Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator 2008 => Topic started by: kev600 on June 16, 2007, 19:00:01
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is there any chance that you can repeat certain times on the titanic voyage like april the 14th. try to avoid the iceberg and continue with the voyage. that would be good!!! also is there gonna be icebergs to do this?
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Well, there should be some work on it....
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I think it's respectless.
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Why respectless? <sic>
If it is done 'for a 'larf' then maybe you have a point. If it is done for academic interest then what's the problem?
I do think that- with respect to VStep that since the ship is long gone that making the dynamics sufficiently realistic to replicate the parameters that would have saved the ship is impossible.
Stu
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I don't know why I think it's respectless... It's just... Many people died on the Titanic, it wouldn't be so nice to make the whole scene* again, would it?
* wrong word for it, right? >_>
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But couldn't you say the same thing about that afwul dull Cameron film? Should a film have been made about dying?
(Personally I think they shouldn't have made that film but not for 'taste' reasons, just it is dull as can be. (don't tell Mr DJM- He'll bar me!))
I'm not telling you are wrong, just not sure if I agree, but I understand your concerns.
Stu
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That's what I mean, I don't know why I think it's respectless... I like the movie alot xP.
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(Personally I think they shouldn't have made that film but not for 'taste' reasons, just it is dull as can be. (don't tell Mr DJM- He'll bar me!))
ROFL, maybe I should have kept quiet about the fact that I LOVE Titanic (Movie and Ship) ..................nah, I'm quite proud of the fact actually (on both counts) ;D
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Wouldn't it also slightly damage the reputation of Ship Sim too? Still, it'd be interesting to see if it'd avoid the iceburg if the port engine was set to full astern, etc.
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Hah. I personally See no problem in doing such a thing. Recreating the conditions on April 14th, 1912, 11:40pm.
Even though it's evil sounding, I just love the second half of Titanic, when it sinks. I don't think that's a bad thing, though. AFter all, it happened 95 years ago, or however long ago it happened. One might say it's "all in the past".
But, anyway, I think that even just having icebergs in the game is good enough, to create one of the many great threats to ships out there on the ocean, and add to realism. And if someone wants to ram titanic into one of those icebergs, well that's fine with me.
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it happened 95 years ago, or however long ago it happened.
Yeah... She's almost for 100 years under water =l...
She won't be there forever, right?
Will she be gone in... ~ 2025 ? - Just asking...
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Yeah... She's almost for 100 years under water =l...
She won't be there forever, right?
Will she be gone in... ~ 2025 ? - Just asking...
Apparently, the amount of rust and decay on the ship structure may mean that she will be gone much sooner than that.....maybe before 2010 :(
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Are you serious? That's 3 years... And there's still pretty much left, isn't it?
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Are you serious? That's 3 years... And there's still pretty much left, isn't it?
The strusture is decaying rapidly according to the experts. They have 'expeditions' to the site for people to view what's left. So I hear, it costs in excess of £10,000 to go on one of these expeditions, primarily because she has little time left before she disintegrates.
A real shame that such a great ship is almost gone forever :(
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What about the Britannic? She's in a perfect state, isn't she?
( I have coordinates of her wreck on Google Earth, http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,465.0.html )
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What about the Britannic? She's in a perfect state, isn't she?
( I have coordinates of her wreck on Google Earth, http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,465.0.html )
Not sure about Britannic, I've only really been interested in Titanic (of the 3 in that class anyway) ;)
All I know about Britannic is that she sank because of errors made after Titanic foundered. They tried to correct the E-Deck watertight doors issue, but made the problem worse (some kind of skin was fitted). Britannic capsized and more people died because of this, so I hear :(
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Britannic sank in 1916 because she hit a mine. She sank in 55 minutes, very close to the coast of Kea, a Greek island. Of the 1,200 (guessed) people only 30 died. They died because some of the lifeboats got sucked up in the still turning screws, chopping the people and the lifeboats up.. Sigh.. So sad.
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Britannic sank in 1916 because she hit a mine. She sank in 55 minutes, very close to the coast of Kea, a Greek island. Of the 1,200 (guessed) people only 30 died. They died because some of the lifeboats got sucked up in the still turning screws, chopping the people and the lifeboats up.. Sigh.. So sad.
Maybe I'm thinking of the Olympic then......better recheck my facts lol
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Err, Olympic did not sink, she got scrapped ;)
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Err, Olympic did not sink, she got scrapped ;)
Hmmm......
Can anyone tell that I don't really know a great deal about shipping? :P
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This is going a bit offtopic... Isn't it?
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This is going a bit offtopic... Isn't it?
Indeed. I was just gonna mention that too ;)
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Haha!
Well, I know it goes against the way some things work in forums, but it's always interesting to see exactly how far off topic a thread can go. Hmm... it's going further off topic as I speak...
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Britannic sank in 1916 because she hit a mine. She sank in 55 minutes, very close to the coast of Kea, a Greek island. Of the 1,200 (guessed) people only 30 died. They died because some of the lifeboats got sucked up in the still turning screws, chopping the people and the lifeboats up.. Sigh.. So sad.
I don't think that is correct. There was an 'alternative theory' in a film about Britannic, where it was sunk by a coal dust explosion started by a German spy. The spy saved a nurse and ended up going through the propellors (still going??? Where was the steam coming from?) This film was good entertainment, but fiction.
In actual fact some of the crew tried lowering the boats whilst in motion, and this meant they broke up on the surface of the moving water but when the main evacuation started the ship had stopped. Capt realised he couldn't make land, so ordered dead stop and evacuation.
There was a film which showed the props still turning as she went right under. Load of rubbish. (a bit like the 2006 Poseidon film)
Stu
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The spy saved a nurse and ended up going through the propellors (still going??? Where was the steam coming from?) This film was good entertainment, but fiction.
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Unless the boilers were destroyed in some way the engines could still be running. There is plenty of steam in a water-tube boiler and plenty of heat in the boiler mountings for some time after the fires are out.
Just a niggling reality check. ;D
Cheers,
Michael
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I think unless the engineering crew were all killed (possible) the first priority for them would have been to bleed the steam off.
It's not a good idea letting superheated steam come into contact with incoming cold water. It tends to explode. So it is normal to bleed it off. They certainly wouldn't run the props once the abandon order came.
Stu
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In fact there are suspicions that the boilers did expolde and caused the ship to sink even quicker, but no one can be sure because nobody has ever been able to reach the engine room to check, not even with RC bots.
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I think were expecting way to much of the second issue release of Ship Simulator
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But couldn't you say the same thing about that afwul dull Cameron film? Should a film have been made about dying?
(Personally I think they shouldn't have made that film but not for 'taste' reasons, just it is dull as can be. (don't tell Mr DJM- He'll bar me!))
I'm not telling you are wrong, just not sure if I agree, but I understand your concerns.
Stu
hes got a good point-that film really sucked!
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i heard that there is plans to make britannic the first under water museum ever. I heard this it may be right or wrong i don't know. this is question do you ever think someone could collect enough funds for a full sized coal fired titanic. Or even oil fired? but not diesel. There would be no point then i think. But would it be possibile like Richard Branson would has a great interest in transport would maybe give a few funds and start a project?
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Back in 1998 not long after the cr*p film came out, there was a feasibility study into building a replica. It was professionally done and costed and I believe it was about twice the price of a modern design of its size.
Ultimately, you are talking 250,000,000 to build a ship and launch a business on it.
The problem was that once interest died down in the Cameron film, there wouldn't have been enough business to sustain it. Like Londons Routemaster buses, or steam trains. They look great, bring enthusiasts out but the reality is that they are not commercially viable.
Stu
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i heard that there is plans to make britannic the first under water museum ever. I heard this it may be right or wrong i don't know.
I have read something about that. I think, if I still remember, that Robert Ballard or whatever that's man called, who found the Titanic in 1985 (on my birthday :D), made that suggestion.
Lemme find that web page.
Dr.Ballard's project
After visiting Britannic's wreck in 1995,Dr.Robert Ballard had an impressive idea that may change the way we look at shipwrecks.Considerering that the wreck is in relatively shallow waters and it's very well preserved,he proposed the creation of a virtual underwater museum using sofisticated video cameras installed in key points inside the ship.The images would be transmitted in "real time" to a receiving station at Kea and then to the Internet.This way everyone would have access to the world's greatest sunken liner.The tecnology for this project already exists although it would be quite difficult to make it happen.
There are certain problems that must be taken into consideration:
PAYBACK OF THE INITIAL COSTS: The video equipment alone is really expensive and will also require qualified divers (and many dives) to install it on the wreck.Then there is the receiving station at Kea (land,facilities,electronic equipment,tecnicians) and the maintenance of the system (see below).Someone must pay for all this.Most possibly there will be created a pay-site or a non-profit organization.Will that be enough to cover the initial costs?
MAINTENANCE: Electronics can fail in normal environment,immagine what can happen under tons of water.If there is a problem someone must dive down there to fix it.
PUBLIC INTEREST: Would people pay to see the Britannic on the Inernet and maintain the facilities of the museum?Britannic was a great ship and in addition she was Titanic's sistership.But Britannic will never be Titanic for a long list of reasons.Actually I don't think any ship -past or future- will manage to replace her in our hearts.Great part of Britannic's magic lies on the fact that we know so little about her.If everyone can have access to the wreck -even virtual- what will happen?There'll be an initial enthousiasm but then interest will slowly start to decline.It's the law of the market.
LONG-TERM DANGERS: Britannic won't last forever.Eventually will start to collapse like her famous sistership.What will happen to the video equipment is easy to immagine.
Source: http://www.hospitalshipbritannic.com/museum.htm
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looks like a good link, but To be honest, i didnt have time to read all of it, but no doubt it mentions that she is hell to get into. remember when they were trying to get into the firemans passage? It was hell fire. Anyway, whtever happed to HMS Scilla? Surely she'd be a viable start?
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well there is lots of steam railways around in england and there is many steam train excursions here in dublin aswell. They are presevered. Also is the Normadic or Nomadic the only presevred steam ship around. is there any great coal fire steam ships around or even oil fired????
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looks like a good link, but To be honest, i didnt have time to read all of it, but no doubt it mentions that she is hell to get into. remember when they were trying to get into the firemans passage? It was hell fire. Anyway, whtever happed to HMS Scilla? Surely she'd be a viable start?
Which HMS Scylla are you refering to? There have been five ships in the RN to bear that name:
1) An 18-gun brig-sloop launched in 1809 and broken up 1846.
2) A wooden screw corvette launched in 1856 and sold for breakup in 1882.
3) A 2nd class cruiser in service from 1891 to 1914.
4) A cruiser launched in 1940, seriously damaged by a mine in 1944, and sold in 1950.
5) A Leander class frigate in service from 1970 to 1993, and sunk as an artificial reef in 2004 off of the SW coast near Plymouth.
Regards,
Andy
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Hate to sound pendantic fellow ship simmers but "respectless" aint a real word..dis-respect is . ;)
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Hate to sound pendantic fellow ship simmers but "respectless" aint a real word..dis-respect is . ;)
Haha, so true. But neither is "Aint". It's "Ain't". =]]
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What does "pendantic" mean, please? ???
Not to be found with google translate.
Luc
Edit :Thanks , [RWP]DJM
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What does "pendantic" mean, please? ???
Not to be found with google translate.
Luc
I believe he means Pedantic ;):
Overly concerned with minute details.
Regards.
DJM.
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well there is lots of steam railways around in england and there is many steam train excursions here in dublin aswell. They are presevered. Also is the Normadic or Nomadic the only presevred steam ship around. is there any great coal fire steam ships around or even oil fired????
Nomadic ;). Yes, she's the last White Star Line's ship afloat. Nomadic was a tender carrier for the Titanic.
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Hate to sound pendantic fellow ship simmers but "respectless" aint a real word..dis-respect is . ;)
Err. Excuse me but did you not note the Dutch flag next to his name? Can you speak Dutch yourself and say disrespectful in gramatically perfect Dutch? No. OK
Whilst we are on the subject, Pedantic has only one N in it.
Funny, we were just talking about language barriers elsewhere. Try reading it, you might learn something.
Suart
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Haha, so true. But neither is "Aint". It's "Ain't". =]]
It's not "ain't", it's "are not". :D
Hate to sound pendantic fellow ship simmers but "respectless" aint a real word..dis-respect is .
And seeing as those are not the right words for the sentence, it should be "is not". ;D
This site can be so technical at times. :D
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I don't know why I think it's respectless... It's just... Many people died on the Titanic, it wouldn't be so nice to make the whole scene* again, would it?
* wrong word for it, right? >_>
They already did it with Titanic Adventure Out of Time. You even got to experince the sinking and try to escape. i have the game and its great.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic:_Adventure_Out_of_Time
(http://www.barracudanet.com/titanic/images/sinking.jpg)
(http://www.macgamer.com/Reviews-old/titanic/sinking.gif)
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004U22J.02._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
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They already did it with Titanic Adventure Out of Time. You even got to experince the sinking and try to escape. i have the game and its great.
I'm just curious, do you use that game on Win XP ??? I've been looking at it for quite a while now and it says Win '95 only :-\
Regards.
DJM.
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I'm just curious, do you use that game on Win XP ??? I've been looking at it for quite a while now and it says Win '95 only :-\
Regards.
DJM.
Yes, it will work on XP. I have the windows/MAC hybrid version, and it works fine on mine. Except for a few random shut-downs on mine. But it's just my computer. I played it on another XP computer and it was fine.
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Yes, it will work on XP. I have the windows/MAC hybrid version, and it works fine on mine. Except for a few random shut-downs on mine. But it's just my computer. I played it on another XP computer and it was fine.
Excellent, thank you :D
Regards.
DJM.
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In fact, Britannic's propellors could of still be running When the famous lifeboat propellor incident occurred, the vessel was still far enough above the water to feasibly have steam running through the ships system. I mean, let us recall, Barlett ordered Britannic flank speed to Kea Island after she first explosion, which I personally credit to a mine (and there is much proof for this theory), however, as the vessel began to rapidly list, Barlett ordered the engines be ceased and that crew aid in the evacuation of the ship. It was evident, via both witness reports and with the known characteristics of the captain and crew, that I doubt much care was given to shutting down the systems. I think just a quick drop and run was the order of the moment. HA HA! Sad, but true.
Also, if you analyze the timeline of the sinking, the vessel only sank in about 55 minutes, there is a great possibility that the engines could of still been running around the time the lifeboat prop incident was believed to of happened. It was said that the timeline of events went:
Time of IMPACT APPROX 8:10AM (according to several report)
8:13-8:15 (3-5 minutes after impact) Bartlett orders ahead full to Kea Island
8:25 (13-15 minutes after impact) Bartlett cancels order and has all efforts to get passengers and crew off of the vessel
9:05am (55 minutes after impact) Britannic is reported to disappear from the surface.
It was said that the incident of the prop and lifeboat incident was 5-10 minutes before the vessel went completely under (again based on witness reports), that places the incident at about 8:55-9:00am. I believe it was likely more like approx. 5-10 minutes before the reported time.
Regardless, that still shows there is enough time to consider that the props could possibly still be running. However, I would doubt they were still spinning at the time the vesel went completely under.
Thoughts?
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They already did it with Titanic Adventure Out of Time. You even got to experince the sinking and try to escape. i have the game and its great.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic:_Adventure_Out_of_Time
(http://www.barracudanet.com/titanic/images/sinking.jpg)
(http://www.macgamer.com/Reviews-old/titanic/sinking.gif)
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004U22J.02._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
I used to have this game. MAN it was fun. But the lack of people walking around on the ship made it feel very lonely . . .
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Some of the artwork was simply fantastic, as well.
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I think unless the engineering crew were all killed (possible) the first priority for them would have been to bleed the steam off.
It's not a good idea letting superheated steam come into contact with incoming cold water. It tends to explode. So it is normal to bleed it off. They certainly wouldn't run the props once the abandon order came.
Stu
Actually, there are many reports and theories that a second explosion on Britannic took place, the culbrit being such a situation as you described. They could of opened some, or possibly all the dampers, however, that does not mean entirely the vessel would lose ability to have her props spinning.
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I used to have this game. MAN it was fun. But the lack of people walking around on the ship made it feel very lonely . . .
I know! They could have used more people. But, I guess it can be justified by the fact that it was late on a sunday night, so there may not have been very many people out roaming the halls and various rooms. They did put quite a few people in the first class smoking room, though.
Also, the lack of people quite frankly made it kinda scary in some areas. Like in the D-deck reception. The way it was a bit dark, with no people around, and that music...
And especially going down into the turkish baths, squash court, and the 2nd class staircase.
But if that's what they were aiming for, they came through.
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I know! They could have used more people. But, I guess it can be justified by the fact that it was late on a sunday night, so there may not have been very many people out roaming the halls and various rooms. They did put quite a few people in the first class smoking room, though.
Also, the lack of people quite frankly made it kinda scary in some areas. Like in the D-deck reception. The way it was a bit dark, with no people around, and that music...
And especially going down into the turkish baths, squash court, and the 2nd class staircase.
But if that's what they were aiming for, they came through.
Yeah, the lower decks sent chills . . . Scary ones . . .