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English forum => Small talk => Topic started by: cptnchris on August 13, 2009, 09:31:24

Title: cargo ship vanishes =-o
Post by: cptnchris on August 13, 2009, 09:31:24: LONDON - -- First the cargo ship reported it had been attacked in waters off Sweden. Then it sailed through one of the world's busiest shipping lanes. And then it disappeared.

The Arctic Sea was supposed to make port in Algeria with its cargo of timber on Aug. 4. More than a week later, there's no sign of the ship or its Russian crew.

"If this is a criminal act, it appears to be following a new business model," Marine intelligence expert Graeme Gibbon-Brooks told Sky News.

The mystery began July 24, when the 15 crew members of the Arctic Sea said they were tied up and beaten by up to 10 men who boarded the ship off the Swedish coast and that the men left in a high-speed inflatable boat. The masked men identified themselves as police officers, but Swedish police said they had not been searching ships in that area.

On July 28, the Arctic Sea made routine contact with British maritime authorities as it passed through the busy English Channel, giving its identity and destination.

Where the ship was next spotted is uncertain. Russian news reports say the last contact was July 30 when the ship was in the Bay of Biscay. But the Portuguese navy said the ship never passed through its waters.

Experts are very concerned, but also wary of attributing the disappearance to bandits.

"It's not the kind of area where pirates would find it easy to operate," an International Maritime Bureau official said.

Copyright Â© 2009, Chicago Tribune

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-tc-nw-missing-ship-0812-0813aug13,0,4528897.story
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Post by: cptnchris on August 13, 2009, 09:34:29: news video -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-ijo7J5fPQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnews%2Egoogle%2Ecom%2Fnews%2Fsearch%3Fum%3D1%26ned%3Dus%26hl%3Den%26q%3Dships&feature=player_embedded#t=19

and this news came out an hour ago bdw
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Post by: Agent|Austin on August 13, 2009, 19:10:46: I read that yesterday, interesting that it would just disappear.
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Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on August 13, 2009, 19:12:01: Yeah, I saw this on the news. Aperently someone must of switched the transponder off. Makes you wonder what happened to it, It can't of just dissapeared. And I also wondered why other ships haven't seen her...She'd surely pass traffic if she was around somewhere, wouldn't she?

Jack.
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Post by: saltydog on August 13, 2009, 19:30:12: Lots of rumours going around, like she may be carrying more than just wood..
The Russians are out in the Atlantic looking for her, even with subs..
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Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on August 13, 2009, 19:31:28: Quote from: saltydog on August 13, 2009, 19:30:12
she may be carrying more than just wood..

Makes you wonder, It's quite possible, I suppose. I guess we'll have to see what comes out of it, maybe we'll find out soon, maybe not.

Either way, I hope crew and captain are safe!
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Post by: matt5674 on August 13, 2009, 20:13:31: Quote from: saltydog on August 13, 2009, 19:30:12
Lots of rumours going around, like she may be carrying more than just wood..
The Russians are out in the Atlantic looking for her, even with subs..
Hope They find the Arctic Sea and her Crew.
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Post by: Stuart2007 on August 13, 2009, 23:02:49: OK. I understand "Attention Crew. This is your Captain speaking. As you know, we we're boarded by pirates who tied us all up and beat us. Then just left us... Anyway, we are continuing our journey and we won't bother reporting piracy to port authorities or making contact with head office... Just continue with your work."

This one has bells on it! They were hijacked, the hijackers leave... and the crew just continue on like nothing has happened...

PS Anyone want to buy some pine wood? Going cheap? 10,000 tonnes available to the right price.
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Post by: Jammy on August 14, 2009, 00:33:45: With modern technology ships going missing is incredibly rare! This really is strange, I do hope they find her soon.
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Post by: llamalord on August 14, 2009, 00:47:23: I had a Lear Jet 45 just vanish right in front of my eyes once. Perfectly clear day, on approach to KHYA, Just goes away!!! :o Man I got freaked, AND I DIDN'T HAVE MY AVIATION RADIO!!! :doh:
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Post by: firestar12 on August 14, 2009, 00:49:38: Surely there must be a reasonable explanation? Maybe it hit a cloud patch? How high was it flying?
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Post by: llamalord on August 14, 2009, 00:53:43: About 30 feet above my head! You know, so low that you can see the scratches on the landing gear!
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Post by: matt5674 on August 14, 2009, 01:27:58: A Airplane comes into a landing over you, You hear the engines right? and when it vanishes, the sound of the engines stop, is that right?
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Post by: firestar12 on August 14, 2009, 01:30:23: Quote from: matt5674 on August 14, 2009, 01:27:58
A Airplane
:lol: ;D
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Post by: Wave Music on August 14, 2009, 01:31:01: Matt, it's about the disappearance of the Titanic, not about the planes. ;)
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Post by: matt5674 on August 14, 2009, 01:38:19: Quote from: Wave Music on August 14, 2009, 01:31:01
Matt, it's about the disappearance of the Titanic, not about the planes. ;)
:-\ ???
okay, Next time, I am taking a vacation to Hawaii :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: Wave Music on August 14, 2009, 01:45:07: Quote from: matt5674 on August 14, 2009, 01:38:19
:-\ ???
okay, Next time, I am taking a vacation to Hawaii :lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously, VLCC Britannic hit the USS Olympic in a Bermuda Triangle which caused the mysterious vanishing of the m/v Titanic 2. ;)
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Post by: matt5674 on August 14, 2009, 02:06:49: If it is the OSL ship Titanic 2, I will bust a nerve
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Post by: Wave Music on August 14, 2009, 10:49:58: It is, because all ships with the name starting on Titanic has the same fate.
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Post by: llamalord on August 14, 2009, 13:35:53: Quote from: matt5674 on August 14, 2009, 01:27:58
A Airplane comes into a landing over you, You hear the engines right? and when it vanishes, the sound of the engines stop, is that right?

Yes! That is what had me think'n it waz dem Aliens!!! ;D
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Post by: Jammy on August 14, 2009, 20:02:10: The missing ship has been spotted 200 nautical miles off one of the Cape Verde islands.

I just went through the history of its path and here it is in the English channel on the 24th of July.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p201/Jammy0002/ArcticSea.png)
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Post by: llamalord on August 14, 2009, 20:06:38: That's a cool looking chart there, I've only used the pilot version of that. :thumbs:
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Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on August 14, 2009, 20:07:20: That's AIS Liverpool, isn't it?

Jack :)
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Post by: matt5674 on August 14, 2009, 20:07:40: Quote from: Wave Music on August 14, 2009, 10:49:58
It is, because all ships with the name starting on Titanic has the same fate.
T2 IS still here after major disasters. like a major hurricane, a torpedoed 62 times, and needed the biggest repairs on earth (Skutchup Earth that is).
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Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on August 14, 2009, 20:08:55: Quote from: matt5674 on August 14, 2009, 20:07:40
T2 IS still here after major disasters. like a major hurricane, a torpedoed 62 times, and needed the biggest repairs on earth (Skutchup Earth that is).

Huh? This must be a very strong ship to be able to survive that many torpedoes! ::)
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Post by: Jammy on August 14, 2009, 20:11:20: Quote from: IRI5HJ4CK on August 14, 2009, 20:07:20
That's AIS Liverpool, isn't it?

Jack :)

Yup.
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Post by: Wave Music on August 14, 2009, 20:19:00: Quote from: IRI5HJ4CK on August 14, 2009, 20:08:55
Huh? This must be a very strong ship to be able to survive that many torpedoes! ::)

Jack, in Matt's mind everything is possible! ::)
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Post by: matt5674 on August 14, 2009, 20:52:32: T2 is made with 10 layers of metal hull, making her the invincible ship :2thumbs: So Are all but Titanicana, OSL ran out of metal for the hull of Titanicana but now has that 10 layers after her reconstruction as a ferry now. but back on topic instead of talking about Titanic 2, Olympic 2 (Now no longer Olympic 2 (now is SS Olympus for Summertime Cruise Lines) Britannic 2 and Titanicana.
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Post by: Stuart2007 on August 14, 2009, 22:07:26: Quote from: Wave Music on August 14, 2009, 01:45:07
Seriously, VLCC Britannic hit the USS Olympic in a Bermuda Triangle which caused the mysterious vanishing of the m/v Titanic 2. ;)

Am I the only SANE one here? ??? :o ::)
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Post by: Stuart2007 on August 14, 2009, 22:08:25: Quote from: matt5674 on August 14, 2009, 20:52:32
T2 is made with 10 layers of metal hull, making her the invincible ship :2thumbs: So Are all but Titanicana, OSL ran out of metal for the hull of Titanicana but now has that 10 layers after her reconstruction as a ferry now. but back on topic instead of talking about Titanic 2, Olympic 2 (Now no longer Olympic 2 (now is SS Olympus for Summertime Cruise Lines) Britannic 2 and Titanicana.

??? ??? ???
Title: Re: cargo ship vanishes =-o
Post by: Wave Music on August 14, 2009, 22:11:21: Quote from: Stuart2007 on August 14, 2009, 22:07:26
Am I the only SANE one here? ??? :o ::)

Stu, just read between the lines, my friend. ;)
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Post by: Stuart2007 on August 14, 2009, 22:13:23: Quote from: Wave Music on August 14, 2009, 22:11:21
Stu, just read between the lines, my friend. ;)
Thanks WM... Good idea... Reading BETWEEN the lines is proving to be better than reading the ACTUAL lines... ;D
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Post by: The Ferry Man on August 14, 2009, 22:43:50: Quote from: Stuart2007 on August 14, 2009, 22:13:23
Thanks WM... Good idea... Reading BETWEEN the lines is proving to be better than reading the ACTUAL lines... ;D

They are going on about ships they have made, I think.

I hope the real live crew of the real boat are found safe and well...
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Post by: kerNeli on August 15, 2009, 02:14:57: I am adding some salt to this soup ;>

"Kadonneen aluksen laituripaikan tienoilta mitattiin Pietarsaaressa radioaktiivisuutta, kertoo Ã–sterbottens Tidning. Mittaukset kuitenkin lopetetttiin, koska ne todettiin tarpeettomiksi.

IL-STT"

And via GT:

""Near the ships pier in Jakobstad was measured some radioactivity, "says Ã–sterbottens Tidning. Measurements was stopped, however, because they were found useless.

IL-STT"
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Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on August 15, 2009, 08:51:49: Quote from: Stuart2007 on August 14, 2009, 22:07:26
Am I the only SANE one here? ??? :o ::)

No! :lol:

So err...Matt, have you got any plans to fit rocket boosters to your ships and send them into outer space?

Jack ;D :lol: :D
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Post by: saltydog on August 15, 2009, 10:30:52: Update:.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8202739.stm
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Post by: The Ferry Man on August 15, 2009, 10:36:49: It is very mysterious...
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Post by: Agent|Austin on August 15, 2009, 10:39:13: Why would it be so far south?
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Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on August 15, 2009, 10:39:53: Very unusual indeed...You'd think it would be passing other ships somewhere...and it's not like they can avoid eachother, or hide, is it?

Very odd...Especially with modern technology, you'd think they'd be able to do something.

Jack.
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Post by: The Ferry Man on August 15, 2009, 10:40:31: That is the mystery part, Austin...
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Post by: Agent|Austin on August 15, 2009, 10:42:45: "As from December 2004, the International Maritime Organization (IMO) requires all vessels over 299GT to carry an AIS transponder on board, which transmits their position, speed and course, among some other static information, such as vesselâ€™s name, dimensions and voyage details. "

So why would they disable the transponder?
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Post by: The Ferry Man on August 15, 2009, 10:45:07: Quote from: Agent|Austin on August 15, 2009, 10:42:45
"The system is based on AIS (Automatic Identification System). As from December 2004, the International Maritime Organization (IMO) requires all vessels over 299GT to carry an AIS transponder on board, which transmits their position, speed and course, among some other static information, such as vesselâ€™s name, dimensions and voyage details. "

So why would they disable the transponder?

The current theory is pirates...
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Post by: Agent|Austin on August 15, 2009, 10:48:46: Quote from: The Ferry Man on August 15, 2009, 10:45:07
The current theory is pirates...

Why did they never declare mayday then?
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Post by: The Ferry Man on August 15, 2009, 11:05:33: Well that is the mystery ;)

Current theory is the pirates boarded in Scandinavia, and never left...
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Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on August 15, 2009, 11:06:09: Think about it. If you were boarded by pirates by suprise, and one of them pulled a gun or something, you might not exactly rush to raise the alarm - Would you? Fearing for the Crew's safety as well?
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Post by: The Ferry Man on August 15, 2009, 11:15:53: Quote from: IRI5HJ4CK on August 15, 2009, 11:06:09
Think about it. If you were boarded by pirates by suprise, and one of them pulled a gun or something, you might not exactly rush to raise the alarm - Would you? Fearing for the Crew's safety as well?

Well the pirates were dressed up as police...
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Post by: Jammy on August 15, 2009, 22:29:50: According to Finland there's a ransom for the ship.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8203210.stm
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Post by: cptnchris on August 16, 2009, 03:53:57: good video and article jammy. after watching that, it makes you think what the heck happened ???
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Post by: Stuart2007 on August 16, 2009, 18:27:02: Quote from: The Ferry Man on August 14, 2009, 22:43:50
They are going on about ships they have made, I think.

I hope the real live crew of the real boat are found safe and well...

PERHAPS they are having a 'whale' of a time... making the world think they've been hijacked and are about to get the ransom payment AND the sympathy of the world as victims... Or knowing President (PM) Putin perhaps they will get a torpedo...

OR maybe they really are hijacked and have a cargo of uranium... :sleepy: and it is crewed by princess diana, lord lucan, elvis presley and all the other members of the modern conspiracy theories :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy:

Quote from: IRI5HJ4CK on August 15, 2009, 10:39:53
Very unusual indeed...You'd think it would be passing other ships somewhere...and it's not like they can avoid eachother, or hide, is it?Jack.

Unless it was doing something odd in the Dover Straits, no one is going to pay any attention to 'yet another freighter'.... OR POSSIBLY... It WAS operating a transponder, but of a different ship so that no one said "Weird... There's a ship there with no transponder..". So I'd say right now the Coastguard et al will be going through the AIS logs looking for any ship they can not trace... Not a quick job.
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Post by: Jammy on August 17, 2009, 17:06:08: They found her.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8205590.stm
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Post by: matt5674 on August 18, 2009, 00:03:34: Arctic Sea and her crew is safe in Russia. Wait, the small country Russia in Europe?
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Post by: Wave Music on August 18, 2009, 00:13:12: Quote from: matt5674 on August 18, 2009, 00:03:34
Arctic Sea and her crew is safe in Russia. Wait, the small country Russia in Europe?

Am I reading this? :o
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Post by: Captain Darling on August 18, 2009, 00:15:18: Quote from: Wave Music on August 18, 2009, 00:13:12
Am I reading this? :o
Haha.. Ohh dear..... ;D :doh:
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Post by: Jammy on August 18, 2009, 00:18:04: Quote
Geographically, the West of Russia is in Europe but the East is in Asia.
However, Russia is classified as a European nation because:
It was established in Europe (before it expanded into Asia)
Its culture is Eastern European
Its history is closer to Europe's than Asia's (for example, it has had more interactions with other European countries, rather than Asian countries)
Russian people are Caucasian, generally speaking, and NOT "Asiatic", in racial background.
72% of Russia's population live in the European part

Just found this on WikiAnswers, it explains a lot as I've always thought Russia to be in Asia but yet they still appear in European sporting events and even the music event Eurovision.
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Post by: firestar12 on August 18, 2009, 01:03:15: Quote from: Wave Music on August 18, 2009, 00:24:20
No, I was pointing on this:

:o
OMG.
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Post by: matt5674 on August 18, 2009, 02:11:09: to help this disccusion, this is the Russia I meant, the left one:
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Post by: dudwasup on August 18, 2009, 05:58:57: Wow this is new to me I have not heard about this at all and I'm always watching the news it must not be a big story to the us surprisingly
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Post by: Agent|Austin on August 18, 2009, 06:02:03: I saw it on the news but never had any updates on it.
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Post by: Stuart2007 on August 19, 2009, 22:59:44: Quote from: dudwasup on August 18, 2009, 05:58:57
Wow this is new to me I have not heard about this at all and I'm always watching the news it must not be a big story to the us surprisingly

I don't think anything outside of America IS a big story to Americans... Except, perhaps, X factor and its ilk... :o
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Post by: Stuart2007 on August 19, 2009, 23:05:12: Quote from: Wave Music on August 19, 2009, 23:03:33
I wish you knew whom you're teaching here. ;)

I don't...
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Post by: The Ferry Man on August 19, 2009, 23:07:39: Quote from: Wave Music on August 19, 2009, 23:03:33
I wish you knew whom you're teaching here. ;)

You WM
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Post by: Stuart2007 on August 19, 2009, 23:16:36: Quote from: The Ferry Man on August 19, 2009, 23:07:39
You WM

Since it went missing in the Dover Straits, is now a good time to suggest Dover-Calais in the same environment so that we can re-create the incident...

If it is a good time to suggest Dover-Calais in the same environment so that we can re-create the incident, please DO let me know and I'll suggest it here.
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Post by: The Ferry Man on August 19, 2009, 23:21:21: Quote from: Stuart2007 on August 19, 2009, 23:16:36
Since it went missing in the Dover Straits, is now a good time to suggest Dover-Calais in the same environment so that we can re-create the incident...

If it is a good time to suggest Dover-Calais in the same environment so that we can re-create the incident, please DO let me know and I'll suggest it here.

Well the Crew are safe, so I feel it is a good time to advocate the possibilty of a Dover-Calais Environment so we can reenact this event.

:thumbs:

Meanwhile, does anyone know what actually happened?

I mean I know people with GPS get a little lost sometimes, end up driving down railway lines but...
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Post by: Stuart2007 on August 19, 2009, 23:33:32: Quote from: The Ferry Man on August 19, 2009, 23:21:21
Well the Crew are safe, so I feel it is a good time to advocate the possibilty of a Dover-Calais Environment so we can reenact this event.

:thumbs:

Meanwhile, does anyone know what actually happened?

I mean I know people with GPS get a little lost sometimes, end up driving down railway lines but...

It would be a good training tool for Vstep- a 'what to do if your ship is hijacked in the Dover Straits'. Preferably stage it on a ferry between Dover and Calais, of course.

I hope the Arctic Sea didn't go down a railway line by mistake... I mean, I know that once we used to have boat trains in this country, but not QUITE like that... BTW on the subject of railways, there is a MSTS model of Dover Marine station, and one for Calais SNCF station; it's a real shame there isn't a ferry simulator to link those two rail simulators together....