Topic: SDK vessel editor? (Read 5713 times)

Mr Robville · « **on:** November 18, 2007, 16:17:55 »

i read in the FAQ that there is something like an modelling program to make models for SS, but is this in development or something? (a link to the FAQ topic: http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,1071.0.html )

Lighthouse · « **Reply #1 on:** November 25, 2007, 00:38:45 »

Hiya,

I thought I read somewhere a sort time later after this FAQ was made that the idea was not going to go a head after all. Though one thing I'd like to know is about the Subscription service that was talked about on that topic.

I quote "As an alternative to the ship SDK, to satisfy the demand of new ships, we are preparing a subscription service. Subscribers would get a new player ship every month, with a set of missions. Talented 3D ship modelers can help us to create suitable models, and even get paid by us for their effort. Our target is to start the subscription service in October. More announcements on this will follow later."

Hmm the last time I checked it's November, and yet still no subscription service and what more announcement later, how much later?? I would and by the looks of it mr robville also would like the the current stats of this.

Thank you,

Bon Voyage,

Lighthouse

mvsmith · « **Reply #2 on:** November 25, 2007, 10:42:50 »

Lighthouse,
I think VSTEP have their hands full right now with straightening out the problems with the SS06 ships add-on. Probably new ships are at the bottom of the queue.
If you follow the link in the top post and then download the PDF at the end of pjotrâ€™s post, you can get an idea of what is involved in adding ships.
If you are curious about the development environment in which the developers must work, you can download the demonstration version of Quest3D along with the manual. You can then explain to VSTEP what a trivial matter it is to make a ship or an environment.

http://www.quest3d.com/download/Quest3D_3_6_3_demo.exe (http://www.quest3d.com/download/Quest3D_3_6_3_demo.exe)

Lighthouse · « **Reply #3 on:** November 26, 2007, 03:22:59 »

Mvsmith,

I see what you mean but don't ya think one of the game developers should keep us up to date on this matter. There's been no update about it since the FAQ was posted. I just really would like to know how things are going.

BTW thanks for the link in the middle of downloading it.

Bon Voyage,

Lighthouse

Stuart2007 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 27, 2007, 01:00:03 »

Sorry, I thought it HAD been made clear that the SDK was not being released.

Stu

Lighthouse · « **Reply #5 on:** November 27, 2007, 01:19:50 »

Stu,

I thought I made it clear in my first post that I though the SDK wasn't going to be released, I'm no longer talking about that, I'm talking about the subscription service to download ships, how is this going?

Bon Voyage,

Lighthouse

Stuart2007 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 27, 2007, 01:32:23 »

Quote from: Lighthouse on November 27, 2007, 01:19:50

Stu,

I thought I made it clear in my first post that I though the SDK wasn't going to be released, I'm no longer talking about that, I'm talking about the subscription service to download ships, how is this going?

Right. Sorry.

Stu

Lighthouse · « **Reply #7 on:** November 27, 2007, 02:03:04 »

Hi Stu,

No problem. Hey anyway do you happen to now anything about subscription service? Anything??

Thanks,

Bon Voyage,

Lighthouse

Stuart2007 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 27, 2007, 10:59:48 »

There's nothing been stated. And I can honestly say I know only as much as you know.

Stu

Lighthouse · « **Reply #9 on:** November 27, 2007, 22:55:10 »

Thanks Stu,

Bon Voyage,

Lighthouse

Mr Robville · « **Reply #10 on:** December 01, 2007, 16:47:04 »

ah, that's a quite shame that there will be no SDK editor

JHB · « **Reply #11 on:** December 02, 2007, 00:35:41 »

Yes it's a big bummer for this game if that is true.
Lack of interest and a game that I probably will drop into a box of paper someday and let i dust slowly into the history...

Hard to implement a SDK editor for add-ons? That must be the "joke of the year" Come on VSTEP! Show a better side of you than the better-half!

I stick to the Virtual Sailor until the day I see a breaking news for Ship Simulator that makes me happy.

Stuart2007 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 03, 2007, 03:03:49 »

Quote from: JHB on December 02, 2007, 00:35:41

I stick to the Virtual Sailor until the day I see a breaking news for Ship Simulator that makes me happy.

Bye then

Mr Robville · « **Reply #13 on:** December 03, 2007, 14:04:18 »

it would make the game more attractive to people like me, since i am a good modeller myself (i made 3d models of: RMS Titanic, SS Carpathia & the SS Argonautica)

so it would be awsome to see my own creations in-game

Stuart2007 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 03, 2007, 14:08:24 »

Mark/Pjotr have already told you how you can get your ships into the game. I know they are working on other projects right now, but eventually you will be able to submit your ship model.

stu

Wout · « **Reply #15 on:** December 03, 2007, 16:16:37 »

Quote from: JHB on December 02, 2007, 00:35:41

Hard to implement a SDK editor for add-ons? That must be the "joke of the year"

Thanks for your well fundamented opinion. Making an SDK for a ship simulator with the ships dynamics as complicated as shipsim 2008 costs a lot, and I mean a lot of time of our programmers. VStep has decided to invest its valuable time in other projects, so we can make this game even better and an even better new game.

Shipaddict · « **Reply #16 on:** December 03, 2007, 19:16:48 »

Quote from: Wout on December 03, 2007, 16:16:37

Thanks for your well fundamented opinion. Making an SDK for a ship simulator with the ships dynamics as complicated as shipsim 2008 costs a lot, and I mean a lot of time of our programmers. VStep has decided to invest its valuable time in other projects, so we can make this game even better and an even better new game.

Fine by me

Captain Spencer · « **Reply #17 on:** December 04, 2007, 04:35:59 »

Quote from: Wout on December 03, 2007, 16:16:37

Thanks for your well fundamented opinion. Making an SDK for a ship simulator with the ships dynamics as complicated as shipsim 2008 costs a lot, and I mean a lot of time of our programmers. VStep has decided to invest its valuable time in other projects, so we can make this game even better and an even better new game.

What I don't understand is, why not have implemented a SDK into ShipSim from the start? VSTEP keep saying that it's going to be hard to code, but surely this could of been done from the beginning?? I realise that company issues get in the way of things like this but wouldn't it saved time and possibly money??

Please don't think I'm having a dig, I love the game just simply wanted to ask a question

Regards,
Adam

mvsmith · « **Reply #18 on:** December 04, 2007, 06:25:41 »

Quote from: CaptainSpencer on December 04, 2007, 04:35:59

Please don't think I'm having a dig, I love the game just simply wanted to ask a question

Regards,
Adam

In that same spirit, I believe the reason there was no SDK from the start is the same as the reason there wonâ€™t be one now. The architecture of the simulator precludes it.
Marty

JHB · « **Reply #19 on:** December 04, 2007, 07:58:46 »

Quote from: Wout on December 03, 2007, 16:16:37

Thanks for your well fundamented opinion. Making an SDK for a ship simulator with the ships dynamics as complicated as shipsim 2008 costs a lot, and I mean a lot of time of our programmers. VStep has decided to invest its valuable time in other projects, so we can make this game even better and an even better new game.

How much does it cost in US dollars?
How many developers do you need
How many hours does it takes to make it?
What sort programming code are we talking about... C++?

Or is the simple answer... "well, we are waiting for the Quest3D developers to add this into the game engine. Until then we just have to wait".

I'm not going to state anything here. I'm just asking critical questions just like anyone else. Sure it will be a long time until anyone see my ship models in this game because I personally like a SDK better than a "subscription service".

How many 3rd part add-on developers work for VSTEP at this moment? 1...2..5...10? Where are these commercial 3rd part developers?

I bet for myself that I got a huge problem with my patience. But I have a strange feeling that the SDK is just a big dream at the moment and nothing else. I'm totally aware that you cannot build a SDK over the night. But the way VSTEP have said it it sounds like it will take years.. That just explains how advanced the CGR file format is (used by Quest3D) when it's not a open file format but just a more closed file format.

You are using XML files to add the boat physics and behavior right? Such file that you can edit in NotePad?

At the last: Thanks for your well fundamented answer Wout.

Maybe a developer for VSTEP can answer my questions so I can understand better the fundamentals behind this game.

mvsmith · « **Reply #20 on:** December 04, 2007, 09:20:32 »

JHB,
Would you please tell us what the letters SDK stand for, and what you think they mean?
Marty

JHB · « **Reply #21 on:** December 04, 2007, 10:12:14 »

Quote from: mvsmith on December 04, 2007, 09:20:32

JHB,
Would you please tell us what the letters SDK stand for, and what you think they mean?
Marty

Are you running a quiz or something...?

SDK = Simulator Development Kit..

Do we have a winner?

mvsmith · « **Reply #22 on:** December 04, 2007, 13:24:11 »

Errr, wrong.
It stands for System Development Kit and misapplied to MSFS.
Can you tell us what is actually contained in the MSFS â€œSDKâ€ and exactly what you would expect in an â€œSDKâ€ from VSTEP?
Perhaps if you explained to the developers what the â€œSDKâ€ should do, what it should consist of, and how it would work, they might understand how easy it would be.
Marty

Stuart2007 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 04, 2007, 13:37:53 »

Simple to use SDK where, for example, the user clicks on a point of the hull and then types in thrust levels and the SDK works out turning rates based on mass, etc, would no doubt be very complex to produce such an SDK and and would need a powerful computer.

Maybe an SDK that allows you to put a ship in the game based on generic data for its type- for example (to us NON MARINERS) all oil tankers of a certain size would handle the same. All ferries are designed in similar ways and would handle similarly.

I must stress before the sailors all condemn me for the above, that using generic 'approximations' would only work to a limited degree, but might prove a compromise. This is my own suggestion and not Vstep policy.

Stu

[RWP]DJM · « **Reply #24 on:** December 04, 2007, 13:45:31 »

I don't mean to be the fussy one here, but SDK actually means Software Development Kit

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