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English forum => Small talk => Topic started by: Bottman on May 01, 2012, 12:33:47
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There are serious plans to built a new "Titanic", which should be a modern and ultra-luxury replica of the original one. An Australian billionaire negotiats with the Chinese shipyard Jinling for a delivery in 2016 with a mayden voyage on the original route and further cruises in the Northern Hemisphere. So, let's wait until 2016 for a re-launch of our ShipSim-"Titanic"! ;)
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Here is Saltydog's link to the message, find in "Chat-Lounge" "What's new":
http://www.smh.com.au/business/clive-palmer-plans-to-build-titanic-ii-20120430-1xtrc.html (http://www.smh.com.au/business/clive-palmer-plans-to-build-titanic-ii-20120430-1xtrc.html)
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And here is my opinion, i have this copy from "Chat-Lounge", "Whats new" too:
Ähm, do the world need a Titanic II. I think no, i dont know if i stand alone with my point of view. The Titanic was a historical disaster. We dont need a man, who use the name and the sad Fame of the Titanic to use it for commercial success. We dont need a Chinese Shipyard to create the Titanic II. The Chinese are the Master of the Universe in product spionage and copy. At last the risk is too high, that the chinese Imperium copy the Iceberg and the Titanic II crached in it.
I mean, the historic has one Titanic. That was enough.
Let the Lady and their victims rest in peace.
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Personly I think this is gonna be a folly
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well i think Titanic II is a great idea... as long as it wasn't so similar to the origional.
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I lol'd at the bit where they mentioned that the chinese navy are going to escort her on her maiden voyage. There is no way the chinese could maintain a escort like that, there navy is designed for short range close-to-shore combat, not round the world cruising. Add to that the fact that the american navy is probobly going to end up escorting the chinese who are escorting the titanic two....
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I ask me, why need the Titanic II an escort from the navy for the journey? Will be, that the quality of this chinese ship is so bad? Its better to have an escort? Next newsletter in 2015: Captain Schettino is the new Commander of the Titanic II.
Noone of the other Cruiseliner need an escort.
Ahh, i know, they have no trust in that what they build. !:) -this is copy from Chat-Lounge-
What a show, only for commercial success. At last they built the HMS Hood II, Bismarck II, U47 II for the Seapatrol, create a Red Baron II for Airpatrol, for rich person who will be seasick on a ship, they builds the LZ129 Hindenburg II and so an. :doh:
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Titanic II Failbook (http://www.facebook.com/BlueStarLine)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_II)
This Australian man is for me a "Knockbuster" producer. :evil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knockbuster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knockbuster)
Better, he's stroking kangaroos. :evil: :evil:
(http://www.goldcoast.com.au/images/uploadedfiles/editorial/pictures/2012/04/30/palmers-titanic-II-010512.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/30/article-2137187-12D7E7DE000005DC-41_634x644.jpg)
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Titanic II Failbook (http://www.facebook.com/BlueStarLine)
How did TFM find the Blue star line failbook? is there something Mr TFM isn't telling us? :doh:
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How did TFM find the Blue star line failbook? is there something Mr TFM isn't telling us? :doh:
*Cough posted on BFE :doh: *Cough
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[exaggerated] Wow... Is everything made in China these days? :-\
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[exaggerated] Wow... Is everything made in China these days? :-\
*finds tag sewn to the back of my neck*
"hm. 'Rbsanford; made in China. 100% carbon'" :doh:
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[exaggerated] Wow... Is everything made in China these days? :-\
It's much more economical to let products be built in China rather than in other countries. :)
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:)
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Where's the 'Like' button when you need it. :P
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Where's the 'Like' button when you need it. :P
Dislike? ??? It's much more economical to let products be built in China rather than in other countries. :)
It's less money for us, Americans.. We're losing jobs!
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_52yZSj-hdVg/TJcr3Sg8H7I/AAAAAAAAAMM/3CfN47fw1j8/s1600/28408_101501548868China%2BVS%2BUS%2Bcurrency%2Bjoke.jpg)
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And here is my opinion, i have this copy from "Chat-Lounge", "Whats new" too:
Ähm, do the world need a Titanic II. I think no, i dont know if i stand alone with my point of view. The Titanic was a historical disaster. We dont need a man, who use the name and the sad Fame of the Titanic to use it for commercial success. We dont need a Chinese Shipyard to create the Titanic II. The Chinese are the Master of the Universe in product spionage and copy. At last the risk is too high, that the chinese Imperium copy the Iceberg and the Titanic II crached in it.
I mean, the historic has one Titanic. That was enough.
Let the Lady and their victims rest in peace.
I'd want to see how will it look like.but,I will have to know if the first voyage was sucessful.
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Some news - or just new rumors? ::)
http://maritime-connector.com/news/general/blue-star-line-building-titanic-ii-maiden-voyage-to-new-york-scheduled-for-2016/
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It gets better..
http://publ.com/mNahlZu
Hm, I think they should leave that word 'legend' out of the site title. :-\
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One thing I don't get about Titanic II is that the modern lifeboats are on D-deck instead of the boat deck, where instead there are obsolete 1910's era lifeboats. And it's kind of odd how they have a faux rudder. Will it actually move during steering, giving it an aesthetic quality?
Nonetheless, it's exciting and amazing to see ol' Titanic restored, but in a way it sounds wrong. History seems to repeat itself so... as the G-Man would say, "Prepare for unforseen consequences." Just my two cents.
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One thing I don't get about Titanic II is that the modern lifeboats are on D-deck instead of the boat deck, where instead there are obsolete 1910's era lifeboats. And it's kind of odd how they have a faux rudder. Will it actually move during steering, giving it an aesthetic quality?
Let's not forget SOLAS! Any ship, even the Titanic can be built as long it meets the SOLAS regulations. I think the old-school lifeboats are just props on that deck for the realism. I also saw in that site that this Titanic II is a bit higher than the original, so I guess the actual lifeboats are placed lower because they'd else be placed too high.
As for the rudder, that would also be just for the look of it.
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Part of me wishes that this ship won't include wi-fi, cell service, televisions, etc. so that people can see what voyages were like before the electronic revolution. Of course, the bridge would include sonar and electronic controls and electronics would have to be used in the on-board hospital for safety reasons, but as long as for passengers the only electricity will be from the lights.
And in the brochure it appears that passengers wear period clothing, so that's interesting. I wonder how that will work out. And what about the class system? It's evidently not used anymore, and I'm sure nobody wants to stay in the cramped, communal quarters of third class, so will they alter it so it's more like the cozier, more comfortable, second class?
By the way, the pictures (albeit the fact that they're computer generated) look fantastic! Reminds me of the classic game that I just forgot the name of! :doh:
But I could talk for pages about Titanic II, it's just so exciting that there will be an Olympic Class ocean liner (or at least a parody of one) in service! ;D
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Part of me wishes that this ship won't include wi-fi, cell service, televisions, etc. so that people can see what voyages were like before the electronic revolution. Of course, the bridge would include sonar and electronic controls and electronics would have to be used in the on-board hospital for safety reasons, but as long as for passengers the only electricity will be from the lights.
That's gonna be hard nowadays I think (altough I totally agree) Everywhere you go, you see a similar situation like this:
(http://imghumour.com/assets/Uploads/Whats-the-point-of-being-afraid-of-the-zombie-apocalypse.jpg)
I know people who already start sweating if they can't check Facebook for more than 10 minutes, let alone a whole voyage :doh:
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I know people who already start sweating if they can't check Facebook for more than 10 minutes, let alone a whole voyage :doh:
Ugh, tell me about it in a cinema in Rotterdam... People checking facebook every few minutes... ::)
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Ugh, tell me about it in a cinema in Rotterdam... People checking facebook every few minutes... ::)
Not to get too much off topic but I'm so glad I'm not the only one being annoyed about it.
Those fools always have their display brightness on +9000% You can't even see the movie because of that construction light interrupting your sight!
(http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m104/mrr_03/people.jpg)
But let's not get too much off topic ;)
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You're right. Let's get back to the vexation of Titanic II actually being built. ::)
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being myself I dislike being away from Facebook as im scared someone has posted something bag or message me with something importaint.
but it would be nice to get away from today and littulary go back in time.
and the backlight thing - I have destroyed a phone by accident for having too much brightness
BUT you will not even see me DEAD in those types of clothes.
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BUT you will not even see me DEAD in those types of clothes.
Oh come on, it can't be that bad. At least it's not renaissance period clothing. :doh:
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I think I would like wearing in style 8)
But that's probably because I like suits, hats and stuff
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Steve Hall is on the Titanic II project, so I have full faith as far as research goes.
I'm going to try to keep myself from getting too excited for it until they lay the keel, though. The thought does arise that I want to visit England one of these years, and this might just be the perfect way to do it! Finally my obsession would see a payoff, when I know what the best rooms on the ship are! ;D
... So they have a virtual model of the design. How about simplifying the model some and getting it into Ship Simulator for a GreenPeace-esque deal? ;)
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Good idea. It would fit into SSE's modern theme.
And will she be powered by coal and reciprocating engines? Because that would be awesome! ;D
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So they have a virtual model of the design. How about simplifying the model some and getting it into Ship Simulator for a GreenPeace-esque deal? ;)
Good luck.
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And will she be powered by coal and reciprocating engines? Because that would be awesome! ;D
Nope! They've stated that she'll be powered by diesel-electric engines instead! Don't worry, though, from what I'm reading, the output will be very similar to the original ship.
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Wikipedia tells us that propulsion will be diesel-electric, by one fixed propeller and two azimuth thrusters.. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_II
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Wikipedia tells us that propulsion will be diesel-electric, by one fixed propeller and two azimuth thrusters.. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_II
But the 3D model on the official site shows 3 azimuth thrusters :)
http://titanic-ii.com/
It's not too common to have a ship with an odd number of azipods, I don't think :P
Speaking of the official website, the bridge further convinces me that the Titanic II could fit into ShipSim quite nicely/interestingly:
(http://titanic-ii.com/sites/default/files/gallery/Bridge_Wheel_House.jpg)
(The site states that the wheel and telegraphs in the navigation bridge will not be able to be used to operate the ship)
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seems like one of the first renders were done in Kerkythea ::)
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and sorry to add to this, but i am not going to like this ship if it states that classes cannot 'mingle'
Meaning people who bought tickets for a third class cannot see anything happening on the 1st class which i found stupid when we know today that there is a thing called equality and of course the passengers would love to see the entire ship if not most of it atleast.
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I'm not totally adverse to the idea of keeping the classes seperate. After all, booking a trip on the Titanic II will be like stepping into a time machine, which may be what people expect. Passengers will even be required to dress in the same clothes of the time (which well be provided to them). There may however be a possibilty for passengers to view the ship.. :)
"Although the classes on Titanic II will be kept largely separate, Palmer said he was considering offering ticket packages that would allow passengers to experience all three classes during a typical six-day Atlantic crossing.
Prices for the tickets will be announced later."
http://afr.com/p/national/not_too_superstitious_palmer_unwraps_PIVWRnHDpx96P0pOZnDjvJ
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According to the Our Partners page of the Blue Star Line website, it appears that the naval engineering and 3D renders have been done by the same company that did those tasks for the Oasis of the Seas!
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so there going to use side-launching --- is that the most dangourous one as there a risk that the ship could acctually capsize or hit the bottom as not enough dept? ::)
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Side launching is better for the ship structurally, since during a slip launch, the stern will float in the water while the bow is still on the slipway, leaving the middle of the ship unsupported.
I think people aren't really getting the point of this ship. It's the whole Vietnam effect (more people know it as a war than a place). Titanic was a truly luxurious ship, and a fine example of ships of that era. Why not recreate it?
Modern cruise ships are floating hotels, which doesn't really appeal to everyone. This will cater for people who do prefer old liners, and there's definitely enough people who meet that criteria to fill all the berths on the T2 for the forseeable future, so I don't think it'll be a commercial failure.
Titanic is a ship, not a disaster!
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Well said, McGherkin!
On the topic of side launching, I believe the shipyard that will be building Titanic II has previously won a record for the heaviest side-launched ship in the world, so they seem like they'll know what they're doing, even though Titanic II will be even bigger!
That said, even in terms of side launching huge ships, the Jinling Shipyard will still need to overhaul its construction resources in order to fit Titanic II. More than 100 years later and Titanic is still requiring shipbuilding companies to expand their facilities ;D
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Side launching is better for the ship structurally, since during a slip launch, the stern will float in the water while the bow is still on the slipway, leaving the middle of the ship unsupported.
I think people aren't really getting the point of this ship. It's the whole Vietnam effect (more people know it as a war than a place). Titanic was a truly luxurious ship, and a fine example of ships of that era. Why not recreate it?
Modern cruise ships are floating hotels, which doesn't really appeal to everyone. This will cater for people who do prefer old liners, and there's definitely enough people who meet that criteria to fill all the berths on the T2 for the forseeable future, so I don't think it'll be a commercial failure.
Titanic is a ship, not a disaster!
Exactly! If this forum had "like" buttons for each post, I would "like" this.
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I'm not totally adverse to the idea of keeping the classes seperate. After all, booking a trip on the Titanic II will be like stepping into a time machine, which may be what people expect. Passengers will even be required to dress in the same clothes of the time (which well be provided to them). There may however be a possibilty for passengers to view the ship.. :)
"Although the classes on Titanic II will be kept largely separate, Palmer said he was considering offering ticket packages that would allow passengers to experience all three classes during a typical six-day Atlantic crossing.
Prices for the tickets will be announced later."
http://afr.com/p/national/not_too_superstitious_palmer_unwraps_PIVWRnHDpx96P0pOZnDjvJ
Still i would atleast on the first day atleast get to see the entire ship before going to my class and putting on the directed clothes.
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The renders are actually quite impressive I think. Altough I have mixed feelings about the whole new look. It kind of feels just fake as most of it is just for show. Like looking at a film studio. It looks great from one side, but looking at the back it's all a soundstage. But on the other hand, they obviously have no choice but modifying the ship's original design because of efficiency and safety reasons.
About the render of the bridge.
It looks pretty state of the art, like Titanic was back in it's day, but please, with Titanic's best researchers on the team, get those storm shields below the outer windows actually matching the size :doh: (those wooden boards with a hole in the middle)
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Another possibility for launching might be the use of air-bags. The Chinese have some experience with this.. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZJzWUxPqUM
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Maybe flat bed ships might be suitable for that method, maybe the Titanic's curved hull wouldn't suit that.
Besides, most people think the Chinese people have NO experience and are just a bunch of people that have no idea how to do anything. made in China. (<<no i personally disagree with this but a common example)
All this hate and conflict against the Titanic II will decrease maybe in 2016 when it does reach the shores of New York, but we will need some patients till then.
My final conclusion just is: Its their money, they can make use it for their own sake, even if others demand something, the money is in their hands so in a way they are the ones who decide what they should do with their money.
Some rich men buy yachts, open an airline, build an island. But some may also want to start a historical ocean company.
As far as i know, i like this idea, whatever people say.
Ok, back to the renders, Question: Can the captain view the ship you think, with that old bridge in front of it?
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The windows are larger than the original ship in most of the bridge to ensure better visibility, and there's a door both forward into the old bridge and sideways into the wing cabs to ensure visibility.
And I personally really like how they combined the Titanic's original design with modern amenities and requirements, such as how they gave the ship a helipad without interrupting her rigging!
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But why do they even have the old bridge in the first place? It's not like passengers will be going there (except on tours maybe) and it interrupts the view in the modern bridge.
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But why do they even have the old bridge in the first place? It's not like passengers will be going there (except on tours maybe) and it interrupts the view in the modern bridge.
They may very well offer tours of the bridge. What's more, what else are they going to put in that space? A recreation of the traditional controls seems like an excellent space filler!
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why? at sea they cannot walk in front of the acctual bridge and infact it could cause too much interference between the bridge and the window. there is also more chance for condensation.
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Well, at any rate, one thing is absolutely certain:
If this ship sees the light of day, she will forever change the way that Titanic documentaries are filmed! :doh:
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Not to mention movies in general. Cameron will probably make Titanic II! (shudder)
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Jason, the modeler for VSTEP's Titanic model in the past Ship Simulator games, made a comment on the Titanic Research and Modelling Association's topic about the Titanic II (without any reference to Ship Simulator where his signature would otherwise be, which is notable because he used to include "Ship Simulator" after his name at the end of his posts).
I like it. I hope they don't screen off the new lifeboat area because I think it's the most obvious feature distinguishings it as a modern liner - which is what it is. I think they've done an excellent job in simulating sheer, and also on the bow. Good that it's wider too - also distinguishing.
The only thing that I don't like are the observation windows in the funnels, simply because they stand out too much. The could have put them in the black part of the funnel where they wouldn't be too obvious.
If they build this, I'd love to see it and travel on it - but not first class. I'd be be happy for second or third, although I'm sure when it's not cruising that it will be open for guided tours of all the ship.
What a brave and remarkable business idea this is. How can it not be success?
Similar sentiments in favor of the ship's design have been given from several different TRMA trustees and members, including some who have had their opinions changed for the better!
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Not to mention movies in general. Cameron will probably make Titanic II! (shudder)
a cheaper version exists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_II_%28film%29
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These plans have had modifications since they were drafted, but here are the publicly released preliminary GA plans for Titanic II:
http://media.news.com.au/fe/2012/07/titanic2plans/doc/titanic-ii-plans.pdf
Changes made since then include replacing the two azimuth thruster/one propeller and rudder combination with three azimuth thrusters and a fake rudder that stops at the waterline. Presumably, the questions left on those plans have also since been answered :P
Still, it shows some insight into how Deltamarin went about the design.
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Yes, this newer design is a bit better then before. And it says something about allowing passenger's cars onboard! And harbor tours in lifeboats!
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And harbor tours in lifeboats!
Not just any lifeboats, but the replicated historical ones! That seems to indicate that the replica lifeboats might be fully functional on the final ship, which, in a way, increases Titanic II's lifeboat capacity in dire emergencies to at least 5,704 people! (There are 18 modern lifeboats at 250 people each, plus the 1,148 personnel capacity of the replicated lifeboats, and assuming that the two rescue boats and eight inflatable life rafts shown in a line drawing of the ship hold as little as four and six people each)
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The thing that I most dread about Titanic II is the eventual media coverage of her voyages. You KNOW that if there's so much as a 10-second delay in giving a command on any of her trips because a crew member needed to have an order clarified, every news source on the Internet and in print will have "Titanic II Almost Sinks!" emblazoned on their front pages in as big of a font as humanly possible!
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The thing that I most dread about Titanic II is the eventual media coverage of her voyages. You KNOW that if there's so much as a 10-second delay in giving a command on any of her trips because a crew member needed to have an order clarified, every news source on the Internet and in print will have "Titanic II Almost Sinks!" emblazoned on their front pages in as big of a font as humanly possible!
I don't think they can (or will) do it. I think after solas it needs to happen instantly. Even if they could I don't think they risk it! Last thing they want is to be in the papers for the ship being damaged because of that 10 second delay and it could put lives at risk
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I don't think they can (or will) do it. I think after solas it needs to happen instantly. Even if they could I don't think they risk it! Last thing they want is to be in the papers for the ship being damaged because of that 10 second delay and it could put lives at risk
I'm not even talking about putting lives at risk or taking damage. I'm talking about an officer accidentally mumbling an order and repeating himself for a 10-second delay that doesn't affect the ship in the slightest! That would be enough for papers to start claiming that the ship almost sank ::)
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Tell me.. have you ever visited the planet Earth? :P
;D
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Tell me.. have you ever visited the planet Earth? :P
;D
Or the bridge of a ship whilst she's under way, for that matter :doh:
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Still, I hope my original point is coming through, that most news agencies have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to... anything, really! ;D
For reference, Fox News is the only major news agency I could find to consistently refer to Titanic II as an ocean liner instead of a cruise ship or cruise liner! The only time they used either of the other terms was in a direct quote from elsewhere.
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Well at least we can always rely on good old Fox News to get all the fact straight... errrmm.. ::)
Question is though, does the general population really care what they call the big boat on the news? ;D
There's no question she'd be a liner, if she travels across an ocean from port to port, but is it going to be more a necessary mode of transport for the passengers? Or more like a vacation and a 'Titanic experience'? Cause in that case, I guess you CAN call the new Titanic a cruise liner too, could you not? Part transportation, part entertainment. :)
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In this day and age, 6 days at sea might qualify as a vacation, but the ship acts as transport. Even then, too, that would only be the defense for the "cruise liner" name instead of the more frequent "cruise ship."
Considering, too, that the Titanic II is built with a V-shaped hull, particularly in the front, she really isn't designed to do what cruise ships are designed to do, and vice versa.
Really, it's like calling a coyote a wolf: sure, they're similar in multiple regards, and even mistakable to those who aren't well versed in the field, and the mistake might even be excusable in some circumstances, but it's still inaccurate nomenclature and can get on plenty of people's nerves :doh:
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Considering, too, that the Titanic II is built with a V-shaped hull, particularly in the front, she really isn't designed to do what cruise ships are designed to do, and vice versa.
Actually if you want to get accurate about things, you should consider a vessel's deployment, and not their hull shape, to determine what a ship is. Do you see them building many ships with such an old type of hull these days, still? nope.. you know why? Less effective.
Titanic can hardly have a different design of course, so she will inherit the characteristics that made ocean liners of old unsuitable for cruise work (higher fuel cost, more enclosed decks, deeper draught, smaller cabins for more passengers etc).. but if they would put her on a cruise route from port back to the same port anyway, she'd still immediately be a cruise ship and not a liner anymore... and if they sail her across an ocean from port A to port B, then she's a liner. Even container ships are liners if they sail regularly on shipping routes between ports across an ocean.. A ship does not need passengers to qualify as one. And they have hulls more similar to a cruise ship nowadays than an ocean liner of 100 years ago, I'd say.. so is a container ship then NOT a liner because of it? :P
Today, the line between ocean liners and cruise ships has become very close together and even one of the last of de dedicated ocean liners, QM2, was deployed for cruise work a lot too and well equipped for it. Of course the old design of the Titanic will make her unsuitable for that in some ways, although things like fuel consumption are not as big a problem anymore with betteer technology, but draught, enclosed decks (shallow ports, tropical heat) and such, still apply.
But it doesn't mean it couldn't be done. It's just a matter of 'where do we sail and what do we do while we're going there?'. Most ships built today are much closer apart, and deployment, not design, is what usually determines their 'job description'. And many cruise ships nowadays sail such great distances and between several ports, regularly, that they can be considered liners I guess.
The way I see it... it's the differene between transportation and tourism, although they do mix.
Fred.
p.s. on whose people's nerves? I think you're the only one here to be honest. ;D
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p.s. on whose people's nerves? I think you're the only one here to be honest. ;D
I might be the only one here to get annoyed by that, but in terms of outside this forum, it seems that, for example, the owners of the SS United States also don't like having their floating wreck get called a "cruise ship"!
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Ah okay, I thought when you said 'plenty of people', you actually meant a lot of them. ;D
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I might be the only one here to get annoyed by that, but in terms of outside this forum, it seems that, for example, the owners of the SS United States also don't like having their floating wreck get called a "cruise ship"!
I'm pretty sure they won't like someone calling their pride and joy a floating wreck either ::)
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Which is pretty much what she is now. The future looks bleak for the SS United States..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/25/ss-united-states_n_2948010.html
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My attitude towards the SS United States has, truthfully, grown rather bitter ever since the descendant of her designer called Titanic II, essentially, a waste of resources. The way I see it, at least Clive Palmer is actually funding an ocean liner! The most optimistic outlook for the SS United States has her becoming a stationary hotel. I understand museum ships, but I would still heavily prefer something at least similar to what the USS Constitution has, where they take the ship out once in a while, even if just to turn her around! Heck, use tugs if she's not legally permitted to move under her own power!
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It actually surprises me that some media can distinguish an Ocean liner between a cruise ship...
I hate it when they call Titanic a cruise ship. Like if people back in 1912 planned a vacation on board. Immigrants? what's that? Those are in casino's right?
Or worse, Discovery Channel calls the QM2 a Cruiseboat. That's like calling a river ferry an OceanLiner.
It's only a shame that Clive Palmer constantly refers to the James Cameron movie. To Jack and Rose and their romance. So often in fact that I doubt if he actually knows that story is a fiction and the ship actually existed but without them. If you're gonna build the ship, you build it because you appreciate the ship and it's era. Not because Romeo and Juliet went fictionally on board.
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It actually surprises me that some media can distinguish an Ocean liner between a cruise ship...
I hate it when they call Titanic a cruise ship. Like if people back in 1912 planned a vacation on board. Immigrants? what's that? Those are in casino's right?
Or worse, Discovery Channel calls the QM2 a Cruiseboat. That's like calling a river ferry an OceanLiner.
It's only a shame that Clive Palmer constantly refers to the James Cameron movie. To Jack and Rose and their romance. So often in fact that I doubt if he actually knows that story is a fiction and the ship actually existed but without them. If you're gonna build the ship, you build it because you appreciate the ship and it's era. Not because Romeo and Juliet went fictionally on board.
It seems like he prefers the Titanic film theme, over the original actual theme which had quite a few differences compared to the film itself.
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Clive Palmer referencing the 1997 movie I have no problem with: firstly, that film was, for what it's worth, how he first familiarized with the ship after some of his Chinese associates mentioned it at a dinner, and secondly (and much more importantly), he hired Steve Hall, with many people calling Steve Hall the #2 man on the project. Hired onto the project soon after was David Klistoner as an interior expert, and Art Braunschweiger attended the New York gala. Those three men are responsible for everything I know about the Titanic's layout and design, and the same goes for you, MrRobville, and those three men also acted as research consultants for Jason DeDonno when he modeled Titanic for Ship Simulator!
With those men doing the actual designing for the vessel alongside Deltamarin engineering it, Clive Palmer can refer to the ship in any way he likes as long as he's funding it, and still be completely fine by me! ;D
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I know. These people have most knowledge about the ship than anybody else, and I'm confident the design does justice as best as it can. But I meant regarding CP's speeches, it seems that he forgets the magnificence of the ship herself.
Almost all of my research for the Titanic mod comes from their material.
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Luckily, Professor Palmer is just funding it, though he also at least understands that what he's doing is giving the ship a second chance at her goal. As for design, Steve Hall has stated that both Deltamarin and the CSC Jinling shipyard have been provided with copies of Titanic: The Ship Magnificent.
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My attitude towards the SS United States has, truthfully, grown rather bitter ever since the descendant of her designer called Titanic II, essentially, a waste of resources.
So.. to recap.. because a descendant of a designer of one old ship, calls the building of a mere replica of another old ship a waste of resources, you hold that against the former ship itself, a ship that has a history that could and should be appreciated and maybe respected much more than the mere word of some designer's offspring, and that is in no way, shape or form - or ever has been - directly influenced by or connected to the opinions of said person and as such makes for a totally nonsensical reason to dislike a ship? Or did the ship make him say that? If that's true, then fair enough!
But you know, this must be the weirdest Titanic fanboy remark you've yet made on this forum. That's so far fetched in it's logic, that I now officially declare you the 'Titanic Fanboy of the Year - 2013'. ;) :lol:
(And yes, I know it's only April, but I dont know of anyone who would top this.)
;D
Fred.
p.s. Fusajiro Yamauchi's grandson told me that he thinks Playstations are rubbish.. So I'm gonna chuck my Nintendo out the window now I think.. :doh:
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She's not just a descendant of the designer, but she also runs the conservancy effort or something.
I would love to see the SS United States return to her former glory, but the conservancy would rather turn her into a hotel than, heaven forbid, let her figuratively stretch her legs again. Personally, given the choice between a replica working as a ship and a ship working as a hotel, I'll choose the one that's going to do what it was originally designed for!
I'm such a freak that I consider ships to be very nearly living things (if lifeboats could be built up into full ships, I would count them as organisms), so to me a ship working as a hotel to save it from the scrap yard seems to be the ship equivalent of keeping someone on their death bed in a coma for the rest of their days, possibly in pain all the while: it's very noble to try to keep them alive, but what you are doing to them is probably not how they want to be remembered by when they eventually go.
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I am reminded of the SS Rotterdam, now a hotel ship (amongst other)
With the help of a Dutch housing corporation she was preserved.
I don't see that happening with the SS United States..
http://www.ssrotterdam.nl/uk/
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I guess what it boils down to is that I don't like the idea of "permanent mooring". I much prefer the USS Constitution's type of arrangement, which includes the occasional turn-around trip! Heck, I'm even fine with how they're treating the USS Missouri, seeing as they recently towed her to a dry dock to clean her below the waterline, thus letting the ship move!
100% ideally, I would love for more antique ships to have an arrangement like the one that's actually been said to be the case for Titanic II, even though in her case it's for a modified replica: the ship makes voyages and even does her original job, and when she's not, she's docked at various ports acting as a museum ships between trips. I know it's not legal for most of these ships to do that without modification (though apparently some ships can get exceptions on certain regulations for whatever reason, such as Queen Mary 2's lifeboat height), but like I said, that would be an ideal scenario in my eyes. :)
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The Titanic 2 won't be doing "its" original job - The Irish stopped emigrating to the US a looooonnnggg time ago!
I'd much rather they Permanently moored a national treasure, instead of ramming said treasure up a beach in some far flung country. I also think that Mr palmer doesn't actually want to "bring the titanic dream back to life" for any other purpose than to make money - Why else would you invest money into something if you weren't going to get a handsome return?
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Danny is quite right.. T2 will never do what T1 did, and despite 'kind of' getting a feel of her if you'd be on her, you can never relive the past, there are just too many things so very different, it won't ever replicate the real Titanic or what it really was like on board.
They're cashing in on the fame of the first one, and in the end they will cater more to the masses that want to 'live the movie', than to people that are actually very knowledgable about the ship and her demise. Cause the latter group is very small, and will not bring in enough money. But everyone's seen the movie, so many things that they will do to get the dollars rolling in will make the hairs of you Titanic buffs stand up straigh, I have no doubt about it.
I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but it's just what is going to happen, logically. They will all want to go to the bow and have their arms outstretched moment.. etc.. and they'll let them do it too, I bet. In reality no passenger was allowed there.. It will be the movie afloat, and nothing like the real deal... they'll give tours of the boiler room, whatever you can think of.. all sorts of things that in reality would never have happened.. I'm sure you can think of dozens of examples. Although very nice, it's not being on the Titanic, it's just roleplaying on a large replicated floating movie set. ;D
Apart from that politics also come into play too but let's not even go there.. but a real 'hommage to the past', it is not, and will never be. That's not what the money is being invested for.. It's all just about making more money and they can get way more money if they make this a 'Titanic, the Experience' type vacation voyage, than if they will put this ship into a replicated line service just to shuttle people across the pond as they once had.
She might look the same, but the past is the past, you can never get that back, and no one is actually going to pay the kind of prices they will no doubt charge, if everything on board is as it was back then, anyway.. for most passengers, it's wasn't very luxurious or enjoyable at all, only for the upper echelons of society. In the end it's all about the mighty dollar, it's nothing to do with reliving the past and honoring a legendary ship. That outlook on things is only true for a very small and niche group of people with an extraordinary interest in this ship, the rest of the tourists have no clue other than having seen the movie and the odd discovery channel documentary. And they just want to be like Jack and Rose. :P
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In terms of only doing it for a profit, that's not necessarily the case: Clive Palmer has stated that at his age and with his wealth, he no longer cares if he gains money on his investment (and really, if you want to cash in on the movie, there's cheaper ways than funding the engineering and construction of a 400 million dollar ship), though it looks like he will despite the comparative niche market of travel by ship, especially since Deck S (Safety Deck) will include a casino (which people will only be allowed in if they can afford to lose money) and shopping area. That's not to say that he's doing it solely for the sake of the ship, either, though: he's doing this to essentially pay back China the favor of making him rich by attempting to let the nation become a serious contender in the passenger shipbuilding market, instead of just the cargo shipbuilding industry.
As for cashing in on the 1997 movie with the general public more than the historical ship, of course that will be the case! That was also (whether inadvertently or not) the case with Titanic in Ship Simulator 2006 and 2008! With Titanic II, they've even made the ship an additional 3 inches longer because of a camera at the bow to give people a photo opportunity standing at the very front of the ship. That said, I have the feeling that people will likely at least need the captain's permission to use it at sea (it would be incredibly dangerous if they kept it open in all weather conditions), if they let people use it at sea at all instead of making it a stop on the ship's museum tour when it's docked.
So no, you're not raining on my parade, though there's a few corrections that were in order ;)
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It's indeed always about the money. If it wasn't it was alien. I have never ever witnessed such large projects out of good will here on Earth. CP himself said the main purpose of T2 was to set a better connection between Australia and China, and to put them on the cruise market as well. Although he's just the guy financing it, he came up with the plan. Now does he look like he knows much about the history itself? Not remotely. He just knows Jack and Rose and that's it.
Unfortunately for many, you are not allowed on the forecastle deck during ocean voyages. This was a safety rule that was even applied to T1 herself as well. And making a nice "oh-so-original-I'm-flying" photo would be a dumb excuse of dropping that rule. We shall see... see when it drops.... and see when the first person gets smashed overboard...
CP played it smart cashing in on the success of a great name. Ask around, who doesn't know Titanic?
And from those who know around the world about the ship mostly only know it from James Cameron. Which is the big public. Heck, there are people who don't even know the ship actually existed.
The casino and spa are just a must for the large public to attract them as well. One 5X10M pool ain't gonna cut it anymore.
And the Safety deck is a SOLAS requirement.
But like Fred said, it indeed feels like a huge movie set. The funnels are fake, the masts, the original lifeboats, the exterior ventilation equipment, the whole stern with rudder. :doh:
And these are necessary measures of course, but still.. They want to recreate the past which just cannot be done.
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So no, you're not raining on my parade, though there's a few corrections that were in order ;)
No there weren't, everything I posted - minus maybe the possibility of recreating the forecastle scene, is factual. :P
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Regarding what MrRobville said, yes, Clive Palmer has almost zero historical knowledge of the ship, but that's why he hired the likes Steve Hall and Daniel Klistoner to handle the research aspects instead of him ;D It seems that
Mr. Prof. ::) Palmer mainly had his desires voiced in Deck S and probably the bow camera concept.
Also, that single small pool, from what I've seen on the preliminary GA and CGI plans, will indeed be the only one on the ship, with the Turkish bath largely standing in for a spa. What I've found really interesting is that, especially on the boat deck through D deck, the only changes they've made to the passenger-accessible areas are all found on, or all involve S Deck, with the exception of the observation areas in the forward two funnels, which I've heard they were discussing the possibility of removing if it detracts too much from the appearance of the ship. Other than those two things, it seems that they're keeping all of the other passenger areas as close to the original as modern safety standards allow (including using a more fire-resistant stand-in for wood but keeping the same carved look to it, and giving the ship air conditioning). Something I've noticed is that the lifts have open grates, and I've heard they will have attendants that operate them for passengers!
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but but but... yes.. that changes everything!! I'm so stoked now about this project! ;D
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but but but... yes.. that changes everything!! I'm so stoked now about this project! ;D
I punctuated that with an exclamation point because given the nature of people's common sense these days (just watch the text at the bottom of the screen of most car commercials), I'm surprised that they trust people to not get their fingers sliced off between the grate and the elevator :doh:
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;D
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Back on the subject at hand (Titanic II hype), some of the lyrics to a song that was commissioned to be written about Titanic II go as follows: "From Shanghai to Liverpool, Southampton and on to New York". I never thought to take the words as literally as I am right now, but I wonder if that's to say that the ship will make a stop in Liverpool after her construction is finished in order to register her there?
In other, more relevant news, apparently CSC Jinling started cutting metal for the ship in late February, and is currently starting construction, while Deltamarin is making a few modifications to the design in response to feedback they received during the New York gala.
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Well at least we can always rely on good old Fox News to get all the fact straight... errrmm.. ::)
Question is though, does the general population really care what they call the big boat on the news? ;D
There's no question she'd be a liner, if she travels across an ocean from port to port, but is it going to be more a necessary mode of transport for the passengers? Or more like a vacation and a 'Titanic experience'? Cause in that case, I guess you CAN call the new Titanic a cruise liner too, could you not? Part transportation, part entertainment. :)
Mad_Fred this may help you :doh:
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4uizwlLzO1qedj2ho1_500.jpg)
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That's why I find that The Onion is the source I trust most for news ;D
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I use bbc but recently I used other sources like the mail, guardian ect as I find when new news comes out, bbc is realy slow
But I trust bbc the most
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For those who were looking for confirmation on Deltamarin's website that they're designing the ship, they released a brief blog post here: http://deltamarin.com/articles/blog/deltamarin-designs-titanic-ii/9-24
There should be some Titanic II news before the week is up, according to Steve Hall and the Blue Star Line!
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The Titanic 2 won't be doing "its" original job - The Irish stopped emigrating to the US a looooonnnggg time ago!
They still emigrate to the UK though... ;D
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..only the smart ones.. :evil:
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..only the smart ones.. :evil:
lol, you implying Irishmen are stupid?
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I'm apparently the great grandson of an Irish immigrant whose son kept on throwing rocks at a traffic in New York, breaking each light and its replacement until the city put the "Irish green" over the "British red" for that particular corner. It's still that way today, even though even the traffic lights in Ireland have red on top, so the city is now required to put up signs before the intersection to warn drivers that the traffic light ahead has a green lamp on top and red on bottom.
Thus, the only thing that my Irish grandfather managed to accomplish was turning an intersection into a hazard if there are colorblind drivers around. ::)
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lol, you implying Irishmen are stupid?
Nope I'm pulling Jack's leg. ;D
I'm apparently the great grandson of an Irish immigrant whose son kept on throwing rocks at a traffic in New York, breaking each light and its replacement until the city put the "Irish green" over the "British red" for that particular corner.
Love that story, I only wonder why there's always more Irish Americans that seem to be a descendant of the vandals of Tipperary Hill, than there were actual Irish Immigrants in the USA at that time.. haha. :P
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Love that story, I only wonder why there's always more Irish Americans that seem to be a descendant of the vandals of Tipperary Hill, than there were actual Irish Immigrants in the USA at that time.. haha. :P
What I can't figure out is why they still defend the deed :doh:
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..only the smart ones.. :evil:
Oooooooohhh..... :evil:
Are you Irish Fred? :lol:
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..only the smart ones.. :evil:
expesually with beer going down £0.01 :P
Penny to spend some where else
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Oooooooohhh..... :evil:
Are you Irish Fred? :lol:
Is binn béal ina thost ;D
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Is binn béal ina thost ;D
wow,
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Is binn béal ina thost ;D
Google aistriú oibrÃonn go han-mhaith! :lol:
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Google aistriú oibrÃonn go han-mhaith! :lol:
Amháin más rud é nach féidir leat a léamh i ndáirÃre cad a thagann amach :P
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I never said I used google. ;D
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I never said I used google. ;D
Maybe another translator?
I can think of many,
i guess there is also one in your head, fred?
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Getting back to Titanic II and the matter of the camera in the bow, Clive Palmer said at the London press conference (now available on Youtube) that the camera in the bow will be for when the ship is at port. That is, they will not be allowing people on the forward section of the forecastle when the ship is underway.
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Getting back to Titanic II and the matter of the camera in the bow, Clive Palmer said at the London press conference (now available on Youtube) that the camera in the bow will be for when the ship is at port. That is, they will not be allowing people on the forward section of the forecastle when the ship is underway.
That just ruined a lot of peoples plans.... so much for "I'm the king of the world" re-enactments
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.... so much for "I'm the king of the world" re-enactments
Thank deity! :doh: "I'm king of the world" is so cliched!
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According to a recent tweet from the Titanic II Twitter account, Blue Star Line will be meeting with Deltamarin and CSC Jinling this weekend. I suspect it's related to their tweet a few hours prior that Blue Star Line was "working hard finalising plans for construction to begin." I know that among the changes that have been made to the design is a redesign of the ship's stern to give it a shape more akin to the original (Deltamarin has stated as such).
Also, apparently they are making a documentary around the construction of Titanic II.
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Some things the builders need to change, seriously the bow area has always been one of the most famous places ever,
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only in the movies, mate... :P
at least if you're talking about the jack & rose moment.
Would be really hard to change the law on account of a fictional movie scene. ;)
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only in the movies, mate... :P
at least if you're talking about the jack & rose moment.
Would be really hard to change the law on account of a fictional movie scene. ;)
i was actually talking about the bow itself, not the jack rose moment,
remember those pictures showing titanic underwater, (the picture of the bow)
the jack rose moment was a stupid idea,
wait i'm confused, are you talking about a bow camera being fitted inside the bow so people can track the Titanics path through the eyes of a bow camera
or some stupid camera filming people standing on that rail where jack & rose stood,= if it is this then Fred you completely miss understood my point ;0/
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The bow camera will be mounted on the front of the vessel and face backwards to give people a chance to stand at the bow of the vessel when the ship is in port and acting as a museum. It's just a small way for Blue Star Line to make additional money, and it adds 3 inches onto the overall length of the ship. Personally, I take little issue with this as long as people are prohibited from the bow when the ship is at sea, which it appears will be the case ;D
Another slight modification that has been made to Titanic II since the design shown on the website: They now plan on using what essentially amounts to something akin to a one-way mirror for the observation decks inside the front two funnels, so that people on those decks can look out but those in front of the funnels on deck only see funnels, without windows.
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and it adds 3 inches onto the overall length of the ship. Personally, I take little issue with this
That a refreshing attitude on your behalf compared to disputing every single little speck of difference between Titanic and it's Shipsim counterpart in the past. ;) :lol:
But those 3 inches, seriously speaking, are peanuts compared to some of the changes in design that alter her beam, her bow line, and more of such iconic shapes. Surely you'll also agree that it won't be a proper replica if they keep on changing things like that..
The more I read about it and about the changes compared to the original, the more I realise it's not going to be the Titanic, it's just going to be a floating Titanic theme park. That's a pity though, if I'd ever book a cruise on her, I'd want to feel the essence of 100 years ago, if possible.. to go back in time and experience what life on a luxury liner was really like. Not just be in a theme park where it might look kinda the same, but is actually as realistic as the movie was. :doh:
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I thought that all depends on the idea of 'safety first'
without it the Titanic 2 would be an exact replica of the original ship,
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Don't see why they need to change anything for safety reasons, I mean the original was unsinkable.
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Don't see why they need to change anything for safety reasons, I mean the original was unsinkable.
;D
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I thought that all depends on the idea of 'safety first'
Nah, save money first, safety second. ;D
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Fred, I honestly believe that Titanic II is far safer than she is budget-conscious ;D For example, the front of the ship has slightly more flare, perhaps in part due to the safety deck, but what the added hull height (from the Safety Deck) and additional flare do for Titanic II is make her more capable of slicing through rogue waves. There are also measures being taken to make her less likely to suffer major damage in ship-ship collisions. What's more, from what I can understand of one of Deltamarin's remarks, it sounds like there's a "Watertight deck" within the ship's bowels to further divide up her watertight compartments ;D
So in a way, from these safety features to the highly varied decor of her first class areas, Titanic II is shaping up to be among the safest and most luxurious passenger ships afloat, if not the pinnacle of those ideals. In that way, even though she is not the largest ship in the world, Titanic II DOES capture several qualities of the first. ;)
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Nah, save money first, safety second. ;D
SO: 1) Efficiency first (save lots of money),
2) add a few bits to keep passengers mildly safe,
I have seen that nearly everywhere,
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For example, the front of the ship has slightly more flare, perhaps in part due to the safety deck, but what the added hull height (from the Safety Deck) and additional flare do for Titanic II is make her more capable of slicing through rogue waves.
The flare won't be of much use if you hit a rogue wave, you're still going to end up with half of the wave sitting on the foc'sle until the scuppers get rid of it. Really, if you're slicing through waves you want very little, if any flare.
There are also measures being taken to make her less likely to suffer major damage in ship-ship collisions.
Have they printed "Please don't hit us! We're an ocean liner!" On the side?
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The flare won't be of much use if you hit a rogue wave, you're still going to end up with half of the wave sitting on the foc'sle until the scuppers get rid of it. Really, if you're slicing through waves you want very little, if any flare.
To quote the company's sales director directly, "Rogue waves are carefully considered in the design. We have a good understanding of the North Atlantic wave conditions as we have e.g. all the data collected by QE2 of all her voyages. But first of all the hull of Titanic II will be higher (additional safety deck) and seakeeping characteristics will be carefully studied, simulated and tested. Modern flare will be applied even though the stem will be as per the original design."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS-KZXiV8DQ <- And that's with the QE2's high prow, and flare...
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It looks like the Titanic II has her crewing agency: http://bluestarline.com.au/2013/05/6228/ (http://bluestarline.com.au/2013/05/6228/)
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It looks like the Titanic II has her crewing agency: http://bluestarline.com.au/2013/05/6228/ (http://bluestarline.com.au/2013/05/6228/)
V. Ships leisure will do more than supply crew, they will technically manage the ship as well, so they will ensure that she is operated within budget, they will provide spare parts, organise ports facilities, provide deck and engine crew (and probably hotel crew as well, but that may be done by a specialist hotel management company), basically they will operate the ship in every respect but selling tickets.
Other services such as onboard entertainment, hair and beauty salon and photography are likely to be outsourced to other separate companies.
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Ah, thanks ;D I'm very unfamiliar with the term "ship management services," so I appreciate that clarification :2thumbs:
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Pardon the double post, but there's been an update on this crew business: according to Clive Palmer, there's already been a flood of applications for working aboard the ship, including 8 people willing to be captain, including cruise ship captains and supertanker captains ;D
Interestingly, Professor Palmer also said that Titanic II crew members would be paid a similar wage to other cruise ship crews, but the jobs on Titanic II would come with unique perks (first class 20-course meals, cabin accommodations comparable if not superior to those of the passengers, old fashion takes on jobs such as chef or activities director, etc.).
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(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2782/smileywiththumbsup.gif) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/22/smileywiththumbsup.gif/)
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There's been an update on the Titanic II front: it turns out Lloyd's Register has been appointed to assist with the Titanic II project as well. This company didn't register Titanic, but they made a note of her in their list of ships that year. It looks like Lloyd's Register has a marine office in Liverpool, so there's a pretty good chance that this partnership could mean Titanic II will have Liverpool as her port of registry!
Source: http://bluestarline.com.au/2013/07/6248/ (http://bluestarline.com.au/2013/07/6248/)
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What I don;t get is why they need azipods? ???
A lot of modern cruise ships still use ye olde time propellers... :doh:
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I imagine it's for maneuverability and subsequently, to some degree, safety.
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I imagine it's for maneuverability and subsequently, to some degree, safety.
but, as I said, most modern cruise ships still DON'T have them
Azure (2010) doesn't...
AIDALuna (2009) doesn't...
So why does Titanic 2 have them?
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The Costa Concordia didn't have them.
With azipods she may have been able to avert or minimize the damage..
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I think Titanic II would feel much more authentic with screws (and steam engines!). I've never been on an azipod-powered vessel, but I'm guessing with pods there is less noise and vibration, therefore screws would give a more vintage sailing experience for a remake of a 1912 ocean liner.
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I think Titanic II would feel much more authentic with screws (and steam engines!). I've never been on an azipod-powered vessel, but I'm guessing with pods there is less noise and vibration, therefore screws would give a more vintage sailing experience for a remake of a 1912 ocean liner.
They've redesigned the ship since the website design was relevant: the stern of Titanic II should now much more closely match the original shape, meaning that passengers won't be able to tell the difference unless they know what's under the hood (er, waterline). It should also be noted that Titanic II has 3 azimuth thrusters instead of an even number which is more typical of modern ships.
Also, I am sure that it is to allow the ship to leave harbors on her own, by being able to move sideways without needing cargo tugs.
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i like turtles
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All of P&O's fleet have propelers and stern thrusters but some require tugs for saftey reasons. :doh:
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I don't disagree with him making a cruise but why titanic? Can't he just let everyone who perished rest in peace?
Come up with your own idea you lazy sod!!!!!
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He might be a lot of things, but he's not a lazy sod with all that he's done and achieved, I would at least say.
And since when is the use of a well-known icon to make some money something out of the ordinary, anyway? ::)
Well besides that.. please mind the attitude a wee bit, it's not nice to throw insults around like that. ;)
Fred.
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Im not disagreeing with you Fred its fine to use historic icons but not ones where so many people died. Surely it would be more respective of their peace and their families to make a new cruise boat. if hes a billionaire surely he could make a ship to compete with Oasis of the seas in size and fame, especially since that hasnt sunk.
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Also, I am sure that it is to allow the ship to leave harbors on her own, by being able to move sideways without needing cargo tugs.
Lol, just because it is TITANIC? THE MIGHTY UNSINKABLE TITANIC? Nope, indeed there are safety reasons which is mandatory for any ship depending on the length. I believe there was such a rule for long ships which would visit Rotterdam but I can't find it anywhere right now.
Also, people know you're a big fan of Titanic but please leave your own opinions about it outside reality... ;)
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Im not disagreeing with you Fred its fine to use historic icons but not ones where so many people died. Surely it would be more respective of their peace and their families to make a new cruise boat. if hes a billionaire surely he could make a ship to compete with Oasis of the seas in size and fame, especially since that hasnt sunk.
So many people died? Compared to what? World War One? World War Two? Any other war, Other more costly shipwrecks or disasters? Titanic is by no means a high death toll event compared to the much worse events in our history.
Have you not seen that there's tons of things that we have made into commerce, from anything well-known in the past, everywhere all the time?
War movies, disaster movies making millions at the box office, museums full of things to do with death and suffering in the past, theme parks with rides or attractions based on some such things, heck any idea how many people visit mount rushmore every year and pay lots and lots of money to get into the park, to buy souvenirs.. and that's basically, partially a 'monument' to the destruction of a whole people, the native North Americans, if you really think about it.
Remember, it's not REALLY the titanic that they are building. Now if they would somehow make an underwater-dome theme-park on the seabottom right on the actual wrecksite and thus gravesite, then I would fully agree with you. But this is just a brand-new lookalike boat, not really even connected to the deceased. And their relatives have accepted their demise by now, I can pretty much guarantee you that. After all the papers, books, documentaries, movies and what not over the last hundred years, they won't really be too upset about people taking rides on a floating museum/hotel. ;)
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I still Respect that Fred (and I think it's great we can debate the matter) but I stick by my guns. And about your point of WW2 no one would recreate that or the Concordia so why this?
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I still Respect that Fred (and I think it's great we can debate the matter) but I stick by my guns. And about your point of WW2 no one would recreate that or the Concordia so why this?
Hi Jake i don`t normally get involved in these topics and post every now and then. but i do agree with Mad Fred what he has said. The amount of money made out of WW1 and WW2 and the Titanic only goes to show the world moves on and people accept it ( yes upsetting to some ) but thats life the way it is. Why do you think he is making the Titanic II just to make money , how long that will last we will see. And yes you are entitled to your own opinion on this ( and i respect that ) that is your right but remember we all have different ones as well. As for the Costa Concordia i wouldn't be surprised if a movie wasn`t in the making already if not it will happen because thats the way life is am afraid.
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All of P&O's fleet have propelers and stern thrusters but some require tugs for saftey reasons. :doh:
When you say P&O fleet do you mean cruise ships or ferries?
If its cruise ships, Arcadia has Azipods. :)
I don't know about the ferries.
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For all i said i disagree with the ship. Ive been thinking about it. Sure make it. But like someone said earlier you need to be really careful about the media if one little thing goes wrong then they will be all over it.
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When you say P&O fleet do you mean cruise ships or ferries?
If its cruise ships, Arcadia has Azipods. :)
I don't know about the ferries.
The two I have been on (Azura&Aroura) have stern thrusters but Aroura requires tug at southhampton for saftey reasons
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And about your point of WW2 no one would recreate that or the Concordia so why this?
Well, you don't have to recreate a whole war to make money out of it though.
There are warmovies, TV series, documentaries, museums, museum parks at actual battles sites, hundreds of thousands of books, websites, even more movies, replica's of all types of weapons and/or vehicles, people collect and trade real and replica equipment and such, did I mention they made lots of movies? ...they have parades, re-enactments, you can book whole trips to travel past some of the important battlefields with guides and plenty of opportunity to bring back souvenirs... etc etc etc etc.. you name it.. and every single one of those things makes someone (sometimes a lot of) money somewhere, the same way a replica of an old ship and replicating some old voyage might.
No difference there apart from that one thing is just one boring old ship and the other thing has many many more aspects to it even. But in both cases lots (and in the case of WWII enormous ammounts) of people died, and now we 'experience the past' in some fashion and pay for it in some way or another.
So much money is being made with things related to WWII, that you simply can't disregards that point. And Costa Concordia might well be treated the same way as Titanic is now, had she sunk 100 years ago as a first big tragedy in a long time and/or had a lot more people died on her, but it's too 'new' and not 'important' enough in this day and age, to leave a similar impact. As tragic as it was, there are other tragic things going on every day.
Fred.
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With the moral arguments settled, there is something I have been thinking about, which a sales director (or someone of similar position; I cannot precisely remember which) from Deltamarin replied to by saying it "would be cool," but that it is too early to determine.
I think that it would be quite novel if, despite Titanic II not running on Steam, the ship used a replicated set of steam whistles in lieu of a horn! I wouldn't be heartbroken if they didn't, but the idea definitely has some novelty to it, and with Disney's cruise ships, also designed by Deltamarin, having interesting horns of their own, there's at least a marginal chance of possibility :doh:
Additionally, based on a TRMA discussion I started some years back, apparently the three tones of the two whistles on the original ship would fall into what appears to be the permissible frequencies for a ship's horn if they were replicated and blown at the original steam pressure, and they are placed close enough together to be permitted to sound simultaneously. But then again, you guys here know much more about the subject than I do, which is why I bring it up. :P
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Although her main engines don't run on steam, she will almost certainly have steam for fuel heating etc. so steam whistles are probably not impossible.
The problem with steam whistles is that they are notoriously unreliable unless they have lots of maintenance, where an air or electric whistle is pretty much maintenance free.
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i have found this picture...the new Titanic will sail in 2016
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nice photo....Titanic is very pretty ship and too long for his century
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As a note, the render you have there is from http://www.titanic-ii.com
The design is out of date now, but the most recent design has yet to be displayed to the public. Who knows, maybe they will unveil the new design at the culinary event in Brisbane in the middle of August? Although Deltamarin HAS disclosed some details of the new design in text. Namely:
- The stern shape has been redesigned to more closely conform with the original, while still keeping the three azimuth thrusters. How much of the shape is above-the-waterline-only hasn't been said.
- The docking bridge has been added to the stern, but is pushed farther forward than it was on Titanic, to avoid obfuscating the helicopter pad.
- The observation deck windows on the front two funnels will use a material which is transparent from the inside but opaque from the outside, to make them not take away from the exterior aesthetics.
Some possible addition features were under consideration as of the last time they were asked on the company's blog on the topic. These include garage spaces below decks for automobiles and SOLAS-approved coverings for the modern lifeboats (the latter is under quite a bit of debate, because they also want people to feel safe when seeing the ship).
I still stand by my view that she would make for an excellent Ship Simulator vessel! Not only is the odd-numbered bow thruster arrangement unusual (along with, potentially their arrangement), as well as her aesthetics, but she is a ship that her owners plan on bringing all around the world, would add a new helicopter pad passenger ship to the game, and maybe even, if the ship's design and operation permit it and VSTEP were willing/able, add a new set of crane mechanics in terms of the ship-borne cranes loading up food, cargo, and potentially even motor cars for the below-deck garages (as a sort of highly unusual, long-distance car ferry, essentially)!
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Apparently she will also be 4 metres wider, due to stability, and the hull will be welded, not riveted..
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By what I have read, its not really the Titanic then. Its just a ship that looks like it... :-\
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When was that ever in doubt.. you do know the REAL one sunk, right? :doh:
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Yes... ;)
I thought he was going to make it pretty much exactly like the original, just with extra lifeboats, but its just (and yes I know this has been said many times before) for money.
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Yes... ;)
I thought he was going to make it pretty much exactly like the original, just with extra lifeboats, but its just (and yes I know this has been said many times before) for money.
The original Titanic violates the standards of SOLAS and the like. One of the project's historical consultants said on the TRMA forum that the only changes being made are to comply with modern ship design standards or to make the ship safer (or to take advantage of otherwise unused space opened up by the former two).
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The original Titanic violates the standards of SOLAS and the like. One of the project's historical consultants said on the TRMA forum that the only changes being made are to comply with modern ship design standards or to make the ship safer (or to take advantage of otherwise unused space opened up by the former two).
Ahh, I see. :doh:
Still, I like the idea but don't think it will work properly and is only for money. :-\
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Ahh, I see. :doh:
Still, I like the idea but don't think it will work properly and is only for money. :-\
They hired a LOT of highly competent people, firms, companies, and organizations for it to not work properly. Here's a list of the ones that have been named so far:
- Blue Star Line: An Australian company founded solely for the purpose of operating Titanic II as a flagship vessel
- CSC Jinling: A shipyard willing to build Titanic II, with a motivation to prove to the world that China can build a passenger ship just as well as any other nation
- Terry Ismay and Helen Benziger: Descendants of Titanic passengers (Bruce Ismay and Margaret Brown respectively), hired to ensure that the replica is tasteful to the memory of those who lived and died aboard Titanic
- Bruce Beveridge and Daniel Klistoner: Top-of-the-line Titanic technical researchers, the former specializing in the ship's systems and the latter in interior fittings
- Deltamarin: The same naval engineering firm that's designed a wide variety of oceangoing vessels and cruise ships, among other seagoing ships; has put forth designs for Titanic II which meet modern safety standards and would prove just as, if not more, stable, as well as safer, than the original ship. Titanic II was engineered in Finland, according to one of the preliminary sets of general arrangement plans.
- V.Ships Leisure: Large company which will be Titanic II's ship management agency. It is said that on the first day of announcing this, they received eight applications for the position of captain alone, from folks ranging from cruise ship captains to supertanker captains!
- Tillberg Design: Swedish naval architecture firm which will ensure that Titanic II's new areas (such as the S deck) will be designed and decorated as if the original Titanic had these extra spaces
- Lloyd's Register: British group which will review Titanic II's plans, ensure that the ship complies with all of the modern laws she claims she does, and then register the ship to allow her to sail in international waters
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Well, we'll see what happens. :)
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Well, we'll see what happens. :)
exactly, we can't argue about whats good and bad now when there is still around 3 years left. We don't know for sure what exactly will happen.
The only opinion i would give is if your going to modify the ships visual appearance then don't build the ship at all. I would rather give it a different paint job and name, if the ships appearance is going to be changed. Oh well.
To those who think there aren't any pictures of the Titanic, there are. Even though there are only a few there are pictures of the ship.
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They hired a LOT of highly competent people, firms, companies, and organizations for it to not work properly.
Errr...
So.. in order for it to NOT work properly, they hired all those highly competent people?
I agree with you completely this once. I am sure they will make a top notch fiasco out of it, given those World famous miracleworkers. :evil:
Besides.. you sure made the list SOUND impressive, but is it really? :P
- Blue Star Line: An Australian company founded solely for the purpose of operating Titanic II as a flagship vessel
So if they've been founded solely to operate the Titanic II, which isn't even ready yet, where is the proof of their competence? ::)
- CSC Jinling: A shipyard willing to build Titanic II, with a motivation to prove to the world that China can build a passenger ship just as well as any other nation
So if they have to prove to the world that they can build a passengership, that means they haven't done it before, and thus, no competence proven yet. ::)
- Terry Ismay and Helen Benziger: Descendants of Titanic passengers (Bruce Ismay and Margaret Brown respectively), hired to ensure that the replica is tasteful to the memory of those who lived and died aboard Titanic
Genetic Competence? I guess... ::)
- Bruce Beveridge and Daniel Klistoner: Top-of-the-line Titanic technical researchers, the former specializing in the ship's systems and the latter in interior fittings
Did they do many dives to the wreck to investigate all that, or did they just use google like the rest of the latter day experts? ::)
- Deltamarin: The same naval engineering firm that's designed a wide variety of oceangoing vessels and cruise ships, among other seagoing ships; has put forth designs for Titanic II which meet modern safety standards and would prove just as, if not more, stable, as well as safer, than the original ship.
Well, okay they're good and competent alright. But putting forth designs to meet modern standards isn't an achievement as much as a requirement really, to which added stability is inevitably linked. :)
- Titanic II was engineered in Finland, according to one of the preliminary sets of general arrangement plans.
Yay for Finland. And gee, they stuck to plans? How very rare in this industry... ;D
- V.Ships Leisure: Large company which will be Titanic II's ship management agency. It is said that on the first day of announcing this, they received eight applications for the position of captain alone, from folks ranging from cruise ship captains to supertanker captains!
Only 8? Meh, it's Titanic! Should have been 100. Rubbish. :evil:
- Tillberg Design: Swedish naval architecture firm which will ensure that Titanic II's new areas (such as the S deck) will be designed and decorated as if the original Titanic had these extra spaces
I hope they can live with themselves over this blasphemy. ;D
- Lloyd's Register: British group which will review Titanic II's plans, ensure that the ship complies with all of the modern laws she claims she does, and then register the ship to allow her to sail in international waters
Just another ship to them, they do it all the time, so that's not very impressive. Sure they are competent, but why is that even relevant? :doh:
But I'm sure they'll do a fine job among them, nonetheless. :thumbs:
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In general, the more separate entities which are incvolved in building / operating ships the more likely it is to be a huge disaster.
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Fred, you have just made my morning now! Shall I fetch some water for that burn now, or later? :doh:
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Fred, you deserve this.
(http://i1341.photobucket.com/albums/o753/Dannypenguin/facebook_like_button_big1_zps95f3f3e9.jpg) (http://s1341.photobucket.com/user/Dannypenguin/media/facebook_like_button_big1_zps95f3f3e9.jpg.html)
;D
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Anyways,
I was reading while on Holliday that for the maden voyage tickets are £1MILLION EACH!
And worse of all that's the last voyage she is doing :thumbdown:
To be honest I think it's going to be a floating theme park which will be sad for it. What next a submarine built to see under the "authentic" hull as they spent millions on something that the Chinese are only gonna see!
I don't know but it seems to be a rip off which I think is quite sad to be honest! Worse thing is its going to Dubai. Why not Southampton, her home town?
I starting to disagree with this ship!
It's a sad way to rip off a disaster :thumbdown:
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And worse of all that's the last voyage she is doing :thumbdown:
Hang on, is it ony doing one voyage!?!?
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Hang on, is it ony doing one voyage!?!?
Yes
Only one open to the public.
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Haha, thanks I guess, fellas. But it's not a burn, it's a reality check.. :P
Making something sound really exciting, doesn't mean that people without a fascination of a certain subject that is bordering on mental illness, also experience it as such. ;D
;)
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From The Guardian:
But even if Palmer is indeed obsessed with the cinematic Titanic rather than the historical facts behind it, that does not mean he has not stumbled upon a hit idea. Already more than 40,000 people have applied for Titanic II's maiden voyage, including some offering up to a million dollars for a first class cabin. Just like Cameron, Palmer is finding that with the Titanic and Titanic II it is image that people are after. And in that image there might just be a massive business opportunity.
So BSL isn't asking a million, BSL was OFFERED a million. ;)
But who am I protecting BSL?! :o
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And they better do more than one public trip, and sell a lot more tickets.. because, and I quote wiki;
"In June 2013, it was reported that Clive Palmer may be experiencing financial difficulties, and that his two most prominent businesses were running at a loss. This followed the leaking of a letter where he asked a Chinese business partner for a $200 million AUD payment. His net worth was believed to have fallen by $1.6 billion AUD in 2013"
Oh dear, maybe they won't even get to complete it at all.. ::)
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And if it would sail only once, it would be more worth it to already let it sink somewhere in the Atlantic. ::)
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And if it would sail only once, it would be more worth it to already let it sink somewhere in the Atlantic. ::)
Thats where the idea of Titanic III/IV come in as some articles have mentioned.
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Yeah he has already made his money out of it! He could sink it and not lose to much (from advertising), but the ethics of it I think it should not really sink. I flew over costa Concordia (I think) and you could just make out the ship from the sky. Look how badly the island suffered when It sunk
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Oh dear, maybe they won't even get to complete it at all.. ::)
Oh no! That would be terrible! A world without Titanic 2. Can you imagine it!? How will we survive! So many questions, so few answers! :doh: :sleepy: :sleepy:
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Anyways,
I was reading while on Holliday that for the maden voyage tickets are £1MILLION EACH!
And worse of all that's the last voyage she is doing :thumbdown:
To be honest I think it's going to be a floating theme park which will be sad for it. What next a submarine built to see under the "authentic" hull as they spent millions on something that the Chinese are only gonna see!
I don't know but it seems to be a rip off which I think is quite sad to be honest! Worse thing is its going to Dubai. Why not Southampton, her home town?
I starting to disagree with this ship!
It's a sad way to rip off a disaster :thumbdown:
I can tell you right now that whatever source you got that from is wrong: Clive Palmer has been quoted as saying that he has received offers in excess of one million dollars for spots on the maiden voyage, but he stated that actual ticket prices will be nowhere near that. It also says here, on the Blue Star Line website, (http://bluestarline.com.au/2013/07/6248/) that Clive Palmer says, “Titanic II will be a regular feature on the transatlantic route between the UK and USA,” though the company has also mentioned desires to take it all over the world on various voyages. For a few examples, they're contemplating bringing the ship on voyages back to China, while Dubai and Halifax have expressed interests in having Titanic II stop by (the latter of which is careful to ensure that such an event is done tastefully, as they possess the world's largest cemetery of Titanic victims).
Thats where the idea of Titanic III/IV come in as some articles have mentioned.
I am pretty sure that what he was saying with that regard is that he hopes that in over 100 years, someone else will make a Titanic III in memory of Titanic and Titanic II, and so on after that.
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I found this 3D model of the ship's lifeboat design. (http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-lifeboat-titanic-ii/753827) It matches the design shown in the technical overview video, but only now did I realize that the Titanic II's lifeboats seem shorter compared to their width than, for example, the Davit in Ship Simulator Extremes. I take it this could be to keep it more stable in harsher sea states than a cruise ship will typically travel in?
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Well, It's just a standard issue type PL 9.7, there is no change on account of them maybe going to be used for the new Titanic, and besides that you can't really tell much from only looking at a davit (do you mean the actual davit or the lifeboat itself?) in a game that doesn't even depict everything 100% to scale to begin with.
So no.. these are designed for modern cruiseships and such, with the worst possible conditions in mind, so they're already designed for the worst seas imaginable, because.. well.. it's very harsh seas that claim the most ships, isn't it? that's when they're needed. ;)
Plus, given the recent massive financial problems and the things that many of the top officials in the maritime world and the cruise-industry have said about many of Palmer's recent outlandish quotes and decisions, the chance of this ship actually ever being launched and if so made succesful are not very good at all. Some experts in this industry even called the recent reveiled deckplans 'sketchy'. So I don't think we need to look at the lifeboats just yet. ::)
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Mind you if the plans are sketchy, those lifeboats may come in use :thumbdown:
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Well, It's just a standard issue type PL 9.7, there is no change on account of them maybe going to be used for the new Titanic, and besides that you can't really tell much from only looking at a davit (do you mean the actual davit or the lifeboat itself?) in a game that doesn't even depict everything 100% to scale to begin with.
So no.. these are designed for modern cruiseships and such, with the worst possible conditions in mind, so they're already designed for the worst seas imaginable, because.. well.. it's very harsh seas that claim the most ships, isn't it? that's when they're needed. ;)
Plus, given the recent massive financial problems and the things that many of the top officials in the maritime world and the cruise-industry have said about many of Palmer's recent outlandish quotes and decisions, the chance of this ship actually ever being launched and if so made succesful are not very good at all. Some experts in this industry even called the recent reveiled deckplans 'sketchy'. So I don't think we need to look at the lifeboats just yet. ::)
When I said "Davit," I meant the Ship Simulator Extremes boat of that name. ;)
And if the experts were looking at these (http://media.news.com.au/fe/2012/07/titanic2plans/doc/titanic-ii-plans.pdf) plans, it should be noted that they are titled as "Preliminary GA for Owner's Comments and Basis for Lightweight and Other Calculations," and are dated July 12, 2012. If you look at the 3D rendering on the ship's website, you can tell that everything right down to the propulsion system and lifeboat arrangement (and number) have changed since then! And a change made even later than that (but not yet publicly shown) involves the stern shape, so the arrangement of the azimuth thrusters might change by even more.
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That's kind of irrelevant though as even preliminary sketches are supposed to be fairly sound in this industry, and there's a lot more to the remarks of said experts than just the sketchy sketches. ;)
Plus they were not referring to those old plans anyway. We aren't talking about just some folks going on the interwebs to google for information on this, these are people that actually have been consulted with regards to this project, and that do this for a living. I'm talking top level specialists in the maritime and cruise-industry and such. They don't go by outdated information and they don't rely on publications of changes to the project, to form their expert opinions. :P
So unless you can show me some credentials that prove you're operating on the same level as these experts, I'm afraid I still will have to take their word for it. ;D
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That's kind of irrelevant though as even preliminary sketches are supposed to be fairly sound in this industry, and there's a lot more to the remarks of said experts than just the sketchy sketches. ;)
Plus they were not referring to those old plans anyway. We aren't talking about just some folks going on the interwebs to google for information on this, these are people that actually have been consulted with regards to this project, and that do this for a living. I'm talking top level specialists in the maritime and cruise-industry and such. They don't go by outdated information and they don't rely on publications of changes to the project, to form their expert opinions. :P
So unless you can show me some credentials that prove you're operating on the same level as these experts, I'm afraid I still will have to take their word for it. ;D
Alright, sorry about that. There was some bloke who at some point worked on a ship, with a blog where he was expressing concerns over lifeboat capacity, basing his concerns on public Blue Star Line statements, and I thought you might have been referring to him :doh:
We'll just have to see what happens with Lloyd's Register, I suppose, to see if they allow the design into international waters.
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I want to learn more about contemporary ship design, shipbuilding and approval, though I don't know where I can look for a concise list of steps.
Either way, despite the (by Blue Star Line standards) silence from the parties involved over the past month, it looks like the project isn't dead. (http://bluestarline.com.au/2013/08/6253/)
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Palmer knows how to play the game and how to keep a pilot-light lit under things so as not to give the wrong impression. They don't call him an 'eccentric attention-grabber' for nothing. But his financial problems, despite him disputing that, are massive. According to Forbes, which is pretty trustworthy, he's not even a billionaire anymore. So with those problems, and the fact that nothing is actually set in stone yet on a business level with many of the companies involved in the build... I just don't know.. it's not dead, but it's not fully alive and kicking either. Don't forget, it's not the first outlandish idea he's had, and of all his ideas, he has seen at least an equal ammount, if not more, faillure than succes over the years. I'll believe it when they're actually launching her. ;D
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Palmer knows how to play the game and how to keep a pilot-light lit under things so as not to give the wrong impression. They don't call him an 'eccentric attention-grabber' for nothing. But his financial problems, despite him disputing that, are massive. According to Forbes, which is pretty trustworthy, he's not even a billionaire anymore. So with those problems, and the fact that nothing is actually set in stone yet on a business level with many of the companies involved in the build... I just don't know.. it's not dead, but it's not fully alive and kicking either. Don't forget, it's not the first outlandish idea he's had, and of all his ideas, he has seen at least an equal ammount, if not more, faillure than succes over the years. I'll believe it when they're actually launching her. ;D
Point taken, though I doubt that Deltamarin would flesh out a design fully enough for them to make a 30½-foot hydrodynamic model (Out of curiosity, I did some research, and found that this model will be larger than the scale Titanic model used for James Cameron's 1997 film, but smaller than the scale model of the wreck used for Raise the Titanic in 1980) based on sheer goodwill ;D
And Clive Palmer says that he doesn't want his kids to be spoiled off of his inheritance, so he's actively trying to spend as much money as he can so that he doesn't end up giving them several tons of money in his will, so the project has that going for it :P
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And Clive Palmer says that he doesn't want his kids to be spoiled off of his inheritance, so he's actively trying to spend as much money as he can so that he doesn't end up giving them several tons of money in his will, so the project has that going for it :P
If thats the case then his kids must hate the project! :D
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the project is in the same stages as the Marina here
their is not enough money but their is enough demand here for one so their just waiting for more money to build this. :thumbs:
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the project is in the same stages as the Marina here
their is not enough money but their is enough demand here for one so their just waiting for more money to build this. :thumbs:
If there wasn't enough money, you would think that they would be at least somewhat weary of spending what funds they have, rather than holding these high-class galas all over the world, such as the one they had in Australia in August, or in New York in February :P
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It's Clive Palmer.. logic does not apply. ;D
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If there wasn't enough money, you would think that they would be at least somewhat weary of spending what funds they have, rather than holding these high-class galas all over the world, such as the one they had in Australia in August, or in New York in February :P
The high class galas are to give the impression that they have plenty of money so that potential investors / partners won't see the project for the load of old tosh that it is.
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As a small update for those who care, the sales director of Deltamarin said this on September 13 in response to someone's question in their most recent blog post about Titanic II:
Reply to Alex Deblois' comment on 2013-09-06: Model tests have been successfully carried out this week. Project development progressing as planned. Blue Star Line will publish any further milestones in due time.
So that's another step to the design process complete.
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I am pretty sure someone around here wanted to see some form of proof that this hull model was actually built, so this PDF includes some pictures: http://deltamarin.com/uploaded/files/BSL_Titanic_II_Media_Release_19092013_Model_tests1.pdf
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wow.. so they actually made a scale model.... that is.. just.. wow. :o
Now I am a believer. :2thumbs:
Seriously though, who didn't believe they could make a model and throw it around in a swimming pool? hehe.. :lol:
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wow.. so they actually made a scale model.... that is.. just.. wow. :o
Now I am a believer. :2thumbs:
Seriously though, who didn't believe they could make a model and throw it around in a swimming pool? hehe.. :lol:
At the very least, this signifies that money has changed hands between companies over this project, physical resources have been put into its design, and that the hydrodynamic model of the ship is sound; I know some people who thought that even the model was a bluff, and used the lack of photographs of it to support the idea :P
The question does arise, though: did the pieces naturally fall into place that Titanic II was HSVA's 5,000th test, or did they need to shuffle some other tests around to get the two big PR events to coincide?
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Of course they 'made it fit', they aren't stupid.
And these proceedings are not that costly. The real challenge is still ahead, almost all of it. Running these tests is peanuts compared of most that is still to come, really.
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Do I see my newly ordered canoe?
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I'll believe that it is going to happen when they start cutting steel.
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I'll believe that it is going to happen when they start cutting steel.
Even then it could end up like the MV Regent Sky...
(http://cdn2.shipspotting.com/photos/middle/0/0/5/660500.jpg)