Ship Simulator
English forum => Small talk => Topic started by: Capt. Matt on April 04, 2009, 02:39:37
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I Have a dell precision with
250gb hard disk space
2gb ram
intel pentium 4 processor
Nvidea Quadro FX 1000 Graphics Card
I don't know why but Ship Sim is EXTREMLY SLOW on my PC is it the graphics card?
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Ship Sim is particularly demanding on a computer. Part of your problem could be your card, since it's on the low end.
What kind of frame rates are you getting? What operating system do you have? (if you have Vista, 2GB of RAM is kind of low).
Also, what's the clock speed of your processor? If you have a slow processor, it can also have an effect on how Ship Sim runs.
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The Graphics card is 128mb and I honestly dont know about the other stuff and im running XP pro how do I find out about the frame rate?
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Hi kidcptainmo.
You'll need to upload your "DXdiag" results so that I can take a look and see what's what.
Here is how to upload your DXdiag results:
Click Start button. Select "Run". Type "dxdiag" and press "Enter".
(If using Vista you may have to press the Windows Key + R to get the "Run" prompt, depending on how your system is set up)
You might be asked about WHQL drivers, click "Ok".
In the next window click the button that says "Save All Information", when the Save Dialog box appears, save the file to your desktop.
To upload the file here, select "Reply" to this message. Select "Additional Options" (underneath the text area) and choose "Browse". Browse to your desktop, click the file and click "Open". When finished post the message.
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Here Terry
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The problem would seem to be your Quadro card.
I'm not familiar with that range, but it doesn't seem to be fast enough.
Does anyone else have any experience of this card?
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My uncle is a computer person and he thinks it may just need an update but im not sure if it is just an older card.
Captn Matt
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It's not one of the supported cards for Ship Simulator and I think it just may not be good enough, but go to the Nvidia site at
http://www.nvidia.com
and see if there is an updated drver for your card. It might help (but it might not).
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I did the update doesnt seem to do anything so should i get a GeForce one what do you recomment OR do you think that it is a slow CPU or Motherbord
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Your CPU is plenty good enough. And you have 2GB of RAM, which is enough under XP.
Be careful which card you get, though. Some of them "share" the RAM, which means they steal it from your system.
The NVIDIA 8800 series seem very good, but check beforehand in case they use any of the system RAM. The letters at the end make a huge difference (8800 GT and 8800 GTX are very different cards)
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Geforce 9600 GSO I was looking to buy that is a 715mb Graphics card I believe.
How is that one?
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Nvida Quadro are made for 3D program and game making, dont think this are made for games... :D
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Thanks J3nsen!!
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Hiya kidcaptainmo, you can use Fraps (a free program) to check your framerate.. :)
http://www.fraps.com/
You open it before you play a game, then it shows you the fps (frames per second) in that game..
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downloaded it so now what?
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I'll move this across to Small Talk now. You'll get a lot more people giving you hints and tips there, I expect.
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acording to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Quadro it should be roughly equivalent to an geforce 5800 which is a little to slow for the game I guess.
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I had this same problem as well, but I purchased a new graphics card and Ship Sim 08 works great on my PC.
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Well, my expectation that moving it here would get more results was somewhat optimistic, it seems. It took over two months to get a reply.
Oh dear... :doh:
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Hey does any one Know how to get the the update for SS08? ???
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Hey does any one Know how to get the the update for SS08? ???
go here http://www.shipsim.com
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Im getting a new PC for my B day (friday) :2thumbs:
Its a HP Elite core quad processer :2thumbs: 750 hd memory :2thumbs:, 8gb memory :2thumbs:, Nvidea 9500 graphics :2thumbs:, Vista home premimum :thumbdown: :doh:
http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/p17_HP-Pavilion-Elite-m9510f-Desktop-PC_273650_1_Business_Supplies_10051_true_FEATURED:SC3:CG71:DP4119 (http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/p17_HP-Pavilion-Elite-m9510f-Desktop-PC_273650_1_Business_Supplies_10051_true_FEATURED:SC3:CG71:DP4119)
Check It out hopefully my parents will help pay cause that is all I want other that New Horizons and a saxophone case hehe.
Matt
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The problem would seem to be your Quadro card.
I'm not familiar with that range, but it doesn't seem to be fast enough.
Does anyone else have any experience of this card?
I have the same card as matt on my server pc, no probleme, run's like (http://i41.tinypic.com/nbt8qb.gif)
maybe you have to many programs that start up with windows that steel you memory
Tore
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Hmm I usually shut all programs down before running QV and SS hmmm My uncle and I tested it on his 4 PC's 3 pentium 4's like mine and one a duel core the pentium 4's all ran slow like mine and the duel core was fast
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Remember matt if you have a dual or a quad cpu say speed is 2,5GHz then you don't have speed like 5GHz or 10 GHz cpu only 2,5 GHz
that you have are 2 or 4 single CPU's in one that help its other, but Terry can explain this beater and me i think :thumbs: can explain it on Norwegian, but then you will not understend :evil:
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hehe ok I think I get what you are saying that duel and quad may have more cores but the speed will only be 2.5 but if it was a single core it could have a speed of say 5 ghz right?
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hehe ok I think I get what you are saying that duel and quad may have more cores but the speed will only be 2.5 but if it was a single core it could have a speed of say 5 ghz right?
single core will also bee 2.5 ghz , learn Norwegian then it essayer to explain :lol:
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Hehe tore I dont think I could do nearly as well in norweigan as you do in english ;)
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Just to add to what Tore is saying, although you may have two or four cores, all running at 2.5GHz (for instance), most software will only see the first core. The other cores will laze around in the sun, drinking their beer.
Even if you have software that can use multiple cores, having two cores at 2.5GHz is not the same as one running at 5. The overhead in managing to divide the work between them and then recombine their output will probably give you the equivalent of a single core running at 3.0GHz, at best.
It's a shame, but at least the manufacturers get more money from you. So that's something to be happy about. (Did I sound cynical enough there?).
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Thanks terry Umm so Id be better off with a single core or duel?
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It depends on the software that you plan to use with it.
Pound for pound /dollar for dollar, a single core, ultra-fast processor will go faster than an equivalent cost multi-core, I expect.
But with Windows 7, all that could change. Perhaps SS Extremes will make better use of multiple processors. No data on that, yet.
I suspect that whichever way you go, there will be times when you'll wish you'd gone the other way.
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Hmm which would be best for SS New Horizons since you dont know about Extremes also would you say a fast duel is best? Because It seems that SS runs best on a fast duel
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I have it running well on a fast single, and also on a fast dual. Both about 3.2GHz.
Vista seems a little better with the fast dual, but there's not a lot of difference. It could be the video drivers or something else, anyway, not the processor.
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3.2 I cant find anything online wiht a 3.2 or 3.5 or 3. anything for that matter only 2.8
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I build my own, as you might expect. 3.2 is easy that way...
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I figured what would you reccommend for like 500-600 bucks that is good?
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TGI Friday.
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TGI Friday.
But seriously, it's difficult for me to recommend anything directly.
As you're located 5 or 6 thousand miles across the pond, what you can get and what I can get are very different.
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Very true but processor wise dont we have the same stuff like Intel and AMD so can you tell me like Intel Core 2 duo 2.8 GHz or somehting?
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What I mean is that a processor on its own is irrelevant. You need to consider the entire system. You could have the fastest processor in the universe, but if the bus-side handling is slow, then you'll wait on that. Or if the video card can't show the images fast enough then it's a waste of processor. Or if the memory is slow, or....
I see systems all the time where the assembler goes all out to push how fast some aspect is, but then fails to explain that this super-fast bit will be largely wasted due to some bog-standard other bit.
But they will get more money from you, so that's useful.
For them.
It just is so difficult to look at a PC and say "This will be perfect".
For hints and tips:
If you can afford it, get an Intel. The AMD calculations of what they are equivalent seem to have become more marketing hype over recent years.
Remember that a QUAD core does not work four times faster than a single core. In some situations it may be slightly slower! In most situations it will make no difference. Only where Windows and the Application can make good use of the multiple cores will it be any faster, and even then it won't be life-changing.
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ok this helps so running vista id need like a 9500 Nvidea graphics correct? at least 4 gb of ram and a duel core , fast correct?
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I have Vista running perfectly well using an 8800 GTX (which I reckon is the king!), 4 GB RAM (being 32 bit Vista, it can only see a maximum of about 3.6GHz even if I fit more).
Processor speed is 2.8GHz (single core) on that one.
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nd the game runs fine on that?
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nd the game runs fine on that?
It sure does.
But the hardware is not the only possible bottleneck. I've spent a lot of time ensuring I have suitable drivers for the PC. Right the way from the chipset drivers and so on, up to the video drivers, etc.
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drivers are updates correct?
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No.
They are software "programs" that the PC needs so that it can drive all the devices correctly. Most people know about video drivers and so on, but underneath it all, Windows needs to drive the data bus for the hard drives and the usb port and a thousand other things.
Very few people ever install the updated drivers. They are difficult to locate and even more difficult to know which ones are required. The manufacturers don't make a lot of noise about them. Fortunately, thsi PC I am using right now uses the Nvidia Mainboard driver set and Nvidia do have some easy detection systems.
But your PC could use the Intel set or the VIA set or some other set. And then you really need to know which chipsets are on the motherboard.
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INtel Graphics accelerator 3100 for a video card Is that good it has 256mb of memoryIve never heard of an intel Graphics Card though
EDIT Hi Terry on my currrent PC can you tell me if I need anything :thumbs:
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Intel make the "on-board" graphics chipsets. They're just about good enough for office work. But they aren't supported in many games because they simply can't do what is needed. You could just about run Ship Simulator with one of the latest Intel chipsets, but some missions wouldn't work at all and may would have strange video effects ("grid" instead of the sea, missing bits & pieces) as well as a probably jerky or distorted images.
So far as I know, Intel don't make actual graphics cards. But they do make very good chipsets for the PC itself. As do Nvidia.
OK, moving to your PC:
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Your processor looks fine.
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You've "only" got 2GB of memory. :(
More memory is always a good move, up to 4GB on 32 bit Windows. (Windows won't actually see the last 0.4GB or so, but I personally feel that's acceptable so that I get the 3.6GB that it can see).
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I suspect that you could improve the gaming performance by having a different video card.
For Ship Sim 2008 and Pro, the Nvidia 8800GTX seems excellent, and the 8600 range is also excellent value for money. I can't tell the difference, other than the 8600 versions are less expensive than the 8800. But either is good.
Just check carefully to make sure that the version you get (if you do) does not "share" memory with the PC. You need to check very carefully. It isn't easy to figure it out. If you're unsure, get the seller to confirm that it doesn't. Then if it does, you can get them to fix the problem.
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As a quick and easy thing to do, you might want to consider updating the CODECs on your system. From what I can see, I think you have the Windows defaults. There are plenty that are better (and free). Take a look for "CODEC" in my posts in Technical Support and you'll find links in many of them. :thumbs:
If you do have the latest ones already, then you'll just waste a few minutes. Otherwise, you may find it makes quite a difference.
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OK So I will check that stuff out but back to the whole intel chipset thing here is the link to the PC would you be able to tell me if its good or not?
I think the ram is low for Vista 64 bit but your the expert :thumbs:
http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/p17_HP-Pavilion-a6838f-Desktop-PC_276536_1_Business_Supplies_10051_true_FEATURED:SC3:CG71 (http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/p17_HP-Pavilion-a6838f-Desktop-PC_276536_1_Business_Supplies_10051_true_FEATURED:SC3:CG71)
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Unfortunately, that link won't show me anything. I think it's because I'm outside of the USA.
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Hmm odd well ill tell you the specs then
-Processor- Intel Pentium Dual-Core Desktop Processor E2220
-Memory- (RAM) 4GB
-Type of Memory DDR2
-Memory Expandable to 8GB
-Hard Drive Size 500GB
-Hard Drive Type SATA
-Optical Drive SuperMulti DVD Burner with LightScribe Technoloy
-Operating System Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit edition
-Network Card Integrated 10/100/1000Mbps network interface
-Video Graphics Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3100
-Other ports Front panel 15-in-1 memory card reader
-TV Tuner None
-Dimensions 16.28"(L) x 6.89"(W) x 15.24"(H/D) approx.
-Warranty 1 year
-Space Saving Design No
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The video is an on-board chipset. = cheap and cheerful. It won't run Ship Simulator, nor a lot of other games.
You'd want a decent Nvidia card fitted.
Otherwise, it looks quite reasonable.
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OK the only other thing about that one is that it only has a dvd drive but that is an easy fix right ?
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OK the only other thing about that one is that it only has a dvd drive but that is an easy fix right ?
yes bay a new one and install easy thing to do
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OK I might just do that then :2thumbs: Thanks all and by the way I got New Horizons :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
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OK the only other thing about that one is that it only has a dvd drive but that is an easy fix right ?
Why is that a problem? A DVD drive also reads CDs.
Unless you need Bluray disks, what you have is fine.
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Oh really?
can it burn cd's though?
Also should I just get that and I think my dad may just buy me a card
EDIT:
THat PC is only 395 us dollars
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Yeah, that one is a lightscribe.
It also can burn the label directly onto the CD/DVD. I have some of those. They take a little while to do it and you must get Lightscribe CDs/DVDs, but they look good.
It only burns monochrome (one colour). Most Lightscribe disks are a sort of brown (ocre), so you get light brown and dark brown as the colours. But it looks OK.
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yes ive done it before looks cool but will it burn info on to a cd?
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Yes.
All DVD burners will burn CDs.
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Oh Cool then Im set imm getting that one than
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Um hey guys, i'm having the slow pc problem too, i am going to post my DX Diag here for you Terry, can you have a look and tell me whats wrong and how i can solve this problem and get SS working properly again?
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You have Vista.
What, you want more?
OK.
You have 2GB of RAM. But your video card has none of its own. It steals 358 MB from the PC, so you have less than required for Ship Simulator.
But the most important thing is that you don't have a real video card. You have a "built-in" chipset. They are always slower than cards.
And it is Intel, which means that it simply cannot perform some of the required tasks.
Sorry.....
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Oh.... :-[ When i bought it, the packaging said 3gigs of ram :-\
Ok, well i have a PC that works good with SS i just wondered if this PC could handle it aswell....
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Sorry, I also forgot to say that processor is way too slow.
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU T2370 @ 1.73GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.7GHz
And you do only have 2GB Ram:
Memory: 2038MB RAM
:'( :'( :'(
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Meh, i'll use my other PC for SS 8) ;D
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Hi,
Sorry to raise this topic but what exactely is bus speed? Does it have a grand difference on performance?
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It's the speed at which the processor and other components can pass data across the motherboard.
It has an impact on the "speed" of your PC. If you fit a faster processor, the PC should speed up.
BUT, once the processor has to wait while data goes through that bus, it limits the speed of your PC and the processor's extra capacity os wasted.
INTEL and AMD processors have an internal bus-side controller that looks after this. In the AMD devices it sits in a different location to the INTEL. In many situations, it can pump data around more quickly, which is why AMD say that their devices are equivalent to a higher-speed INTEL device.
However, this is only true for certain types of data movement.
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Thanks Terry, By any chance is your real job a computer genius :thumbs:
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Thanks Terry, By any chance is your real job a computer genius :thumbs:
Not really. Look here to see what my "job" is. Although I do have several companies.
www.iso9000.co.uk
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Cool, 1 Question though well actually 2
1. Is that you? If it is you look like a very well done by businessman :2thumbs:
2. What exactely is that?
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1. Yes
2. In summary, ISO9000 is a standard that businesses can be judged against to see how well they meet customer requirements. In a lot of the world, a business without an ISO9000 certification just won't be able to find many customers.
There are other related standards. ISO14000 is for businesses trying to demonstrate that they minimise their adverse impact on the environment. We do a lot of work in that field.
ISO27000 is for businesses that wish to demonstrate that they take care of information. (e.g. about their customers, or business sensitive information of givernment sensitive information.
OHSAS18000 is for businesses trying to demonstrate that that they have a professional approach to accident prevention.
And so on.
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I mainly understood that sure you were speaking english :lol: ;) So you own that?
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Do I own the Centre for ISO9000?
94.5% yes.
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ok thats reassuring...well sorta...looks really successful shouldnt you be driving maybe a 112foot Westport maybe :lol: rather than the fast boat you have? ;)
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shouldnt you be driving maybe a 112foot Westport maybe :lol: rather than the fast boat you have? ;)
No.
The Spambot in my life love shopping. And sparkly gold things.
And I have kids and grandkids to spoil.
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Hehe I find that grandkids usually get spoiled, from personnel experiance ;D We have gotten WAYYYYYY off topic now :doh: ugh what else is new :lol: