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English forum => Ship Simulator 2008 => General discussions => Topic started by: Jammy on June 06, 2009, 17:38:50
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After knowing for a long while that SS10 is going to feature a Greenpeace ship, a whaling ship and the Antarctic environment. I've always found it a shame that it had to be Greenpeace, I'm sure a lot of ship enthusiasts here must've seen Whale Wars and seen how much more Sea Shepherd do than Greenpeace.
Now I'm not demanding for VStep to change their decision, because I am happy they have chosen to delve into a strong debate that goes on in the southern hemisphere, all I'm asking is what do the community think iwould be better in SS10. Sea Shepherd or Greenpeace?
(http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/image_full/australia/admin/image-library2/esperanza-departs-nz.jpg)
(http://www.shippingtimes.co.uk/images/Steve%20Irwin%205-12-20071.jpg)
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I prefer the greenpeace vessel, much better for the majority of the players in the ship sim fanbase.
I think VSTEP have made the right decision, though perhaps the Sea Shepherd may be added in the shipyard eventually??
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Both are magnificant ships, but as far as I understand Jammy, he wonders about the power and success of both organizations more than about the vessels. So if VSTEP has an agreement with Greenpeace, it seems to be not very likely that a second ship of that type from a "competitor" will occur. In my opinion, Greenpeace has become a well established company more than a hazardous fighting group as Sea Sheperd seems to be.
Regards
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Greenpeace, I still can see the it as an excuse though for the rammers in MP to ram and then say they were doing it for there beliefs if you see what I mean :-\ ::)
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Anyone who would ram over THAT on MP needs some serious help... ::)
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The M/V Green Peace has one thing going for it. It's colorful :doh:
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The M/V Green Peace has one thing going for it. It's colorful :doh:
And it is a magnificent icebreaker. :thumbs:
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I for one can't wait to cruise around iceburgs in Multiplayer. ;D
And definately Greenpeace.
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greenpeace for me as i've never even heard of sea shepard, i think greenpeace is more famous
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greenpeace for me as i've never even heard of sea shepard, i think greenpeace is more famous
Watch Whale Wars on Animal Planet every Friday at 9pm and you'll see who they are and what they do.
YouTube video of Sea Shepherd (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clI0kmTWKYs)
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I'd say the greenpeace vessel, since it looks much more interesting than the Sea Sheperd vessel. Also the greenpeace is a icebreaker I understand, another reason for the greenpeace vessel to be added.
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I agree with Master Captain,Greenpeace is well known I have never heard of Sea Shepherd,and Animal Planet isnt on everybodys TV channels.
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After having seen some of the Whale Wars episodes, I'd have to say Greenpeace.
The people involved with Sea Shepard surely have their hearts in the right place, that I won't deny. I commend them for standing up for what they believe in. Even though they often fool themselves, and are probably really looking for personal gratification, but I digress..
Some of their methods though, are unacceptable. No one is above the law, no matter how worthy the cause. They often act like pirates, and then when their bluf is called (like with the crewmen - that boarded a whaler - held 'hostage' on the whaler for illegally boarding it.) they suddenly act as if they are the victim.
Ramming ships, throwing flashbangs (that can blind you or injure you when going off close to your face or unprotected skin), using people's extreme dedication to recruit crewmen, that are way too inexperienced for some of their operations, for sure.. it just seems like kids out for adventure, disregarding all rules and regulations.
Greenpeace is not a stranger at being a nuisance in some of the same ways, but they seem to understand how the law works, a bit better. Easy as that.
As I said.. someone has to do something, and I admire them for being the ones... But some of the things make them just as bad as the whaler, for endangering human life on purpose.. two wrongs don't make a right.
Regards,
Fred
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I agree...well said, Fred :thumbs:
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After having seen some of the Whale Wars episodes, I'd have to say Greenpeace.
The people involved with Sea Shepard surely have their hearts in the right place, that I won't deny. I commend them for standing up for what they believe in. Even though they often fool themselves, and are probably really looking for personal gratification, but I digress..
Some of their methods though, are unacceptable. No one is above the law, no matter how worthy the cause. They often act like pirates, and then when their bluf is called (like with the crewmen - that boarded a whaler - held 'hostage' on the whaler for illegally boarding it.) they suddenly act as if they are the victim.
Ramming ships, throwing flashbangs (that can blind you or injure you when going off close to your face or unprotected skin), using people's extreme dedication to recruit crewmen, that are way too inexperienced for some of their operations, for sure.. it just seems like kids out for adventure, disregarding all rules and regulations.
Greenpeace is not a stranger at being a nuisance in some of the same ways, but they seem to understand how the law works, a bit better. Easy as that.
As I said.. someone has to do something, and I admire them for being the ones... But some of the things make them just as bad as the whaler, for endangering human life on purpose.. two wrongs don't make a right.
Regards,
Fred
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Well said Fred! I was waiting for you to say that...
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That predictable, am I? ;D
Thanks gents!
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Isn't that the role of a drummer, to be constant. ;)
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True, very true.. :thumbs:
But, without some improvisation every now and then, things get awfully boring too, of course.. ;D
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3D models and Music, now there is an improvisation.
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I like Sea sheperd better than Greenpeace but the Greenpeace looks better than sea sheperd. So I would choose Greenpeace.
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The colorful ship opposite of Sea Sheperd is named Esperanza
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The Rainbow on the side makes the esperanza look soooooo pretty :-* :doh: Sea Shepard looks bad a** :thumbs:
I dont know which one I like more though :-\
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The Rainbow on the side makes the esperanza look soooooo pretty :-* :doh: Sea Shepard looks bad a** :thumbs:
I dont know which one I like more though :-\
I would say the same :thumbs:
Esperanza looks better than a blackgray ship with yellow logo....
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we here at the forum don't like Whaling Ships. So Esperanza is bestest for us. And besides, Ship Simulator 2010 don't have whales. It was a recording from something else. If you agree, Sea Sherperd is bad for Ship Sim, say Aye. If you thimk Esperanza is bad for SS10, say Nay Esperanza. :lol:
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I absoulutly dispise both organisation and dont want to see eaither ship in SS10 but especially not Sea Sheaperds piracy is a hanging crime so why not hang Capt.Paul is his whole dang crew what they do is wrong
-Justin
(norwegian whaling decent)
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how about you look at it from another angle, the green peace vessel is something the sim needs, I'm not very keen either on any of the organizations, but I like that they add the green peace vessel, because of what boat it is, not who owns it.
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I absoulutly dispise both organisation and dont want to see eaither ship in SS10 but especially not Sea Sheaperds piracy is a hanging crime so why not hang Capt.Paul is his whole dang crew what they do is wrong
-Justin
(norwegian whaling decent)
So you agree in the slaughter of 1000 whales in a Whaling sanctuary for "research" that is just a loophole in an IWC agreement so that they can sell whale meat?
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Well Jammy your sig kinda shows your side :doh: :2thumbs:
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I absoulutly dispise both organisation and dont want to see eaither ship in SS10 but especially not Sea Sheaperds piracy is a hanging crime so why not hang Capt.Paul is his whole dang crew what they do is wrong
-Justin
(norwegian whaling decent)
Too late. Esperanza is already built in Ship Simulator 2010. So your wish for both not to be included is Denied. ( think I was brainwashed by Terry :evil:)
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While I am not saying it will be included, how do YOU know it won't be included? I'm not saying I support the idea, (I don't actually) but how do you know for SURE? Are you some sort of VSTEP specialist? Are you there in the office everyday watching them do it? Also,
So your wish for both not to be included is Denied
I did not know you are building the game... ::)
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I said that because the Esperanza is already in SS10 but I know cause I say the trailer of it and a pic of it. :doh:
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I'm saying how do you know for sure that there won't be a sea sheperd?
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It is a anti-Friendly ship. It hunts WHALES for money. Northern Star is fishing for food products so it is okay, but the Sea Sheperd is bad. plus, Ship Simulator 2010 won't have whales for the Sea Sheperd to hunt :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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what you mean Sea Shepard hunts whales? It is also a anti whaling organization, just much more violent than Green peace
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how about you look at it from another angle, the green peace vessel is something the sim needs, I'm not very keen either on any of the organizations, but I like that they add the green peace vessel, because of what boat it is, not who owns it.
your right it is the boat not the oranization that operates it I mean they are nice boats the Steve Irwin would make a helluva nice tuna boat They got that retractible hanger I bet that would make half the captains I know happy
-Justin
George's Bank Lobsterman
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So you agree in the slaughter of 1000 whales in a Whaling sanctuary for "research" that is just a loophole in an IWC agreement so that they can sell whale meat?
Im not one to pick a fight but i guess i did so ill defend my POV first im gonna guess your not a fisherman but I am and let me tell you how hard it is to make a living from the sea wheter lobstering whaling crabing longline fishing it is dangerous and the last thing these people need is a crazed lunatic attempting to ram them ask your self is a boat full of people (japanese) really worth a couple of whales ill awnser for you no its not because I know what happens out at sea and will highlight some of the risk sea sheaperd imposes prop fouler should that get in the prop and the engine dies then the weather picks up you turn broadside to the wave Capt Paul just KILLED a whole ship full of people (raming risk is obvious ive said my peice and im sure youll say yours
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Im not one to pick a fight but i guess i did so ill defend my POV first im gonna guess your not a fisherman but I am and let me tell you how hard it is to make a living from the sea wheter lobstering whaling crabing longline fishing it is dangerous and the last thing these people need is a crazed lunatic attempting to ram them ask your self is a boat full of people (japanese) really worth a couple of whales ill awnser for you no its not because I know what happens out at sea and will highlight some of the risk sea sheaperd imposes prop fouler should that get in the prop and the engine dies then the weather picks up you turn broadside to the wave Capt Paul just KILLED a whole ship full of people (raming risk is obvious ive said my peice and im sure youll say yours
Well this is kind of a coincidence, because Sea Shepherd made an article about the issues of safety a few days ago. And let me show you this bit of evidence.
Members of the Whaling Fleet that Sea Shepherd injured = 0
Members of Sea Shepherd that the Whaling Fleet injured = 5
Members of the Whaling Fleet that died whilst whaling = 3
Members of Sea Shepherd that died whilst saving the world = 0
Now tell me, which one is the more violent side?
And as for the whaling industry, it might of been good a few centuries ago, but we're in a world that whaling doesn't belong anymore. You're right when you say you can make a living out of the sea with lobsters, crabbing and long line fishing. But Whales are an endangered species, killing 1000 a year is barbaric. I admit that whaling built the markets of a lot of countries, it built the port of Hull which is very close to me to the standards it is now. But considering Japan's wonderful economy which is advanced greatly to the technological market, I don't see why they should need to whale at all, it's pathetic.
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ok my point is go after the fleets ofices not the fleet not the people just trying to make a living
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plus, Ship Simulator 2010 won't have whales for the Sea Sheperd to hunt :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You know this how?
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Back on topic: one ship looks like a vessel Darth Vader would command, and the other of course is Luke Skywalker's..
I think the Esperanza looks nicer than the Steve Irwin.. :)
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darth vader :doh: :lol: as I said before Sea Shepoard li=ooks Bad a** Esperanza looks well cute so I would rather be captain on sea shepoard in the game... I dont know I think they may proote ramming :thumbdown:
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darth vader :doh: :lol: as I said before Sea Shepoard li=ooks Bad a** Esperanza looks well cute so I would rather be captain on sea shepoard in the game... I dont know I think they may proote ramming :thumbdown:
I agree i vote sea sheppard since it looks tyte and BA :thumbs:. But the esperanza looks well kinda um..... well queer like it's a gay pride boat, no offence. :thumbdown:
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So that means gay equals bad?
That disclaimer doesn't exaclty make it any less offensive, to be really honest.
Welcome to the forums.. but please.. leave the bigotry at the doorstep. Cheers!
Regards,
Fred
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I think it best to NOT restart old wars. Link removed.
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this is bull **** terry ive seen some bad video links in the joke post and nothing happens to them god its a little harsh to bann after 1 incedent if you ban him then u better ban me for two weeks
let matt back on
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Well done saltydog glad to see someone knew the name of the sea shepherd's ship :captain: The Steve Irwin looks more fitting to a war game painted all black like that. I wonder what his family must think if they ever watched whale wars. But the greenpeace ships are more colourful and more fitting for shipsim.
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^ I agree.
I watched that show last night and they were trying to preform a prop fowl on another whaling vessel. Really for no good reasons other than their paranoia. It ended hilariously when they tried to two or three times and it didn't work and then the whaling vessel's crew pull the net out of the water... :lol:
Also, the crew is very inexperienced, they hire some of them right off of the dock and most of them have no maritime experience whatsoever. For example last night when I saw it (I was watching it to see what I could post here about it), the crew didn't listen closely to the captains order and did the wrong attack when the time came, and when the captain ordered them to come back in the RIB boat, because of a storm rising, the crew didn't listen and wanted to wave goodbye to the whaling ship as a joke, causing them to get out of visual contact with their mother ship, and they eventually lost communications. The whole organization is hard to take seriously.
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I don't really care how they do it, I'm just glad someone is doing something about whaling!
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Whats all the fuss about whales for anyway?
I went there last month and it rained all weekend. That said, there were a few spectacular mountains to look at.
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Ha ha, but i don't think we were discussing the place Whales. ;D
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I know... but it was INEVITABLE that someone would make the comment at some point, so I thought I'd beat them to it. ;D
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I saw the yushin maru 2 also in the movie ;)..don't know if it is sailable, but maybe that will be something for the people who both party's don't like ;).. and sail that as an disagree :P
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my opinion, would be that greenpeace should be is ship simulator 10 becouse i think paul watson and his crew know nothing. i think their show is cool and all but they definatly aren't professional. so my vote is greenpeace.
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i like the yushin maru :P, i think the sea shepherd ship looks cool, to bad the crew isn't professional
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Its a bit old this thread so I hope you dont mind me replying, after all I havent had my opinion in this yet!
Now, the GreenPeace ship Esperanza is truly beautiful with its coloring and works hard to protect the whales.
The Steve Irwin (Sea Shepherd) looks really tough and like it means bussiness.
For me personally, Sea Shepherd goes that one step further in stopping the whalers, maybe its just me but I love it how the Steve Irwin rams gently pushes the whaling ships out of course in order to stop them achieving their goal.
And yes I think VSTEP have chosen the right option, Esperanza. But it would be a great idea to then add Sea Shepherd to the shipyard later.
Many Kind Regards
Matthew Brown
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Because of her black paint job and symbol, the Steve Irwin does look mean..
But actually she is not very well equipped for icy waters..I saw an episode of Whale Wars last week, in which they were having a few very tense days while surrounded by ice that perhaps would not have worried Esperanza so much..
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Because of her black paint job and symbol, the Steve Irwin does look mean..
But actually she is not very well equipped for icy waters..I saw an episode of Whale Wars last week, in which they were having a few very tense days while surrounded by ice that perhaps would not have worried Esperanza so much..
But esperanza is just a big billboard, they don't do anything...
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Not this discussion again... ::)
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I'm proud that our firefighting ship is now "fighting" against the Japanese & featured in SSE. ;D
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Should be fun if she has working fire monitors :thumbs:
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I'm proud that our firefighting ship is now "fighting" against the Japanese & featured in SSE. ;D
Yes, the old fortified ex-Russian multi purpose ship sails in SSE.. ;D
(the Steve Irwin is doing the fighting) ;)
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sea shepard they dont stand back they get in the action
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Yes, the old fortified ex-Russian multi purpose ship sails in SSE.. ;D
(the Steve Irwin is doing the fighting) ;)
Here's Esperanza as Vikhr-4:
(http://korabli.qdg.ru/content/rtms/7/y089fdk1v6.jpg)
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Impressive..Looks like a tough ship.. ;)
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Here is the FPV Westra, look familiar?
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3541/3386162398_0f8c2650b2_o.jpg)
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Yes it does.. ;)
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Can we please add a 3rd option. The Shonan Maru Number 2 is the one I want to captain. Have it able to actually use the harpoon, and then you have to bring your research to the factory ship, all while being harrased by the Bob Barker. Man, I can dream!
Oviously an attempt at flaming. Please everyone, just ignore it.
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Oviously an attempt at flaming. Please everyone, just ignore it.
Actually an attempt at humor, and funny the guy who used whales to replace Wales would have a problem with something that wasn't directly associated with the discusion, but thank you for keeping my comment posted on the thread by quoting it. Sorry if I offended you.
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OKay Capterik, I misread your intent.
This has proven to be a highly contraversial subject!
Misunderstanding. Glad we've cleared it up