Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator Extremes => Topic started by: leaive on February 13, 2011, 22:14:40
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Why doesn`t the whaling ships have real names like Yushin Maru and Nisshin Maru?
Thanks for answer.
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Because VSTEP has to have permission to use the real names of ships or companies. Perhaps the Japanese don’t like the way they are being portrayed in the missions.
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Thank you for answer.
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I know, but what they are doing is very illegal, so i dont know where the Japanese`s worrie about that v-step uses the really names of the ships ??? its a game and when the Japanese`s dont like it, they mustn`t play shipsim, simple !:)
Tell me the reasons ???
Eemshoorn
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well in japan whaling is still legal.
the call it whale research but the only thing the research is if the meat is good enough to be sold
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well in japan whaling is still legal.
the call it whale research but the only thing the research is if the meat is good enough to be sold
lol. and how quick you can cut up a whale.
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I see
But i still say i would not like the whaling ships playeble
because the whalers are enviroment killers
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i want them playable as well.
multiplayer whale wars. ;D ;D
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well i think if you made them playable then there will be lots of war going on in SSEMP,
i dont think the Japanese would like to see their ships being rammed and sunken just for a simulation fun
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well i think if you made them playable then there will be lots of war going on in SSEMP,
i dont think the Japanese would like to see their ships being rammed and sunken just for a simulation fun
if they didnt hunt whales at all there wouldnt be a discussion now
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well in japan whaling is still legal.
the call it whale research but the only thing the research is if the meat is good enough to be sold
sorry but they dont even do that part of the IWC laws say that whales killed for [FAKE] research can not go to waste so they have to sell it by law.[if they could not sell whale they would not do it.]
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The fact that the Japanese are constructing beautiful hunting ships is a good enough reason to have them in the game for me!
wake up! It's a game, and I'm looking forward to when the Japanese makes a game when we can drive their boats, and see it through their eyes.
How many of you fishers would had liked to be bothered 24/7 when you are at work in the north sea or something by some paranoid environment people?
I have lost faith in Vstep, they aren't going to satisfy my goal of having them playable.
Time will show, but I honestly doesn't have much optimism around this.
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sheesh ::)
If you really want to see it through their eyes play this game...
http://harpooned.org/
"Japanese Cetacean Research Simulator"
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Lol I have that game (read had)
It's a 2d game, cant be compared :P
The Japanese are good at techno logic so why don't make a real 3d harpooned game, where you can take payback on sea shepherd :)
Just my opinion, I know that many of you are strictly against whaling so please I did't mean to make you angry or anything, just sharing my opinion and hopes of having more cool ships in a "cool" game..
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The fact that the Japanese are constructing beautiful hunting ships is a good enough reason to have them in the game for me!
wake up! It's a game, and I'm looking forward to when the Japanese makes a game when we can drive their boats, and see it through their eyes.
How many of you fishers would had liked to be bothered 24/7 when you are at work in the north sea or something by some paranoid environment people?
I have lost faith in Vstep, they aren't going to satisfy my goal of having them playable.
Time will show, but I honestly doesn't have much optimism around this.
If they did it would be a minor miricle, Not because of Vstep, but because of the IWC, To be honest i'm supprised they let the ships be put in the game in the first place
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Well I have a theory around that:
Look here is the hunting ship: http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-model-of-whale-boat/446570
And what about the nishin I dont know, looks to me like they have made it themself, but there you have your reason to why the japansese ships is in the game. The wanted good missions for SSE and the greenpeace campaign, they found that hunting ship. Well at least thats my theory ;)
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I would love to have playable whaling ships. It would make a good multiplayer battle and I could sink them when I am bored.
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Not defending any Japanese whalers but we also have a fishing vessel and a lot of fish are on the brink of extinxtion. Also we have tankers and there were a lot of accidents with tankers, spoiling nature and so we can go on.
By having playable whalers (without real names) will not tell we agree with whaling.
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Thats a good point Heikodewal
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If VSTEP ever added playable whaling ships into the simulator, I would throw SSE in the bin.
It simply goes against my belief. "Whaling" is wrong on so many accounts and to top it off the coward's who do these crimes go using the term "Research" as there excuse to hunt whales in International waters.
That's just my opinion anyways, I don't think I could play a game which includes, or supports any form of animal cruelty.
CaptainM.
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you could sink them then ;D ;D ;D
or stop them from whaling.
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If VSTEP ever added playable whaling ships into the simulator, I would throw SSE in the bin.
It simply goes against my belief. "Whaling" is wrong on so many accounts and to top it off the coward's who do these crimes go using the term "Research" as there excuse to hunt whales in International waters.
That's just my opinion anyways, I don't think I could play a game which includes, or supports any form of animal cruelty.
CaptainM.
Well, whalers are already in the game, so the 'cruelty' is already in it. And I agree with Heiko.. there are other vessels in the game that are also (sometimes) responsible for the suffering of animals (oil spills) or the catching/killing of other fish that are nearing extinction.
But talking about animal cruelty..
You don't eat meat? fish? fowl? You know what they do to pigs, cows, chicken, etc, right? Not just killing them, but the things before they are even slaughtered. You don't wear leather at all? Don't eat eggs? Don't use any form of medication, ever? Don't own any product that in some stage had anything to do with the use of animals as beasts of burden? (they still use a lot of animals in Asia, in the production process of our cheap consumer goods, and they have very rough lives). Never killed any nasty bugs? etc etc.. (ok that last one is pushing it, but still..)
People that play the animal cruelty card, often have lots of it going on around them without even realising it, because those things are simply accepted as normal for us. Yet, that's the point.. if one thing is wrong and you use that as a principle statement, then they all have to be wrong..or Ãt's being hypocritical.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it helps to stop and think and look around you, to see what's really going on. And surely one should never blindly follow or believe the things that any group of do-gooders say, just cause they say it. (not directed at you, just a general statement.)
Unless you're a member of PETA, for example, and have abolished ALL animal cruelty from your life.. something VERY hard to do in modern life.. then what's it all mean, really? :P
Selectively saying that one is bad and the other is ok, would render the former statement worthless, in my humble opinion. :)
Fred.
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Surely you can't ignore the fact that the hunting of whales is in an International whale sanctuary..
That's like shooting elephants in a national wildlife park..
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Well said Fred!
Furthermore, having a game with virtual guns doesn't kill a person and having virtual whalers, warships etc in SSE doesn't hurt someone or kill a whale. Of course, Captain M. you are allowed to have your own opinion, but it is a little bit shortsighted.
The fact that a whale is killed in a sanctuary does not matter for that whale, he does not even know. Every killed whale, in or outside a sanctuary is one to many as long as the specy is endangered. The same counts for every animal!
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Surely you can't ignore the fact that the hunting of whales is in an International whale sanctuary..
That's like shooting elephants in a national wildlife park..
Nope, rules are rules, if they are not allowed there, they should be stopped, preferably by naval forces, but not by vigilantes who take matters in their own hands and willfully endanger human life to save animal life. Two wrongs do not make a right.
But not all whaling goes on in there, of course. :)
Edit - Thanks Heiko, and you aswell. We should leave endangered species alone, easy as that. And there's a lot more that we hear nothing about that are in much more trouble than whales are at the moment. But of course those aren't 'majestic and magical' creatures.. ::)
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I would welcome the sight of naval forces there, but untill that happens it's a good thing someone is there to protect the whales. As endangering human life is concerned, I think that is a slight exaggeration. If anyone has acted aggresively it is the Japanese by running over the Ady Gil and almost did it again to the Gojira..
If you are going to ram a ship, do it to a ship your own size..
Indeed not all whaling goes on in there, I think the reason it does is because it is the area where whales annualy go for whatever reason..mating, calving, feeding. The perfect place to find whales, exactly the reason it is a sanctuary. Much easier than roaming the oceans searching for them. :)
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Not at all..Just an exchange of views.. :)
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Another of those topics where it get nasty and they lock it. ::) :doh:
Nasty??? This was quite a civilised discussion, I think a nice example of how people can ventilate different opinions...
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Yes, I didn't and don't see anything wrong with it. Opinions are just fine, even if they are strong ones, as long as everyone keeps it civilized indeed. :)
@ Salty, you are right, there's things going on, on both sides, that can be spoken against, I grant you that. :thumbs:
But human life is certainly in danger due to SS's efforts though.. remember the mishap with the RHIB launch, for example? ;D
Ok that's just cheeky. I'm sorry. ;)
Fred
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;D
Ok, I know what you mean!
I think the Sea Sheperd issue tends to heat up discussions.
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Yes Fred, I guess both sides occasionaly do wrong things (the RHIB launch was pathetic) :doh:..
But all over the planet questionable things with animals are going on. It makes me a bit pessimistic at times..
Let's hope things get better in the future.. :)
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they should be stopped, preferably by naval forces, but not by vigilantes who take matters in their own hands and willfully endanger human life to save animal life.
So what you're saying is that it should be ignored?
I see no naval forces getting involved, nor have I ever.
Edit- This is a general question. Unless your response is completely nonsense I will not respond.
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Maybe it helps to put more pressure on goverments to help out?
I know that's already done but I think that Sea Shepard is ruining their own image the way they are acting now.
There must be a way somewhere in the middle.
For the record: I strongly disagree with whaling.
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So what you're saying is that it should be ignored?
I see no naval forces getting involved, nor have I ever.
Edit- This is a general question. Unless your response is completely nonsense I will not respond.
No, what I say is that vigilante justice is wrong.
If you eat meat, and I ram down your door at your house to stop you from eating pork or beef, would you welcome me or be angry with me? ;)
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If you eat meat, and I ram down your door at your house to stop you from eating pork or beef, would you welcome me or be angry with me? ;)
Actually, I wouldn't really care (unless it was raining). I have a friend who makes things such as doors.
PS: I'm not normal
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Is it raining? ::)
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Are you suggesting Sea Shepherd should change their name to "Meat Police"..? ;D
It's not about eating meat, it's about illegal whaling..
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Who said anything about only the illegal aspect? :P
Cows and pigs and chicken are not treated very well either before they get slaughtered.. they have their hooves and horns and beaks and wings and such 'trimmed' without any aneastethic (spelling might be off) and such. Thet don't have the best accomodation either, most of the time.. So there's a lot of stress and pain, etc.. It's not like our meat is only taken from happy animals that had a great life all the time. At least the whales are free up to the point where they are caught, not that I think they should be caught at all, don't get me wrong.
Pain and suffering doesn't really care wether it's on one side of a border or the other, it's the hypocrisy often involved, that I find a bit silly at times. When people cry that it is animal cruelty.. but eat a steak at night that also was put on their plate after similar cruelty to other animals.
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I agree with that, animals should be treated better ,which is why I voted Partij voor de Dieren
(a Dutch political party representing better conditions for animals)
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There was in the mission editor also a way to make some static ships playable or not...... ??? i've read that somewhere..........
Eemshoorn
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Yes, we may be getting a bit off topic here.. :)
I wouldn't know about that, Eemshoorn..
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There was in the mission editor also a way to make some static ships playable or not...... ??? i've read that somewhere..........
Eemshoorn
I think you are confusing that with changing the controller type. That is explained in the Mission Editor Notes.
In the Mission Editor, A ship’s control type—Player, AI, or Static—can be changed at any point in the mission. You have seen that done in many of the campaign missions.
An AI or Static ship an be converted to a player ship, but the player can’t control it unless it exists as a Player ship—with a bridge and other useful stuff—in SSE.
Example: You are leaving port in a cargo ship when suddenly you find yourself on the pilot boat with the objective of overtaking the cargo ship and returning the pilot. What about the cargo ship? When you left her she was heading at full speed toward a point of land. When you catch up to her, she has altered course and is slowing for the transfer.
The cargo ship was converted to an AI ship with a safe goal and speed commands. That put you on the next available player ship—the pilot boat. When you transfer back aboard the cargo ship, she has been switched from AI to Player. The pilot boat is switched to AI, and goes home.
The cargo ship could only become a drivable player ship because she had been one.
A while back, I posted an example where you are driving the cutter on the Solent when she switches to AI and goes up to Southampton on Autopilot. You can wander around her but you can’t control her until she becomes a player ship upon reaching Southampton VTS.
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Is it raining? ::)
No.
Here is a wonderful picture proving my answer.
PS: Raw 4000X3000 image available to NO ONE! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Well this has gone WAY off topic.
Back to the topic, I would love to see the whaling ships as playable ships because then I could sink them when I am feeling stressed.
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Surely you can't ignore the fact that the hunting of whales is in an International whale sanctuary..
That's like shooting elephants in a national wildlife park..
Saltydog, shooting elephants in a national park has his reasons. The people there are black (just to relate how they get treated sometimes in comparision with us), poor and they get shot for what they do. Ofcourse it's cruel, but those people don't have much to live. Japan has the resources and welfare to live without whaling.
Back to the topic, I would love to see the whaling ships as playable ships because then I could sink them when I am feeling stressed.
You've got my back, Casey. :P
But human life is certainly in danger due to SS's efforts though.. remember the mishap with the RHIB launch, for example?
All crew members of Sea Shepherd make an agreement: They would give their lives for a whale. So if they deploy RHIBS, and it fails, they know they deployed it to save whales.
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Right, when bigotry and ramming and sinking takes over, we truly HAVE gone off topic.
Best to put this one to rest then, if it can't stay serious and respectful.
Fred.