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Title: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Ozy783 on August 24, 2008, 18:00:54
Vote For The Ships You Want More Of.

If you cant make up you mind, Each of you has 20 votes! Thats all of them!

P.S.
If Any Staff Or Game Makers See This Please Take All Of The Ships Into Consideration Of Making Them. :)

Happy Voting!  ;)

Regards, Ozy783
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Nathan|C on August 24, 2008, 18:06:14
I'd like to see cargo ships, like a medium size oil tanker:

(http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4134/1000183cp5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: --tractorman-- on August 24, 2008, 18:11:46
id like to see a ferry like the incat 050

(http://www.ferry-site.dk/picture/ferry/9176072a.jpg)
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Minime on August 24, 2008, 18:14:51
Id like  to see some roro ferrys that sail between islands like the one one my picture
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Straubinger82 on August 24, 2008, 18:16:37
Nice idea..

I voted for all the historic stuff.
Hope you did not ment the very old woodships.
But I would say nearly everything built after WWII has something interesting for me.
Limitations to Design and Shape were not as much as today... and so on.

At the end I would nearly buy every boat that comes up in the shipyard.. so guys.. make your money.

Greats,
Straubinger82
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Ozy783 on August 24, 2008, 18:18:52
Thanksfor jogging my memory!

I've put in War Ships Now
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Straubinger82 on August 24, 2008, 18:30:23
Oh Man!
Warships!
I really want that too, but maybe in a alonestanding game.
Cause I don´t know any semireal navalbattlesimulators.
And I know Dangerous Waters, Pacific-Storm and (rofl) Battle of Midway from proudly EA-Games^^.
Perhaps someone here gives me a hand?

Bye


Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: FOYEN on August 24, 2008, 18:41:42
I'd like to see a big floating cranes, like "Saipem 7000" or "Stanislav Yudin"
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: pauljanaway1 on August 24, 2008, 19:44:21
as have been said in many topics a ship with gun or anything like that will never be added to this game
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: llamalord on August 25, 2008, 05:29:46
I think we should have more historic ships.  Mostly steam powered from the good of days. :)
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Quaysider on August 25, 2008, 08:57:07
Some coasters, 50's and 60's Dutch or German (esp Sietas built) types, maybe even the ubiquitous Yorkshire coaster, built here in Hull in the 80's and 90's
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on August 25, 2008, 09:29:52
I want to see an old Trawler like this, as we do not have enough trawlers in the game, i recently asked a few people that were into the North Star fishing trawler and they said that the had lost interest in the trawlers because they only had one.

Anyway, here is what i'd like to see, this is a trawler in my local fishing port, Fleetwood. (She isn't used as a trawler anymore)

Please contact me if you'd like to use these images for another purpose ;)
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: agt1980 on August 25, 2008, 10:09:57
i love the northen star and see more fishing boats. but they would be alot better if we could use the nets some how. as for warships, if we want coastgaurds alot of nations like the UK use navy vessels. the river class has a gun doesnt mean it has to be used.
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: AriseAbove on August 25, 2008, 10:39:24
I would Love to see a couple of these in the game ;D Screenie taken from "Pirates of the Burning Sea"

(http://www.mvmclan.com/mvmfiles/AriseAbove/tallship.png)


On another note I would like to see a FUEL gauge somewhere and have ships with limted fuel
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Nathanael on August 25, 2008, 10:56:23
Couple more passenger ferries I think would be good. Some catamarans maybe or big but slow ones like the stena caledonia or something.

Thanks.
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: pigdog on August 25, 2008, 11:13:42
Hi all,

I would like to see more cargo ships, tankers, containerships, ferries (conventional and high speed cats) to keep SS more of a simulator as opposed to a game.

For me personnaly I don't see the attraction in the older steam ships or sailing ships, thats not to say they shouldn't be designed for SS as the people who want to use these ships could add them through the SS shipyard (or whatever it's called) it would be nice to have them as an option but I think bigger improvements need to be made in the way you interact with the ships a bigger difference in the steering and engine response times between  older ships and modern ones to keep it more realistic.

Pigdog
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Jayshum on August 25, 2008, 16:02:03
I agree with Pigdog, but add 'Tugs'.

One more tug, an ASD tug (such as a Damen ASD2810) would be amazing. Although I'd love to see a Voith Tractor, we have the Bugsier 2.

After that, I'd go with the whole Ferries/Tankers/Cargo/Container crowd. :)
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: JoMach on August 25, 2008, 17:18:42
Hola I  missed the different Inland barges, tug tankers and cargo + container barges. :(
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: marcstrat on August 25, 2008, 18:26:23
yep,i have the same idea,jomach.
This list is not complete,alot more vessels are sailing around.
Marc
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on August 27, 2008, 03:13:38
i would like to see a diffrent fishing vessel like maybe a shrimp boat or a crab boat.  Also maybe smaller passenger boats and inland cargo ships
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: llamalord on August 27, 2008, 03:27:13
I think we need more small boats too.  I don't so much think we need to drive them but use them as just AI, because in places like Phi Phi and Cornwall we can't have all of our traffic be container ships that hit gound as soon as it enters harbor. ;)
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Sam on August 27, 2008, 10:57:31
Inland ships and inland waterways!

I Really would like to see an inland enviroment with canals, locks and inland harbors.
And offcourse, a nice 110m inland ship.

Like this one:
http://www.scheepsinterieurbouw.nl/extimages/p_shalimar82_de_leeuw_.jpg

Or this one:
http://www.scheepsinterieurbouw.nl/extimages/p_parana__de_leeuw.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_d4J8JXRdaLo/SH8X-LRbr-I/AAAAAAAAK7k/3Gt7n1mZP0Y/integro321052008.jpg
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on August 27, 2008, 11:08:29
Yes, i agree Llamalord, i have mentioned that before, more "general harbour vessel's" are needed, like my dads boat:

(http://i33.tinypic.com/2gvjyhi.jpg)

(http://i35.tinypic.com/29uprgg.jpg)

(http://i37.tinypic.com/ehwwuw.jpg)

I think more vessel's like my dads Colvic Watson would be nice.

Jack :)
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: jemagnussen on August 27, 2008, 11:28:13
Hi m8's

Once again, Working Dredgers with Working Splitbarges, working in the various environments.

"MS Magnus"
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: llamalord on August 27, 2008, 12:38:13
And "Once again" there is already a dredger under development, >>HERE<<. (http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,9307.msg117216.html#new)
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: ABCRic on August 29, 2008, 10:55:02
HUGE Cruise Liners!
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: paulusfiret on August 29, 2008, 14:10:08
Dear All,
Instead of going for 'quantaty' (good sales), I would strongly suggest to look now more to 'quality', meaning:
You tow a SOS vessel with force 8 from the North Sea towards the entrance of the NRW; Than you have to switch to 'Rotterdam' scenery and you find yourself suddenly in mirror condition water, between the two piers of Hoek van Holland. So, the most important simulation part- entering the NRW in bad weather with a heavy tow- is lost. This has nothing to do with simulation, but it is than just playing a game;
1) I think the developers should do at first a seamless transition feature between the several area's. (Silent Service has this for many years).
2) Than we should have controllable towing winches. (Flight sim is doing this)
3) Current/tides feature. I know there has been ask for before, but without these features there is no need to have sofisticated tugs in the game.

Harbour tugs can also tow over the bow. (steering assistance); in SS2006 I saw this feature but now in SS2008 I can not find it? Otherwise no point to do harbour shift tows.
Of course there are request for cargo- bunker- and ballast controls effecting drafts and stability, but we could wait a little longer for that, if the above was getting implemented.

Don't get me wrong: It is a great game, but I feel we are going too much for the 'commercial'.
k/rgd PF


 
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: jemagnussen on August 30, 2008, 18:39:16
Hi llamalord,

I'm looking forward to see the Dredger in Operation doing actual Dredging in some of the environments...

"MS Magnus"
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Nathan|C on August 30, 2008, 18:40:38
Hi llamalord,

I'm looking forward to see the Dredger in Operation doing actual Dredging in some of the environments...

"MS Magnus"

They certainly need it  ::)
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Ship Sim on August 30, 2008, 18:46:43
War ships, Id love a bismark add on. ;D
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: llamalord on August 30, 2008, 21:48:48
One word:  ::)
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Ship Sim on August 31, 2008, 06:25:25
One word:  ::)
Explane more. ::) Im starting to think you are complaning about my post. >:( Listen up everyone whos going to complain. IT IS MY OPINION..... I voted warships because no one has made a decent sim for warships. Im not saying that theyer guns have to fire, I had no plans on asking them to do so. I just would like to have a good size ship that dosent go 21 knots, Most large warships had a full speed over 29 knots. Id be happy with a Dostroyer of Corvette. On the old fourm, A guy was creating the Yamato class battle ship and everyone seemed happy. ::)
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Ship Sim on August 31, 2008, 07:16:47
Llamalord, I need to know who you were talking about, Cause If it was me. I have plans to delete my account and make my next post my last. >:(
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: maritiem on August 31, 2008, 09:45:08
my favorite ships are:

Easycruise Life(medium sized cruiseship), the Queen mary 2,megayacht octopus, icebreaker kapitan khlebnikov,some other different vessels like inland cargos and somekind of a dredger.(i have seen your dredger llamalord very impresive!)and maybe another big ferrie like silja serenade for example.  :)

but i prefer more other things like way more bridge control, people moving around the decks,light on the ships and city,moving cars e.g asking for assistents,using the lifeboats would be awsome! a realistic looking bridge, and using the cranes wich is standing onboard of the ship. actually i want to have more control over my own ship. that is the most important future in the game and will the game even make more look like a real simulator.  ;D

i know it is much but these are my biggest wishes in the next shipsim.   ;)

regards maritiem   
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Nathan|C on August 31, 2008, 09:49:38
Llamalord, I need to know who you were talking about, Cause If it was me. I have plans to delete my account and make my next post my last. >:(

Yes, he was talking about you. Don't delete your account, that would be silly.

If you look here, the developer clearly explainst that there is never going to be any warships in Ship Simulator, which is what Llamalords reply was about:

http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,2341.0.html

Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on September 01, 2008, 05:47:46
Nathan what happened to your old account
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Brinch on September 01, 2008, 13:13:14
Voted -"Other"

1 - Realism. SS08 is getting better, however most ship dynamics still feel like there is to much resistance and to little inertia. Another point for realism is all cargo ships is on even keel, you will allmost never see this IRL and except for tanker and bulk cargo ships will rarely be seen loaded to the load lines.

2 - Realistic propulsion systems. Vermaas type of ships need a lowspeed reversing engine with all the limitations for this kind of propulsion, like limited amount of starting air pressure and limitations to what revs the engine can oprate at.
Ships with CPP like the supply vessel and Agile Solution need a true fixed RPM and/or combined modes
Waterjets need a makeover - the way it works now is pretty much of, major work over needed.

3 - Clutter. More stuff for towing, like Yokohama fenders, small barges, dredgers and such stuff, make the ports come alive. small piers which can be placed in the mission editor and a berthing for the double ended ferry also to be placed with the mission editor.

The next points are probably for the next version(s)

4 - Weather. Make wind influence the ships.

5 - Current. both in river and tidal scenarios. This will probably be a really tough one to implement, if done realistic.

6 - AI a more script based system for controlling the AI and some Intelligence to the AI so they will try to not run you down all the time.
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Tyla on September 01, 2008, 14:30:42
I would love to see Carpathia, or other mid-sized historic ships of such. On another not, SS Canberra would be a sight for sore eyes  :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Canberra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Canberra)
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Lt Cdr West on September 01, 2008, 14:39:34
I would LOVE to see some war ships in there. Like HMS Ark Royal or even HMS Ocean.  ;D
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Nathan|C on September 01, 2008, 14:43:24
I would LOVE to see some war ships in there. Like HMS Ark Royal or even HMS Ocean.  ;D

VSTEP have said no military ships will be included in Ship Simulator unfortunately.
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Ozy783 on September 03, 2008, 21:57:14
VSTEP have said no military ships will be included in Ship Simulator unfortunately.

That sucks....... :-[
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Captain Tony on September 04, 2008, 03:04:05
I voted for cruiseliners and historic cruiseliners, since there was no "passenger ship" category. I'd like some of the big transatlantic liners, like SS France, SS United States, Queen Elizabeth (1940) and QE2 (1969), original Queen Mary (1936), and of course QM2.

But we do also need more realism. Like winches for the landing lines. Ships and cities lighting up at night, and please, PLEASE program the AI ships to "see" and avoid or yield to player vessels.
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: llamalord on September 04, 2008, 03:08:42
If you stop right in their path they do stop but not if you try to overtake them they don't do anything which is more of what I think your looking for.
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Captain Tony on September 04, 2008, 03:16:07
If you stop right in their path they do stop but not if you try to overtake them they don't do anything which is more of what I think your looking for.

Not exactly, they were overtaking me as if I was not there. If you are moving two barges with the push boat, you won't get much speed, maybe 4 or 5 knots. The "AI" ships will attempt to overtake you and in the process they will sideswipe your vessel (or its barges) as they attempt to stay on their path. They just don't recognize that there is a player vessel in their path.
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: llamalord on September 04, 2008, 03:24:56
I thought the AI in SS06 was better than in SS08 but, Hey it's a trade off. :-\
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Thruster on September 07, 2008, 18:54:47
How about a BIG RoRo-vessel like Stena Germanica, to compete with Pride of Rotterdam (it will bring more diversion in the game ;) )
All right, it isn't just as big as the Pride of Rotterdam, but she hasn't got such a bit of a strange back and has a higher cruise speed (at least than the game version).

 (http://www.norge-net.de/Bilder/Schiffe/stena_germanica.jpg)

Besides, she is beautifully white. And, most importantly, this is a big ferry which you can easily walk on. it has a nice sundeck at the back (behind the funnel), two decks to walk on over the whole lengt of the ship on both sides plus a big deck with heliplatform between the funnel and the bridge. At the back of the ship there are 'balconies' that are connected with the main deck by stairs.

Hope I convinced you  ;)

Regards,


Thruster
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Ozy783 on December 09, 2008, 21:10:05
I downloaded this from vstep

Quote from: Vstep
It has some amazing ships! Port of Rotterdam Incident Configurator

Interactive incident configurator for the Port of Rotterdam authorities. Used in a classroom training on incident management. The instructor can configure elements such as size of the fire, wind speed and direction, day/night, fog, and environment. The view can be changed between helicopter point of view or from an incident response ship nearby. After creating the virtual incident, the instructor discusses the best course of action with the class.

Maybe there could be some of these!

Direct Download Link
http://www.vstepvideos.com/download/VSTEP_Rotterdam_harbour.exe

If you don't trust me
http://www.vstepoffice.nl/vstep2006/scenario.php

The DDL is at the bottom of the page!

Regards:
            Oli
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Chrystine on December 11, 2008, 23:17:49
 
  I voted for Yachts, Fishing Vessels and Small Fishing Boats – and ‘Other,’ as I’d as much love to have a nice Oceanographic Research Vessel – diving and surveying platform, sample(s) collection, tag & release ops., etc…
  That would be sweet!
 
  Best regards,
  Chrystine
 
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: mvsmith on December 12, 2008, 09:26:12
Hi Chrystine,
I, too, would like to see at least one oceanographic research vessel. Naturally, I’d like it to be R/V Melville because she’s the one I spent the most sea time on—next to R/V Argo, a much smaller ship. I’d even defer to our sister institution and have R/V Knorr instead.
From your post, it sounds like you have done some marine biology. I was more into rock thumping—marine geophysics.
Regards,
Marty
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Sam on December 12, 2008, 14:20:44
(it will bring more diversion in the game ;) )


Could you please explain that?

Biceaus I can't see how a big ferry can bring diversion in the game.
Maybe a small ferry or a wave piercing catamaran will bring diversion, but I don't think a big ferry will bring diversion.
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Chrystine on December 12, 2008, 14:21:31
 
  :)  ..Hi Marty,
 
  I wish I could say that I have done so myself, too, but – alas …
  It was a consuming passion and interest in my younger years, but I’ve never had opportunity to conduct any marine-bio (or other) research myself.
  It’s still an abiding fascination.
 
  It sure sounds as you’ve had some rich, exciting and (I’ve no doubts) rewarding experiences – when you know what you’re looking at, thumping rocks is fun!  ..Way to go!  :)
  
  I don’t know of any particular vessels myself, either – but am sure any of those you’ve mentioned would at minimum serve just fine – and in all probability be superb and just the sort of vessel I have in mind.
 
  I really would love to see at least one such in Ship Sim.
  That would make me happy!  :)

  Best regards, as ever –
  Chrystine
 
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: NIN on December 13, 2008, 03:16:05
a laker

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e74/cobhc34/boats/detroit%20soo%2008/dccb1d2b.jpg)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e74/cobhc34/boats/detroit%20soo%2008/3224573d.jpg)
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: RMS Gigantic on December 13, 2008, 03:22:45
Hmm.... I don't see "Ocean liners" or "Historic ocean liners" anywhere in the poll! ;D
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: RMSGreatBritain on December 13, 2008, 08:53:00
Hmm.... I don't see "Ocean liners" or "Historic ocean liners" anywhere in the poll! ;D

I thought that, so I voted for 'steam ships' assuming that means historic ocean liners.
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Ozy783 on December 16, 2008, 01:52:42
I thought that, so I voted for 'steam ships' assuming that means historic ocean liners.
#

Yeah it does.

But it also counts for these types of steam ships
(http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h93000/h93836.jpg)
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: RMS Gigantic on December 16, 2008, 01:58:37
I chose all of them except "other" ;D
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: thebigu99 on December 30, 2008, 05:06:30
I would like to see the N.S Savannah(I have created a topic in general discussions first one)Here are the pics
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Blow on December 30, 2008, 06:14:39
I'd settle for less ships and more environments. I know I can't speak for everyone but I get bored with the same environments.
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Nyrum1x3 on January 06, 2009, 13:10:14
VSTEP have said no military ships will be included in Ship Simulator unfortunately.

Maybe they changed their minds.
I saw a vid of a navy frigate for ship sim pro.

Anyway, i voted for fishing vessels, cruise liners, war ships, record breakers, yachts and tankers.
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Ncena1 on January 06, 2009, 14:42:48
We need small to medium tankers like this one here
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Sam on January 06, 2009, 19:03:53
We need small to medium tankers like this one here

Yes, I agree, I really mis that.
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Loudspeaker on January 08, 2009, 02:50:22
Some old steam freighters would be nice.

(http://saltvandiblodet.e-museum.dk/mine_billeder/epoker_dampskib.jpg)
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Loudspeaker on January 08, 2009, 03:04:06
And of course, I would like the "Elisabeth Boye" to be in the game too. I sailed with that ship for 6 months, from the Carribian to Montreal, then from Montreal to the Meditaranian ending up in the Indian Ocean. It was a lousy ship, however, and I never want to go with it again. But it was worth the trip halfway round the globe.

(http://www.boatnerd.com/news/newpictures03b/Port_2003_A-023.jpg)

And here is a shot from the aft. Behind the open door is the galley. On the midle deck, just next to the red box, there was a small table and a bench. I liked to sit there in the morning, when the weather was good, drinking a quiet cup of coffee.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3186/2590752621_64b3fd42cd.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: Blow on January 08, 2009, 14:36:00
My vote was for record breaking ships. My wish is for this LNG ship " Mozah" The largest as of now.

(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/753532_800/Ship+Photo+MOZAH.jpg)

Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: painhammer on January 18, 2009, 04:18:57
Icebreakers!

Think of the missions that could be done up with icebreaking in mind! Escorts, rescues, scientific expiditions, patrols, ect. The sonar could be used to watch out for those nasty iceburgs too, that would be neat. The locales would be good for the framerate too with no super crowded ports or shipping lanes. Not sure if Vstep could model ice and damage that would be required, but it sure would be cool.

The above missions also scream multiplayer too. Oh the possibilities...
Title: Re: What Would You Like More Of In Ship Simulator
Post by: dtrford12 on January 18, 2009, 20:43:53
I want to see more medium sized cruise ships such as the carinval Imagination or The World in Ships Sim 2008. :)



(http://752809638_b2545a5ac3_o)

(http://The_World)