Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator 2008 => General discussions => Topic started by: allie on December 29, 2007, 21:55:16
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Really feel bad buying this game/sim, really a lett down.
Theres more reallisme in "dangerous waters, silent hunter, U688i.
I mean whats the meaning of this ?
Wheres the radar/Arpa, SatNav, Realistic charts.......
Oh man, better MOD a first person shooter game into a ship simulator.
Just had take a look on reallisme at the old Jane's DOS games
I'm not sure 100% i think it was GATO... people will know.
Theres even free simulators out there written by student on the "zeevaartschool".
I really had to write this , i'm sorry , i was really dissapointed in this.
Greetings,
Alphons de Wild
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its a good game it's just been released a few months and still have a few bugs but will be fixed soon , its called Ship Simulator because its a simulator on ships not shoot ship simulator , this isnt a shooting on boats simulator
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radar works.....have you looked properly, updated the games?
This is the 2nd YEAR. Look at the prpgress in that time.
SA
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Hi allie :)
Welcome to the forum. All opinions are welcome here of course.
SS08 does miss the nav. equipment you mention but it takes time to implement it all. I'm sure we will have that in the next SS.
I don't think you can say that SS is very expensive. The price is far below the price of an average game.
Regards
groennegaard
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The price is far below the price of an average game.
40 Euro's is not really far below the average price. Of course I don't know how much you pay for games in denmark but most new top notch games here, are about 40 to 50 Euro's, and usually pretty bug free and more complete, not to knock VSTEP, but that's just the truth. And a lot of them are even cheaper. I know in my game collection there are many more cheaper ones, but then, I usually wait a bit before I buy them. But it's not too expensive, I agree with that.
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Really feel bad buying this game/sim, really a lett down.
Theres more reallisme in "dangerous waters, silent hunter, U688i.
I mean whats the meaning of this ?
Wheres the radar/Arpa, SatNav, Realistic charts.......
Oh man, better MOD a first person shooter game into a ship simulator.
Just had take a look on reallisme at the old Jane's DOS games
I'm not sure 100% i think it was GATO... people will know.
Theres even free simulators out there written by student on the "zeevaartschool".
I really had to write this , i'm sorry , i was really dissapointed in this.
Greetings,
Alphons de Wild
Well the game company need to earn on something if they want this game to survive in a hard market.
It also cost a lot to develop these games. Some game companies are spending millions of dollars just on the development, publishing and marketing of a game. They don't grow on trees.
The same goes for this game. If VSTEP is going to make this ever growing wish-list for this game into real stuff we all need to pay for it. Personally I have no problem with the price. I would pay more just to see my wishes for this game become true if that what it takes.
And yeah I know about all the freebies out there who want it all free no matter what reason... ::)
They have 1000's of reasons for not paying for something.. :P
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40 Euro's is not really far below the average price. Of course I don't know how much you pay for games in denmark but most new top notch games here, are about 40 to 50 Euro's, and usually pretty bug free and more complete, not to knock VSTEP, but that's just the truth. And a lot of them are even cheaper. I know in my game collection there are many more cheaper ones, but then, I usually wait a bit before I buy them.
I believe an average game here is 50-55€, SS is 40€. That is at least 20% less than a typical game, which I think is perceptible. But it wasn't my intention to discuss the price in details. My point was that I don't think it's fair to mark the game as 'very expensive'.
Regards
groennegaard
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Well yeah ok, so we are lucky here that games are a bit cheaper.. the best titles are around 50 and most "average" games around 25 to 30. But indeed, that was not the point. :)
I agree with you though, SS is not "very expensive"!!
And most games you buy are done and will not be updated. This one will. Free upgrades have and will come around. More content will follow. It's still in development and that means it will only get better with time.
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Yep,some people find always a reason to complaint.
Within the 2 years that the game had it's release,some of the wishes are already created.Offcource not all the wishes are made,but that would something impossible on the end,this game just needs to grown in time,than all the bugs and errors will be fixed.This takes time!
About the price,i thinks it's a fair trade,no matter what.If you see the price of some other games.
Marc
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Well said :)
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I think you have to remember that this is not a "shoot 'em up" game, so it has a lot less sales than the big games against which it is being compared. It isn't intended to be that sort of game.
DISADVANTAGE:
Therefore, we pay a higher cost.
The game may have less features than the arcade games
Initially, the game may have more bugs that require ironing out
The game may never do some of the whizzy twirly things that others do
ADVANTAGE:
Each of us has a much louder voice than if we were dealing with Microsoft or EA Games, etc. (you have virtually or absolutely no voice with them).
You can directly influence how the game evolves.
This is a "community"
We can create our own missions
Maybe someday we can create our own ships
Maybe someday we can create our own environments
So, on balance, I think that the price is good and provided you stick with this for the medium term, it will get better and better and do the things that YOU want, if you want them enough. :)
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Really feel bad buying this game/sim, really a lett down.
Theres more reallisme in "dangerous waters, silent hunter, U688i.
I mean whats the meaning of this ?
Wheres the radar/Arpa, SatNav, Realistic charts.......
Oh man, better MOD a first person shooter game into a ship simulator.
Just had take a look on reallisme at the old Jane's DOS games
I'm not sure 100% i think it was GATO... people will know.
Theres even free simulators out there written by student on the "zeevaartschool".
I really had to write this , i'm sorry , i was really dissapointed in this.
Greetings,
Alphons de Wild
Hi Allie,
Definitely your opinion is really different than mine.
SS 06 and or SS08 offers a good chance for the players to LEARN something about ships handling, instead to then put their life in risk into the sea and boring all the other sailors which needs to survive.
The price is nothing compared with such advantage offered by Messrs VSTEP to us.
You could enjoy the community (forum) and share opinions with all others users “Even find a new friendâ€
I could repeat to you what was already explained by Mr. Shipwreck, Mr. Shipaddic, Mr. Groennegaard, Mr. Mad_Fred, Mr. JHB, Mr. Marcstrat and Mr. Terry Russell. But I just kindly ask you to read what they wrote to you and then you just have to decide what really you want.
• Just a small comments.
I have found good people here (On the forum) Good friends as all those gentleman’s mentioned above and many others more I will be happy to have all those good friend in my mind.
So,
You got more than a game with VSTEP. You got opportunity to participate in a community and find friends.
Sincerely I wish all the best.
Tot ziens Meneer.
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I had no qualms about the price, and basically go along with what has been said before me. However, i think it worth bareing in mind that the more one tries to make the simulator reflect a higher and higher realism, the computor needed to run it effectively will have to keep pace.
How many people have we seen on these forums experiencing problems due to having inadequate processing power/memory, or not having the latest graphics card etc. Those of us on restricted budgets are finding it very hard to keep pace with the processing demands of the latest software as it is. I'm cool at the moment with Ship Sim. Just hope the gremlins get sorted soon that's all. Regards, Brian
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Good morning, Brian:
That’s a very important point, usually never considered by those who ask for extra features not readily accommodated by the current design. Giving them their heart’s desire might result in a simulator that they, and many others, can’t play without purchasing a new computer.
Best regards,
Marty
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Well well well...I don't wanna call this sim a very system demanding sim compared to FSX for example that now supports DX10. Ship Simulator isn't very system demanding compared to other new computer games on the market.
Those of you that find it so hard to get a system to run this game should either grow up and find yourself a job or start spending the money in a economic way to save them for a system that can run this game or work harder with your parents. ::) You cannot get all in this world for free. And I'm really don't want to see a game that is going to support the computers back to 1990 or something like that.
I hope that Ship Simulator will be a game that supports small systems to highly powerful systems and the way to do that is to have a large system setting interface where the player can turn on and off options so he can make the game to run better with his system. It already have options for setting the graphics in the game and these options can become better and more customized than "pre-fabricated" solution.
For the game "Crysis" you have these settings for graphics: Low, Medium, High, Very High. So when you have a small not very powerful system you may only play it at low and cannot reach the Very High level until you upgrade your hardware. That just makes sense to me.. 8)
I think it's a little too easy today to think it in the way "my system can run it all...". And it's easier to jump into this board and hold a long speech that your system cannot run Ship Simulator than actually save some money and upgrade it. Because saving money is a lot harder... for someone. And they probably have 1000s of reasons for that too. So the "dream scene" for someone is to see Ship Simulator as very low price (almost no price at all), and that can run on a computer from the 1990s. And it's not so simple to say that a computer game can support all kinds of hardware. It just doesn't work in that way. Some games require just 1-5 specified graphics cards that a game supports. And if your system don't have the specified graphic card you will get a message during installation that "this game doesn't support your graphic card".
Also the amount of customers that buy the game will have a influence on the price (I guess). ;)
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Me and my big mouth, eh Marty? *chuckle*.
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Me and my big mouth, eh Marty? *chuckle*.
Now look at what's you've started! You make sure you clear the blood away afterwards.... ;D
But, I have to agree with JHB (currently trying to look like his Idol DJM), in that SS08 is not shockingly demanding of a PC's abilities. It gives good "bang for the bucks" in my opinion.
But, as whether or not people should spend their money one way or another: none of my business (hint, hint).
And what's all this about computers from the 1990s? Did the sixties finish, then?
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Where did I put the @#$% Band-Aids?
I didn’t mean that SS should remain crippled from the benefit of those with Sinclairs or TRS80s.
I was referring to things like fully simulated sub-surface with fishies, starfish, and submarines, which would make unnecessarily high demands, while departing from the primary purpose of SS.
While it’s true that some of the more demanding features could be made optional, that might be difficult to accomplish for others. Perhaps it might be necessary to have two versions of SS, one for high performance systems—with extra features, and one for systems that the masses can afford.
For me, the Windows emulator on my Cray seems adequate. ;D
Marty
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Hi Marty.
The price of high-end PC equipment is very low these days so I don't see that as the major obstacle. More likely, the fantastic rise in computing power will come to a ceiling very soon.
Intel are already stating that it won't be possible to get much more out of intgrated circuit technology, and they have no new technologies in reserve (or at least none that they admit to that seem likely).
At that point, I think the spotlight will fall on software folk to improve the effectiveness of their output. Programming in high-level languages is all very well, but it has a huge overhead in computing and memory requirements.
I still program Windows products in machine code, which is highly unusual, I gather. This makes for very small (tiny) programs which trundle along many times faster than a Visual Net or even C# equivalents. But, it takes lot longer for me to write the code.
Things to come, I believe.
Us Z80 Sinclair Machine Code programmers will rule once more. Tomoorrow the World. I am a Dalek. You must obey...
[Terry's Nurse here: we had to lock him up again for a while until the medicines kick in. Sorry for the interruption]
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Hey Marty:
I know we're getting off-topic here, but what's a "Sinclair"? I remember buying my first computer back in the late 70's and having to choose among a TRS80, Commodore 64, and Apple II Plus (I chose the latter) but I don't believe I ever heard of a Sinclair. Must have been a short-lived beast.
As for complaints about our beloved Ship Simulator, there will always be detractors and nay-sayers berating the good things in life. You can only let them rant and move on whilst the rest of us continue to enjoy a delightful cruise exploring the wonders of Phi Phi, Rotterdam, et. al.
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Terry here!
In the States you knew them as "Timex". They were made under license from Sinclair.
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Strange you didn't ask what a "Dalek" is, though...
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We dare not ask about the "Dalek". There are some things in life that Man was not meant to know. (Or could not care less about.)
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You'd care if you met one.
"Anyone can make a mistake!" said the Dalek as he got off the dustbin. - British Joke. Like Marmite, not intended for human consumption in the USA.
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Now, Terry, the Z80 was quite a powerful process controller in its day, especially when programmed in Forth, for which it was a good match. I did a very large Elemental Analyzer with the Z80 and a floating point processor. It measured the percentage of Sulfur in bulk coal or oil by analyzing prompt gammas from thermal neutron capture.
Marty
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Al, I never actually used a Sinclair. I just trot the name out to impress other geeks.
On the subject of “geekâ€; I wonder why they have eschewed “nerd†in favor of a word that, historically, meant a sideshow performer who bites the heads off live chickens.
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Al, I never actually used a Sinclair. I just trot the name out to impress other geeks.
On the subject of “geek”; I wonder why they have eschewed “nerd” in favor of a word that, historically, meant a sideshow performer who bites the heads off live chickens.
As prominent Geek & Nerd, I must protest at your false use of the word "Sinclair". Only true believers and those of who know that the Z80 instruction for "POP BC" is 127,201 are entitled to utter the name of Sir Clive.
Just don't mention the C5.
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And if you were a REAL geek, like me, you'd know that you can see the ZX80 at
http://computermuseum.50megs.com/brands/zx80.htm
and the ZX81 at
http://computermuseum.50megs.com/brands/zx81.htm
and the Spectrum at
http://computermuseum.50megs.com/brands/zxspectrum.htm
Top that! 8)
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Now, where are those chickens?
Here birdie, birdie...... ;D
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Terry,
It might be viable to bring back the Timex computer brand.
I’m sure many folk wish they’d had a laptop that “Takes a lickin’ and keeps on tickin’â€. :)
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Marty - You didn't use a Sinclair? What a letdown. I'm glad Terry is still a true believer, otherwise how would we know that the Z80 instruction for POP BC is 127,201? (Actually, it's 127,202, but who's counting?)
I'll bet the guy who started this thread feels completely vindicated by now.
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Hello,
http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/195/19571.html
is it not 193?
Luc
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Hello,
http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/195/19571.html
is it not 193?
Luc
Only if you're speaking in Hex, which I'm not. {he he]. You didn't think I could accurately recall it after twenty years, did you?
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Well, I remember some (few) useless numbers of 50 years ago, but I cannot even remember relatively recent (and useless too) 8051 assembler mnemonics. But no, I had no doubt (like a certain PM) until alazose doubted the number.
Now, "127, 201" is it not ESC C9 or something like that. What relation does it have with the opcode C1?
I never had such a very expensive system based on a Z80, just had a look at it for its PIO, when it became affordable....
Luc
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Hi Luc.
Actually, I plucked the numbers out for the wrong processor! My bad.... I was looking in the bookcase behind me for the Z80 manual and couldn't find it, so I guessed but got an old 4-bit processor code set in my head instead.
I still possess the Z80 (Zilog) Manaual and I still use from time to time when a problem get sescalated to me - not often as I'm very expensive! - but just before Christmas, I moved that manual to another floor in the building becuase I haven't needed it in five years or more. Now what are the chances of that?
I always liked the Z80 code set. Most of it was single byte, but there were certain sequnces which went into two or in some cases four bytes. Since this conversation started, I have just been up to the top floor and pulled an old ZX80 out of the box. It fired up right away. Boot time < 1 second! If only Windows would...
Then I got out the ZX81 and have just played a game of Mazogs on it. Wonderful stuff.
16K of memory -luxury. 64K - Wow, there's no way I can ever fill that up with code.
And now back to Windows Machine Code:
PUSH 0
CALL GetModuleHandleA@4
MOV [HINST], EAX
PUSH 0
PUSH OFFSET WINDPROC
PUSH [HINST]
CALL DialogBoxParamA@20
CMP EAX, -1
JNE KOL
And good night, everyone!
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Ah the ZX81 - my first computer, 1K of memory, no colour, no sound, touch sensitive keyboard, programmes on audio tapes. I had the memory expansion kit that took it to 16K!
I have a USB watch with more memory today! Ah the 'good old days!'
I also had a friend at school who had a C5
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My condolencies regarding your school friend. No human being should ever have to admit to knowing anyone who bought a C5.
This Christmas my wife gave me a watch which consists of a set of blue leds which show the time in terms of being lit or not. She said that I would now have something that would really communicate with me. I could tell the time with it as soon as I put it on my wrist. It's now an old friend!
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He looked are right (fill in your own word) arriving at school in it!
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If I hadn't already been too old and fat to get in one, who knows? It could have been me.
Oh dear!
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My condolencies regarding your school friend. No human being should ever have to admit to knowing anyone who bought a C5.
I'd rather have a BMX (which I did ;)). They may take more leg power, but at least they had street cred :D
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BMX? New fangled contraptions!
What's wrong with a good old Penny-Farthing?
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I was about to take this thread in the direction of discussing the significance of the Penny-Farthing in “The Prisonerâ€, but instead I’ll inform you that one of the more interesting sports here in Oregon is mountain unicycling.
Marty
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Oregon? I know it well. One of my wife's Aunts and her cousins live there, and I have an old friend who married a man in Oregon and moved out there many years ago. She still lives there, 20 years after she divorced him and we see each other quite often.
Plus, the parent company of one of my clients is based in Oregon and I visit them a couple of times each year, just to frighten them. ;D
Mountain Unicycling? I'v eheard of that, but never done it (so far...)
Now, if that could be combined with the sport of Extreme Ironing, then we'd have a world-class lunatic sport in which people unicycle up mountains and do their ironing while balancing on a precipitous ledge. Extreme Unicycle Mountain Ironing - WOW!
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White Water river surfing is another popular sport here, along with ocean kayaking.
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A number of people around these parts do ocean kayaking, or "suicide mission" as the locals call it. It always seems to me that a kayak is just waiting foir a chance to throw you upside down
Extreme Unicycle Mountain Ironing - now that's my new sport! To unicylce up to the top of Ben Nevis and do my ironing while sat on the unicycle, balanced on a ledge.
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As I live in the shadow of Ben Nevis and I'm day off work tomorrow, I think I shall take a wheel of my mountain bike, tuck the ironing board under my arm and give it a try!
Stand by for the report if I survive ;D
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I'll check the obituaries and listen to the news with interest!
How about Extreme Ocen Kayak Ironing? That is, going out in a Kayak in the English Channel (Straights of Dover being best) in a Force 8 or above and then doing the ironing?
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Good news! I survived!!!
The other half took this picture if you look hard enough you can just see me half way down ;D
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Ow, good old memories... I've climbed this beauty as well, 2 years ago. The top of the mountain was in the clouds as usual, but that made it even more special.
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Good news! I survived!!!
The other half took this picture if you look hard enough you can just see me half way down ;D
Yeah, but look at the creases in that shirt! The judging committee have decided to knock 10 points off your score for that.
Ow, good old memories... I've climbed this beauty as well, 2 years ago. The top of the mountain was in the clouds as usual, but that made it even more special.
But did you go up on a unicycle and do your ironing? It doesn't count if not! ;D
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Yeah, but look at the creases in that shirt! The judging committee have decided to knock 10 points off your score for that.
I wish to appeal the 10 point deduction. This shirt was creased while I was trying to shoo away a big yellow bird with crabs in it! See attached pic......
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The members of the committee have unanimously decided that they will reinstate the 10 points and award 15 bonus points if you allow the big yellow bird to give you a haircut., whilst ironing.
They believe that would qualify as "extreme".
Photographic evidence will be required.
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Hmm...........this has to be rated as one of the strangest topics on the forum :D