Shiphandling training centre Port Revel

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[MokMok]

In France near Grenoble there is the shiphandling training centre Port Revel with 1:25 scale models of seagoing ships. Sailors can practice their shiphandling skills with real life ships in stead of simulators like ShipSim. Are there more such training bassins in Europe?

More info about Port Revel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Revel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Revel)
http://www.portrevel.com/ (http://www.portrevel.com/)
http://www.marine-marchande.net/groupe%20mar-mar/Documents/F.Massard/Port-Revel_Marine-marchande/Port-Revel_GB_1_Marine-marchande.htm (http://www.marine-marchande.net/groupe%20mar-mar/Documents/F.Massard/Port-Revel_Marine-marchande/Port-Revel_GB_1_Marine-marchande.htm)
http://www.afcan.org/dossiers_techniques/port_revel2009_gb.html (http://www.afcan.org/dossiers_techniques/port_revel2009_gb.html)

[Captain Cadet]

 
ship sim pro is simulare but on computers

[Traddles]

http://www.mannedmodels.com/history.htm

This one in UK.

[Stuart2007]

Angus,

As one of the few people here who really knows what handling a large ocean going ship is like, can these 'models' really give that much insight into ship handling?

I know in theory any object scaled up or down should handle the same, but in reality does it?

[clanky]

I have spoken to quite a few masters who have used the manned models at Warsash and they all say that they are fantastic, it is obviously not exactly the same as handling a VLCC, but the principles still apply and from an engineering point of view I would rather they get a chance to make a mistake on the manned models than on something which I have to repair afterwards!

The Royal Navy teach the principals of ship handling in small craft at Dartmouth (although looking at some of the Royal Navy's ship handling I'm not convinced they do it well)

Ship models are used in test tanks to test the power requirements of the real ships and there are some relatively simple formulas to calculate the power required to drive a ship derived from the power required to drive a model in a tank so I would imagine the reverse is true in that it would be possible to give a model the right ammount of power to make it react in a similar way to a ship of the eqivalent size.

[Stuart2007]

Clanky, I've just been on the Glenfiddich, so I'll just take your word for whatever it is you just said

BTW a quick q to save opening a new topic- are most marine diesels of the size powering car ferries and small cruisliners 2 or 4 stroke?

Happy Christmas to you out in the red sea.

[clanky]

As for the 2 / 4 stroke question up until recently I would have said exclusively 4 stroke, but we operate 3 cruise ships all of which have 2 stroke slow speed diesels and one of those was converted from a car ferry!

My current ship even has a 2 stroke slow speed generator engine which is something to behold.

My last company also built a series of ro-ro's with 2 stroke main engines, although they were deep sea ro-ro's rather than true ferries.

So I'm not sure if all my recent experience has bucked the trend or if things are changing towards 2 stroke propulsion, but in general I would still expect ferries and cruise ships to have 4 stroke main engines.

[Traddles]

Hi Stuart,
As Clanky says those scaled down vessels used at Warsash are pretty good. Probably about as realistic as one can get without trying it on the real thing. Such things were not available in my seafaring days, we had to learn by watching our betters doing things, and learning by their mistakes. I have to agree with Clanky about the RN ship handlers though. Much of my own observations of the abilities of those guys would be best described as "Could do better." I posted some time back about watching The Royal Yacht "Britannia" carving a huge chunk out of a wooden quayside in Georgetown, British Guiana ( Now Gyanana) because the Commander of the ship was too proud to take advice from a local pilot who naturally knew the Demerara river like the back of his hand. "Britannia" also took some damage once in the Mersey whilst coming alongside Princes Landing stage at the Pierhead. There was some sudden activity with dark blue paint immediately after she was moored. If they can do that to our Queens own ship, what does one say.
BTW, all the best to you and yours for the New Year.

Angus.