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[CarlisleII]

I saw a video on a website where a person was driving the red jet 4 with the incedent resonse vessel controls the the lower left hand corner of the screen. How exactly can you change that? I would like to know because I would like to learn how to opperate the red eagle, but the controls are so difficult to understand.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

[mvsmith]

Carlisle,
Here is a post on how to drive Red Eagle from the stern controls, which I wrote for jeffmorris.
http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,2439.msg25640.html#msg25640 (http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,2439.msg25640.html#msg25640)
The mission editor tutorial has brief directions for operating Red Eagle from the external view.
There is also a topic on the Voith-Schneider Propeller in Small Talk.
Hope this helps,
Marty

[Sam]

I think that he means something else.

To view those controls: press C

[mvsmith]

Perhaps I misunderstood, Sam, but I thought he asked two questions:
How to change the controls for Red Jet to those for the Incident Response Vessel. I don’t think one can, because the Red Jet has two independently-azimuthing jets,
He also expressed interest in controlling Red Eagle, which has VSPs (also independently-azimuthing).
It was the latter for which I offered suggestions.
Regards,
Marty

[Bottman]

Hi CarlisleII,

I did it my way: both engine revolutions controlled by the num pad; port side (RED JET4) or front engine (RED EAGLE) direction by means of neighbour key: (German keyboard) with A for turning left and S for turning right and Y for amidship of the port side/front unit --- J-K-M same for starboard/aft unit. Except im walkthrough mode that works pretty good and much better than by mouse. Oh, and it is even useful for the OCEAN STAR...

You have to change those settings with the menu in game.

Cheers

[saltydog]

That's a good tip Bottman. I've recently taken an interest in trying to steer the Red Eagle, it's quite tricky but I'll get the hang of it..
Also thanks for mv smith's excellent topic on the Voith-Schneider propellor, which made me understand how it works

[Sam]

I have made a small guide for the Red Eagle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6E6zhExBBU

[mvsmith]

I should point out that there is no “throttle” wheel. The VSP turns at constant speed. One wheel controls the amount of thrust, the other controls the direction of thrust.

[CarlisleII]

Thank you everyone for all of the information. I will be trying the controls tonight.

[Stuart2007]

I should point out that there is no “throttle” wheel. The VSP turns at constant speed. One wheel controls the amount of thrust, the other controls the direction of thrust.

Isn't that a bit of a waste of power- if you're only moving slowly yet the egg whisks still turn at maximum revolutions? Weird things.

Stu

[mvsmith]

Stu,
When the VSP is set for low thrust, the blades are at a low angle of attack and take little power.
Marty

[Sam]

I should point out that there is no “throttle” wheel. The VSP turns at constant speed. One wheel controls the amount of thrust, the other controls the direction of thrust.

I know how a VSP works, you shouldn't tell me that.

But in the game, the VSP controls are more like Schottels.
In The game, the throttle wheel really controls the RPM of your engines.
See it yourself.

I really think the controls should be modified as in the real ship.

[LucAtC]

Hello,
The needle indicates the amount of pitch, and not any rpm setting?
I also think the change of the sound of the engine is not any acceleration, but a deeper sound coming from the increase in power? How can that be checked?
Regards,
Luc

[mvsmith]

You are right, Luc.
As pointed out months ago, the RPM indication on the HUD is actually an indication of % thrust, 500 RPM = 100% thrust. This subject has been beaten to death, yet it keeps coming up like the myths about Titanic’s wheel and helm orders.
Marty

[mvsmith]

If anyone is interested in actually knowing about the Voith-Schneider Propeller, Voith’s web site is a good place to start:
www.voithturbo.com/vt_en_pua_marine_vspropeller.htm (http://www.voithturbo.com/vt_en_pua_marine_vspropeller.htm)

You can download an animation that helps to explain why the thrust is varied without changing the propeller speed. The design of the blade profile and the kinematics for a particular model assumes a rather narrow range of blade velocities.
The VSP stops being effective at reduced speed for about the same reason that airplanes fall out of the sky if you try to fly then too slow.

Further information on the Voith-Schneider Propeller can be found in that topic in Small Talk.

Marty