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saltydog

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2008, 21:25:36 »

If you like the funnel, you may appreciate this..

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/3865653.Let_QE2___s_funnel_return_to_its_home/
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Willbrad

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2008, 15:39:28 »

Definately the QE2 (enjoy your well earned retirement)

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Drakko

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2008, 00:04:49 »

For me is the titanic , lusitania, qm2 , and oasis of the seas(who will sail, i think , in december  2009)
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Kapn Jonah

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2008, 00:47:13 »

My thinking is that QM2 and QE2 are THE best ocean liners there will ever be.

And Drakko, Oasis of the Sea's is a cruise ship, not an Ocean Liner  ;)
« Last Edit: December 08, 2008, 00:49:18 by Kapn Jonah »
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Jayshum

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2008, 23:19:33 »

Well I'm going to pull you up right there Jonah, because I feel your definition is incorrect.
I've pulled these two quotes from Wikipedia, to use as evidence to what I believe to be correct.

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An ocean liner is a ship designed to transport people from one seaport to another along regular long-distance maritime routes according to a schedule. Liners may also carry cargo, and may sometimes be used for other purposes (e.g. for pleasure cruises or as troopships).

I'd say the only ship that truly fits that description today, is the (now retired) QE2. To quote her Wikipedia page:
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By the mid 1960s transatlantic travel was dominated by air travel due to its speed and low cost relative to the sea route, and expansion of air travel showed no signs of slowing down. Conversely, the Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth were becoming expensive to operate, and both internally and externally were relics of the pre-war years. However, Cunard did not want to give up the business of passenger service, and so gambled $80 million on a new ocean liner to replace the original Queens, as well as to compete with the French Line's SS France."

Now as air travel became cheaper, Cunard changed itself into a cruise company, and so refitted the QE2 to fit that task. Therefore, she was built as an Ocean Liner, and became a Cruise Ship. 

Now here's the definition of a cruise ship from Wiki:
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A cruise ship or cruise liner is a passenger ship used for pleasure voyages, where the voyage itself and the ship's amenities are part of the experience.

This is what the QM2 is. Although the QM2 has some features similar to the QE2 (bow, funnel, stern), she is not an Ocean Liner, and wasn't designed to be. She was built from the keel up to be the biggest, and most luxurious cruise ship at that point in time. The reason she is so big in the first place is so they (Carnival Cunard) can cram many more people into her, than they could with the QE2. Therefore, you're both wrong with your choices of favourite 'Ocean Liners'!

But that's just my opinion. QM2's Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QM2) page describes her as being an ocean liner, even Cunard (http://www.cunard.co.uk/ourships/?ship=QM2) themselves do. Without going off-topic though, could you please define to me what the difference is between an Ocean Liner, and a Cruise Ship. To me, my definition couldn't be simpler (ship built for transporting, versus a ship built for pleasure). But to some of you on these forums, it appears that an Ocean Liner is as my definition states, plus ALL new Carnival Cunard vessels.
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TerryRussell

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2008, 00:10:18 »

Wikipedia is perhaps not the most reliable soure of data. For some years it reported that I had died of alcoholic poisoning in a Tibetan Monastry in 1968.

Obviously, that's plainly ridculous, since I died from an overdose of Marmite.


I provide Technical Advice to Carnival and I asked one of my contact there (hi Ian!). He said that he basically agrees with you. An Ocean Liner is primarily designed to cross oceans as a transport method. A cruise liner takes people on floating holidays.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2008, 00:13:28 by TerryRussell »
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Jayshum

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2008, 07:43:58 »

Wikipedia is perhaps not the most reliable soure of data. For some years it reported that I had died of alcoholic poisoning in a Tibetan Monastry in 1968.

Obviously, that's plainly ridculous, since I died from an overdose of Marmite.


I provide Technical Advice to Carnival and I asked one of my contact there (hi Ian!). He said that he basically agrees with you. An Ocean Liner is primarily designed to cross oceans as a transport method. A cruise liner takes people on floating holidays.


I double-checked everything, I was just too lazy to point out all the sites confirming it!
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RMSGreatBritain

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2008, 17:08:51 »

At the end of the day, who cares if the QM2 is a cruise ship or ocean liner? what matters is that it is a great ship, and can be described as one of the greatest liners in the world.
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TerryRussell

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2008, 18:49:29 »

Like all ships, it is a motorised hunk of rusting steel.
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RMSGreatBritain

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2008, 20:13:26 »

Like all ships, it is a motorised hunk of rusting steel.

Well said, I think that just sums it up
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Jayshum

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2008, 01:42:02 »

QM2 honestly looks vile in my opinion (but so do most things nowadays). Is that going to stop me going down to SMIT next year to bunk a ride on a tug, when it comes to Liverpool? Nope!
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Kapn Jonah

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2008, 02:00:00 »

Please do not insult thay beauty! >:(

[sigh]! I wish to one day master that majestic queen!

BTW; According to Cunard, she is an OCEAN LINER.

That should put an end to that argument. ;D
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Jayshum

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2008, 04:56:52 »

Jonah, what if I was to say she's one of the ugliest ships I've ever seen? Would that encourage you to put 4 angry emoticons together?!

Also, Carnival Cunard are trying to sell a product to you. Not to go off-topic, but it's like when somebody says that cheap, economy supermarket, own-brand Tomato Sauce/Ketchup is better than Heinz/Daddies, it just isn't! Same as how Microsoft keep telling us that Windows Vista is better than Windows XP, it just isn't!

I do respect your opinion however, and I'll say that at the very least, they kept some of the beautiful lines of the QE2, but I honestly just can't compare them in the slightest. I've been on the QE2 twice (once in 1998, once last year). Not for cruising (I couldn't afford it!), once as a school trip, once just playing with my Jazz band. So without trying to sound big-headed, trust me when I say she was much better than anything owned by Carnival Cunard today.
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RMS Gigantic

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2008, 05:03:06 »

On the  QE2 and QM2, are the rooms all hand crafted in a different style from those ajacent to them?
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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2008, 08:05:51 »

Hmm..I think they are not, but they do have a positive side though, they're not rusting at the bottom of the ocean.

 :P
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Capt.Bluebeard

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2008, 11:48:48 »

Hmm..I think they are not, but they do have a positive side though, they're not rusting at the bottom of the ocean.

 :P
Agree Fred, but i will say Ocean Stare why? because i can sail it  ;)
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TerryRussell

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2008, 21:47:33 »

Hmm..I think they are not, but they do have a positive side though, they're not rusting at the bottom of the ocean.

 :P

That does make a voyage in them somewhat more appealing...
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RMS Gigantic

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2008, 22:52:24 »

But Fred, you ignore their hay-day! By your logic, the SS United States was never a good liner to be in!
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bbydino05

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Re: What is the greatest ocean liner?
« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2008, 02:39:50 »

But Fred, you ignore their hay-day! By your logic, the SS United States was never a good liner to be in!
what do you mean it was never a good vessel to be in
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