Ship Simulator
English forum => Small talk => Topic started by: RMSGreatBritain on October 18, 2008, 19:34:27
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For Over 150 years, ocean liners have been gracing the high seas. From Brittania and Great Britain, To Mauretania and Titanic, Queen Mary and Normandie, The QE2 and France, and now the RMS Queen Mary 2, Ocean liners have evolved in a spectacular way. Ofcourse I think the two greatest ocean liners are the Incredible SS Normandie and the Ultimatum of liners which is the Queen Mary 2. But I wanted to know, what do you think is the greatest ocean liner? Because that is a debate that us ship enthusiasts have always been having, so i want to know what you think.
Thanks.
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QE2!
QM2!
Both beautifal ships (sorry for my spelling!) :)
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titanic and qm2 fore me lol :)
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QE2.
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my two would be the titanic and teh s.s. united states because the ss still holds teh faster eastern trans-atlantic crossing at 43 kn
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All of the past and current liners are great. I can not chose one particularly because I respect each vessel in its own unique ways. There is no vessel that I "hate" but their are some that some people love way to much. I believe that vessels should all get respect and that no single vessel should be chosen as the best. Each vessel is unique and each vessel is good. I don't think that you could go on any ocean liner sail for 7 days and say the ship was a disappointment.
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For Classics, I like the SS Rotterdam and the HMHS Britannic (However the Britannic was never actually used as a liner).
Modern ships, i'm a fan of the RMS Queen Mary 2 and the (modernish) QE2 of Cunard.
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Titanic, but mostly all the greatest ocean liners of the world.
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I still think the 2 Queen Marys and the Normandie, the Normandie was the most beautiful ship ever.
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As far as I know, the QM2 is a cruise ship, not truly an ocean liner.
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I disagreee.
She may have been built to suit cruises, but she still in my opinion is a genuine liner. Not the fastest, but she has a thick hull and the hull is also designed to take whatever the Atlantic has in store.
I read that a mini hull was made and tested in tank with waves to scale. Even in simulated hurricane winds, no water came over the bow.
SA
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Yeah, the QM2 is a superb ocean liner that can do cruises aswell
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Yeap, agreed QM2 hull is shaped like a pure transatlantic liner.
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Modern ocean liners have every room identical.
Titanic did not have this, issue, however, as every room was done by hand in a different style than those adjacent to it with only 1 exception!
Titanic has my vote.
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Titanic has my vote.
Heh.. I kinda, sort of, somehow, for one reason or the other, surprisingly suspected she'd get your vote. ;D
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I disagreee.
She may have been built to suit cruises, but she still in my opinion is a genuine liner. Not the fastest, but she has a thick hull and the hull is also designed to take whatever the Atlantic has in store.
I read that a mini hull was made and tested in tank with waves to scale. Even in simulated hurricane winds, no water came over the bow.
SA
What? You got to be kidding...
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What? You got to be kidding...
Well some water did come on the bow, but was forced away by the breakwater thing on the bow, so no water hit the forecastle.
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Well some water did come on the bow, but was forced away by the breakwater thing on the bow, so no water hit the forecastle.
A true ocean liner would have the orange and black funnels and more than one, like the Queen Mary or the Titanic. And besides, to me the QM2 looks more like a cruise ship.
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There is a simple answer to this topic.
LA NORMANDIE!
Patrick,
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There is a simple answer to this topic.
LA NORMANDIE!
Patrick,
Oh the Normandie, pure perfection
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A true ocean liner would have the orange and black funnels and more than one, like the Queen Mary or the Titanic. And besides, to me the QM2 looks more like a cruise ship.
The Queen Mary had more of a red color to her funnels, as she was a Cunard ship.
Also, Titanic's funnels were not orange, either. They were a unigue shade of buff, known as White Star Buff, as it was unique to the funnels of the ships of White Star Line.
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The Queen Mary had more of a red color to her funnels, as she was a Cunard ship.
Also, Titanic's funnels were not orange, either. They were a unigue shade of buff, known as White Star Buff, as it was unique to the funnels of the ships of White Star Line.
Well, they look orange to me.
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Well, they look orange to me.
You shouldn't judge a color by how it LOOKS, you should judge it by what it IS.
You should know about White Star Buff if you are a Titanic expert.
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my two would be the titanic and teh s.s. united states because the ss still holds teh faster eastern trans-atlantic crossing at 43 kn
That is not correct.
There allready are ships who did it faster eastbound. the Cat link V with 41.3 knots.
And its speed was 35 knots, not 43 knots.
But she still holds the record for westbound with 34 knots.
My vote goes to Queen Elizabeth 2.
I just love that look between modern and classic.
And, it is from the same period as my favourite car, the '67 mustang ;)
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I honestly can't respect, or accept the so-called 'liners' of today (QM2, QV, the P&O ships, not to mention nearly every other cruise ship afloat nowadays). Everything now has to be BIG, and commercial (same as everything else), but there's no comparison between the liners of old, and the ones of today.
My favourite is the QE2. As Sam said above me, the mix of modern and classic lines are just gorgeous. Her funnel (although added later) is something I view in the same way as a crown. I can't put into words why she's my pick, but you can see how her designers went for function and came out with not only that, but a lot of style as well. Just as a random thing, I view Concorde in the same light as well. The late 60's produced many great things (Steely Dan is something I'd add to this list ;)), but in terms of monolithic vehicles of the era, the QE2 exemplifies it for me.
In contrast the QM2 is just a hulking-big, run-of-the-mill Carnival ship with the QE2's bow, and a really poor attempt at copying the QE2's funnel. I also wouldn't like to go to see with nearly 3000 strangers, and I'd hate my room/balcony to look like something from a cheap Spanish package holiday. I don't mean to appear holier-than-thou here, I'd just expect something better from Cunard considering how expensive their cruises are. To sum up, I feel it's a shame that with all the amazing technology we have today, it has seemingly been more of a hindrance to ship-designers, rather than a gift.
As for the old liners, they're obviously all beautiful, but they all show their age nowadays. The QE2 in my opinion is timeless (same as Concorde, same as Steely Dan, etc etc). T'is just my opinion though!
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If you like the funnel, you may appreciate this..
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/3865653.Let_QE2___s_funnel_return_to_its_home/
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Definately the QE2 (enjoy your well earned retirement)
Seafarer
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For me is the titanic , lusitania, qm2 , and oasis of the seas(who will sail, i think , in december 2009)
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My thinking is that QM2 and QE2 are THE best ocean liners there will ever be.
And Drakko, Oasis of the Sea's is a cruise ship, not an Ocean Liner ;)
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Well I'm going to pull you up right there Jonah, because I feel your definition is incorrect.
I've pulled these two quotes from Wikipedia, to use as evidence to what I believe to be correct.
Ocean Liner
An ocean liner is a ship designed to transport people from one seaport to another along regular long-distance maritime routes according to a schedule. Liners may also carry cargo, and may sometimes be used for other purposes (e.g. for pleasure cruises or as troopships).
I'd say the only ship that truly fits that description today, is the (now retired) QE2. To quote her Wikipedia page:
By the mid 1960s transatlantic travel was dominated by air travel due to its speed and low cost relative to the sea route, and expansion of air travel showed no signs of slowing down. Conversely, the Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth were becoming expensive to operate, and both internally and externally were relics of the pre-war years. However, Cunard did not want to give up the business of passenger service, and so gambled $80 million on a new ocean liner to replace the original Queens, as well as to compete with the French Line's SS France."
Now as air travel became cheaper, Cunard changed itself into a cruise company, and so refitted the QE2 to fit that task. Therefore, she was built as an Ocean Liner, and became a Cruise Ship.
Now here's the definition of a cruise ship from Wiki:
Cruise Ship
A cruise ship or cruise liner is a passenger ship used for pleasure voyages, where the voyage itself and the ship's amenities are part of the experience.
This is what the QM2 is. Although the QM2 has some features similar to the QE2 (bow, funnel, stern), she is not an Ocean Liner, and wasn't designed to be. She was built from the keel up to be the biggest, and most luxurious cruise ship at that point in time. The reason she is so big in the first place is so they (Carnival Cunard) can cram many more people into her, than they could with the QE2. Therefore, you're both wrong with your choices of favourite 'Ocean Liners'!
But that's just my opinion. QM2's Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QM2) page describes her as being an ocean liner, even Cunard (http://www.cunard.co.uk/ourships/?ship=QM2) themselves do. Without going off-topic though, could you please define to me what the difference is between an Ocean Liner, and a Cruise Ship. To me, my definition couldn't be simpler (ship built for transporting, versus a ship built for pleasure). But to some of you on these forums, it appears that an Ocean Liner is as my definition states, plus ALL new Carnival Cunard vessels.
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Wikipedia is perhaps not the most reliable soure of data. For some years it reported that I had died of alcoholic poisoning in a Tibetan Monastry in 1968.
Obviously, that's plainly ridculous, since I died from an overdose of Marmite.
I provide Technical Advice to Carnival and I asked one of my contact there (hi Ian!). He said that he basically agrees with you. An Ocean Liner is primarily designed to cross oceans as a transport method. A cruise liner takes people on floating holidays.
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Wikipedia is perhaps not the most reliable soure of data. For some years it reported that I had died of alcoholic poisoning in a Tibetan Monastry in 1968.
Obviously, that's plainly ridculous, since I died from an overdose of Marmite.
I provide Technical Advice to Carnival and I asked one of my contact there (hi Ian!). He said that he basically agrees with you. An Ocean Liner is primarily designed to cross oceans as a transport method. A cruise liner takes people on floating holidays.
I double-checked everything, I was just too lazy to point out all the sites confirming it!
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At the end of the day, who cares if the QM2 is a cruise ship or ocean liner? what matters is that it is a great ship, and can be described as one of the greatest liners in the world.
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Like all ships, it is a motorised hunk of rusting steel.
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Like all ships, it is a motorised hunk of rusting steel.
Well said, I think that just sums it up
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QM2 honestly looks vile in my opinion (but so do most things nowadays). Is that going to stop me going down to SMIT next year to bunk a ride on a tug, when it comes to Liverpool? Nope!
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Please do not insult thay beauty! >:(
[sigh]! I wish to one day master that majestic queen!
BTW; According to Cunard, she is an OCEAN LINER.
That should put an end to that argument. ;D
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Jonah, what if I was to say she's one of the ugliest ships I've ever seen? Would that encourage you to put 4 angry emoticons together?!
Also, Carnival Cunard are trying to sell a product to you. Not to go off-topic, but it's like when somebody says that cheap, economy supermarket, own-brand Tomato Sauce/Ketchup is better than Heinz/Daddies, it just isn't! Same as how Microsoft keep telling us that Windows Vista is better than Windows XP, it just isn't!
I do respect your opinion however, and I'll say that at the very least, they kept some of the beautiful lines of the QE2, but I honestly just can't compare them in the slightest. I've been on the QE2 twice (once in 1998, once last year). Not for cruising (I couldn't afford it!), once as a school trip, once just playing with my Jazz band. So without trying to sound big-headed, trust me when I say she was much better than anything owned by Carnival Cunard today.
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On the QE2 and QM2, are the rooms all hand crafted in a different style from those ajacent to them?
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Hmm..I think they are not, but they do have a positive side though, they're not rusting at the bottom of the ocean.
:P
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Hmm..I think they are not, but they do have a positive side though, they're not rusting at the bottom of the ocean.
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Agree Fred, but i will say Ocean Stare why? because i can sail it ;)
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Hmm..I think they are not, but they do have a positive side though, they're not rusting at the bottom of the ocean.
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That does make a voyage in them somewhat more appealing...
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But Fred, you ignore their hay-day! By your logic, the SS United States was never a good liner to be in!
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But Fred, you ignore their hay-day! By your logic, the SS United States was never a good liner to be in!
what do you mean it was never a good vessel to be in