Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator 2008 => General discussions => Topic started by: lx585x on August 11, 2007, 20:30:02
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i was just wondering...i saw a pic of some ships in night but there were no lights on it is it planned for it to be added in patch or it will stay like this for a while ;)
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i was just wondering...i saw a pic of some ships in night but there were no lights on it is it planned for it to be added in patch or it will stay like this for a while ;)
Which ship was it? It has to be night before the lights are lit.
The lights will better with the new patch - I hope! ;) We are working on it but I am not sure if it all can be fixed before the release.
Regards
groennegaard
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hmm think it was titanic ;)
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I thought all the ships had lights at night. At least all the ones I've seen.
PoR and the smaller ones have, Eagle and Jet have. Don't know about the others.
Stu
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The Titanic does have lights...
Take a look at the Titanic screenshots topic:
http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,966.0.html
There is one shot show the sternlight and here is another one showing the masthead lights and a sidelight.
Regards
groennegaard
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i c but what about thje lights from the windows? are there any or it ain't planned for it?
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The Titanic does have lights...
Take a look at the Titanic screenshots topic:
http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,966.0.html
There is one shot show the sternlight and here is another one showing the masthead lights and a sidelight.
Regards
groennegaard
Yeah, and all the passengers can see in the dark...
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No, they've just got their curtains closed.
Last time I was in a cabin at the front (3 decks below bridge) we were instructed to keep curtains closed at night- whether to avoid reflection and upset the watchman or to avoid giving off the appearance of confusing navigational lights to oncoming ships, I don't know.
Mr Groeenegaard- is this normal procedure?
Stu
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Are you kidding? At night, cruise ships are lit up like Christmas trees.
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Well, there was a great big notice about 12" wide.
Queried it and got told it was correct. I can only think that it is because of reflections on the forecastle that upest the bridge.
Stu
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Maybe at the front, but the side cabins and public areas are very bright indeed.
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emmm i agree with the christmas tree thingy lol i see the cruise ships a lot of times at nights and you c the lights in all the windows... watch what ships just ram others :D
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Yeah, and all the passengers can see in the dark...
All your passenger lights!! :P :D
Have you ever read the THE INTERNATIONAL REGULATIONS FOR PREVENTING
COLLISIONS AT SEA? You should do that... ;)
PART C. LIGHTS AND SHAPES
Rule 20
Application
(a) Rules in this Part shall be complied with in all weathers.
(b) The rules concerning lights shall be complied with from sunset to sunrise, and during such
times no other lights shall be exhibited, except such lights as cannot be mistaken for the lights
specified in these Rules or do not impair their visibility or distinctive character, or interfere with
the keeping of a proper look-out.
From a distance, most lights can be mistaken for the lights in the rules, and without radar and AIS the visual look-out was of even more importance than today. Even though films show lots of lights on the Titanic, I do not think that the crew would have blend themselves in such a large scale...
Regards
groennegaard
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if there is land behind a ship with lots of lights and if it is far away you can easily think that those lights is actually a small city
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Have you ever read the THE INTERNATIONAL REGULATIONS FOR PREVENTING
COLLISIONS AT SEA? You should do that... ;)
Funny enough... No. ;)
Did do a RYA course for sailing yachts years back and it was pointed out that a large ship at distance with lots of lights can look similar to a small light on a much nearer ship. Having read the marine accident report into the sining of 'ouzo' ( a small sailing vessel) by P&O Pride of Bilbao I can see why so many regs appear to have little importance until one sees the real thechnical reason for it.
Stu
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but how can you prevent that passengers have their lights on i mean opened windows so you see the light isn't that a bit hard? :-\
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I think they were more worried about those right at the bow, under the bridge.
Maybe if they catch you, they keel-haul you? That will stop repeat offenders :)
Stu
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In practice we switch off the deck lights and black out the front window below the bridge. Stu, we don't keel-haul passengers anymore even though some of them certainly deserve such a ride... ;D
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so passengers live in dark bellow??
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so passengers live in dark bellow??
Perhaps... But I think most of them have their lights on behind the curtains... ;)
Regards
groennegaard
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Perhaps... But I think most of them have their lights on behind the curtains... ;)
Regards
groennegaard
curtains but how can you control who has them and who don't ?
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In the past, it was not unusual that the captain gave the order to kill all the lights at the front and front quoaters of the ship.
It was indeed done for navigational reasons not to be mistaken for anything els but a ship, the officers on board kept a good watch inside the ship to be sure the curtans or blinds were closed, and stayed that way until the captain desided otherwise.
The more traffic they encountered the more these procedures were issued.
These days there is still a regulation about these procedures, although with modern navigational instruments you have a better view of whats around you (radar+ais+vhf) nevertheless, i still hear occasionally of Captains to order a "lights out"
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curtains but how can you control who has them and who don't ?
If I'm annoyed by lights from a window I simply grab the phone and call the room directly or get a stewardess to kindly ask the passengers to draw the curtains. :)
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hmm there should be like small little "doors" on the windows that u can close with a switch maybe :D
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hmm there should be like small little "doors" on the windows that u can close with a switch maybe :D
I don't think that will be a good idea since the windows often are used as secondary escape routes... ::) and people will feel locked up. But of course, my job will be easier as I would be able to skip all the related phone calls... ;)
Regards
groennegaard
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Most of my travels on ships have been on long distance ferries- mostly (yes, you guessed) PO Bilbao. I've never seen the deck lights extinguished externally.
I'm not saying this to contradict you as you clearly know the subject better than I! Just saying what I've seen. The only time I've ever encountered such rules was on the old P&O (cruises) Arcadia.
One Q... If they extinguish all outer deck lights what happens when someone goes out on deck for a walk and can't see where the're going? :)
Stu
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Most of my travels on ships have been on long distance ferries- mostly (yes, you guessed) PO Bilbao. I've never seen the deck lights extinguished externally.
I'm not saying this to contradict you as you clearly know the subject better than I! Just saying what I've seen. The only time I've ever encountered such rules was on the old P&O (cruises) Arcadia.
One Q... If they extinguish all outer deck lights what happens when someone goes out on deck for a walk and can't see where the're going? :)
Hi Stu!
Of course some of the less powerfull decklights are left on to light up the promenade decks for the passengers, but the forecastle- and poop-decklights as well as the spotlights should be off. Then there will always be different interpretations of how to comply with the rules, and this is probably why you see all these lights on... ;)
Regards
groennegaard
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OK. Thanks. In fairness, the spotlights are turned off after leaving port. Still brightly lit though.
One Q... If they extinguish all outer deck lights what happens when someone goes out on deck for a walk and can't see where the're going? :)
I wasn't meaning that sarcastically, BTW.
Stu
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Just a quick note.
There is another topic running about lights- I've closed it and kept this one open, but might still be worth a look if interested.
http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,1700.0/topicseen.html
Stu
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hmm there should be like small little "doors" on the windows that u can close with a switch maybe :D
There are on P&O ships, especially on the lower decks - they're closed in rough seas etc - not sure if they're closed to stop light leakage.
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Light leakage??? :o
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Light leakage??? :o
he meant leakage of light i think lol ;)
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The navigation lights carried by the pilot launch in the game are those for a pilot v/l "Not under way". Since the vessel in the game is usually under way she should also be showing red and green side lights to comply with the International Rules. Without the side lights it is not possible to know how she is heading when seen by other vessels. :o
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The navigation lights carried by the pilot launch in the game are those for a pilot v/l "Not under way". Since the vessel in the game is usually under way she should also be showing red and green side lights to comply with the International Rules. Without the side lights it is not possible to know how she is heading when seen by other vessels. :o
Hi Traddles! :)
All the navigation lights will be updated in the next patch and the pilot vessel will show it's sidelights when it is under way. The lights will not be perfect though, as this requires further development of the sim to get e.g. the right amount of masthead lights when towing, anchor lights, not under command lights and so on. I am sure that they will come, just don't expect them to be in the next patch. ;)
Regards
groennegaard
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On most merchant ships the deck lights are turned off at night as not to hamper navigation, however the external accomodation lights to the side and rear are left on for the safety of the crew. As a general rule the crew should not be on the main deck at night so no lights are required. The only time i illuminated the deck flood lights, and indeed any light that was no the deck was when travelling through pirate infested areas such as the malacca straits in indonesia, to help spot any unwanted boarding parties and to act as a deterant.
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The only time i illuminated the deck flood lights, and indeed any light that was no the deck was when travelling through pirate infested areas such as the malacca straits in indonesia, to help spot any unwanted boarding parties and to act as a deterant.
That sounds very scary. Does that happen often then?
Regards.
DJM.
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more than the general public are are aware of, personally i have never been boarded but have known people who have. Piracy is actually getting worse in some areas. For example here is a recent warning ;
'PIRATE ACTIVTY IN EAST AFRICA >>Reports emerging from East Africa indicate that a St Vincent and the Grenadines flagged cargo M/V Reef Azania is missing while under way to Seychelles from Dubai. Crew members on board are composed of 4 Asian & 8 Tanzanian nationals. The vessel was expected to call Seychelles before heading to Zanzibar. The vessel lost contact since June 24th.This is the 3rd ocean-going vessel reported missing under mysterious circumstance along the Indian Ocean in a span of one month. A Panama-flagged cargo vessel has gone missing in Somalia's pirate-infested waters. The M/V Infinity Marine 1 disappeared 37 nautical miles off the northeastern village of Ras Hafun in late June. The vessel, sailing from the United Arab Emirates, was carrying general cargo including food stuffs, iron sheet, generators, batteries, white wood & light vehicles. Four vessels - one from Taiwan, another from Denmark and two from South Korea - are already currently in the hands of pirates off the coast of war-torn Somalia. (Sun. July 22 2007)
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Now that has surprised me, in all honesty I never knew it was that bad. Kinda scary really to think that is still going on in the 21st Century :-\
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the above post is more dramatic than usual, but never the less frightening, this is last moths reports which show the usual trend:
WEEKLY IMB PIRATE REPORTS ___ Only 10% of Attacks Reported __
12 July 2007: 1555 UTC: Chittagong anchorage 'B', Bangladesh. Six pirates, armed with knives, boarded an anchored container ship. D/O raised the alarm, all crew mustered & chased the robbers. Robbers stole ship's stores & escaped. (Sat. July 21 2007)
11 July 2007: 0500 LT: Belawan anchorage, Indonesia. Duty crew, on an anchored chemical tanker, spotted a pirate on the forecastle deck. The OOW was informed and the alarm raised. The robber jumped overboard & escaped in an unlit boat. Later ships stores were found missing. (Sat. July 21 2007)
10 July 2007: 0245 UTC: Posn 12:59N 049:17E 90 nm North of Somali northern coast, Gulf of Aden. A tug, underway, observed a dhow type-fishing vessel on her port side proceeding on a reciprocal course -- fishing vessel altered & started coming closer to tug. As tug altered course, fishing vessel altered her course & increased speed as well. Once the tug increased speed, the fishing vessel aborted the attempt. (Sat. July 21 2007)
08 Juy 2007: 1842 LT: Posn 00:19:0N - 050:45:0E, Somalia. OOW on a container ship, underway, spotted small craft at distance of 13nm on starboard bow. The craft increased speed & headed directly for the ship. The Master was notified and the ship carried out evasive maneuvers. Craft adjusted course & speed to close onto the ship. The Master ordered all lights to be switched off & increased speed. Distance between the craft & ship slowly decreased, however, later the craft moved away. (Sat. July 21 2007)
20 July 2007: 1930 LT: Posn 13:21N 052:21.2E, Somalia. An unlit craft approached a bulk carrier, underway from her starboard bow. The Master continuously altered course; the craft also adjust her course & speed. Later the ship spotted another unlit craft, which also started adjusting course & speed towards the ship. The Master notified all crew & took maximum precautions. This continued for about 2.5 hours before the small crafts aborted their attempt. (Sat. July 21 2007)
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has all the hallmarks for a ship sim mission, avoid the pirate's attempt to board ;)
sorry for going off topic ;)
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has all the hallmarks for a ship sim mission, avoid the pirate's attempt to board ;)
sorry for going off topic ;)
I agree, would be a great mission :)
It was my fault that this went off-topic, so I apologise for that ;)
Regards.
DJM.
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Hi all.
Ummmmm! I’m a bit afraid of this being a bit too long! I just hope a don’t bore you with this attempt to introduce myself and voice my first concern with Ship Simulator.
I am a new member here, and I am still feeling my way around! I purchased the Ship simulator in the hope that I could re-enact many of my past experiences and pleasures on real boats and ships, and possibly further my experience of handling vessels of all kinds in my dotage! Lol! I have to say that I did not choose the sea for my career. I’m actually a retired art teacher (lol), but I have gained much through study and experience of the sea, of sailing and navigation, with owning a couple of small vessels in my time, and had many exciting and interesting experiences with them. I am hoping that by registering my purchase and joining your discussion groups I might further my enjoyment both by communicating with like minded people and in contributing to further development of Ship Simulator.
I have several points of interest to offer for the future development of this wonderful Ship Simulator program. I live in Merseyside, England, and ever since I was a youngster I have always been a lover of boats and ships, and have had close contacts with people who live and work on the river Mersey, and made many friends over the years with tug crews, ferry crews and officers/captains. I have had the experience – and pleasure – of being a guest on the bridges, during both day and night passages, on many of these vessels – even been on the helm for an hour or two at a time!
I also, since I retired from teaching, have built a couple of scale models of local vessels, an Isle of Man steamer and a Birkenhead ferry steamer, radio controlled, with lights.
It is this question of LIGHTS that I want to discuss. All the conversation so far in this topic has been about general lights about the ship. What I have found wanting in this Ship simulator so far is the lack of NAVIGATION lights on other ships – as seen by us from the vessel we are controlling. Yes, deck lights, portholes, etc. of another ship should all be visible from our own bridge. However, if one just sees a mass of lights in a bunch on the horizon it is either a fixed structure like an oil or gas platform or a vessel moving away from you; you’re looking directly at its stern or stern quarters.
However, if that other vessel is under way and is moving across your bows and maybe moving towards you, you would see it’s BRIGHTER white navigation lights on its mast-heads or superstructure ABOVE the deck lights! These are of paramount importance, and are obligatory on every ship. They should be visible at a distance of 30 sea miles – possibly more from a very high bridge. Those two power lights display to you that vessel’s direction of travel in relation to your own, giving you ample time to ponder any diversion of course, if needed, to prevent a collision. Their port and starb’d lights should be visible at a distance of 10 to 15 miles.
Also, the bouys on either side of a channel would be lit up – green lights on the starb’d hand when viewed on entering, with red on the port side.
I really do miss these important features in Ship Simulator.
Ronnie.
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Hi Ronnie,
If you have a recent version of Ship Simulator 2008—v1.4.2 is the latest—you will notice that both Static and AI vessels show navigation lights at night.
Some vessels that you may see moored in harbors will not show nav lights for one of two reasons: The lights on Static and Player ships are not lit when they are not underway. Some ships in harbors are eye candy—permanent parts of the environment like buildings.
Ships will also show special masthead light configurations when towing, fishing, etc.
Some buoys are also lit.
Regards,
Marty
The posts preceding yours in that topic were about a year old. Much has changed in the simulator since then.
The best way to find out what the simulator is capable of is simply to experiment with it.
You can also construct your own missions, which can be very simple ones for the purpose of investigating some particular behavior. You can download a Mission Editor Tutorial in PDF form from here:
http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,2886.0.html (http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,2886.0.html)
Even if you don’t want to create missions, the tutorial explains many aspects of the simulator.
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How Do U make ur own lights
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It is difficult, leave it for the pros! There is really no easy way of doing it unless you have some of VSTEP's tools.
(BTW this topic is like 2 years old)
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How Do U make ur own lights
Hi Matty88 welcome to the forum
It's not a problem to make lights to ships if you know how, you can use the notepad in windows to do so.
Go here to the germane forum and you get some hint and tips and help to do so, they have a English section in the forum to. Good luck with you light building, and you can also download light to the most of the ships on this forum. Here the link http://schiffsim-welt.marcnet.eu/Forum/
So AA you don't need expensive tools from V-step only the notepad in windows to make lights to ships, and it's a loved to from v-step
TJK
It is difficult, leave it for the pros! There is really no easy way of doing it unless you have some of VSTEP's tools.
(BTW this topic is like 2 years old)
and so watt if new members don't know, were the polite AA that started so kind and are beginning to be the old nasty on, hope the kind one come here again weary soon
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TJK, if you want exact placement it would be much easier to use a VSTEP tool then guessing 500 times to get it right.. I am just saying if your not experienced editing games and such it is probably going to be too much work.
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only file you most edit are *.LGT fail in the ships folder, I started on Titanic but gave up after a wile it's to mush work thats root, but small ship are easy and simple to make, but why build they are already their in the forum. and i don't think v-step use special tools for building lights to the ship, then wee had them already.
Try you self on pilot boat and see how fun it is
TJK
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only file you most edit are *.LGT fail in the ships folder, I started on Titanic but gave up after a wile it's to mush work thats root, but small ship are easy and simple to make, but why build they are already their in the forum. and i don't think v-step use special tools for building lights to the ship, then wee had them already.
Try you self on pilot boat and see how fun it is
TJK
VSTEP has 10 in-house programs for doing things like that.
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VSTEP has 10 in-house programs for doing things like that.
It most be wonderful to be 15 year and know everything in the world :doh: :evil: and have nothing to learn, mr perfect
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Been on a P&O Cruise and once we were in international waters nobody cared anymore :p
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Now that this dinosaur has been awakened, a question about prt/strb lights..
Do ferries like the Red Eagle change the prt/strb lights when travelling in the other direction..?
I imagine so..
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Hi Saltydog,
You are correct. The Raptor class ferries like Red Eagle do have a double set of navigation lights, one for sailing in each direction. I should point out too that Bugsier 2 has a similar set up. If you look at her you can see where they are placed.
Many years ago the Isle of Man Steam Packet Company ships also used to have this set up specially for leaving Liverpool Landing Stage stern first if the tide had changed since first mooring.
Angus.
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http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,13434.0.html
Here you can see how the navigation lights are on the ships.
Tore
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Modifying the game files are illegal anyway, according to the EULA.
As Austin said in a polite way, I'd leave making the lights to those who have the tools.
VSTEP has a object editor, as seen on the SS08 CE video, which places all the lights.
Tore - I didn't think Austin's post was rude in any way. Please don't make a big deal out of nothing. ::)
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hmm think it was titanic ;)
titanic does have light go at night and look at the front it has a white red and green light and a white one on the back like all of em :D i have pics but don't know how to post em
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titanic does have light go at night and look at the front it has a white red and green light and a white one on the back like all of em :D i have pics but don't know how to post em
It's to difficult to add lights on Titanic, she are so big and so many lights points to add so now one have dun it, i try ed but gave up, all to mush work to do it, but if you are interested in ships light go here and you will find to almost all ships
the forum are in German but have a English section to
http://schiffsim-welt.marcnet.eu/Forum/
like this to, Sherpa and POR