Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator 2006 => General discussions => Topic started by: TitanicDL on May 01, 2007, 20:19:56
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Hi there, newbie here. lol
I recently purchased the Ship Simulator 2006 game, after discovering the TITANIC was included in it! I was thrilled, considering I am a big Titanic Enthusiast. The game is great, runs smoothly, and the details and graphics are beautiful.
However, to my disappointment, the ships do not sink. lol. I have ran ships, for example: Titanic, in the shallow water areas, and she tilts to the side as to about to collapse. It was pretty neat the first time I saw it, especially when you're walking around.
I sailed her into a cliff also, and... she didn't sink. (Yet, when she hit ice..... she was a goner. Beats me lol)
Is it possible to sink the ship? If so, how? Do I need to download a patch, or file?
~TDL
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Greetings,
Yes,this has been on the old forum to.O.K.remember that the 2006 version is the very first release of the game.We are still busy to make things more realystic.This all takes time,but i believe in future releases,this wil al be possible.
Vstep,will keeps us informed about all these features.
Regards
Marc
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Hi,
I've only just purchased Ship Simulator 2006 and already know how to sink a ship ::) .
In one of the missions, container ship in New York, I was steaming along the channel. My view was from inside the wheelhouse. Suddenly the vessel started listing to starboard. Kept listing severely. I thought I'd been hit by another vessel so panned out to better view the surrounds. No other vessel in the area and my ship still listing. It then turned right over, only the bottom of the hull showing. Zoomed back in to hear if any survivors tapping from inside the hull.... Nothing. (Poseidon Adventure? :D). Then started wondering what the hell knocked me over. Chart seemed okay. Then zoomed in on the chart. Lo and behold. There marked, was a submerged wreck.
Now, if you get the Titanic. Find that wreck in NY Harbour. Pretend it's an iceberg. And try to hit it.
Voila! Titanic 2.
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Well, for now I guess I'll have 2 wait to sink a ship but I want a mission on the last voyage of the Titanic and the special part is that you have to save as many passenger as you can before she sinks. That would not be common
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Well, for now I guess I'll have 2 wait to sink a ship but I want a mission on the last voyage of the Titanic and the special part is that you have to save as many passenger as you can before she sinks. That would not be common
On the old forum we had a huge discussion about recreating the Titanic wreck for pleasure. After some fighting we agreed not to recreate the terrible sinking just for fun. Its not fun, there was a huge loss of life. That topic was created by myself. So don't expect to see anything, especially anything with Titanic and saving passengers.
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Its not fun, there was a huge loss of life.
No need to get annoyed about it. Its fine, I know about the disaster and many more.
back on topic, I think IF the Titanic just so happenes to hit an object at the same location as the iceberg did then it should sink simmilar to what happened. Come to think about it, I think if ships were able to sink in the near future games they should study how ships sink when they're hit in that place so when in the game the ship is hit there, it sinks properly in a realistic way.
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They should study how ships sink when they're hit in that place so when in the game the ship is hit there, it sinks properly in a realistic way.
I really gotta Agree with that
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they should study how ships sink when they're hit in that place so when in the game the ship is hit there, it sinks properly in a realistic way.
To be honest, I don't see much point in that. The whole idea is not to sink the ships, and I'd much rather have the developers spend their time perfecting the dynamics of floating ships!
Cheers,
Michael
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I guess that some people are intrested in how ships sink. Im also intrested.
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I guess that some people are intrested in how ships sink. Im also intrested.
Greetings,
I think the whole idea of this ship-simulator,infact all simulators,is not to sink ships.
You have to steer your vessel,the right way.I'm not like the idea,i agree with mporter.
However,when the game ever come online,you will find out that accidents realy do happen.
But to sink your ship on purpose,that's not realy my thing.
Regards
Marc
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Hello,
It is to be agreed that sinking ships are "interesting" events. Unfortunately, these are usually very unpleasant sea hazards for all sailors, and not only the victims.
These great events are full of emotions (The Titanic) and even deadly heroism. The sinking of the Titanic was impressive, but is far from being the most lethal. There are other ones less known, for instance http://www.wilhelmgustloff.com/sinking.htm , that were more notable.
I am sure you could also find more horrific fine stories, suitable for Enthousiast people who like to know everything about such disasters and many more frightening situations. Be assured sailors dislike them.
RNLI-, KNRM-, SNSM- DGzRS- or DLRG- (and of many other nations) people could as well wish to have a simulation for such events. But ShipSimulator is not Silent Hunter, and while ships do sink, there is not much to be learned from it until now. That could of course change with ShipSim 2008, the sinking having been implemented to the greatest pleasure of adepts of realism in a simulation.
But for people who want to know HOW ships sink, I doubt they will learn anything realistic, for reasons similar to these about dynamic behavior of the ships. In the case of sinking, there have been also far less experiments, and consequently no robust theory. There just remains some "eye candy (?)", and IMO a fascination sometimes of very bad or morbid taste.
Seeing a sinking ship, you must rush to save the people in danger... do all you can, even if (more especially as) you were responsible of the event. I suppose most people will agree with that.
More to the point, if you play Hitman, you know your role is one of a criminal. Intentionally sinking a ship, ie putting lives in danger, is equally a crime. I know of no real game, or sport event, that would ask for sinking a ship...
Regards,
Luc
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You can sink ships in Virtual Sailor. Anyway a realistic sinking where departments of the ship are flooded and where boilers blow etc is probably more something that you can find in the latest Silent Hunter. In Silent Hunter you can sink ships as much as you want if that’s the thing that give you a “kickâ€.
What I’m looking for is more a simulator where you have to deal with a situation where the ship isn’t sinking and where you control ballast water or you have a damage to the hull where a department of the ship is field up with seawater and you have to deal with stability factors etc. to handle that situation before it becomes too critical. Also failures where wrong cargo handling gives the ship a critical stability would also be interesting. Said in other words; what happens before the sinking is much more interesting than the sinking itself.
I also agree with LucAtC, marcstrat and mporter’s opinion about the subject. :)
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Me too why would you ever want to do that.
If you ask me especially with the Titanic it would be direspectful and upsetting. :D
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To just make it more real. Because it is sad but in real life ships do sink. And when I say sink I mean big damage not just a hole.
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If you have a lot of damage by accident and it sinks fine but i wouldn't want to sink it on purpose.
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I'm still on the fence about this subject, I have no problem playing games about WWII, yet the idea of re-sinking the Titanic for fun just seems wrong to me, and I'm not sure why.
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I agree sinking the Titanic no matter where you are in the virtual world is wrong, to think of all the lives lost in that accident should be enough reason not to do it. :-\ :-[
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Did you listen to you're teachers, SHIPS FLOATS! They are built to float and not sink. Why do you want to sink it ?? Or Drill a hole in your screen and you hava a HOLE with a little imgaination then take a bucket of water and simulate the titanic sinking. Then make the breaking effect that titanic had by beating the screen in 2. DONE!:D
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I think ur being too emotional about it, but if a ship gets enough damage, runs aground, hits another boat somthing should happen. Its not like in real life a boat gets hit and nothing happens, I just think somthing should happen. if the boat has too much damage on the bow, it should sink bow first, same with the sides and stern. Nothing dramatic, just a sinking ship.
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Well yes sinking is ok. But with titanic its another story over a thousand ppl. died that night. And to simulate their ship sinking is not a good tribute too them. But im 100% for sinking a ship that is fictional or real. But no ships that has sunk in RL with casualties.
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Well I think it would be ok to make the Titanic sinkable only because that is wut happens to ships when they fill with water. nothing crazy, just simple and no tragic part. Cus the Titanic is another ship just like the Ocean star or the speed boat, it should sink. But not crazy like the sad past.
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A ship that sinks undramaticlly ok i get your point.
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Yes, I beleive the Titanic in the game should be able to sink but as far as recreating the actual sinking of it, or any other ship would be in bad taste.
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The good part is that there is no people on the ships so no one would get killed or hurt when a ship sinks.
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yup thats why I don't or wouldn't feel as bad sinking the Titanic
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Greetings,
The sinking of a ship,is not realy my idea for the game.
However,accidents do happen,i want to see the result on mmy ship,when i hit something a bit to hard.
Like paint that has been gone,or the part where i hit the shipshull,turned into croupouk.
The sinking itself,i think it's not a part of the game,because you are suposed to steer the vessel,like a realy captain,and i can tell you,no captain wants to see his vessel goes down.
Regards
Marc
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That's o so treu, Marc. No Captian want's his ship to go down, and the very good ones will stay and try to save the ship, when it does go down. I really don't like to think abaut it, what would happen, if the "Eemspoort" would gt run over by a seaship, or something... >:(
However, things like that do happen. And i agree, that there has to be viewable damage on the ships in the game, when you hit something, or when something hits you. Sinking is the very last thing that should happen, but in some cases it's not to be avoided.
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I agree with most people here, I do not see the porpouse of sinking a ship no matter what the circumstances.
Ships are there to sail NOT SINK, I know it might sound like fun but it isn't. :-\
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I agree. It should only sink when there is enough damage.
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That is wut I'm saying, but if there is too much damadge in one area it should sink in that general direction. Sinking a ship would be the last thing that should happen, scratches, dents that is wut should happen before sinking a ship
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That is wut I'm saying, but if there is too much damadge in one area it should sink in that general direction. Sinking a ship would be the last thing that should happen, scratches, dents that is wut should happen before sinking a ship
I understand, I guess if it was an accidental mistake because of damage maybe, but I am still, hesitent.
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Hi,
I've only just purchased Ship Simulator 2006 and already know how to sink a ship ::) .
In one of the missions, container ship in New York, I was steaming along the channel. My view was from inside the wheelhouse. Suddenly the vessel started listing to starboard. Kept listing severely. I thought I'd been hit by another vessel so panned out to better view the surrounds. No other vessel in the area and my ship still listing. It then turned right over, only the bottom of the hull showing. Zoomed back in to hear if any survivors tapping from inside the hull.... Nothing. (Poseidon Adventure? :D). Then started wondering what the hell knocked me over. Chart seemed okay. Then zoomed in on the chart. Lo and behold. There marked, was a submerged wreck.
Now, if you get the Titanic. Find that wreck in NY Harbour. Pretend it's an iceberg. And try to hit it.
Voila! Titanic 2.
Do You Think The Sunken Vesil On The Demo Version?
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Well the sinking of the ships, even the titanic wouldn't be a isue for me. But to actually recreate the entire accident of the titanic. NO WAY. That is a little bit to much.
But as mentioned before, to see damage on a ship when you do a faulty manouvere would be a big future for the game. It is a simulator after all.
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Yes, I beleive the Titanic in the game should be able to sink but as far as recreating the actual sinking of it, or any other ship would be in bad taste.
I agree in principle. But, from an academic point of view it could be informative- would Titanic have sunk if it hit the ice burg straight on. Or an accident I saw when a ferry hit the berth in Calais (engine fault)- did the captain handle it the best way (in this case he did for certain actually)- how would we mere mortals have done it.
To put so much into the images of the ship disappearing below the waves is a bit silly, imho
Stu
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I agree in principle. But, from an academic point of view it could be informative- would Titanic have sunk if it hit the ice burg straight on. Or an accident I saw when a ferry hit the berth in Calais (engine fault)- did the captain handle it the best way (in this case he did for certain actually)- how would we mere mortals have done it.
To put so much into the images of the ship disappearing below the waves is a bit silly, imho
Stu
A little on topic here but I ones saw on discovery, I tought, that when the Titanic should be steerd DIRECTLY at the iceberg. Only the front end would have been damaged and it probally would still be kept above the water (affloud??) because than there wasn't such a big gap in the side of the ship.
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A little on topic here but I ones saw on discovery, I tought, that when the Titanic should be steerd DIRECTLY at the iceberg. Only the front end would have been damaged and it probally would still be kept above the water (affloud??) because than there wasn't such a big gap in the side of the ship.
I agree, the Titanic's main problem was that so many compartments flooded so quickly, and the guys in the bridge didn't know the extent of the flooding so didn't close enough doors. She was an incredibly tough ship, had she hit the iceberg head on then at most probably 2 compartments would have flooded. She may even have been able to limp to New York, or another American port.
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If I may make a point gentlemen...
I suspect that when the order was given to put the helm over that there was a hope of missing it altogether.
Luc, if I recall you had some interesting facts about the performance of rudders hard over at speed.
As Luc said, it is debatable whether ramming the iceburg would have saved the ship- there wasn't huge crumple zones like on a car.
Stuart
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It may not have saved the ship but it would have made the flooding easier to control, prolonging the time the Titanic had before she sank. This would have given more time for the Carpathia to arrive and more people could have been saved.
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I may not have saved the ship but it would have made the flooding easier to control, prolonging the time the Titanic had before she sank. This would have given more time for the Carpathia to arrive and more people could have been saved.
Yes, but as said above. When they put the helm over they would have hoped to MISS the iceberg altogether. Sail past. Scot free. No incident. No accident.
Like the bloke who swerves his car to avoid a rabbit yet hits a lamp post. He didn't INTEND to hit the lamp post.
Stu
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Yes, but as said above. When they put the helm over they would have hoped to MISS the iceberg altogether. Sail past. Scot free. No incident. No accident.
Like the bloke who swerves his car to avoid a rabbit yet hits a lamp post. He didn't INTEND to hit the lamp post.
Stu
Oh yes, I'm quite sure everyone knows why the Captain did what he did, I certainly do. I am merely hypothesising as to what, if anything, could have been done to save, or slow down the sinking of the Titanic. I realise that the people on the bridge could not possibly have known that the iceberg was in fact bigger beneath the sea's surface.