Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator Extremes => Topic started by: VirtualSkipper on January 06, 2011, 23:01:22
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Just as the question says, are you?
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It has still a low FPS, even when the graphics quality is set to the lowest level, and starting SSE2010 takes a lot of time, approx. 10 minutes.
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The update is great. I found some great update to the Orient Star, before, a light was where there was nothing there, after, structure added. I also found an "Easter Egg" ship in Mission Editor. Go under player ships and right above Fortissmo, there is a modified powerboat I identify as a Dragboat. It must be the first time seeing this ship. I also like the cinematic camera.
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Still get low FPS :'(
Even with mediun/low config. But i made just one trip. I´ll use it more to give a more acurate view.
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bug encountered
All ships boucing up and down in calm seas
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Vote Point3
Same MP tug bug as before
FPS not better
Can not see Ships in Chart lightgrey
Chart not movable/resizeable
No ping, no shipinfo at chatbox
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I am dissapointed cause I have huge FPS drop down (for about 15-20 down) :thumbdown:
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Hiya. I haven't had a chance yet to quite test out SSE since the new update, so I can't say yet.
But, I wanted to point out what is probably a typo in the Poll choices.
The way you currently have it worded, the first and last choice are the same:
"Yes, I am 100% satisfied"
and
"I am completely now satisfied (why?)"
Where I'm assuming the "now" should have been a "not"?
Or better yet it if that's the case, it seems an odd formation of a sentence and might be better worded as:
"I am completely dissatisfied (why?)"
Anyways, I'll be busy trying out SSE tonight and will probably post back some of my comments in the forums here about the update and how things look and work now.
Cheers.
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Just as the question says, are you?
Yeah, thumbs up from me :thumbs: It's all good.This patch defendant made a big dent into the features, performance, fixes and enhancements. Probably not too far way from fully patching up the game, but for now everything that was mentioned in the patch release notes worked out nicely, plus a few little things that have also been tweaked. This is a good indication of keeping my computer up to date, clean, and the rest of it so my current RIG can run the game smoothly
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I guess now I really should get a new computer with this slide-show (5 fps)..
(Windows XP,/ Pentium4, 3Ghz,/ 2Gb RAM,/ 8800GT)
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I guess now I really should get a new computer with this slide-show (5 fps)..
(Windows XP,/ Pentium4, 3Ghz,/ 2Gb RAM,/ 8800GT)
Guess they weren't kidding about when they said, must have a good rig to run it.
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It´s ok but I´m confused about the engine which sometimes stops when I change my view. But I like the steerings from the nock now which are working when I push the keyboard button several times (but the walkthrough button irritates me as I am pushing it longer and switch to a deck view (vermaas) and cannot switch back to the bridge view).
Unfortunately I don´t have the time at the moment to test more things.
Cheers
Ingo
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Saltydog: Your gear meets the system requirements, and so does mine.
Although my machine easily should be able to handle the game, the frame rate is nearly as low as on yours - 6-10 fps.
As my machine doesn't have any problems with other software - including flight and driving simulations - and runs the other software than SSE fast and smooth, I don't believe that the faults are to be found in the PC, but rather in the software. This again means that you can't be sure that the game runs properly with new equipment.
SSE ran lousy before updating and runs even lousier now.
I am completely dissatisfied and think I'll give up now.
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It's strange. I'm able to play SS08 at 15-20 fps (max settings), and even Extremes at a reasonable 12-16 fps.(pre-update)
I read lots of complaints from guys with much better systems than mine about dramatic decrease of frame-rates since the update.
I think I'll stick with SS08 for a while..
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I am using it for 2 hrs now and although there are numerous improvements in vessels, controls and UI, I am missing the improved performance that was promised. I could play SSE 1.2.2 (just...), now the performance is unsatisfying (to put it mildly). Please don't take me wrong VSTEP, I appreciate all the additions and improvements and the effort, but a performance decrease was not promised!!!
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At the forum there many more complaints about the performance since the 1.3-patch of SSE2010 has been released! A bad performance of SSE2010 will hurt the reputation of Vstep, so Vstep must make sure they will release a patch which will fix all these performance isues.
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exactly that^^
Lot of people with high-enf PC have problems with it...
25-30 FPS is nothing, min 50-60FPS is to play without lagging
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25-30 FPS is nothing, min 50-60FPS is to play without lagging
??? I would be VERY happy with 25-30 fps - even 15-20 would be enough for me!
But I had 9-13 before the update and now, after the update, we are talking about 6-10!!! Plus lots of errors (Game hanging or engines that won't start etc.)
On the other hand - now I'm able to enjoy every single frame ...
It's probably hard to be a moderator these days. And I guess that at VStep they sit and ask themselves, why so many people complain again.
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I am very satisfied! I had too a drop of framerates, maybe 10 FPS, why? Now AA is on very high, but the game is almost always rock solid and smooth. However I didn't see any improvement in CPU usage, it still uses only hardly 1 core of the CPU (I have 8), but maybe that's enough. The graphics with AA on are much better!
In my opinion, VSTEP done it right :2thumbs: Congrats.
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Im my frps would drop 10 fps, the game wouldd run with a negative fps :doh:
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yes there are some good changes but when in the agile solution when moving around in walk around mode engines change up/down when walking (i walk forward=engine full throttle/backwards = reverse) why are some options on mission editor blocked out such as environment settings (choppyness and crest size) being able to adjust wave spacing would be nice big waves seems alittle close togeather would be nice to have spaced swells but yes there are some great improvements like the the radar/map on the bridge working
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I voted completely unsatisfied because of even poorer performance and unsuspected changes to rudder and throttle when changing from orbit to helmsman view and vv.
This really is the next disappointment from VSTEP and there are no more excuses left.
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I am only satisfied with the higher waves since the 1.3-patch than before. The performance has got worse.
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I re-installed the game, but without any updates..
Now, instead of 5 fps. I have my familiar 12-16 fps back..
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@Saltydog:
I re-installed the game, but without any updates..
Now, instead of 5 fps. I have my familiar 12-16 fps back..
Its should not be the case that with any newer updates of SSE2010 the performance degrades! When will Vstep fix th performance breakdowns?
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I voted the last option.
Why? A dramatic drop down of the FPS with about 50 %. A radarscreen degraded to a stationary map does not make things better, right?
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I agree, but what can you do..? Apparently this problem did not show up at testing.
Let's hope a fix is in the near future..
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yes there are some good changes but when in the agile solution when moving around in walk around mode engines change up/down when walking (i walk forward=engine full throttle/backwards = reverse)
In Walkthrough mode, instead of using the arrow-keys to move around, use the W,A,S,D keys instead.
This seems to work well for me and doesn't affect the throttle setting this way either.
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I voted the last option.
Why? A dramatic drop down of the FPS with about 50 %. A radarscreen degraded to a stationary map does not make things better, right?
Are you talking about this?
http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,23431.0.html
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Oh no! Even Aad isn't satisfied - one off the most patient forum members.
This is indeed an alarm signal.
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With 5 fps the game is unplayable..
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Not satisfied :(
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Vige,
I thought you were a avid supporter of the game and told me to wait until the updates before I criticise the game. :doh:
On my way of thinking this game has grown in strength. It has all the things I wanted. Bridge dials that work, Mouse commands work and a few other things that make the game stand out. :2thumbs: Just wish my playing frame rate had not taken a huge hit. If any one finds a quick fix I look forward to your ideas. I will try a few things myself. :-\
Cheers Nick.
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The colors of the ships in the charts leaves a lot to be desired (light Grey on white & White on Light Green makes the ship almost impossible to see.
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The colors of the ships in the charts leaves a lot to be desired (light Grey on white & White on Light Green makes the ship almost impossible to see.
Hiya Woz. Did you try the simple "fix" for this from this other thread?
http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,23415.0.html
Hope that helps.
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Vige,
I thought you were a avid supporter of the game and told me to wait until the updates before I criticise the game.
You're right Nick, I did say this.
It's funny but I don't feel like I still have the positive outlook that I used to have about this game. My desktop PSU shat itself not long ago and now I don't have the capability to play SSE at all.
I have been patient as a parrot and done all the right things, hoped that the patch might enable GPU selection prior to game launch after emailing VSTEP, etc. but in the end I was told it wasn't going to happen and while I have a lot of respect for what VSTEP have tried to create, it is in the end moot for me.
IMHO the engineering that has gone into this game puzzles me a bit - frame rates have dropped for quite a few players etc. If I can play Rise of Flight on next to full settings on a laptop, I should shoe it in on SSE.
Don't know what to say now guys, sorry. I don't want to bag the game but I am incredibly dissapointed that so many are experiencing issues.
I'm really trying to stay upbeat about SSE but how do you do that if you can't play it?
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It's not easy.. ;)
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Hi guys,
For those who report a framerate drop since the 1.3 update, can you please tell us :
1. what is your in-game anti-aliasing level setting ?
2. have you tried reducing this anti-aliasing (starting from none, then trying one step higher, and so on) ? Can you please do that and tell us if your framerate drop is linked with the anti-aliasing ?
3. if you have in-game antialising enabled, have you set up your video card anti aliasing settings to 'managed by applications' ?
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I started with a fresh install and my average framerate (cutter, port of rotterdam) was 13-14 fps, settings on very high and a 1024*768 resoltion and using the nVidia Control Panel i set AA to 16X.
With patch 1.3, my average framerate was 8-9 fps, Same settings, but with AI traffic turned on and AA ingame on very high.
Note: I started with version 1.0 and then i installed patch 1.x ->1.3.
Note: I have a damaged graphics card, so my memory clock is 865 MHz instead of 1151 MHz.
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Denis:
My framerate drop is approx. 10 -20 %, but that doesn't matter a lot, because the game was pretty unplayable before updating. To verify this I uninstalled the game yesterday, installed version 1 and tried different things, then patched the game and tried the same things. (from 7-13 to 6-10 fps - on a computer, that should be able to handle SSE and doesn't have any problems running other simulations or demanding software)
1. My ingame AA-setting is 'none" - zero, which looks quite odd, like playing a game 10 years ago.
2. I cant reduce the AA-settings further, but the framerate of the start screen reduces dramatically when I raise the AA-level (from ~22 to ~14 fps)
3. Yes - of course I have tried this option before - with no significant impact, whether before nor after the update.
BTW - I tested this while writing this post. The first attempt was first core mission in Hamburg. Like so many times before the engines refused to work, although the controls on the screen moved. This time there was no sound (which admittedly is better than the annoying bow splashing, which usually is heard when the engines don't work).
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I voted "not satisfated" because I have noticed that SSE loads slow and loading a mission is even slower with patch 1.3.
Oh and I've had my first ever app crash since I bought SSE. :(
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One odd thing from me, Steam updated the game for me to 1.3..... So the game was updated but it still says it's 1.2.2
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I reinstalled SSE v 1.01 again, with high quality I have 20 fps.
And no problems with rudder or throttle when changing views.
After installing version 1.3 I played again with same quality settings, framerate dropped to 11 and I have the rudder and throttle problems again when changing from orbit to helmsman view.
I can ofcourse play with the framerate but a performance drop of 45% is hefty.
Does anyone else experience the strange behaviour in view change???????
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Yes, I have the same rudder/throttle problems - but they were there since version 1.2.2.
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Yes, I have the same rudder/throttle problems - but they were there since version 1.2.2.
I never experienced them in 1.2.2...... It's strange that almost nobody has mentioned this.
Fred, are these errors known with VSTEP?
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Well, it wasn't so important for me, because the game wasn't properly playable anyway and I was waiting for the next patch to come, and restarting the game usually solved the problem. This behaviour is definitely better than ships committing suicide etc., as seen in version 1.
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I voted yes but no Huge drop in FPS and it takes 15 to 20 minutes to just load a free roam! But great mission editor. :thumbs:
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Well as we have seen in your topic about the DLL errors, your computer is unfortunately below specs, and a bit aswell. So a few problems are to be expected unfortunately, that's not the game's fault.. :-\
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I love the sim and I love being able to be the "Captain" of my own cruise ship.
However, with v1.3, VStep left me, my crew, and my passengers stranded due to the panalopy of bugs.
With v1.3, my ship isn't going anywhere. =(
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yes Mad_Fred but it works on my xp ill post pics in the SSE pitcure topic to prove
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I am completely not satisfied with SSE
Because :
- It is totally bugged
- SS08 is better than SSE
- Don't want to play
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Hi guys,
For those who report a framerate drop since the 1.3 update, can you please tell us :
1. what is your in-game anti-aliasing level setting ?
2. have you tried reducing this anti-aliasing (starting from none, then trying one step higher, and so on) ? Can you please do that and tell us if your framerate drop is linked with the anti-aliasing ?
3. if you have in-game antialising enabled, have you set up your video card anti aliasing settings to 'managed by applications' ?
For me I checked my Nvidia settings and the it is set let the programme decide. In the game it was set to the lowest level and was shocking for FPS. I changed my settings to medium and it made the game somewhat playable but alas sparse on scenery.
Thanks.
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FPS is awful with patch 1.3.
Previously it was around 30 FPS with any vessels in any enviroment. Now it's between 5-15. Not good enough. >:( Playing SSE is now giving me headache because the screen is shuddering a lot due to poor FPS.
I have the most up-to-date graphic driver and in my Nvida settings, I let the application decide the best settings to use. Changing the settings to low quality, let Physix use my CPU or Graphic Card CPU did not make any difference. (then again why should I have to? It was the same settings as before - the only thing which was changed is the patch 1.3)
I am that close to chuck SSE and go back to playing SS2006 and SS2008 again.
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I am completely not satisfied with SSE
Because :
- Don't want to play
You said something simple and interesting: For me, satisfaction with a game is the capability to make someone wants to turn on the computer, fire the game and use your time for entertainment. As simple as it is. Without naming the bugs, at this point SSE don´t make me feel this way. It´s installed in my computer, but every time i look at SSE icon at my desktop i think: "naaahhh not now". :-\ The WOW!! factor is awayyyyy.
I completely agree with jeanfla in this matter.
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It's odd. I did the same: set Quality from High to Medium, let the game decide the AA for my nVidia card, it made no difference. Still 5-7 fps. Before the update, all was fine at 12-17 fps..
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It's odd. I did the same: set Quality from High to Medium, let the game decide the AA for my nVidia card, it made no difference. Still 5-7 fps. Before the update, all was fine at 12-17 fps..
Saltydog,
I think it is very obvious that something in the patch 1.3 has caused a such terrible FPS rate.
I sincerely hope Vstep will look into this as a matter of urgency.
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An if you put the graphics quality at the lowest possible, will you get more FPS?
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Saltydog,
I think it is very obvious that something in the patch 1.3 has caused a such terrible FPS rate.
I sincerely hope Vstep will look into this as a matter of urgency.
But if that would be a structural problem in the patch, then why is it not the same for everyone? We've seem some people with this drop in performance, but it's a minority really, so there's clearly something more at work here. It's not as simple as 'it's just the patch'. It's a combination of things.
Some players have whiped SSE from their computer, including running the unregister.exe first. After a totally new install, they are now experiencing better performance. You might wanna give it a try perhaps.
Most testers will start with a totally new fresh install each time a new build is tested. If you take into effect that almost none of us had this problem, maybe this patch requires a fresh install on some machines to clear something that's conflicting somehow. I'm no tecchie, just looking at it logically.
Backup your userdata so you don't lose all your progress and profile and try unregistering the game, then uninstalling completely, then installing a-fresh including the patch. And then run it as such. See if that works for you.
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Hi Mad_Fred,
I have aldready uninstalled SSE and reinstalled it - still made no difference. (I didn't do the unregister.exe thing - will do that and try again).
What I don't understand that up to patch 1.2.2, I was able to have FPS of around 30 (and sometimes 35-40 if playing a slow vessel) on same graphic settings, which was "medium" quality.
The only thing which has been changed is the patch 1.3 itself.
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Yes, so obviously there is a conflict somwhere indeed.
but, others do not report this problem. And even report and increase in performance. Or at least a game that runs relatively smooth.
So, where does one look for the culprit if it's not the same for everyone? :P
If you try the unregister, and also remove your savegames and profile during uninstallation to start with a totally fresh install (back up the userdata folder manually unless you dont mind losing it) then see what gives.
Fred
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Hi Mad_Fred
Unfortunately I am a member of this minority.
I have uninstalled SSE completely (including unregister.exe), but it didn't improve anything.
I have attached my dxdiag.txt again, so maybe you or some other clever guy can help me and find the reason for the bad performance AND fulty behaviour of SSE (which really only affects SSE - other Software, including simulations - runs smooth) on my machine.
SSE has always had a bad performance and a strange behaviour for me - regardless of the version.
Thanks in advance
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Yes, so obviously there is a conflict somwhere indeed.
but, others do not report this problem. And even report and increase in performance. Or at least a game that runs relatively smooth.
So, where does one look for the culprit if it's not the same for everyone? :P
If you try the unregister, and also remove your savegames and profile during uninstallation to start with a totally fresh install (back up the userdata folder manually unless you dont mind losing it) then see what gives.
Fred
Mad Fred.
Where do I send the box of beer to? Just as you said it worked fine for me.
I will put what I did down step by step.
1 Unregistered SSE using tool in SSE folder.
2 Uninstalled game and got rid of all player settings when asked.
3 restarted computer.
4 Installed SSE 1.1 onto computer.
5 installed patch to computer.
6 ran game and registered it.
7 Sat back and looked at the cool textures and awesome frame rates!
Thanks Fred. Sorry gotta go have a ship to drive! :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
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Oh no! Even Aad isn't satisfied - one off the most patient forum members.
This is indeed an alarm signal.
To Whom It Cocerns:
Gentleman,
I really don't care to re-install the game once in a while. But to re-install it over and over again because a crash appears after playing just one mission/sailing once in Free Roaming is to much to expect, even for a fairly patient person like I am.
In the attachement You can find two screenshots. The first one with an slightly acceptable error, the second one seconds prior to the crash.
The crash dump file as well a my DXDiag are attached too.
I really hope that one of the developers of the game will have a look at the crash dump file and tells me what's wrong. Either with the game or with my computer.
In the meantime the ShipSimulator v1.3.0 build 1054 with it's Extreme annoying Errors, is on my NTP (Not To Play) List.
Kind Regards
Aad
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Hi Aad
You're a victim of exactly the same errors as me - I know these pictures too well. When looking at other screenshots of yours, I noticed that your framerate even seems to be a little bit lover than mine - but at least similar.
While reading your dxdiag I noticed two main similarities concerning our computers:
We both have an AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor: You have a 5000+, I have a 6000+
We both have a Nvidia midde class grapics card, yours is a bit newer than mine (see my dxdiag some posts earlier).
Maybe these informations can help locating the fault? At least the developers should have a look at it.
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Follwing Mad Fred's suggestion, I have completely uninstalled SSE and ran unregister.exe and then re-installed SSE again.
The improvement was only very marginal, from 15 FPS to 20-21 FPS, although the screen remains 'jerky' and FPS goes down like a lead balloon when vessels are turning (sometimes down to 5 FPS).
I did play a free roam in SSE v1.0 using Coastguard vessel "Protector" in the Dover enviroment and FPS was between 28-30.
When I installed patch 1.3 I then played free roam as above, and the FPS dropped to 19-20. Same boat, same enviroment, same settings etc.
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I did it too - uninstalled an d reinstalled for the 5th time - or the 10th?
No improvement at all - 7-8 fps in the first core mission in Hamburg. But at least i could make the bugsier 2 move ...
Please, developers, have a look at mine and Aad's dxdiags attached some posts earlier - we have got similar processors and graphics cards and the same problems. Maybe this fact can help solving the problems.
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The POR thruster controls are gone screwy now...not sure y...only happened ater 1.3 patch.
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To Whom It Cocerns:
Gentleman,
I really don't care to re-install the game once in a while. But to re-install it over and over again because a crash appears after playing just one mission/sailing once in Free Roaming is to much to expect, even for a fairly patient person like I am.
In the attachement You can find two screenshots. The first one with an slightly acceptable error, the second one seconds prior to the crash.
The crash dump file as well a my DXDiag are attached too.
I really hope that one of the developers of the game will have a look at the crash dump file and tells me what's wrong. Either with the game or with my computer.
In the meantime the ShipSimulator v1.3.0 build 1054 with it's Extreme annoying Errors, is on my NTP (Not To Play) List.
Kind Regards
Aad
Maybe you can use a lower resolution? Like 1024*768?
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I don't seem to understand this, this patch meant to fix alot of things yet again it caused more trouble to most members on the forum. When you guys decided to purchase SSE were you fully aware of the system requirements? By the sound of things 85% of members are in trouble and 15% no worries, great patch well be waiting for the next one.
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By the sound of things 85% of members are in trouble and 15% no worries,
I believe that a much lower percentage is in trouble (but it still is too much - especially because I belong to this part) while the majority runs SSE without problems.
The fact that most people, who are satisfied, will not post their satisfaction here, but unsatisfied people will post or have a look here in order to get help probably suggests that most players have lots of trouble.
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Yes, the % is much much lower. For the troubled ones that is.
If you count the number of people that post here about problems, and look at how many games are sold and how many new extremes users have registered on the forum, yet not posted about problems.. it's more like 3-5% problems, if that.
And of those, some are indeed to do with pc's that aren't up to the task perhaps, or software that produces a conflict somewhere, etc.
That doesn't mean though that Vstep isn't working very hard to solve them.
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Have something found out.
run unregister.exe
uninstall all of the game incl. profiles and settings
Install Game.
Start game, insert key, create an profile.
Install patch 1.3
Restart PC
Do not playback your backup profile!
Only move profile.xml and rankings.xml
Try gaming ;)
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Well, haven't posted yet I have now to. I don't know the percentage but I think I'm not the only one who HAS the same problems as the most guys complaining here. I only think there's no use to recomplain the things that have been said over and over again.
But to keep statistics better: I'm one more user who has bad performance, fps at around 5 with no AA, no matter of high resolution graphics or poor one. No crashes so far, but re-installation didn't bring any solution, and my graphic card is as well working with maximum 45 %, CPUs as well. Before I had around 25 fps, SS2008 is still running with 25 fps.
Regards from Germany
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I must admitt this goes for me too... just for the percentage ;)
I´ll keep calm and wait for the next patch.. perhaps - pleeease - with a working hovercraft this time :angel:
Best wishes,.. and keep up your hopes... they will get it up and running! :thumbs:
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Yes, the % is much much lower. For the troubled ones that is.
If you count the number of people that post here about problems, and look at how many games are sold and how many new extremes users have registered on the forum, yet not posted about problems.. it's more like 3-5% problems, if that.
And of those, some are indeed to do with pc's that aren't up to the task perhaps, or software that produces a conflict somewhere, etc.
That doesn't mean though that Vstep isn't working very hard to solve them.
About 55% satisfied, about 45% Not satisfied. Have a look at the poll, if you please.
But now about the "pc's that aren't up to the task perhaps, or software that produces a conflict somewhere"
That must then only be true with patch 1.3.0 , because with the ld patch, v1.2.2 I had just 1 (ONE) crash sice I installed it.
We were told that the developers were working on the solution about the bad performance. But all is going worse instead of better.
Fred, You know that I respect you and Your work You're doing here on the Forum. So the next lines are not addressed to You personally. WhenI get a crash, and in the message I'm asked to send in the crash dump file "so that developers can do something with it" , what exactly are they doing with those dump files? Print them out and take the paper with them to the smallest room in their home?
Whenever I feel to it I'll try one more fresh installation as suggested, complete with unregister etc etc. and then start all over again.
But when this brings no solution, I serious think about to ask VSTEP for a refund and keep to SS 08.
Most Kind Regards
Aad
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Hi Aad,
Well polls never paint a clear picture, that's a fact. For the same reason that there's always more attention to the negative side of things than the positive. Polls are a nice feature on a forum, but not a reliable source to make such claims with I am afraid. Cause it's not including all the players/customers that are out there.
Also, a lot of people are putting 'not satisfied' down because a patch didn't have X,Y,Z in it, which wasn't even in the release notes. So expectations above the reasonable also taint the outcome. :P
If you look at registered new users, versus complaining customers, that's a much more reliable source. Cause why would someone register here and NOT complain, if there was reason to. So I stand by my assesment. But that does not mean, again, that those with the problems, shouldn't be helped.. on the contrary, it's been made priority.
And well, I don't know what they do with those files, they take the info and try to figure out how to solve the problem. It'll serve a function, and not just to get through a sitting in the smallest room.. :P
At this moment, they are looking into your particular problem. I've relayed some of the information to them myelf this morning, aswell. Martijn, among others, is looking into it. They are aware, they are trying to get you the answers you need!!!
If you do find the will to make your fresh install, please try it first without keeping your old data intact. (but do backup the folder manually, cause I really do think you CAN reinsert a few things, like profile and savegames, later) But best to try a total unregistration/uninstall and a fresh start with no old date whatsoever.
Some other members have had success with this. And if they selectively pick out just those files and put them back in, they lose no progress.
Again, this is a priority case now. None of the testers have really suffered from this problem, but we do almost always start with a totally fresh install ourselves too, after a change. But it shouldn't be so that 'normal players' have to do that too, and so they're working hard on a possible fix for this!!
Thanks for your kind words, and I wish I had more for you Aad, and rest assured that no one at Vstep is happy with this situation either of course.. they really want you and all the others, to enjoy the game without these problems.
Kind Regards,
Fred
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At this moment, they are looking into your particular problem. I've relayed some of the information to them myelf this morning, aswell. Martijn, among others, is looking into it. They are aware, they are trying to get you the answers you need!!!
Well, I hope they will find the solution, because I'm sure that when they have found the reason for Aad's trouble, they've found the reason for mine as well. As our problems are nearly the same, I'm pretty sure that they're caused by the same thing ...
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I just finished the complete re-install and I must admit that a clean install solved the crah-problem. Even the extreme (what's in a name) dropping of the Framerate seems to be solved. Although not completly.
For instance: Driving the Cutter at daytime in the Antarctic gives me a Framerate of 15FPS with no controls and no map visible (1) in v1.0 With controls and map visible (2) the Framerate goes down to 14 FPS and with a (rotating) radar (3) it drops to 12 FPS. All in v1.0
In v1.3 the Framerates are a bit lower (1) = 11 FPS, (2) = 10 FPS and (3) with a static radar = 9 FPS
At the same time, with v1.3, I noticed something strange. When running the Cutter with full throttle I hit the TAB key to switch to a screen without those controls and map/radar and suddenly the engines went to idle mode with the throttle levers at 100% !? Trying to 'restart' the engines by means of the Arrow Up key didn't resolve the problem. Only with mouse control I got the power back on.
Not sure If somebody else had the same experience, but couldn't find this particulair problem mentioned.
I als don't know if this is only with the Cutter, 'cause beside that vessel I only tried the Sigita. She has no stopping engines when I hit TAB
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That`s right. It`s a bug, I reported it in the bugthread. I`m not sure of it`s only the cutter, but I read somewhere that the Sherpa has the same problem.
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I don't seem to understand this, this patch meant to fix alot of things yet again it caused more trouble to most members on the forum. When you guys decided to purchase SSE were you fully aware of the system requirements? By the sound of things 85% of members are in trouble and 15% no worries, great patch well be waiting for the next one.
Trust me, my PC meets more than the system requirements. I've had no problem with SSE, and was able to play it without any problems at all.
It was not until I installed patch v1.3 that I had my first ever app crash and a noticable drop in performance, loading times and FPS.
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belive me or not 100% statisfied (mostley becuase of the editor wich is lamer then the one from ss08 (ss08's was better) lol) :2thumbs:
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Well, my enthusiasme concerning the reasonable FPS is down the drain, or should I say down the Hudson River?
In the mission Dangerous Fire I got no higher then 5 FPS, and that only with all controls and the map switched off. With them both switched on I was lucky with 3 - 4 FPS. Goodbye Smooth Sim, welcome Slide Show :evil:
This (http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,23507.msg310959.html#msg310959) experimantal tweak boosted my FPS with 20 %, YES Twenty Percent. Off course, an improvement with 20 % at a framerate of 5 FPS means only 1 FPS more, but it's a start.
Thanks to Denis
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Well, my enthusiasme concerning the reasonable FPS is down the drain, or should I say down the Hudson River?
In the mission Dangerous Fire I got no higher then 5 FPS, and that only with all controls and the map switched off. With them both switched on I was lucky with 3 - 4 FPS. Goodbye Smooth Sim, welcome Slide Show :evil:
This (http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,23507.msg310959.html#msg310959) experimantal tweak boosted my FPS with 20 %, YES Twenty Percent. Off course, an improvement with 20 % at a framerate of 5 FPS means only 1 FPS more, but it's a start.
Thanks to Denis
Hi Aad,
In that mission I only managed 11 FPS, the worst I have ever came across. :(
I tried to change my screen resolution from 1680x1050 (60Hz) to 1360 x 768 (60Hz), it made no difference.
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Somewhere somebody suggested to get the colour down from 32 bit to 16 bit. "You'll hardly notice any difference" that guy said. Well, I tried it and guess what? No grey smoke plumes out of the Cutters exhaust pipes but black squarish shapes. So, that was once and never again.
PS
Till now I've seen non enviroment so thirsty for FPS then New York Harboour. Especial with v1.3.0
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I was curious, you know the radar right how it has the line moving around in a 360 degree motion, after I switch to the radar, it circles once and then It dissapears. Also, yup the radar dose work inside the cabiin but not quite. After you press tab or a button to remove everything off your screen to get a better simulation feeling, the chart and the radar stop updating you where you are
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belive me or not 100% statisfied (mostley becuase of the editor wich is lamer then the one from ss08 (ss08's was better) lol) :2thumbs:
Lars, I’m curious why you think the SS08 mission editor is better. It is certainly simpler—almost to the point of being a no-brainer—because it is so limited in its capabilities compared to SSE.
SS08 is strictly linear in that a limited number of pre-built waypoint types must be completed in strict order, along with some hidden triggers that all must be hit. There is no possibility for alternative paths to success, or for optional triggers that need not be hit. For instance: You can’t penalize the player for cutting a buoy by using a damage_engine trigger because the mission can’t be completed unless he hits it.
SSE has vastly greater possibilities for interesting and challenging missions. It does lack some important features needed in constructing very long missions, but they can be added later—they are all readily accommodated by the architecture.
Regards,
Marty
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No - still runs slow and my machine is not a bad spec.
First time I ran the game , 1st mission, and after 45 mins the game crashed!
Looking like the same old problems still at the moment.
I will also be loading the file to get black icons back on the chart for my vessel - whose idea was that to make it nearly invisible? Doh!
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Hi,
why isn´t it possible to run more than one vessel in free roam at the same time? In the missions this is possible and we can switch between the vessels. Than we could make simple missions without an editor? Just put e.g. the pilot boat, tug boat and the main vessel in one free roam port in several places and I would be satisfied in many cases.
cheers
Ingo
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Lars, I’m curious why you think the SS08 mission editor is better. It is certainly simpler—almost to the point of being a no-brainer—because it is so limited in its capabilities compared to SSE.
SS08 is strictly linear in that a limited number of pre-built waypoint types must be completed in strict order, along with some hidden triggers that all must be hit. There is no possibility for alternative paths to success, or for optional triggers that need not be hit. For instance: You can’t penalize the player for cutting a buoy by using a damage_engine trigger because the mission can’t be completed unless he hits it.
SSE has vastly greater possibilities for interesting and challenging missions. It does lack some important features needed in constructing very long missions, but they can be added later—they are all readily accommodated by the architecture.
Regards,
Marty
i have no brain.... and becuase im used to the one of ss06 and 08
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im not satifide as it crashes my computer
i will change mine mind if there is a patch it fix it as ive spent over £60 on the game
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But is that substantiated or is your pc not up to it perhaps? :-\
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Seems to me that this game have higher requirements then CoD Black Ops , but the graphic is not good at all.
I run black ops all high at 50FPS , extremes gives me 15FPS....something is wrong!
Game is batter then SS2008 with all new features but it had very lame performances so I will stick to SS2008 until Vstep fixes framerate cause you can't play normaly with 10-15 framerate.
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I also tried the "un-register" thing, uninstalled the game, re-installed it and 1.3 update.
Alas, no joy. I still have 5-7 fps. Also the game crashes at the end of loading.
I have found that it doesn't crash when you start the game from the VStep folder on C:, so I have made a fastlink to that. It's too early to say if it will prevent crashing later on, but for the moment, it works (knock on wood)
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1.22 all my controls worked now there's a bug in the throttles and the thruster. Thrusters on many ship won't zero out. Cartengenas Delight wont't throttle properly. That the problems i've seen so far.
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Hi,
I was satisfied with SS06, very satisfied with SS08 and now totally unsatisfied and disappointed with SSE and especially with the 1.3 "update" !
I certainly was one of the first customer who has downloaded the first version of it with directly the first big and now well known problem of the "black screen", because of the running antivirus (Norton) service. This was the very first time I had to desactivate the antivirus prior to the installation of a new game !
Since the beginning there is a lot of bugs and unexplained crashes which had never occured with the previous versions.
Although my machine easily should be able to handle the game like all the other simulators I have (MS Flight Simulator 2004 and X, X-Plane, Trainz 2010, the excellent Sail Simulator 5, Virtual Skipper 5, All versions of Need For Speed etc...), with an average frame rate of 25-35 fps, the frame rate for SSE remains dramatically low (7-10 fps) wich does'nt permit to play with it !
As my pc doesn't have any of the above mentioned problems with other software - including flight, train, driving simulations and other sailing simulators- and runs the other software than SSE fast and smooth, I don't believe too that the faults are to be found in the PC, but rather in the software. SSE ran very slowly before updating and even worst now.
As this has been already mentioned, with version 1.22 all my controls worked and now there's a bug with the throttles and the thruster. Thrusters on many ship won't zero out. Cartengenas Delight wont't throttle properly.
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Considering the poor graphical performances with SSE I must say that it was absolutely not the case with SS08 and of course the "old" SS06 ! I also have very good graphical performances (frame rate of about 30 fps) with the Sail Simulator 5 from Stentec wich has, following me, a better (maybe the best) water resolution than SSE and with Virtual Skipper too !
So what is the problem with this version? Was it so difficult to adapt the previous SS08 version with the new interesting features and new ships of SSE ? The upgrade from SS06 to SS08 didn't cause so many problems.
For me the biggest interesting aspect of this kind of software is their ability to simulate the real world and it seems absolutely impossible to realize that with a frame rate of about 5-10 fps !
Kind regards.
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Ahoy tdaloze,
Are You sure that Your machine is fully equipped for SSExtremes? Minimal Requirements are a 3 GHz Processor, You'rs is just above 2.1
Your Video Card seems to be OK 'cause you run Win 7, With any other OS you would be under specs too 'cause Your Video Card shares 1 GByte Mem.
Not to sure about all this, but if Vin_Sun sees your post he can tell you more.
BTW, comparing SSExtremes with all the other programs makes no sense, 'cause all ShipSim versions are using a completly different gamemachine (QuestViewer) then those other games You mentioned.
Kind Regards
Aad the Pirate
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Hi Aad and thank you for the answer.
Ok for your remark about the comparison with the other simulators I play with but why so a big difference between SS08 and SSE in terms of graphical performances. Is the version of "Questviewer" different than the previous one ? Nevertheless I have always considered Flight simulator X as THE reference for testing graphical performances. As I get a frame rate of 35-40 fps with it I don't intend to update my PC now only for SSE ! What about Sail Simulator 5 from Stentec ? Did you ever see their incredible water resolution without any loss of performances ?
If it is possible for them why not for V-Step ? Maybe they should collaborate toghether ...
Kind regards.
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Perhaps this program is usefull: http://cyri.systemrequirementslab.com/CYRI/
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The difference in performance has little to do with the speed of rendering graphics. SSE has to do a massive amount of computation in the CPU before the graphics system can begin to render each frame.
This inter-frame processing load is much greater than in FSX or any other game that I have seen.
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...hard to believe because the graphics does not look any better than fsx.
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Mafia2 ist running very well on my Laptop.
Take look at that grafics.
SSE is a slideshow against Mafia2
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I think the major reason SSE looks poor for some people is because of the game engine that is used by the game itself. SH5, FSX,MAFIA II etc. have a very powerful game engine which as you said and others is able to deliver spectacular detail if you have a good rig. When they were about to release the game, they had ultra realistic bow wakes, but they cut down due to performance reasons, not even sure if they will make the wakes as good as they meant to be. And there are a ton more features I think have been left out because of this, I'm not sure why they used this game engine, the game puzzles me everyday
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I have desktop with Intel core 2 quad 2.4 Ghz, GeForce 8800GT \ 1024 mb, 4Gb, Win 7 x64.
I play at a 1920x1080 and all high. I have 35-40FPS.
I'm satisfied by 70%. I would like to see lights on the bridge and that i could switch on\of the radio.
I can't decide some problems with sounds. Sometimes i hear only the sound of the waves but sound of the engine dissapears.
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Perhaps this program is usefull: http://cyri.systemrequirementslab.com/CYRI/
I tried this site. It said that my computer should easily be able to run the game. See attached screenshot (looks good, doesn't it?). Unfortunately with a frame rate at 6-10 i can NOT confirm that.
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The framerates are mostly very low when I am playing in a Multiplayer environment. If I am alone in an MP environment, my FPS is about 10 to 12 FPS, but when more players have joined the MP server, my framerate collapses to 5 or 6 FPS. The CPU has to calculate the positions and movements of other players in the MP environment.
In generally these problems with low FPS'es are more pronounced in Multiplayer environments.
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Hi Aad concerning your post of yesterday :
Ahoy tdaloze,
Are You sure that Your machine is fully equipped for SSExtremes? Minimal Requirements are a 3 GHz Processor, You'rs is just above 2.1
Your Video Card seems to be OK 'cause you run Win 7, With any other OS you would be under specs too 'cause Your Video Card shares 1 GByte Mem.
Not to sure about all this, but if Vin_Sun sees your post he can tell you more.
BTW, comparing SSExtremes with all the other programs makes no sense, 'cause all ShipSim versions are using a completly different gamemachine (QuestViewer) then those other games You mentioned.
Kind Regards
Aad the Pirate
Hi Aad. Now I'm totally sure that my pc meets the minimal requirements (please see the attached file).
So I confirm what I said yesterday evening : " I don't believe too that the faults are to be found in the PC, but rather in the software".
Kind regards.
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i have not been able to try the patch but im sure the game will crash, it runned fair without any patches, a slower frame rate at the first patch, and it already was slow, so i think the latest patch ain't gonna do good on this PC then.