thanks Orinoco for acknowledging the difference between Europe and the EU)

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Stuart2007

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2007, 21:24:32 »

Perhaps the fact that you are descendants of Danish vikings will help you in this matter...  ;D

A university in UK did some research into this. They found a lot of Scandinavian DNA in the North of England, but very little in the South.

It seems that the defeat of Harold Hadrada reduced the number of Viking descendants living in England.

Stu
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Captain Davies

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2007, 21:40:35 »

A university in UK did some research into this. They found a lot of Scandinavian DNA in the North of England, but very little in the South.

It seems that the defeat of Harold Hadrada reduced the number of Viking descendants living in England.

Stu

Apparently the bulk of people in the UK are either Germanic or Celtic, mostly Germanic though.
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Stuart2007

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2007, 21:52:55 »

Or the bulk of Germanic people are actually British... ;)

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Orinoco

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2007, 21:54:23 »

Or the bulk of Germanic people are actually British... ;)

Stu

 :D :D
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Captain Davies

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2007, 22:28:28 »

Or the bulk of Germanic people are actually British... ;)

Stu

Interesting theory. ;D
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Stuart2007

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2007, 22:41:50 »

Thanks Capt D. Whilst it would appear unlikely that my point is correct, it does highlight the way research is done these days.

They start with a theory and then look for ways to prove it rather than look at what they have and find a theory from it. WHO says that we are descended from Germanic tribes and not vice versa?

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Captain Davies

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2007, 22:54:22 »

I think the assumptions are more to do with history than science, seeing as Britain (for instance) was regularly invaded (during the period Germanic..ness enterd the gene pool) rather than being the invader.  The only exception being my sessions on the Total War games!  :D
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Sam

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2007, 17:23:28 »

I am absolutly not anti E.U.

You have everywhere the same money and you don't need a visum to go into other contries.

Why are you all against the E.U?

Together we stand strong, that is my opinion.


@Captain Davies:
And if Britain isn't invaded then they'll make their own war in the New World (America). Then they fight their own country(with the French).
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redbeard

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2007, 17:58:10 »


Why are you all against the E.U?


I have lots of good reasons that I dont want Norway to join the EU. But I recommend all in this forum not to answer that question. This could cause a huge arguement. hehe.. Lets just respect our standings.  :)

/Cheers


I don't really want to turn this into an argument, so I recommend everyone just states whether they're 'pro-EU', 'anti-EU' or 'Don't know'.

I'm especially interested in the opinion of our Scandinavian friends.

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Captain Davies

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2007, 19:27:42 »

@Captain Davies:
And if Britain isn't invaded then they'll make their own war in the New World (America). Then they fight their own country(with the French).

Not likely, seeing as I destroyed them! ;D  But I was excomunicated for my troubles though.  :(  But that's wrong cause they started it!  :D

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Why are you all against the E.U?

I like the whole thing about being able to cross borders no problem, and the plans to have the mobile phone rates reduced is going to be really handy.  But when it comes to money; the £ is stronger than the € and I'm used to it.  When I see something priced in € I have no idea if it is a good deal or not, where as with £ I know where I'm standing.

Plans to convert Britain to Imperial rather than Metric were recently dropped, but had they not been people would have been forced to work with a system they were not used to.  It was total nonsense.

On top of that, Britain is going through decentralisation in the form of devolution to the Welsh Assembly, Scottish Parliament and Northern Irish Assembly.  It's working out well because these government bodies are nearer to the problem and are better placed to sort them.  Losing power to some major European body which had to please everyone would be centralisation, and a huge step back from the improvements going on right now.

I have lots of good reasons that I dont want Norway to join the EU. But I recommend all in this forum not to answer that question. This could cause a huge arguement. hehe.. Lets just respect our standings.  :)

I think it is perfectly possible for this to go on without becoming an argument, and I think that the waters between 'debate' and 'argument' have been far too muddied.  I feel it's a shame that people are not willing to debate more often.
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Stuart2007

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Re: The European Union
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2007, 22:24:06 »

Capt D- the euro is just something to get used to. I do a fair bit of trade with France and I trade in the ECU for convenience. That said, I am totally against the Euro for internal British trade and am totally against the EU.

Sam- The common market was an excellent idea- free trade amongst neighbours. But I do not want to be ruled by the EU- a group of sinister people that I can not elect- any more than I think Belgium wants to be Ruled by Britain.

As for decentralised governments- not sure I agree with you there, Capt D. The Scottish parliment building for example ran millions over budget, yet has not improved anything in Scotland. It makes it easier though to swallow up into a federal europe.

I think many people here are too young to fully understand the implications of the differences in culture between Britain and Europe. And I reiterate I am PRO Europe, just not EU. Our legal system is totally different for example- look at the amount of confrontations in the EU court. And does anyone really think the European convention on human rights is up to the job? That was devised over 60 years ago at the end of a much less pleasant era. To understand the difference in British Vs Europe law you need to go back to the Napoleonic era.

Capt D- on the German/British DNA- there are many similarities don't you think. Just look at the German humour for example, just like ours (very dry)

Stu
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