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Title: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on July 14, 2008, 07:44:59
Hi everyone,

i don't know if you have come accross this, but in multiplayer, sometimes random boats appear out of nowhere and follow you, litrally.

(I think i could have been the first person to ever encounter a "Ghost Ship", read below.)

My first sighting of a "Ghost Ship" (thats what i call them) was in Padstow, about a week after buying New Horizons, then about 3 weeks later, i was in Marseille with the Bugsier and a huge Ocean Star came out of nowhere and crushed me ::) and i sank :-[

But, since the new patch, it seems that the amount of "Ghost Ship" sightings have gone sky high! and that 3 or 4 "Ghost Ships" can be seen at one time! i was wondering if anybody here has this problem and if they know what it is caused by and if it will be resolved in the future of SS08.

Jack.
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: DerBandit on July 14, 2008, 12:45:24
Isn't VSTEP a dutch company? And isn't the flying dutchman THE Ghost Ship par excellence? :D
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: pauljanaway1 on July 14, 2008, 13:00:46
i have seem many gost ships on mp normaly on player mp servers
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: NathanC on July 14, 2008, 15:12:46
I've seen LOTS.

once, 2 of them came charging towards Phi Phi beach and rammed over the pier into some other clones (at 20kn)

See pic.
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: JoMach on July 14, 2008, 15:49:04
Isn't VSTEP a dutch company? And isn't the flying dutchman THE Ghost Ship par excellence? :D
Yep and I living in his birthplace ;D haha
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on July 14, 2008, 16:58:07
Isn't VSTEP a dutch company? And isn't the flying dutchman THE Ghost Ship par excellence? :D

haha the flying Dutchman, thats a good one haha :D ;D
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: Shipdude98 on July 16, 2008, 17:27:42
I have see them, it makes towing a heck of alot harder. I was towing 3 Ocean Stars at once! then a motorboat clone rammed right into me. (Aliens?) ;)
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: NathanC on July 16, 2008, 17:53:28
I have see them, it makes towing a heck of alot harder. I was towing 3 Ocean Stars at once! then a motorboat clone rammed right into me. (Aliens?) ;)

haha, i think this forum has just had a sudden outburst of "Alien Fever", check Llamalords "Ship Simulator Secret Parking LoT" topic  ;D
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: pauljanaway1 on July 16, 2008, 20:38:39
i hate clone ships as they allways get in the way in make it very hard to drive when you have somtimes 2 or 3 times the mumber of ships
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: Jackobaker53 on July 16, 2008, 23:19:55
Maybe the Furie was a german u-boat,and its following you to torpedo you?, maybe they are kamikazees or real people trapped in the game that want to get out into the real world? This seems like a contreversial issue :). Not allowed to dwnload furie so cant see the ghost ships myself but looks from NathanC's pic that the ghost ships are all furies, so destroy the furie and destroy the people stranded inside your pc  ;D
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: NathanC on July 17, 2008, 06:23:29
Maybe the Furie was a german u-boat,and its following you to torpedo you?, maybe they are kamikazees or real people trapped in the game that want to get out into the real world? This seems like a contreversial issue :). Not allowed to dwnload furie so cant see the ghost ships myself but looks from NathanC's pic that the ghost ships are all furies, so destroy the furie and destroy the people stranded inside your pc  ;D

Not so fast  ;D

I was in a Bugsier and was ran over by an Ocean Star, while i was towing another Ocean Star  :D
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on July 27, 2008, 06:42:39
i hate the ghost ships in MP they always sink me.  i control the ship from the bridge so i cant see them if they are behind me
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: RMS Gigantic on July 27, 2008, 06:57:48
I call them clones.

I have tons of pics. They show up on user servers. Want me to upload my clone pics?
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: llamalord on July 27, 2008, 07:01:02
I'd personally love to see them I find this code error kind of creepy. :-\ ;)
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: TerryRussell on July 27, 2008, 11:07:42
I call them clones.

I have tons of pics. They show up on user servers. Want me to upload my clone pics?

That sounds interesting. Could you start a new topic in "Media" for that? Also, to warn people with slow connections, please include "WARNING - LARGE FILES" or something similar. Then no-one can complain.

I'll move this topic to General Discussions as well.
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: NathanC on July 27, 2008, 11:11:02
That sounds interesting. Could you start a new topic in "Media" for that? Also, to warn people with slow connections, please include "WARNING - LARGE FILES" or something similar. Then no-one can complain.

I'll move this topic to General Discussions as well.

Hi Terry, look above at my post - some pics of clones
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: TerryRussell on July 27, 2008, 11:23:02
Yeah, I saw those. Heh heh.

But if RMS Gigantic is going to post a lot of images, it's best in Media with a warning. Aad The Pirate has done that very sccessfully with Elbe & Furie pictures.
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: NathanC on July 27, 2008, 11:25:15
Yes, that's fair

More pics
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: topguncap on July 27, 2008, 12:35:09
ive come across odd goings on in mp server when someones name is suddenly up in the air and the ship is flying most uncanny i assume its a glitch in the game :P :P
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: pauljanaway1 on July 27, 2008, 12:36:11
yes it's a bug i think to do with ther person who runs the servers pc
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: llamalord on July 27, 2008, 13:23:03
Which one is the clone in the above pictures? :-\
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: NathanC on July 27, 2008, 17:11:11
Which one is the clone in the above pictures? :-\

All of them  :o
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: matt5674 on July 27, 2008, 20:37:41
i've senn ghost ships,not in multiplayer but in free roaming at rotterdam northsea and bergen north sea.at rotterdam north sea facing northwest at the southeast corner the vermaas is there but not on the charter or radar. at bergen north sea going that same direction but turning south, the sherpa and oil rig are there but not on instruments in the bridge of the rpa12.
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: llamalord on July 27, 2008, 22:14:33
All of them  :o

Dude!!! :o :o :o
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: matt5674 on July 28, 2008, 17:15:39
good thing i didn't see titanic in the atlantic ocean........BUT SHE WAS ON MY RADAR SCREEN!!!! :o
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: trains on July 31, 2008, 23:02:35
i ran into one today. it was the Furie. every time i used the horn, it copied me. i was unable to move.
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: matt5674 on August 01, 2008, 01:27:07
i had a few more sightings of ghosts in the atlantic,north sea(rotterdam,hamburg) and mediteranean sea(marseile mediteranean)of the vermaas and the pride of rotterdam
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: TerryRussell on August 01, 2008, 05:58:50
Here is a shot from last night's "Masters PEC" exam. From my viewpoint, there were three Davepuseys (frightening enough).

But to make things really scary, the Latitudes were practising to become a circus act!
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: IRI5HJ4CK on August 01, 2008, 09:37:17
Here is a shot from last night's "Masters PEC" exam. From my viewpoint, there were three Davepuseys (frightening enough).

But to make things really scary, the Latitudes were practising to become a circus act!


hahaha! thaats the best i have seen yet. What actually causes these clones?


Jack.
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: Saphire on August 01, 2008, 09:44:40
I was playing one night on IRI5HJ4CK's Furie Sever and a Furie came charging up the bay and slamed me against the pier, don't have any photo's.
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: TerryRussell on August 01, 2008, 15:54:30
What actually causes these clones?

Davepusey.  ;D

Thing is, these ships were "really" there on my PC, but not on Dave's. When Dave exited the game, that top one came crashing down.

So it's not a server-generated thing, it's a client-side artifact (that is, it is on the user's PC, not on the server).
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: RMS Gigantic on August 03, 2008, 03:48:31
Sometimes only 1 person can see it or them, sometimes everyone exept 1 person can see it, or sometimes everyone can see it.

Titanic clones are NIGHTMARES!

There were 2 Titanic clones of 1 Titanic on one of my servers (either NH Biggest Ships or Biggest Ships) and my fps DROPPED LIKE A ROCK. I was a speed boat, and drove into them, between 2 of their bows and got stuck wedged in there ;D

Once, I moored to 2 Redjet4 clones, and when the Redjet they were following left, they stopped moving, but stayed in the enviroment, rather than leaving with them. When the Redjet respawned as a Vermaas, though, I was dragged across Marseille VERY quickly -- even over the harbor walls! And when the Vermaas left the server, they started dragging me off the map. When I got caught on a harbor wall, though, they could go no further. It was VERY fun ;D
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: llamalord on August 03, 2008, 05:43:36
I thought I'd just shed some light on the creators of the clones.

I, and I don't think anyone, really knows what causes these clones but putting together all the information (I can explain one by one later if you ask) but I'll through out my best. ;)



1. A packet is sent from computer A.

2. The packet is currepted in transit to computer B.

3. Once computer B. recives the message is "makes" the clone ship.

4. The next packet that is sent from computer B. to computer A. (Obviosly though the server) contains all the information about the Clone ship.

5. The packets continue in a loop forever because there is no input from a player but phyisics moduals still run because that is a function of the server not the computer.

Hope this helps,
   The Lord of The Llamas
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: RMS Gigantic on August 03, 2008, 06:09:50
I almost forgot! Sometimes there are clones of ships NO ONE PRESENT IS EVEN STEERING!

Anyway, usually clones disappear when the ship that spawned them leaves the enviroment, with a few exceptions.

Also, some ships DO have screennames, but when they do, it's of someone that's still in the chatroom and not in the enviroment.
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: llamalord on August 03, 2008, 06:17:42
That's because the currupted packet "Needs" a name and it is just broken enough to take a random one form the non-Dedicated people. ;)
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on August 03, 2008, 06:20:04
Sometimes only 1 person can see it or them, sometimes everyone exept 1 person can see it, or sometimes everyone can see it.

Titanic clones are NIGHTMARES!

There were 2 Titanic clones of 1 Titanic on one of my servers (either NH Biggest Ships or Biggest Ships) and my fps DROPPED LIKE A ROCK. I was a speed boat, and drove into them, between 2 of their bows and got stuck wedged in there ;D

Once, I moored to 2 Redjet4 clones, and when the Redjet they were following left, they stopped moving, but stayed in the enviroment, rather than leaving with them. When the Redjet respawned as a Vermaas, though, I was dragged across Marseille VERY quickly -- even over the harbor walls! And when the Vermaas left the server, they started dragging me off the map. When I got caught on a harbor wall, though, they could go no further. It was VERY fun ;D
I think i was with you when that happened in Marseille
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: llamalord on August 03, 2008, 06:21:16
Wasn't there a screen shot of that a while ago on this forum. :D
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: RMS Gigantic on August 03, 2008, 06:26:34
I think i was with you when that happened in Marseille
Come to think of it, I think you were!
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on August 03, 2008, 06:28:16
it was really weird.  You pulled out of the harbor with 3 red jets and one was almost on your back
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: llamalord on August 03, 2008, 06:30:40
It's like formation flying only about 800 knots slower. ;D
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: RMS Gigantic on August 03, 2008, 06:34:49
it was really weird.  You pulled out of the harbor with 3 red jets and one was almost on your back
Then the one that had the clones dissapeared, and when they respawned, I was going faster than the speedboat, being pulled along by the 2 RJ4s ;D
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on August 03, 2008, 06:35:19
yea at about 15 knots
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: RMS Gigantic on August 03, 2008, 06:36:56
yea at about 15 knots
But I was flying across Marseille much faster than that after their respawning ;D

Wasn't I an RPA 12?
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on August 03, 2008, 06:37:25
i think so
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: llamalord on August 03, 2008, 06:37:41
That's a pretty good laugh. :D
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: RMS Gigantic on August 03, 2008, 06:38:47
Oh! That's right! I could attach to them because I used towing cables, not mooring lines!
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: llamalord on August 03, 2008, 06:42:22
Is there really a difference in the simulator>
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: RMS Gigantic on August 03, 2008, 06:43:11
I FOUND A PICTURE OF THE INCIDENT!

Only one, though.
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: llamalord on August 03, 2008, 06:44:51
That's surprisingly normal looking ;D
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: RMS Gigantic on August 03, 2008, 06:47:01
There ar 4 RJ4s, but only 2 have names.

And the clones followed the named RJ4 on the right, though it was rather funny when we got one of them behind the barrier ;D
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on August 03, 2008, 06:47:40
Look theres me it got really weird after about 10 mins
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: matt5674 on August 04, 2008, 20:15:22
that was some good thinking but you had missed one...the one near the center right near the far right red jet 4
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: RMS Gigantic on August 06, 2008, 01:24:12
that was some good thinking but you had missed one...the one near the center right near the far right red jet 4
That's the one behind the barrier
Title: Re: "Ghost Ships"-Clones
Post by: Capt. Le Velle on August 06, 2008, 04:08:32
they are following Gemstone i didnt have any till i left the harbor