Ship Simulator
English forum => Small talk => Topic started by: Drakko on January 12, 2009, 23:50:12
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100 years ago titanic began to be built at harland and wolff ship yards
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That is something that today’s Norwegian owned H&W would rather that people forgot.
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I think that its birthday would be the day it was launched.
I guess this could be the anniversary of fertilization of the baby titanic. :p
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the birthday - that is on April 10 - and its nowehere near april 10, and 100 years will be aparil 10 2012
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By convention, the birth date of a ship is the day her keel is laid. For Titanic, that began on 16 December 1908.
Her hull was launched on 31 May 1911. There was no christening. On that occasion, three flags were flown atop the Arrol gantry: The Union Jack, White Star’s red pennant, and the Stars and Stripes of her owner.
Titanic’s conception took place in the summer of 1907, at Downshire House—the home of Lord and Lady Pirrie in Belgrave Square, London. It was there that Ismay and Pirrie sketched the plans to build the three Olympic class ships to compete with Cunard for the transatlantic trade.
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The 100 anniversary isn't till 2012. It's only a couple of years away.
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The 100 anniversary isn't till 2012. It's only a couple of years away.
Read the title of the topic. You are talking, instead, of celebrating the anniversary of her killing of over 1500 people.
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Read the title of the topic. You are talking, instead, of celebrating the anniversary of her killing of over 1500 people.
The anniversary date isn't till April this year, and I am very sad at that time for the people who perished.
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The anniversary date isn't till April this year, and I am very sad at that time for the people who perished.
What part of “birth†do you not understand?
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By convention, the birth date of a ship is the day her keel is laid. For Titanic, that began on 16 December 1908.
Does that part mean that Titanic was born on December 16, 1908, Marty?
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Yes, Fred, that is the customary way of dating the beginning of construction of a ship, although one doesn’t usually anthropomorphize the event. The other alternatives I mentioned—the first gleam in her father’s eye and her baptism in Belfast Lough—are less often used. The launching of her hull, of course, was only a mid-point in her building.
If one insists that her “birth†be at the end of construction, one has a problem determining exactly when that occurred. One might argue that Titanic was never satisfactorily finished.
Regards,
Marty
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Thank you, Marty.
There was so much confusion, I thought I'd ask for some confirmation. ;)
Fred
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I don’t think Titanic had a confirmation—she was a product of a predominately Protestant shipyard.
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;D
Got me there... thank sMarty... :P
Fred
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I'm born before I am done constructing. :p
I guess Titanic is just like me ;D
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I'm born before I am done constructing. :p
I guess Titanic is just like me ;D
Both a “work in progressâ€.
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Both a “work in progressâ€.
:laugh:
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Ahoi Sealordz,
my english is strange i know..
the birth of Titanic as far as I can see..the 31 May 1911....
at our Humans we count the day as we to come into the world an not the day where we conceived...
and so...i think by ships it's similar...
the 2nd April 1912 is the officialy day where the Titanic beginn her period of service
by the W-S-L...
at the day H&W delivered the Titanic at Ismay....
the dates to lay down the keel...the date as launching and the date as she sink are verying events....
i think.....the birthday of Titanic is the 31 May 1911 also this year 98
and the 15 April 1912 It's the 97 anniversary of his death....
The "Ship of Dreams".....the legend enveloped R.M.S Titanic......will go further in the reverberation of the story......on an endless trip through our hearts....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=KeUwCkH6MGw
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The entire history of Titanic in less than 12 words:
It was designed.
It was built.
It was launched.
It sank.
Shall I submit my ground-breaking historical analysis to the Encyclopedia Titanic? ;)
PS. Marty- emphasising the third flag, the stars and stripes of its owner, is something that we British are quite relaxed about. After all, it was really an American(ish) ship, and our own flag carrier tended not to ram icebergs with their ships.
(And why do I feel there is a 'Was Titanic British or American' debate coming on....) ;D
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Titanic was part Irish as well. Part British, part American part Irish.....I think that makes it Bririshcan? ??? :)
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Titanic was part Irish as well. Part British, part American part Irish.....I think that makes it Bririshcan? ??? :)
It is an interesting point. When Hoverspeed was still operating out of Dover, I once got into an arguement (yes, really ;) ) with a crew member; the Ship was registered in Italy, with a British Captain, operating between Britain and France, but owned by a British Company that was in turn owned by an offshore company. So which nation did the ship really belong to?
Titanic wasn't Irish. It was built in Northern Ireland, which isn't part of the Republic of. Anyway, does the location of construction affect the nationality of the ship? (and that is a question rather than a cue to fight ;D )
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I call April 14-15 Titanic anniversry because it is the day she sank. I heard in 2012, Titanic's fallen mast will crumble.
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I call April 14-15 Titanic anniversry because it is the day she sank. I heard in 2012, Titanic's fallen mast will crumble.
I have never heard of having an anniversary of things death, isn't it usually the birth, (birthday)?
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Anyway, does the location of construction affect the nationality of the ship? (and that is a question rather than a cue to fight ;D )
Hi Stu,
You might say, as others have, that merchant ships today have no nationality. They may be owned by a multinational corporation, flagged in a land-locked country they have never visited, and built in an Asian shipyard of a European shipbuilder.
Ownership and flagging can change many times over the life of the ship. I don’t think you can make a case for country of build, or for the flag country, to determine nationality. That leaves ownership, but often that detail is intentionally obscured.
A good discussion of the modern situation can be found in Bill Langewiesche’s book The Outlaw Sea.
Regards,
Marty
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Titanic wasn't Irish. It was built in Northern Ireland, which isn't part of the Republic of. Anyway, does the location of construction affect the nationality of the ship? (and that is a question rather than a cue to fight ;D )
FIGHT!!! ;D ;D ;D well the northern Irish were proud of the Titanic as they built it, so if you look at it like this:
Built: Northern Ireland
Company: British
Owner: American
so the question really is which is more important in showing a ships nationality, Builder, Company or Owner? I cant decide
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If by company you mean White Star Lines, that was American—owned by J.P. Morgan.
It employed an English staff to operate the ship.
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Well I always thought White Star were British because theyw ere based here, I knew they were american owned.
anyway, the important thing is Titanic was a ship. never mind what nationality she was.
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financial see...the Titanic is an american ship exactly J.P. Morgan was
the investor and proper of Titanic....
patriotism see...Titanic is an irish ship... she was born in belfast...
otherwise.....several nations working to build and design the Titanic...GB, italy, france, germany,U.S and others...
in fact...Titanic was a european/american ship like i think....
The "Ship of Dreams".....the legend enveloped R.M.S Titanic......will go further in the reverberation of the story......on an endless trip through our hearts....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=KeUwCkH6MGw
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I actually knew this date was coming and I was going to make this topic but, Alas I was beaten. ::)
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Hi Stu,
You might say, as others have, that merchant ships today have no nationality. They may be owned by a multinational corporation, flagged in a land-locked country they have never visited, and built in an Asian shipyard of a European shipbuilder.
I find the idea of land locked Countries having merchant ships flagged their quite odd, but I suppose it's not when you stop and think about it.
Since it was flagged in Britain it should have been a British Board of Trade enquiry into the sinking. From my understanding both the British and American inquiries were looking for a simple scapegoat to avoid having to admit to failings by both Governments into their safety requirements.
Was the lifeboat requirement not XXX above YYY tonnes? And no one considered Titanic size ships when legislation was drafted? OK... that's reasonable, given speed of development- but then not to notice as ships got bigger and bigger...
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Patriotism see...Titanic is an irish ship... she was born in belfast...
otherwise.....several nations working to build and design the Titanic...GB, italy, france, germany,U.S and others...
in fact...Titanic was a european/american ship like i think....
What was the involvement of Italy, France and Germany then? ???
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the watertight compartments is a invention from germany...or the swimming crane whos installed the smokestaks,machine parts etc.
the grand piano and the gym equitment coming from germany...aye and lagerbeer from munich ;)
the art objects like to install in the cabins and rooms curtains,textiles house painter and decorator and artists where from italy and france...savvy :)
The "Ship of Dreams".....the legend enveloped R.M.S Titanic......will go further in the reverberation of the story......on an endless trip through our hearts....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=KeUwCkH6MGw
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the watertight compartments is a invention from germany...or the swimming crane whos installed the smokestaks,machine parts etc.
I thought the idea of making ships watertight originated in the Orient... But I wouldn't want to start an arguement over it.
the grand piano and the gym equitment coming from germany...aye and lagerbeer from munich ;)
the art objects like to install in the cabins and rooms curtains,textiles house painter and decorator and artists where from italy and france...savvy :)
Still not convinced, but I take your point.
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You can also say that it was fierce competition on the transatlantic routes from German liners, as well as those of Cunard, that drove the failing White Star Line to invest in the Olympic class ships.
J. P. Morgan—owner of White Star—had hopes of monopolizing the Atlantic trade to the point where he could set the fares. He acquired White Star with the help of Lord Pirie—a major stockholder in WS, but was thwarted in his attempt to acquire Cunard. Cunard used the threat of his takeover to obtain heavy subsidies and technical help from the British Government.
Without Cunard, Morgan was losing money on WS. He authorized Ismay to have H&W build the largest ships they could.
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looked there... ;)
http://tictanic.de/ ...its sadly in german speak
but @ questions..i will help to translate ;)
and the titanic menu...looking here...attension the last line as it says in
"iced draught munich lagerbeer 3d. & 6d. a tankard"
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.titanicphotographs.com/Images/UploadedImages/p82a.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.titanicphotographs.com/galleryB.asp%3FGalleryID%3D4%26ID%3D249&usg=__q5nTQjgSwCMwP5x2YyWhJI3ekuY=&h=500&w=323&sz=33&hl=en&start=11&um=1&tbnid=nz8NEvaZscPUdM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=84&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtitanic%2Bmenu%2Bcard%26imgsz%3Dsmall%257Cmedium%257Clarge%257Cxlarge%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1
@stu H&W employed not only irish man...excatly..the engineers an technician came partially arround the world...
The "Ship of Dreams".....the legend enveloped R.M.S Titanic......will go further in the reverberation of the story......on an endless trip through our hearts....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=KeUwCkH6MGw