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IRI5HJ4CK

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Re: engine rooms
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2010, 15:08:12 »

If I'm honest I know little about the engineering side of things...but all this has really interested me.

Is there any particularly popular engine now that you see as an engineer clanky? Or is there a large multitude of different makes of engine? I've heard of Wärtsilä, Deutz and a few others, but as my said my knowledge in the engineering department is little to none...it's something i'd like to learn about :)

Jack.
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Stuart2007

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Re: engine rooms
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2010, 21:40:26 »

In addition to the J type- one of which was being installed in Beamish when I was there, they have a model of a seahorse, which actually started development AFTER the J type was started, but was abandoned due to XYZ (I can't recall- help anyone?)... but the later J types saw a lot of useful stuff from the Seahorse.

There is a damned impressive model of a J type in the London Science Museum... To think, most people on this forum would never believe Britain used to make anything at all, let alone ships and engines.
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Stuart2007

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Re: engine rooms
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2010, 21:41:35 »

Incidentally- Wartsilla- in the English tongue is it pronounced

Wartsillar

or

Wartsiylar

????#

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IRI5HJ4CK

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Re: engine rooms
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2010, 22:42:40 »

There is a damned impressive model of a J type in the London Science Museum... To think, most people on this forum would never believe Britain used to make anything at all, let alone ships and engines.

I think it's a shame that the industry went out of Britain...I suppose it was just thought at the time it'd be easier to import things at a lower cost..not good in the long run though :-\

Also; i've always pronounced it literally as it's spelt. But that's because I don't think i've heard differently..

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clanky

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Re: engine rooms
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2010, 07:58:28 »

Stuart, I think the correct pronunciation is along the lines of Vertsilja, but most people say Wartsilla.

Jack, there are a huge variety of engine types around, the two main categories are 2 stroke / slow speed engines and 4 stroke / medium speed engines.  Within these categories there are various manufacturers who all offer various models of engine aimed at different power output ranges.

In the medium speed market (mostly smaller ships and larger ships with multiple engines (cruise ships and ferries) the leader would be Wartsilla with MaK rapidly catching ground with their new M43 engine which has proved to be very reliable and very fuel efficient, although MAN / B&W and Deutz are still major players.

In the slow speed market there are only really two companies who matter and those are Sulzer (Wartsilla) and B&W.

When a ship is designed the naval architect will predict the power requirement to give the required service speed and then look at the engines available in that range, most engines can be purchased in various cylinder configurations (apparently MaK's come in an 8 cylinder version!) so that you can have a 6300kW MaK M43 (7 cylinder) or an 8100kW MaK M43 9 (cylinder) or pretty much any figure you like within the range.
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Stuart2007

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Re: engine rooms
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2010, 20:37:37 »

Sulzer is owned by MAN now, isn't it?
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clanky

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Re: engine rooms
« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2010, 07:52:27 »

No, B&W are owned by MAN, Sulzer by Wartsilla.
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IRI5HJ4CK

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Re: engine rooms
« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2010, 10:12:20 »

Stuart, I think the correct pronunciation is along the lines of Vertsilja, but most people say Wartsilla.

Jack, there are a huge variety of engine types around, the two main categories are 2 stroke / slow speed engines and 4 stroke / medium speed engines.  Within these categories there are various manufacturers who all offer various models of engine aimed at different power output ranges.

In the medium speed market (mostly smaller ships and larger ships with multiple engines (cruise ships and ferries) the leader would be Wartsilla with MaK rapidly catching ground with their new M43 engine which has proved to be very reliable and very fuel efficient, although MAN / B&W and Deutz are still major players.

In the slow speed market there are only really two companies who matter and those are Sulzer (Wartsilla) and B&W.

When a ship is designed the naval architect will predict the power requirement to give the required service speed and then look at the engines available in that range, most engines can be purchased in various cylinder configurations (apparently MaK's come in an 8 cylinder version!) so that you can have a 6300kW MaK M43 (7 cylinder) or an 8100kW MaK M43 9 (cylinder) or pretty much any figure you like within the range.


Ahhh I see!! Thanks very much...at least I know a little more now than I used to :doh:

I was reading the last paragraph and I was thinking; have you ever seen a ship that has been over powered/under powered? Might sound like a daft question, but I was curious as to whether or not it's ever happened..

Jack.
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Stuart2007

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Re: engine rooms
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2010, 13:08:27 »

No, B&W are owned by MAN, Sulzer by Wartsilla.

Ah, thanks. Paxman, Honsby, Ruston, Mirlees, all grouped together and I believe these are now owned by MAN then...

This, without drifting off topic, is precisely why national governments should never let all their market leaders combine into one... THey become sloppy, greedy and then get bought out by foreign companies.
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clanky

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Re: engine rooms
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2010, 10:19:51 »

have you ever seen a ship that has been over powered/under powered?

I have been on a few which were underpowered, but I don't think I have ever known one to be overpowered.

I was on a little containership called the Baltic Tern once which had a service speed of 13 knots unless she was steaming into the wind in which case we were lucky to get 7 knots out of her.
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« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2010, 14:25:45 »

I suspect that this vessel (http://www.amcmurray.us/8outboards.jpg) is overpowered.
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« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2010, 15:03:33 »

I suspect that this vessel (http://www.amcmurray.us/8outboards.jpg) is overpowered.

Not overpowered to be a drugdealer boat! :lol:
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