Topic: Greenpeace/SS discussion (Read 22571 times)

McGherkin · « **Reply #75 on:** June 21, 2010, 09:26:43 »

Good Boy

MVEsperanza · « **Reply #76 on:** June 21, 2010, 09:28:11 »

Woof!

Lol, Well its 1:30 Am and i have to be up at 7:00 tomorrow So

McGherkin · « **Reply #77 on:** June 21, 2010, 09:29:13 »

Nice, 9:30AM here

MVEsperanza · « **Reply #78 on:** June 21, 2010, 09:30:13 »

Quote from: McGherkin on June 21, 2010, 09:29:13

Nice, 9:30AM here

I give the Watch to You, Now dont Sink Me Ship

McGherkin · « **Reply #79 on:** June 21, 2010, 09:30:59 »

Very good, Go fetch me a cup of tea.

MVEsperanza · « **Reply #80 on:** June 21, 2010, 09:31:25 »

Quote from: McGherkin on June 21, 2010, 09:30:59

Very good, Go fetch me a cup of tea.

Already Sleeping

marcstrat · « **Reply #81 on:** June 21, 2010, 10:11:23 »

Well, bluefin tuna is close to get of this world.
The whole system of fishing should be changed,because it takes every fish and the chains destroy the seabottom.
In the early years fishing was an art,captains and crew needed to like we would say"read the water".Today fishfinders leave no escape for fish,it can been seen on the monitor of that device,whats there and howmuch.
I've been on the northsea with fishingvessel years ago(when i was younger)
i've seen how many very young fish died,because they were on in the bottom of the net.Fish with a lenght of 2 a 3 inches(10 cm).The nets were autorized gear with the right (maze)holes.
During the fishing,that smal fish did not passed the holes,and was pressed against the net,i dont have to tell you how it looks like.
Many different things should be changed in the fishingindustry,but no one has the balls to do it.They will change,when the last fish has been caught in the net.Than the fishing industry will die to,and they will blame others for it.
I think we point the nozes in the same direction,on this matter.
Marc

marcstrat · « **Reply #82 on:** June 21, 2010, 10:23:53 »

BTW,here are pics of the vessel i was on,years ago.

Matthew Brown · « **Reply #83 on:** June 21, 2010, 11:07:09 »

I will always say, it's good that Greenpeace ships are going to be in Ship Simulator but what happens to the people that prefer Sea Shepherd? They're stuck sailing a Greenpeace ship

Good on Greenpeace for what they do, well I mean in my opinion they could do more but I suppose as a protest organization that's about all they will do.
And Sea Shepherd is an intervention, law-enforcement organization.

I will enjoy sailing the Esperanza of course.

But what I do not agree on is that Greenpeace will not work with Sea Shepherd and therefore have signed a contract to keep their ships out of the game, that really upsets me.

But hopefully Greenpeace can finally realise their goal is the same as Sea Shepherd Conservation Society.

Fair enough that both Greenpeace and SSCS ships are registered in the Netherlands, which is where Ship Simulator comes from. And everyone knows that the Primeminister of the Netherlands really detests Whaling.
So therefore he should decide if Sea Shepherd are allowed in the game and Greenpeace shouldn't decide.

So what I'm saying is that of course, let both GP & SSCS be in the game I'm not saying I just want my favourite.

So hopefully we will see the introduction of the Steve Irwin

If you would really like to do something? Then you can contact:
The Dutch Primeminister: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/contact/contactformulier (https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/contact/contactformulier)
Greenpeace: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/about/worldwide/ (http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/about/worldwide/)
Sea Shepherd: http://www.seashepherd.org/contact/general-public.html (http://www.seashepherd.org/contact/general-public.html)

And at the moment I'm really not sure whether to buy the donation edition or not, I obviously want to help an organization that saves the environment, but on the other hand if Greenpeace refuse to work with Sea Shepherd then they need to work that out and until they do then I'm sorry but I won't be donating.
I would rather donate to SSCS on their website and buy the regular edition. And also if the Steve Irwin is to be in the shipyard then it would be great if 50% goes to SSCS like the Elbe!

Sorry about being so long

Kind Regards

Matthew

Sjoerd92 · « **Reply #84 on:** June 21, 2010, 17:50:44 »

Quote from: Matthew Brown on June 21, 2010, 11:07:09

And also if the Steve Irwin is to be in the shipyard then it would be great if 50% goes to SSCS like the Elbe!

That wil be a great idea. If you dont want sea shepherd. Just dont buy the ship.
if you want sea shepherd you can buy it in the shipyard.
But then the Bob barker has to be in it too.

If vstep wil do such a thing. They have to get blue prints from both the vessels. Isnt that going to be a problem?

Matthew Brown · « **Reply #85 on:** June 21, 2010, 18:45:09 »

Quote from: Sjoerd92 on June 21, 2010, 17:50:44

If vstep wil do such a thing. They have to get blue prints from both the vessels. Isnt that going to be a problem?

They can get them the same way they did with Greenpeace

I mean, who wouldn't want the Steve Irwin in the game?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_c6Cmen9cvSQ/S7XfGXUI4BI/AAAAAAAAApM/FiaVVvJ7Q5w/s1600/ship_final_clean_sm.jpg

Shipaddict · « **Reply #86 on:** June 21, 2010, 18:53:46 »

Quote from: Matthew Brown on June 21, 2010, 18:45:09

I mean, who wouldn't want the Steve Irwin in the game?

Me.

IRI5HJ4CK · « **Reply #87 on:** June 21, 2010, 18:56:10 »

Quote from: Shipaddict on June 21, 2010, 18:53:46

Me.

Me too...

Nathan|C · « **Reply #88 on:** June 21, 2010, 18:56:51 »

Me three..

Capt. Matt · « **Reply #89 on:** June 21, 2010, 18:59:12 »

Me four

Matthew Brown · « **Reply #90 on:** June 21, 2010, 19:01:23 »

That's a good yes isn't it?

IRI5HJ4CK · « **Reply #91 on:** June 21, 2010, 19:02:26 »

No...

Just because the Steve Irwin is owned by an organisation which prides itself on ramming ships to save whales, doesn't mean it's any more interesting than the other ships out there...Just because you want to see it in the game doesn't mean everyone else does...

Matthew Brown · « **Reply #92 on:** June 21, 2010, 19:08:26 »

And Greenpeace, just because the Esperanza is owned by an organization which prides itself on taking photos to save whales, doesn't mean it's any more interesting than the Steve Irwin.
So they're both equal. lol :p

And just because people want the Esperanza, doesn't mean everyone else does...

IRI5HJ4CK · « **Reply #93 on:** June 21, 2010, 19:11:25 »

No...you're not getting my point. V-STEP obviously decided to include Esperenza for a reason...I think she is enough. If you started adding more ships and organisations, it'll get out of hand. Where do you draw the line with something like this? is my question...

And that's true - not everyone may want the Esperenza. But not everyone wants to see the Steve Irwin either...this isn't a game revolving around Whale Wars...it's a Simulation - and that IS the point of this game...

Matthew Brown · « **Reply #94 on:** June 21, 2010, 19:17:46 »

All I'm saying is that if it is a simulation game, people would like to try their hand at two organizations it would be quite fun.

I never said it has to revolve around Whale Wars, it could be the same mission as the Esperanzas.

Matthew Brown · « **Reply #95 on:** June 21, 2010, 19:21:02 »

Quote from: Sjoerd92 on June 21, 2010, 17:50:44

That wil be a great idea. If you dont want sea shepherd. Just dont buy the ship.
if you want sea shepherd you can buy it in the shipyard.
But then the Bob barker has to be in it too.

If vstep wil do such a thing. They have to get blue prints from both the vessels. Isnt that going to be a problem?

^^ That's all I'm asking, full stop.

If people like the Steve Irwin, good they can buy her while helping out the SSCS.
If not, no problem don't buy her!

Greenpeace need to be a bit more tolerant thats all

IRI5HJ4CK · « **Reply #96 on:** June 21, 2010, 19:27:09 »

Quote from: Matthew Brown on June 21, 2010, 19:17:46

All I'm saying is that if it is a simulation game, people would like to try their hand at two organizations it would be quite fun.

I never said it has to revolve around Whale Wars, it could be the same mission as the Esperanzas.

A simulation game doesn't revolve around organisations either..

Ship Simulator revolves around ship handling...Organisations like Greenpeace are just things to base stories on...Ie missions.

Sure it's 'cool' to have these organisations, but at the end of the day, you have to think about what other people want too...it's quite clear that a lot of people aren't overly interested in the Steve Irwin. I can understand your interest, and wanting to have her in the game...but there are many other ships out there which could be nice editions to the game....and we haven't got them. That's just the way it is.

Everything here seems to revolve around the fact that because one organisation is in the game, there needs to be another, and another, and another...there are people here who still want to be in a simulation...that includes myself.

Jack.

Mad_Fred · « **Reply #97 on:** June 21, 2010, 19:34:06 »

Quote from: Matthew Brown on June 21, 2010, 19:21:02

Greenpeace need to be a bit more tolerant thats all

Maybe Sea Shepard need to operate a little bit more inside of the law, so as not to be in a position of 'two wrongs do not make a right', all the time.

Maybe it's too controversial to put them in, because of how they operate. Too many real sailors already are disgusted by their 'seamanship' as it is, and the way 'captain' paul puts newbies in mortal danger without no appearant regard for their safety, not to mention the negative feelings their ramming envokes with true seamen, who are after all the bulk of the Ship Sim community.

Sea Shepard themselves are the main reason there are no Sea Shepard vessels appearing in SSE, really.

You only need one organisation to play these type of missions, just like you don't need two pilot boats to do that job, or two rescue boats, or two huge container vessels, two VLCC's, etc. And Vstep has gone with the more widespread accepted one. As logic would dictate too.

You really think GP and SS are going to solve their differences for the benefit of a computer game so you fanboys can ram whalers with black pirate ships?

Nah, don't think it will happen.

Fred

Matthew Brown · « **Reply #98 on:** June 21, 2010, 19:54:01 »

Lol,

Nicely put Fred.

Although people seem to confuse things a little. Sea Shepherd don't intentionally go " Ohhh!!! A whaling ship lets go full speed and ram it!!!" It's just unfortunate that it's always the same...
-Steve Irwin draws up alongside the Shonan Maru
-Steve Irwin makes VHF announcement "You are here in these waters illegally"
-Shonan Maru doesn't listen
-Steve irwin throws smelly butter to well, make the boat stink and taint the whale meat and deck.
-Shonan Maru gets annoyed and does a crazy manouever. And blames Sea Shepherd.
-Shonan Maru reports man injured
-Steve Irwin says they never hit anybody and offers help with their doctor.
-Shonan Maru then says nothing.

Where as Greenpeace are thought of as more peaceful as they...
-Send out zodiacs with protesting signs
-Stand back from the action and take photos.

But if the whalers already know that whaling is bad they're not suddenly going to stop because of the signs being shown by greenpeace. And I could do the same, and blame Greenpeace for ramming the whalers like that incident before, the Artic Sunrise went to close and the Shonan Maru got annoyed hence resulting in what i prefer to call " a collision" not a ramming! The only ramming done is by the whalers.

I recall that the storage/petrol ship "Oriental Bluebird" fled from the Antartic after a collision with Sea Shepherd, sometimes actions speak louder than words and that was a true case. It has never come back.

I stand by my point: Steve Irwin as a shipyard vessel, to not Ram

but intervene and then accidently get caught up by the Shonan Marus CRAAAZY captain!

Regards

Matthew

P.S. This is a collision: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNCTNuX6aSg
This is being rammed:
SSCS view: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbuq0YEIPNU
(Caution strong language)
Whaler View: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua5RHIOam

Mad_Fred · « **Reply #99 on:** June 21, 2010, 20:01:20 »

Sorry mate, but you need to get your facts from more places than just the one, biassed side.

Cause it's simply not true. Sorry. $:-\$

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Nathan|C