Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator Extremes => General discussions => Topic started by: chouby-20 on September 16, 2010, 10:52:35
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Hello everybody,
when are we expected to get the new patch?
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Hello everybody,
when are we expected to get the new patch?
Good question, well asked. (as he sits back and waits for the flames!).
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Hello everybody,
when are we expected to get the new patch?
When it will be released ;D
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This is amazing,
there's been spoken on the forum about patches,and the first question appears allready when the patch(es)comes out.
This is the answer for now,untill today there is no date knowned,also what will be repaired first with that patch.
We will keep you posted when and how this will come out.
So the answer is "We dont know"keep an eye on the forum to.It will be announced.
Marc
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Take the old "Duke Nukem Forever"-Statement "When it's done :captain:
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http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,21197.0.html
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Yippee!!!! thanks for the info Frank
REgards
Metman
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This is amazing,
there's been spoken on the forum about patches,and the first question appears allready when the patch(es)comes out.
This is the answer for now,untill today there is no date knowned,also what will be repaired first with that patch.
We will keep you posted when and how this will come out.
So the answer is "We dont know"keep an eye on the forum to.It will be announced.
Marc
I told you there would be flames.
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I see no flames. :doh: Just what I suspect is a lot of smiling faces. ;D I bet you did not expect such a fast response sydmichel. :evil:
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look at franks link again he edited it
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I can see the new patch don't fix my Black Screen problem... So then i have to wait and try to reinstall all again...... and again...... and again.... just in different ways....
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Hmmm..I was hoping there would be an improvement in the Red Eagle controls.. :-\
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Hmmm..I was hoping there would be an improvement in the Red Eagle controls.. :-\
Nope
nor Freedom 90 hover...
nor return of the Camera
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On the other hand there are quite a few good things being fixed...
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True..It all looks good.. Anyway, let's hope they surprise us and fix Red Eagle and Hovercraft.. ;D
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Hoy,
I'm sure it will be fixed to,in an next patch.It maybe takes some time to make a patch.
Regards
Marc
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Thanks marc, I sure hope so.. ;)
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Will the Multiplayer issues about the crashing servers be adressed in this new patch and will a compass-card be included in the upper rightmost map?
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some nice things will be fixed looks likes its getting better :2thumbs: now just waiting for them to bring back the dual screen/split screen/dual monitor support option :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
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Is it possible to exclude a cupple of things in the new patch?
Like to turn of the Vhf-chatter, which I would like to have, if, it came with at radio function that you could talk with other ships, for example tell the captain on a big ship what you like him to do when you tug the ship, and that message could be played up, and that would also been a great extra thing to have controle over.
And that it should turn up the speed in walk-throw on stairs. I found it realistic that it took longer time to walk up a stair than running forward.
Or do I have to take all or nothing?
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Hi wiqvist,
Some of it is 'all or nothing' but other things are optional, like indicated, the AI traffic for example.
The VHF chatter can be turned on or off aswell, for those that do not like to hear it, or want to turn it down or off where it's not appropriate. (you wouldn't expect too much 'harbour chit chat' when sailing in Antarctica, for example).
An interactive radio menu with selectable messages to send, that's not in the making unfortunatly. It was suggested before, on occasion. But nothing concrete on such a system ever really emerged. I'd personally like that too.
As for the stairs, I agree it's more realistic to be slower on stairs that on a flat equal surface. However, I must say, for me personally, it became annoying after a while, to want to go to a certain spot of a ship to get my eyes on a docking manouvre or something like that, and be seriously slowed down by a bunch of stairs. :doh:
So it's not too bad for me, but still a good point, the old way was more realistic. :)
Regards,
Fred
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Thank you for a great answer Fred. Well, I hope it not will be too much speed up, if that will happen it better to rename the view to fly around mode. I consider this change as another step backwards. There are few things in the game which are close to reality, this was one of them, and now it will taken away, another step away from simulation. Of cource so is this my personal view, and I understand your points, a solution could may had been to add an extra cam view so it became 4.
I hope when the visuals now are being more and more perfect(most udates in this patch is about visiual effects(most , not all)), it will be some more focus on develope the simulation effects of controling the ships.
This could may be something to think about in future patches, the possibility to choose which updates the single player like to use. Cause for some are not everything in updates, updates. Some are a 'downdate',hihi. Like this walk thing which now will become less realistic for me and a good thing for others.
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hi. Like this walk thing which now will become less realistic for me and a good thing for others.
Don't worry ... the move in the stairs are still slow enough to be realistic, just a little faster so that they're not boring any more. If you find them too fast (which I doubt), you still can move without using the Shift (run) key ...
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Denis, this is of cource not a big thing. I was more suprised that this was included in this patch at al, cause there are so many other things.
And about your answer to me, I do not think you got my point. Cause you see, I do not worry at all about this, so you do not need to defend this change anymore. I will try to explain to you what I tried to say with it. For me so is this walk around mode not boring, as you say it is for you. For me will this change be boring, so if you now try to see it with my eyes so will you see another side of it, not just your own. And to solve such problems for the future coming updates, so do I suggest that it may could be a choice what each single like to include to install. Hope you understand now, and if not, so please ask. My grandfather teached me that it always better to ask a person what he ment instead of making your own conclusions, cause they will most often be wrong. And I found that wise.
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Dont worry about the voip/radio comms almost all programs that have build in voip like Battlefield bad company 2 suck anyways people still prefer to use teamspeak/ventrilo beleave me you dont want to hear some kid yelling and not able to make him be quiet with teamspeak/ventrillo you can have on the ppl you want to talk to in your room...built in voip dosent work good no sense in even trying to incorporate it in to any games when these programs works flawlessly(sp? i dont care anyways) and are free to go download one and start chatting today :2thumbs: btw i dont work for either one of them :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
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Hoy,
When on multiplayer,you can use maybe the "teamspeak"system.Than you dont need the radio(VHF),because you speak by microphone,and the rest can here you.This makes it more realistic when playing.
Marc
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"Added functionality when in walkthrough mode, secondary ship controls are available" - what does it mean?
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It means you have some keys you can use to control the ship while in walkthrough mode (i guess so)
For example: I, K, J and L
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Hi Andrej,
Can you please register your license key here on the forum so we can answer your question better :)
Thanks!
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"Added functionality when in walkthrough mode, secondary ship controls are available" - what does it mean?
It means that the secondary control method you might choose, like a joypad or a joystick or a steering wheel, which normally only worked in Helmsman camera, will also work in walkthrough mode.
So that you can control the vessel other than with the mouse and the on-screen controls overlay, when in walkthrough.
Fred.
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That should come in handy..
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What ship is Billy Green? :)
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a Greenpeace RHIB
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It means that the secondary control method you might choose, like a joypad or a joystick or a steering wheel, which normally only worked in Helmsman camera, will also work in walkthrough mode.
So that you can control the vessel other than with the mouse and the on-screen controls overlay, when in walkthrough.
Fred.
Thanks for clarifying that Fred.. I thought it might mean you could use controls found in walkabout mode, like the bridge-wing controls on the Vermaas.. :)
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Hmm... good point. ::)
I'd have to inquire to further clarify.
In Nautis, it was introduced as 'your controller also works in walkthrough', which was not te case in SS08, as you no doubt know. :)
But what you say makes sense too, and was also requested for SSE. It could be a case of 'same phrase, different meaning'. :-\
I'm not on the main pc so I can't check atm, but will do so when I get a chance.
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a Greenpeace RHIB
Thx for answer! :)
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No problem! :thumbs:
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i thought you can use tab button and steer the ship(with on screen pop-up) no matter what view your are in...it works on mine (maybe im misunderstanding?)
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In Nautis, it was introduced as 'your controller also works in walkthrough', which was not te case in SS08, as you no doubt know. :)
So have I understood this right?
Does it mean that I can steer the ship with a gamepad, in the walk-around mode, in the same way I can as in helmet- and externalmode?
If so, can I drop this update too?
Cause as I see it soo is also this at step away from simulation of reality. If I am the captain or piloting a ship and choose to walk on another place on a ship so can I not use the wheel and power controles when I walk around. I thought walkaround mode is what the name say.
I can of cource just not using it, and this is just a small detail. But it all this small unrealistic details, added together, which are turning the game further and further away from being a simulator game.
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@Wiqvist,
The benefit of having this option, is that you can use your joystick, gamepad or ship control unit while you stand on the bridgewing. Besides that you can also use them on the Bugsier 2 while you are standing on the aft console overlooking the tow. In my humble opinion, that brings some extra realism in the game.
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Btw, what does ''improved ocean performance'' mean? Are we gonna get more FPS?
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So have I understood this right?
Does it mean that I can steer the ship with a gamepad, in the walk-around mode, in the same way I can as in helmet- and externalmode?
If so, can I drop this update too?
Cause as I see it soo is also this at step away from simulation of reality. If I am the captain or piloting a ship and choose to walk on another place on a ship so can I not use the wheel and power controles when I walk around. I thought walkaround mode is what the name say.
I can of cource just not using it, and this is just a small detail. But it all this small unrealistic details, added together, which are turning the game further and further away from being a simulator game.
Uhm.. but in real life, you have 'eyes on the situation' that are in contact with the bridge. The directions/observations indirectly help manouvre the ship, do they not? In game, this can't be done, cause you're all alone. So this is a necessary trade-off, to achieve what can't be done, but what should be able to work, to have both the ship under someone's control, and someone's (or more thanone person's) eyes on the important spots.
Unless you can play with several players on one ship to do the several tasks it takes to manouvre a ship, you need some system to take it's place. It's more realistic, not less. Just imagine you are several people.. imagine you have the eyes of the observer, the brain of the skipper and the hands of the helmsman. ;D
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I'm not sold on this..In theory you could then steer the ship sitting on a deck chair by the pool on the aft deck..
It would make much more sense to only be able to use the secondary controls, such as on the bridge-wings on some ships..
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Yes but it's not always only just the bridge wings that crewmembers give their feedback from, ofcourse. And a skipper can issue orders no matter where he is, aswell.
And if the captain is in the deckchair at the pool, and uses his handheld to tell the helmsman to execute a certain manouvre, would the helmsman say 'no sir, I won't do that, cause you're sitting at the pool'? ;D
Plus..not everyone wants to use the secondary/bridge wing controls with their mouse. Some people want to use the ship control unit, or have built their own controllers, or use joypads/sticks and the likes.
If you'd only be able to use the actual controls that are modeled there, it'd be restricted again. And you can already use the mouse in walkthrough anyway.
And many people have in the past requested this feature.. so the few people that think it's not realistic can just put the controller down, and not use it when they are walking about. Problem solved. :)
If that's a major issue for some people, and if it itches so badly that they simply can't ignore it, then maybe the problem isn't in the game itself. ;D
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A captain sitting at the bar, giving steering instructions..That could be interesting.. ;)
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'Another * hickup * round here, Isaac!'
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Coming right up, cap'n.. ;D
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I never liked the Love Boat, as a show.. but you gotta love Isaac, nonetheless. ;D
:2thumbs:
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Yeah..Another "Hard to Port" then..? ;D
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Double! As long as it's not on(to) the rocks! ::)
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No danger of that cap'n, we've been circling around here in the middle of the Atlantic for the past 3 hours.. ;D
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The we better plot a decent course and get this old lady back on topic. :doh:
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Hear Hear!! :2thumbs:
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So when late this week is the patch out I wonder?
Thurs?
Fri?
Sat?
Sun?
:captain:
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who said anything about this week, the announcement clearly stated next week ;D
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who said anything about this week, the announcement clearly stated next week ;D
:doh: I forgot the Golden Rule: "Always leave a get-out clause"!!!!
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who said anything about this week, the announcement clearly stated next week ;D
This is NEXT WEEK :evil:
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This is NEXT WEEK :evil:
Are you sure ??? ???
:lol: :lol: :lol: ;D ;D ;D :evil:
Marc
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Ship Sim Extremes Update v1.2 due this week! :thumbs:
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Ship Sim Extremes Update v1.2 due this week! :thumbs:
that is what I have been saying... :doh:
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yes it is this week.
But if I were to hazard a guess, I think it's going to be late this week.
My guestimation is Friday. (And then it can only get better, not worse, for the people that were expecting it on 9am on monday again, and don't understand that a week has 5 working days) :)
Fred
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@Wiqvist,
The benefit of having this option, is that you can use your joystick, gamepad or ship control unit while you stand on the bridgewing. Besides that you can also use them on the Bugsier 2 while you are standing on the aft console overlooking the tow. In my humble opinion, that brings some extra realism in the game.
And as you see so does it in my opinion not bring this game more of realism. I for sure understand your view and can see why you like this update, so you do not need to defend it more, we have different views on this thing. My main point was the question about if it could be made possible to choose not to install this part of the update?
I would like to choose which of this 'updates' I like to install, some do I like and some do I not like. So would it be difficult to make that choice?
It could be done like when the 'add's' were installed in SS 2008, like when I installed some of the missions the language changed to Dutch, and that did I not like, so I did not installed that part, but still I installed the new missions in the same add.
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Hi wiqvist,
No unfortunatly that's not going to be a feature in the patch, it's all or nothing.
But in this case, as I said before, just don't use your controller in walkthrough and imagine you have no input whatsoever. That should not change anything for you then. :)
I reckon the fact that you can use the controller of your choice when say, standing at ACTUAL controls on the bridge wing, is not unrealistic, cause.. the controls, are there to control. Easy as that. The same goes for working on the aft station of a tugboat, it's normal that you could control the ship from there, but you can't do that from helmsman mode, you need to be in walkthrough. How else are you going to do this in walkthrough then? With mouse? Isn't that the same thing, just with a different device?
If one only ever plays from helmsman position, how's one going to dock a big vessel perfectly? Do you use external cams and the keys or a controller or overlay controls to achieve this, or do you only ever play in first person mode and only ever steer from the helmsman position?
Not critisizing, just wondering what methods you are using. :)
Fred
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No unfortunatly that's not going to be a feature in the patch, it's all or nothing.
Yes I know this, as yoy can see in the thread so have another moderator already answered the same on the first page, maybe you did not understood what I ment. I know that this update will be all or nothing, so I bring this up as an idea/suggestion for future update/patches. So is it possible for future updates to give the user the choice which updates to install, as I suggested in the post above?
But in this case, as I said before, just don't use your controller in walkthrough and imagine you have no input whatsoever. That should not change anything for you then. :)
Yes, I stated this in the first post where I brought up this "controle-update". So why do you suggest this for me when I started with saying the same, may you did not read my whole post?
And to your question about which controles and camera position I use. So do I mostly use helmet mode and walkaround mode. I play with a wheel and a gamepad, as much as possible.
I have no interest to discuss if this update is giving the game more realism or is a step away from realism. We have different views on that, so there is no one who is right or wrong in this topic. I have brought up three things I do not like to install in this update, this three can more be seeing as example to give a reason to make it a choice which part of updates a person like to install.
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A “patch†or update replaces entire modules (dll or cgr) rather than making byte-level changes as was common in DOS.
Because more than one problem might be dealt with in a module, it is not feasible to have selective fixing of problems in an update. Having separate updates for problems is also difficult because installing one might undo changes made by another.
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About the time for the release of this update. I think we all had liked that this update should come as fast as possible, most of us prefer to get it yesterday. But, I would rather wait another month before Vstep release this second update, if it realy makes the game better. I hope this update is not a fast prodused one, to calm persons and full of more bugs and misses. So I realy hope that this update is tested a lot and not cause any trouble, cause if it do, even less persons would have any trust in the company. My personal trust in Vstep is for the moment very,very low, but that can be changed. So if some of you who test the update see one thing which should not be there, I hope that the update will delayed.
But of cource so do I hope that this update will work well for everyone.
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A “patch†or update replaces entire modules (dll or cgr) rather than making byte-level changes as was common in DOS.
Because more than one problem might be dealt with in a module, it is not feasible to have selective fixing of problems in an update. Having separate updates for problems is also difficult because installing one might undo changes made by another.
Mvsmith, I understand it when you talk about solving problems and bugs in the game, but such things as VHF-chatter, controles and other adds to the game, could they not be made as a choice if you like to install it or not?. Why was it possible in SS 2008 when we installed additional missions, there were often an oppurtunity to choose if you like the whole add or just some of it?
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Please have patience regarding the next patch, otherwise SSE2010 will get from bad to worse!
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so are we getting this patch before friday??? would be nice to try it before the weekend! :captain:
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Why was it possible in SS 2008 when we installed additional missions, there were often an oppurtunity to choose if you like the whole add or just some of it?
Because that was a completely different thing; it was not a bug fix, and did not involve replacing modules. It added files, which could be individually chosen.
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Yes, I stated this in the first post where I brought up this "controle-update". So why do you suggest this for me when I started with saying the same, may you did not read my whole post?
I thought I had to repeat myself since you obviously didn't read mine, where I elaborated on how it was perfectly realistic under the circumstances it is meant for and not different from any other control method you already might use. So you are entitled to keep repeating yourself, but I am not, you say? ;)
If you only want to get your own opinion in and totally disregard the validity of those of others, who in your eyes never seem to get your points, then there's indeed no use to further discuss it, perhaps. :P
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damn guys they are comming out with a new patch and now yall are ****** about the patch..come on guys
if i were vstep i would wait till next week now just for the hell of it
edited for language - Fred
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This comes from Frank VSTEP, what means this
NAUTIS for 250euro, instead of 4000euro:
Let me post on a side note that some users that come posting here expect the things you get in a €250K simulator in a €39.99 game. That is of course not going to happen, no matter how much we improve the game.
Frank
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Hi Krisostend,
the K stands for 1000. Just like with the Y2K thing, if you remember that. Which stood for Year 2-thousand.
so.. he meant a 250.000 (250,000 as some write it) Euro simulator. And that's not Nautis either, that's the 'top notch commercial systems'.
Which is what some people expect this game to be or become, and that never happens, indeed. :)
Fred
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so.. he meant a 250.000 (250,000 as some write it) Euro simulator.
Do I need glasses, I thought I saw 250,000Euros.
If my eyes aren't deceiving me, Holy ****! That almost the cost of my house in USD!!! :o :o :o :o :o
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soooo um. nothing about working on the performance issues for us who have FPS issues with decent computers?
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Yes there is actually. The improvement in the ocean system which should boost performance.
Though sometimes it's just down to how well a person is maintaining his pc. There's nothing a patch can do about that of course. ;D
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oh awesome. hahaha
and yes i understand the maintenance part. witch i do on a regular basis :P
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I thought I had to repeat myself since you obviously didn't read mine, where I elaborated on how it was perfectly realistic under the circumstances it is meant for and not different from any other control method you already might use. So you are entitled to keep repeating yourself, but I am not, you say? ;)
Sorry if I was unclear in that question. I did not say that you repeat your self as you do not have. What I asked was, why you repeated my own words back to me. In my first post I said that I can just look away from using the controles in this mode, and you answered me with my own words. Maybe you just missed that part of my first post. And I have already said that I understand your points.
If you only want to get your own opinion in and totally disregard the validity of those of others, who in your eyes never seem to get your points, then there's indeed no use to further discuss it, perhaps. :P
Please, if I have hurted some feelings of yours, tell me so and I will better me self. There is absolutly no need for you to treat a member like this. In my eyes so are the moderators here some form of represents of Vstep.
But I agree with you that it is no need for further discuss between you and me here around this topic. I also think that we discuss two different things. You seems to discuss wether this controle is realistic or not, something I do not bother so much about, and I trying to discuss if it possible or not to make it a choice to install all in an update or not.
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Because that was a completely different thing; it was not a bug fix, and did not involve replacing modules. It added files, which could be individually chosen.
Thank you for the answer. I understand this. But I wonder if for example the radiochatter in this new update is part of a bugfix or is it part of a replacing module?
If it is not, could such adds in the future be made possible to choose to install?
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Hi wiqvist,
Definitely, when you update a software, you update it, not only parts of it.
If you use a software version 1.1, then you update it to version 1.2, you can't have parts in 1.1, parts in 1.2 .... that would be a total non-sense.
It would not be possible to support software, where people would have only parts of updates, you would then have dozens of versions in parallel ... It's simply not conceivable.
About the specific point of radio chatter, I suppose it'll be like in SS 2008, where you can separately set the sound volume for it, before starting play.
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Denis, thank you for your answer.
Then could it may in the future be separate update files and separate add files? Just an idea.
(And well, about the example I used in that post(the radiochatter), so said another moderator something else last time I brought it up).
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I don't think this will be possible. As I said, it would be impossible to maintain different versions of the game. Moreover, don't forget Ship Simulator is a multiplayer game, which requires every player using exactly the same version, with the same features.
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Hi wiqvist,
You didn't hurt my feelings, at all. No worries. Nor did I mean to hurt yours.
I just looked at some of your posts and reached a conclusion. Only human as I am, I can be wrong, of course. ;D
Fred.
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By the process of elimination...
The patch must be out tomorrow... ::)
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Hmm, I'm impressed by your powers of elimination.. ;D
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Hmm, I'm impressed by your powers of elimination.. ;D
I aim to pleaseImpress ;D
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No kidding, Sherlock :doh:
Technicly this week is untill Saturday evening 23:59 local time ;)
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No kidding, Sherlock :doh:
Technicly this week is untill Saturday evening 23:59 lt ;)
yeah, but I doubt VSTEP work on Saturdays...
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Has anyone got a rough run down what this new patch will be bring to the table ::)
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Has anyone got a rough run down what this new patch will be bring to the table ::)
Frank said it all here
http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,21197.msg285517.html#msg285517
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Rogar that :captain:
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No kidding, Sherlock :doh:
Technicly this week is untill Saturday evening 23:59 local time ;)
You should know that in Europe a week starts on Monday, so both Saturday and Sunday is part of this week ;)
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Varies though...
but still Sat and Sun I doubt VSTEP work...
So sits and waits for the patch...
Though the STEAM patch probably will be done sometime in the distant future... :doh:
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I used to work for a Dutch owned company come Friday afternoon everything stopped and you would not get a peep out of them until Monday morning. It was only us Brits (the mugs) still working :lol: :lol:
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No kidding, Sherlock :doh:
Hi Menno, that isn't Sherlock. That is Inspector Clouseau played by Peter Sellars. ::)
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still waiting ???
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still waiting ???
Have patience my eager friend ;)
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There is only about 2 hours of work time left though...
15:40 in VSTEP land...
work finishes at 17:00...
And then the work-week is finished...
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Hi guys,
The patch has been postponed for a further week. See Frank's edited post here (http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,21197.0.html).
Regards,
Adam
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I knew Steam would be a problem...
http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,15515.msg287840.html#msg287840
http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,21194.msg287843.html#msg287843
I was right...
:doh:
Note to VSTEP: For ShipSim Extremes Version 2... PLEASE don't use Steam...
Many Thanks
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Sad .... :-\
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Still waiting... :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy:
/Markus
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waiting for what? You did see the announcement, I take it? ;)
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waiting for what? You did see the announcement, I take it? ;)
Waiting for the patch. :sleepy:
/Markus
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As Markus97 says in his post, :doh: he is in a deep sleep.
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Do we know when next week yet? First or second half?
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As Markus97 says in his post, :doh: he is in a deep sleep.
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
/Markus
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Do we know when next week yet? First or second half?
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? (x2)
/Markus
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You could try reading the announcement, it was linked to in this very topic right before you posted.
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Dum de dum..
Only 23 days till farm sim is out..
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You could try reading the announcement, it was linked to in this very topic right before you posted.
http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,21197.msg285517.html#msg285517 (http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,21197.msg285517.html#msg285517)?
/Markus
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Yep that one, indeed! :)
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The delay is only because steam or there is another factor? I nthe statement i can only read this motive.
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It's complicated but let's just say the synchronising of the releases is a major factor, yes.
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Yep that one, indeed! :)
Next week = This week, so tomorrow?
/Markus
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Tomorrow is still this week.
The week starts on monday. :thumbs:
So no, not tomorrow.
I reckon as soon as the Steam customers can be served, everyone will.
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Tomorrow is still this week.
The week starts on monday. :thumbs:
So no, not tomorrow.
I reckon as soon as the Steam customers can be served, everyone will.
On Sunday?
/Markus
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No..not this week, next week.
Starting monday, but not necessarily ón monday.
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Hey Markus,
Don´t worry to much. Let´s wait a little more. One more week is not going to kill anyone. You can play something else in the meantime like me!! It´s only a game after all.
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Tomorrow is still this week.
The week starts on monday. :thumbs:
So no, not tomorrow.
I reckon as soon as the Steam customers can be served, everyone will.
So sometime next month then, if the delay with the game is anything to go by... :doh:
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No..not this week, next week.
Starting monday, but not necessarily ón monday.
OK, I understand. We have to wait :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy:
/Markus
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You really push VSTEP in a loose/loose situation here Markus. You're annoyed that they postponed the patch, but if they released a rushed out patch you'd also be annoyed... ::)
I'm not saying this as a moderator, but as a shipsim fan. I've been playing the game since it was released in 2006. The very first version was only available in the German language, can you imagine that? The game won't be perfect after the next patch, it will take a few more. I don't really care about waiting an extra week, especially since we are already waiting for a long time for SSE :)
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You really push VSTEP in a loose/loose situation here Markus. You're annoyed that they postponed the patch, but if they released a rushed out patch you'd also be annoyed... ::)
Although your comment is right Ballast, as i understand reading the annoucment, the delay is only related to STEAM version and not about the patch been rushed itself. As i can understand the patch is already available internaly, and only the steam delay is been sorted out. I don´t think it´s fair for all of us as the weekend and the time to play something is near (the pre-purchase people including myself) BUT it´s reasonable to wait a little more.
My only desire is that this patch worth the time! Now going to play another thing. See ya next week!
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The only really, really, really annoying thing about that is...
I've got school Monday and more homework! :doh:
Hehe nah don't worry I'm just joking, there's no problem waiting a tad more I'm pretty patient really!
Of course it would have been nice for this weekend but I suppose thats life :)
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Do we know when next week yet? First or second half?
Mid October, and with some luck we'll see the mission editor before the end of the year :lol:
(hiding before I'm slapped by the mods)
Seriously, Steam is something they know about, and they should plan ahead for that too when they said this week. I think they got a problem or two with the patch, so let them get it fixed because we don't want to install even more bugs.
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I knew Steam would be a problem...
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I was right...
:doh:
Note to VSTEP: For ShipSim Extremes Version 2... PLEASE don't use Steam...
Many Thanks
It takes two to tango right?
Steam is a major corporate and it can be slow cause it handles thousands of games at the time, and if update-request is informed too late (like in seems to be in this case) it can't meet the unrealistic deadlines and so to be postponed.
SSE is the one and only Steam enabled product which I've ever encountered problems with publishing and updates, so maybe you're pointing your arrow to a wrong direction...
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Hi Guys
Sorry but I agree with meno V-Step lose for not giving you the patch They Lose if they
give you the patch witch as Frank stated (In order to achieve the best update possible)
We get it in the ear for defending v-step
If we can all use a bit of common sense 1 week to me is seven days so therefore I will expect the
patch next friday all being well,
Eric
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Maybe they decided to add TrackIR support so I don't have to command the ship like im in a necbrace!!!! (lol I know they won't but it's nice to dream) 8)
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SSE is the one and only Steam enabled product which I've ever encountered problems with publishing and updates, so maybe you're pointing your arrow to a wrong direction...
Well I wish I could say the same. :doh:
:)
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I don't mind waiting another week for v1.2 patch.
I would rather the guys at Vstep to make sure the v1.2 patch work properly, rather than rushing out the patch, only for us to find out it has caused more problems, which would then make it necessary for Vstep to do additional work to release patch v1.3 and so on.... :doh:
If my memory serves me correct, Vstep did once rushed out one of the patches for SS2008 which caused more problems than it's supposed to solve....sounds like Vstep have learnt their lessons this time (good for them).
Be patient guys!
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But that´s exactly the point. They aren´t rushing anything. The only problem as i see here is the delay with STEAM version. Not to do with the patch is rushed or not!!!
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Yes Bringing track ir back would be a nice touch..!!!
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oh i think will see the mission editor be the end of October,it might be delayed though, seeing as almost everything from VSTEP about ship sim extremes has been delayed, first the game was supposed to be out in june, but they postponed it to august and v1.2 is delayed, who knows we might be getting mission editor in november, maybe even december, oh well i don't really care for mission editor though
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Martman,
Why post such a pointless post? It baffles me why people moan and moan with no point to what they actually write.
If you think it is so easy, why not go and create your own simulator and release it on time when you say you will ;) :)
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HI martman
I working right now with the mission editor and try to learn it and test out things so it scale be good when it will bee realized, This editor have so many advance features that most be learned and totally different and that one in ss08.
we will have it to work before all get it and if you not will wait, OK do as Captain Spencer told you, make you own.
then you maybe will see how easy it is to make a good simulator and editor :doh:
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Martman101, I think you have a good point with what you are saying, as I read what you say so are you not complaining about anything, just state some facts. Everything has been delayed, that is how it is.
Captain spencer, I understand if you read what Martman say as a complain. But, have you never in your life complained about that you have had to wait for something or someone? If that is the case so do you have a mind of a munk. And I suppose that you are consequent in what you are saying, if someone complain that the train/buss/fly/boat/taxi/etc, so are you telling them that they could drive their own train/buss/fly/taxi/etc. And if you have to wait long time for your food at a restarurante, and tell the waiter/waitress that you have waited long time, so are you happy if they answer that you can go home and make your own food if you like it faster. If a restaurante should treat their customers like that so will not many person go back to that restaurant.
Maybe Vstep will learn of this one day, and not give a finish day before they realy know that it will be finished that day, and if they do not know, then not set a date. Then will some of cource complain why it is no date, but that is easy to answer: We do not know. Or Vstep could give a more unexact date.
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But would someone that complains about the bus being late, but who is not actually taking the bus, not be making a pointless remark then, you'd say?
And surely, the remark toward Captain Spencer then holds true for you too. And did you go and put 50 complaining posts on all the forums for all the products and services you have had to wait for, or were not satisfied with, in the past aswell then? Or just here? ::)
;)
A lot of people here must be quite new to the gaming scene, or not have followed many releases-to-be and their many predicted dates along the way. ;D
If they don't announce anything, people constantly moan that nothing is being communicated. And when they try to find a way in the middle and announce 'guestimations', then when they are not met, suddenly it's a 'broken promis' and hey presto, more moaning.
With people like some of you, that start to sound like a broken record, one can NEVER do right, anyway. No matter what, there will be complaints. Some of the stuff that's been argued about wasn't/isn't even factual and based on misgivings and misunderstandings. :doh:
Maybe you guys will learn some day too, that it's not a black & white, exact science, this developing, specially if you haven't got the budget and manpower that the big companies do, that are always dragged in as comparison. Apples and Oranges... ::)
Date not met? result; moaning.. Date met but because of it the game/patch is not finished? Result; moaning too. So what else is there left then? Hop in a time machine and go back to change it all? Or work as hard as you can to bring the customers patches to finish it? Any other ideas would be helpful! But guess what.. there's nothing else left to do now but be patient while they work hard to make it better. Or, get your refund, so you dont have to get so frustrated that you feel you have to keep repeating yourself till your blue in the face. ;D
It all comes down to those things. No ammount of complaining will make Vstep more aware of what they already know, I assure you. And they can't work much harder than they are working at the moment. And you'll just have to take our word for it, since we can 'look into the kitchen' from where we're sitting and assisting.
So either one is patient now and waits till the game gets better, or one gets his or her money back. There is nothing in between that can be done, and we've said so many times that the things the complainers complain about are being worked on, that it's just getting a bit silly with some of the members that just won't take that from us and think all we do is 'defending' Vstep.
It works both ways, gents. :thumbs:
Fred.
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Well said Fred. All this moaning and groaning is not getting the patch done any quicker. Why not just have a sticky thread by the 'Admin' giving us the present situation and if any other threads are started then they are closed by the moderators. I have never seen such a messy forum with so many duplicate threads which in many cases are pointless.
So as for the new patch let's just wait and see what we get.
A patience simmer
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I have never seen such a messy forum with so many duplicate threads which in many cases are pointless.
Do you really want a bland forum whos members resemble the 'Stepford Wives'. In my humble opinion, a bit of banter and some well thought out argument is what makes forums such as this more interesting and exiting to read.
As long as it does not get nasty and is well humoured, AND there is no Trolling, I believe even the poor mods must get some satisfaction out of comming up with a good well thought out counter argument to anyones complaint (especially when its not in their native language). I have learned quite a lot about SS08 & SSE by following the most heated discussions.
Anyway, what I am trying to say is that because this forum is sometimes "a bit messy with duplicate, pointless arguments" is precisley what makes it a very good read.
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"A lot of people here must be quite new to the gaming scene, or not have followed many releases-to-be and their many predicted dates along the way" - Fred
If anyone appears new to the gaming scene believe me its Vstep not the guys who shelled out 50 euros for beta software......
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Well, yes, Vstep is relatively new to the gaming scene, having mostly done other projects before that.
And in fact, doing better than many 'big names' did when they were comparably new to it themselves. ;D
But that was not my point. :P
Fred
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lol this is like a episode of "general hospital" or "one life to live" :2thumbs: i love it
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I am just busting balls Mr. Fred. Good luck with the patch I hope it works out for ya. :2thumbs:
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i think updateing the old post is worng thou @Frank .. we need proper information not the same post updated daily when it suits them.
In the last few weeks PC games have failed! brought 3 new games! all of which are not working properly and require patching!
you wouldnt buy a car and leave it on your drive for 4 weeks while they finish building it!
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Tomorrow? Or on Friday? :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy:
/Markus
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Sleep well Markus. ::)
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i think updateing the old post is worng thou @Frank .. we need proper information not the same post updated daily when it suits them.
In the last few weeks PC games have failed! brought 3 new games! all of which are not working properly and require patching!
you wouldnt buy a car and leave it on your drive for 4 weeks while they finish building it!
But you also don't pay 20.000 euros for a game ;)
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you wouldnt buy a car and leave it on your drive for 4 weeks while they finish building it!
That's a completely different topic although together, you cannot compare a car with a game.
This game has had its problems when it first came out and I agree there shouldn't have been however, at least VSTEP are doing something about the game rather than leaving it as it is! :)
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you wouldnt buy a car and leave it on your drive for 4 weeks while they finish building it!
Never heard of people that buy a car that isn't even built yet? I have...
My old boss had to wait nearly 6 months for the new Mercedes he bought.
And it needed to go back to the factory twice before he was happy with it.
Okay, it's not what you meant.... but oh well. :P :)
Fred.
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i paid enough for the game and had to wait 4 days to play it! due to various Steam problems
Thats just **** i mean i support vstep and i had quite a few of the SS games but comon whats on the box and screenies they put up is not what iv got.
Trading standards would probly see it my way! anyway.... suppose il wait a bit longer to have fixes and a patch.
* Edited for language - Fred
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Sleep well Markus. ::)
I'm ZZZ... zzzlepping :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy:
/Markus
(Answer, please, on Friday?)
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You'll see it when it's released. ;D
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i paid enough for the game and had to wait 4 days to play it! due to various Steam problems
Thats just **** i mean i support vstep and i had quite a few of the SS games but comon whats on the box and screenies they put up is not what iv got.
Trading standards would probly see it my way! anyway.... suppose il wait a bit longer to have fixes and a patch.
* Edited for language - Fred
Yes but those 'issues' had nothing to do with VSTEP. It was a STEAM issue and they were the ones who messed up the games release ;)
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Yes but those 'issues' had nothing to do with VSTEP. It was a STEAM issue and they were the ones who messed up the games release Wink
yeh i did put that!
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yeh i did put that!
Hi Wigelz,
Sorry, I kinda saw it as a dig against VSTEP for the Steam issues, when in fact it was Steam's fault in the first place :)
No worries though, my misunderstanding!
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You'll see it when it's released. ;D
OK, I'll waiting ... waiting... waitingzzzzz ... zzz :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy:
/Markus
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You don't have long to wait, we all know you're sleeping ;)
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I've heard of sleepwalking, but never of sleepspamming.. might be a new discovery.. ;D
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Hey Fred in all seriousness can you give us some kind of real update on you guys are doing on this patch?
J
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Markus laying on his copy paste buttons on his keyboard haha
Sleep typing:P haha..
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Hey Fred in all seriousness can you give us some kind of real update on you guys are doing on this patch?
J
i'm not Fred do, and yes i can give you answer watt you ask for. We are testing it so we can see if all works good when it realized soon, so it will be good for all :thumbs:
Tore
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The only patch i will have now it,s a silent weekend away from work work work. with my wife and children.
and some conac. So give me a bottle of conac insted of the sse patch. And i will be happy
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HI dragongfx
if you are near me i can give you a glass of 18 years old whiskey ;D ;D
Have a good weekend then
Tore
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Tore.
Whisky sounds awesome. Do I get a cigar with the same. :)
Thank you. Have a nice weekend you too.
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i'm not Fred do, and yes i can give you answer watt you ask for. We are testing it so we can see if all works good when it realized soon, so it will be good for all :thumbs:
Tore
Does this mean the patch won't be out tomorrow?
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Does this mean the patch won't be out tomorrow?
There we go jumping to conclusions again ;)
Let's just wait and see eh guys?
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We can wait and see or Vstep could be a little more upfront with us. I mean do you guys just have no idea what so ever?? Because that's kind of what you are projecting at this point.
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...I mean do you guys just have no idea what so ever?? Because that's kind of what you are projecting at this point.
Basically, that is true—for us and for the developers. It is always the case that one cannot know when such a task will be done until it is done.
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We can wait and see or Vstep could be a little more upfront with us. I mean do you guys just have no idea what so ever?? Because that's kind of what you are projecting at this point.
yes we know allot but not all watt happens but unfortunately we can't tell, it's up to v'-step to realizing all officially things about this,so if you get no answer from us well that the reason be pationt
v-step will tell when something new are coming.
follow this canals news their to http://twitter.com/shipsim and or http://www.facebook.com/ShipSim?v=wall#!/ShipSim?v=wall
even on www.shipsim.com and if you have signet up for newsletter you will get it right in you mailbox
TJK
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I've heard of sleepwalking, but never of sleepspamming.. might be a new discovery.. ;D
Hahaha... ;D ;D ;D :blush: :C :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy:
/Markus
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Go back to sleep Markus will woke you up when the patch are coming :evil: ;)
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http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,21412.msg287916.html#msg287916
How much clearer can it be? Look at the date on Franks post and do some simple arithmetic. :doh:
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http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,21412.msg287916.html#msg287916
How much clearer can it be? Look at the date on Franks post and do some simple arithmetic. :doh:
brings it to tomorrow... 8)
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http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,21412.msg287916.html#msg287916
How much clearer can it be? Look at the date on Franks post and do some simple arithmetic. :doh:
Looked at Frank's Post. Post is telling me the update is coming NEXT week. Post was last modified at 29th of september (Yesterday)
What will that post tell us next week?? Update comes out next week ???
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how long is slightly? tell me frank!
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Looked at Frank's Post. Post is telling me the update is coming NEXT week. Post was last modified at 29th of september (Yesterday)
What will that post tell us next week?? Update comes out next week ???
I guess so.. Great another week late, or worse weeks or months. Or maybe years.. Or just never.. :-\
They could better tell it's coming next year. And that it finnaly arrives earlier. Better than delaying ;D :thumbs:
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if certainty can be given, it will. easy as that.
Specially since this is not just up to vstep, it's too tricky to say something untill it's certain.
So please, a little more patience.. :thumbs:
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Looked at Frank's Post. Post is telling me the update is coming NEXT week. Post was last modified at 29th of september (Yesterday)
What will that post tell us next week?? Update comes out next week ???
Mañana, Mañana, Mañana is good enough for me.
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Looked at Frank's Post. Post is telling me the update is coming NEXT week. Post was last modified at 29th of september (Yesterday)
What will that post tell us next week?? Update comes out next week ???
Aad, if my memory serves me correctly, which could be in doubt as I am getting old, the changes to Franks post cover some extra updates which have been added to the patch since his original post. Thus I think that the actual date of release has remained the same. But at our age patience is part of living, since we learnt it the hard way.
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Does remind me at this one :
http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,10830.msg289270.html#msg289270
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Mañana, Mañana, Mañana is good enough for me.
More people should believe in Mañana :)
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Does remind me at this one :
http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,10830.msg289270.html#msg289270
:evil:
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy:
/Markus
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Okay, spam warning for Markus now... ;D
You have made your point, now please only post if you have something usefull to actually contribute. Just posting smileys or smarty pants remarks is considered spam and such messages from you will be removed from now on without warning or explaination.
So kindly give that a rest, please. Point made long ago, move on.
Regards,
Fred
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Okay, spam warning for Markus now... ;D
You have made your point, now please only post if you have something usefull to actually contribute. Just posting smileys or smarty pants remarks is considered spam and such messages from you will be removed from now on without warning or explaination.
So kindly give that a rest, please. Point made long ago, move on.
Regards,
Fred
OK, I swear. :blush:
/Markus
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Thank you Mad_Fred for jumping on people. The comments on here were starting to get pretty childish and mindless.
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gota say i didnt really say the right words about my point!
instead of constantly updateing the update thread that is locked maybe they should post up a new thread! its not that hard is it!
there comes a point where people will get ticked off with not getting what they paid for!
edited for language - Fred
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No problem, jfail. Just trying to keep the place a bit tidy...
wigelz, there has only been one update in that topic as far as the release goes, the other one was an update of the patch changelog.
Again, we can merely deal with waiting for it, or ask for a refund. This isn't the world's first product release that doesn't live up to everyone's expectation, and the reason for the delay has been explained. Even Vstep themselves are waiting. The manner in which it's put in a topic is irrelevant , you can read what Frank has posted. It's not that hard is it? ::)
And please mind your language. Frustration is no reason to forget about the forum rules or common decency.
Fred
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Maybe its time to lock this topic
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Nah I don't think it's necessary.. we'll just keep it clear of further nonesense, so that those that want to contribute or have valid remarks can keep using it. :thumbs:
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Maybe its time to lock this topic
Maybe its time to release the dam patch! This topic will be on page 5 so fast will make your head spin.
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Maybe it's time to read the announcements and understand why it's not out yet and that there's no invalid reason for it to be like that. ::)
Okay, just being sarcastic there, sorry. But seriously, would you prefer an unfinished patch that also is only available to part of the community and not the whole? I hope you don't have the steam version, cause that would mean you'd miss out while the rest can enjoy it already, had they released it as it was last week. Then what would you think of it?
Be glad, I'd say, that the extra time needed to get it sorted for a simultaneous release on both venues means that Vstep spent that time wisely and the patch now gets more content and an increased number of fixes. Something good comes out of a bad situation, that way. And I reckon that improvement is worth the wait even if there was no other problem holding it back.
Cause that will now introduce fixes and improvements that might have had to wait a lot longer to be implemented. Fixes the public asked for. If that's not responding to popular demand, then I don't know what more can be done. Work takes time. If the public wants to have stuff changed/fixed, then they'll have to wait for it to be done and tested. The only thing that could be said is that maybe there shouldn't have been a release date given yet. But oh well.. External problems made it an unpredictable delay. A lesson for the future, I am sure.
I for one at least think it's better to wait and get something that's better, than to get a less elaborate patch a lot sooner. But hey that's just me.
Regards,
Fred
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Reading some of the posts on the forum leads me to two thoughts.
1. If we keep our comments to reporting bugs, asking for items we would like included/improved or which we think have been overlooked maybe VSTEP will take us seriously. If we behave like a group of disgruntled schoolboys VSTEP will eventually ignore us. - Frankly, I find it amazing that Fred is being so patient and actually replying to some posts.
2. As the community is showing that it cannot cope with disappointment maybe it would be better not to give guesstimates about the release of any items.
Come on chaps, there is still plenty to enjoy with what we've got - unless we are in the sad state of having nothing to do but play computer games all day. And for those who still have SS2008 there must be missions that you can still enjoy.
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You have to consider one thing guys...
Those who provide information and suggestions to VSTEP in a polite and controlled manner WILL get listened to much more than those who are ignorant and impatient about this situation.
If you would like to be critical about the game (which is always a good thing because it shows that the game can only get better) then do so in a polite, structured and friendly way.
The more friendly you are, the more your opinions will be taken on board by VSTEP. Frank and others do actually read these forums, and your suggestions are always noted by us (the staff) and are passed onto VSTEP.
So in conclusion, if you want to be heard, and you want your views to actually be taken into account then tell us by all means, just don't be rude about it :)
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If you are continuing moaning and grumbling about the delayed patch or other troubles in an rude, unpolite manner, Vstep will be much more reluctant to help us with more problems which may arise with the next patch!
Please have patience and stop moaning and grumbling in a rude, unpolite manner, otherwise you will mess it up for the other players!
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Whilst agreeing totally with the sensible remarks made by Captain Spencer and others I do feel that VSTEP must share some of the blame for the tone of some of the posts. VSTEP have not been exactly coming forward with any information for delays and I have noticed that it is only after some members have really sounded off that Frank has posted a comment. One example of this is the justified angry mutterings from those of us that pre-ordered SSE direct from VSTEP. It took two e-mails from me to VSTEP before I got an answer from Customer Services stating the problem for the delay, and lo and behold a message then appeared on the forum from VSTEP!!! As we all know it doesn't take long to post a message to say that 'sorry, taking longer than we thought, expected date is now such and such'. VSTEP need to be proactive and communicate with us, we might mutter but we'll accept it. The wrong way is what is happening now with a drip-feed on information from administrators, moderators and occasionally Frank. So, come on VSTEP treat us as favoured customers and maybe it will stop all the idiots posting rude comments on the forum - I did say maybe..............................!!!!
Metman
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Metman,
VSTEP did post a reason why the patch was delayed the first time, and the same applied for the second time too.
Isn't this what you wanted? :-\
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Hi Guys
You all want the patch yesterday but you all want it at the same time so think ?
V-Step have already said they want to be fair to everybody who bought the game
that is england france germany denmark spain and all the people that live in different
parts of the world.
Witch mean this has to be made possible by arranging mirror site's for you and putting
in place everthing ready for all the eager beaver's to press the download button and
not be disapointed so its not just a case of patch ready put it on the site and its done.
there are a lot of things that have to be considered for you the player/buyer
Eric
So while you'r blaming them they are working very hard to get you what you want
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Just fancy that the non-Steam users get the patch and apply it and the Steam users don't. In such a case you get a discrepancy with the non-Steam and the Steam users. Especially with playing in the Multiplayer environments it will give a lot of trouble.
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Very true indeed.
Actually, there would not even be a possibility for the patched people to play MP with the non-patched people. Since the new version will not be backwards compatible.
So it's not just the fixes they'll be deprived off untill the patch comes to them aswell, but multiplayer on the whole aswell.
But people don't think about that sort of stuff when they yell that they want it now and they don't mind if others have to wait. Imagine it's you that can't play while your mates are playing online, and not the other way around, that's what I would say to the non-steam users that think the steam users should just wait.
Didn't they pay the same ammount of money? So why are you better than them? Why do you think you deserve the patch sooner than them? Why should they loose the chance to play online for a while, with they non-steam version using shipsim friends? That's what I'd like to know. And if you have a good enough reason, I'll tell Vstep about it. ;D
Fred
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Captain Spencer, my post above said that VSTEP are slow in communicating with users on any news. You mentioned the patch in particular, if you care to read back through all the threads on the subject you will note that there were a lot of comments - both sarcastic and polite - about the various bugs in SSE and what were VSTEP doing about it. It took a while before any direct comments from VSTEP were posted. My comment, and my apologies for repeating it, is that VSTEP are slow to communicate with the end user -ie you and I!! In these days of fast communications there is no excuse for not informing people by the obvious methods (a) this forum and (b) by e-mail newsletter. The sad part about this is that VSTEP are not alone in keeping their customers informed of what is happening, unless of cause if you own a Beamer or a Roller!!!
Metman
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I can't say the Vstep folks ignore us, as metman suggests. They are in here reading and posting almost every day. And there is an updated thread about the status of the patch.
But what surprises me is their lack of planning, or if there are plans they are not very good ones. They seem to be taking day to day decisions, resulting in delay upon delay when it comes to this patch. I wouldn't do business this way because I would definitely lose sales.
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Hi metman
Sometime's it is not a case of slow communication but that thing's change constantly
So even though we see it as wrong (its a case of play safe) If V-Step were to tell you
something and then it suddenly changed for some reason they would then have to tell
you it had changed (then people get upset) so better so say nothing until really sure
that all things are in place first.
There are a lot of people involved and things take time to make sure that all the right
things are done and then when its all in place to the satisfaction of all partys involved
they can tell us moderators and you the people that matter most.
Eric
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Thanks Eric. Comments greatly appreciated. I know that it is difficult for VSTEP to make sure everything is correct but a short message doesn't do any harm and is very quick. Stops us the end-user getting all hot and bothered, you the moderators taking all the flak and all those at VSTEP heading for the bunker with their tin hats on!!!!
As I hinted at, poor customer service is something that most companies medium and large are guilty of, the failure to keep customers updated , small companies do it by necessity because if they don't they fail!!
Metman
ps Please tell Frank that he can come up to periscope depth now.........!!!
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Might I add that the staff here has been posting many answers to various questions and have repeated often that certain problems are reported and under development for fixing and such.
We are the medium between you as end user and the developer, for the most of the time. Only problem is, as soon as something goes wrong, we seem to lose all our credibility as volunteers, and people just don't take our word for it and think we're in the dark too.
Well, the communication is there, from Vstep, through us. And the more important things they answer or announce themselves. But if you don't think we speak on their behalf and that we are only making stuff up to cover their tracks and thus not take our words for anything, then that's not a communication problem. ::)
;D
Fred.
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Hear hear Fred ;)
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Exactly when will the patch come? Just wonder. :blush:
/Markus
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There is no date set. You will have to be patient. 'First week of October' is what was announced.
Weren't you angry cause they set dates in the past that they couldn't keep? Didn't you suggest Vstep shouldn't give dates untill it's done, to prevent disappointment?
And now you want a date? ::)
Please think about that for a second. ;D
Fred.
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There is no date set. You will have to be patient. 'First week of October' is what was announced.
Weren't you angry cause they set dates in the past that they couldn't keep? Didn't you suggest Vstep shouldn't give dates untill it's done, to prevent disappointment?
And now you want a date? ::)
Please think about that for a second. ;D
Fred.
OK, the first week in October is now... hehe
/Markus
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Yes did you not read the new topic? You commented on it with spam again yesterday, but you didn't actually read it then? ::)
Fred
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Looks like things are degenerating again Fred.
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Not for long though... ::)
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Yes did you not read the new topic? You commented on it with spam again yesterday, but you didn't actually read it then? ::)
Fred
I read it, I did.
/Markus
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Then why the cheeky remarks again and the question about a date, if you already read it? ::)
Nah dont bother answering that, it's clear you're trying to play a game with us. I'd advise against it though, cause there's only one prize to win, and you wouldn't like it very much.
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This topic should be locked. Please, be patient about the oncoming patch!
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Why should one person ruin a topic for the rest? :-\
Some serious and polite members might still have questions or remarks about the new patch that are worth posting and reading, so we're not locking it just because one kid tries to be a smartypants.. ;)
Fred
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Quote from the November issue of PC Gamer "[i]Ship Simulator Extremes - Valve pull it from Steam, saying 'It doesn't make sense to continue selling the game' until it's fixed"[/i]
Looks as though Valve are pushing all the blame on VSTEP, I find it very hard to believe that it wasn't pressure from Valve for the release the game that resulted in the game in its present state being released.
Metman
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In my post I stated that there was no DIRECT posts from VSTEP - I stand, or sit, by that comment. I for one, and I'm sure there are others on the forum do not know who is employed by VSTEP as it is not obvious from their 'signatures'. I therefore assumed in the absence of any other proof that the only VSTEP staff member posting was 'Frank'. I'm not a mind reader, never have been and never will be, so I apologise if I have ruffled some feathers, but if you are speaking for VSTEP then please let us know.
Let's face it, all we both want at the end of the day is a fully working game to play .
Regards
Metman
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Then why the cheeky remarks again and the question about a date, if you already read it? ::)
Nah dont bother answering that, it's clear you're trying to play a game with us. I'd advise against it though, cause there's only one prize to win, and you wouldn't like it very much.
I can't wait anymore... :C :C :C
/Markus
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Do something else then, don't be a little sulking boy her
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In my post I stated that there was no DIRECT posts from VSTEP - I stand, or sit, by that comment. I for one, and I'm sure there are others on the forum do not know who is employed by VSTEP as it is not obvious from their 'signatures'. I therefore assumed in the absence of any other proof that the only VSTEP staff member posting was 'Frank'. I'm not a mind reader, never have been and never will be, so I apologise if I have ruffled some feathers, but if you are speaking for VSTEP then please let us know.
Let's face it, all we both want at the end of the day is a fully working game to play .
Regards
Metman
The Vstep employees have 'ship simulator developer' as secondary 'title' under their name, apart from a moderator or administrator position. Easy to spot if you look closely.
Frank posts most of he announcement with the newsitem and updates, there's no need to have that done by a variety of Vsteppers. But they are here, looking and reading and posting. The rest is done via the forum team of volunteers.. That's the way it goes. They can often be considered to speak DIRECTLY for Vstep. What is so hard to understand about that, what does it matter who posts news, as long as you realise that it is coming from Vstep? You know who the team members are, and if not, you can find that in the forum faq topic in FAQ & Announcements.
So once again.. the forum staff of volunteers, when posting factual answers to your question about the game, can be considered to speak on behalf of Vstep, with the exception of when these individuals post their personal views and opinions. But those types of posts are easy to spot too... ::)
We speak for them, so they don't have to put down their work to come post here all the time. It's an efficient way of working, and very common on fora.
I hope this clears it up a bit for you. It doesn't matter if the messenger is an employee or a volunteer, when info is posted, it can be considered coming from vstep themselves. We're in daily contact on many channels and are mutually informed about what they have to offer the public in terms of information, and what we have to offer them in terms of forum feedback. Easy as that.
Regards,
Fred
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At topic "Ankündigung Patch 1.2" http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,21544.0.html (http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,21544.0.html) I read that the Multiplayer issues would be fixed in the Patch 1.3, not in the Patch 1.2.
@Sturmfahrt:
Der Multiplayer soll mit patch 1.3 verbessert werden. Da diese Arbeiten sehr umfangreich sind, haben sie es nicht in den Patch 1.2 geschafft. Es muste entschieden werden, entweder weiter und länger auf den patch 1.2 zu warten, oder aber einen Cut zu machen, um einen ersten patch freizugeben und weitere Bugs und Verbesserungen auf einen nächsten patch zu verschieben.
Gruss
Sturmfahrt
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Markus.
What will u do if u cant wait anny more ?
I have a idea. Try to get outside a litle and get some fresh air. Maybe get u a girlfriend then u dont have time to tink about the patch :)
Or do as me work a lot. Then when u come home a rainy evening and look at shipsim.com there is a patch.
But i swear when the 1.2 patch is out. People begin asking and spamming for patch 1.3 and so.
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Maybe get u a girlfriend then u dont have time to tink about the patch :)
Sounds like a good idea, but she may think it's stupid to be playing with boats on the computer..
(Have you noticed how few girls there are on the game..? )
She will probably drag you off to go shopping.. ;D
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Have you noticed how few girls there are on the game..?
I thought there were lots of girls on the game ;-)
Maybe the girls/women playing this game are more patient than some boys. Or maybe just more polite and simply get on to enjoy what they have until something new turns up.
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I thought there were lots of girls on the game ;-)
Maybe the girls/women playing this game are more patient than some boys. Or maybe just more polite and simply get on to enjoy what they have until something new turns up.
:o
hehe Don't get your hopes up...
:doh:
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Quote from the November issue of PC Gamer "[i]Ship Simulator Extremes - Valve pull it from Steam, saying 'It doesn't make sense to continue selling the game' until it's fixed"[/i]
Looks as though Valve are pushing all the blame on VSTEP, I find it very hard to believe that it wasn't pressure from Valve for the release the game that resulted in the game in its present state being released.
Metman
The game is pulled from Steam?? What a mess :doh:
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I understand why VALVE took the game out.
Extremes was not nearly finished. But let us hope that some patches do the Sim to what it should be:)
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The game is pulled from Steam?? What a mess :doh:
What does this mean for Steam version owners?
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What does this mean for Steam version owners?
Well it looks like the game is still available on Steam, at least for European customers. I believe Valve is a gaming company in the US, but Paradox is the official publisher.
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Does anybody like it that there are bugs and the game doesn't feel polished at all? No, of course not. But, please realize that this is a niche game (ships) in a niche market (simulators) on what's more and more becoming a niche platform (PC). Obviously these guys aren't doing it solely for the money...if they were they would be making a zombie killing game for the xbox. Have patience and be glad that somebody is actually making a ship simulator at all.
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There is one 'friendly' bug in SSE that I really like.
A few times my playable vessel has been severely damaged or sunk by accident. Simply save the game and load the saved game. The vessel is now back to full health or floating again and I was able to carry on with my mission :)
No doubt this 'friendly' bug will be fixed in the forthcoming patch.
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Well it looks like the game is still available on Steam, at least for European customers. I believe Valve is a gaming company in the US, but Paradox is the official publisher.
So far one of our mods in the USA, and several US friends of mine have checked and they can just buy it from Steam with no problem. All fine up to the point of purchase.
Here in Europe it is also fine. I don't think Steam would be selective as to where they would and wouldn't pull it from, if they really wanted to halt the procedures.
Plus, it's illogical for them to hold up the patch release for weeks, and then complain that the game isn't ready and needs a patch. That makes no sense to me.
Also no other indications have been given by Vstep to us.
I think our legs were pulled, perhaps. ::)
I have my doubts as to this info being accurate. Unless we see some official Steam announcement about it, I take it to be untrue.
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I tried to do a little investigation and asked some questions in the communities, to find out what this is all about. The game is indeed gone from the Valve site, if it was available from them in the first place, people say it was. Valve also use Steam, I guess this is the mix up. But it shouldn't make any difference for those who purchased the game from Valve, since they will get the update from Steam.
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I have the Patch... :o
Now have Billy Green and a Damage on/off tick box...
Edit: Printscreen
Edit 2: OS now has lifeboats :2thumbs:
Edit 3: Freedom 90s Exhaust comes out of her thruster... ???
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How come you have the patch when there's no patch on official website ?
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A advantage of having Steam...
Apparently there is one... :o
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I tried to do a little investigation and asked some questions in the communities, to find out what this is all about. The game is indeed gone from the Valve site, if it was available from them in the first place, people say it was. Valve also use Steam, I guess this is the mix up. But it shouldn't make any difference for those who purchased the game from Valve, since they will get the update from Steam.
Well isn't Steam now independant even though it started off as the channel to market valve's game's with?
Steam itself still has it.. US and Europe. :-\
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Vstep waited with the patch cause Steam users could not get it, now they get it first? Is this right? I hope I am wrong. If not, so have Vstep done another 'misstake' which will irritate other customers and the trust I have in that company have fallen even more. This game and what happens with it and around it now more and more seems like a comedy, so I hope for Vstep that this is not happening.
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Steam might now have jumped the gun on Vstep, it would seem. :-\
(you can't really control what a publisher/distributor does all the time, paradox handles that side, so vstep is also at the mercy of 'outside factors' at times.)
Tomorrow morning (well this morning actually) might hold the answer. Maybe the patch is due tomorrow and Steam is a bit early so as not to miss the release time due to the time difference. Better a few hours early than a few hours late, eh?
Too soon to tell. But Steam has had their share of surprises for Vstep so far.
You can at least expect an answer come business hours tomorrow, I reckon.
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ahhhhh... so i was right. C´mon Fred!
This is ridiculous. The hole thing this past 2 weeks was about "sincronized" release. Now STEAM got them before us? What is the point of that?
So VSTEP was concerned about STEAM users start to shout .... so what about us now?
Yes, i have a life and yes i´m not going to die because of that, but it´s really .... well i will be quiet. >:(
So please, when can we expect our patch as now we are the "moan one's"?
At least someone from vstep could put a link here in the forum with the patch.
And i pre-paid my copy .... há!
Remember, that part of what makes a game a sucess or not is US!
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Perhaps it's as simple as Vstep releasing this morning, and Steam being a few hours in front because otherwise the steam users will have to wait till the late afternoon here in europe, when Steam opens their doors again.
And I wasn't saying this is definate as we have just seen that another steam user DID NOT have the update yet. Maybe we should wait before we start to yell bloody murder. ;D
Keyword timezone.
And it's not as easy as just putting a link up. there is a publisher also pulling strings. Everyone always has all the answers, but no one really knows the whole story. ::)
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Mad Fred,
The V1.2.2 patch (as it is now called) is now available on the ShipSim website for non-Steam users :2thumbs:
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The game is pulled from Steam?? What a mess :doh:
Completely bull info...the game is prominently featured on STEAM: http://store.steampowered.com/genre/Simulation/
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Its here!!!!
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Thank you for give us the patch.
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First of all: a very nice job with the new patch.. :thumbs:
One thing though, I can't see my ship or the environment on the chart..It's just a white blank square..
Also, it won't go to expanded view, or change to radar..Am I missing a hot-key..?
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I still haven't heard anyone else mention this chart/radar problem..Am I the only one..?
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Fred, you were right in your guess. The new patch came today.
But, now I wonder when will the next patch come. A patch which will solve the bugs in this patch(version 1.2.2).
So far have I find some things which worked before the new patch, the map is now only white. Before I could zoom in and out but that is not possible after the patch. I can not switch to radar.
I can still deploy boats, but I can not controle the deployed boats. The icon which before came up of the deployed boat is not there anymore. So none of the missions where I should deploy a boat are now not possible to solve.
One of the reasons why this patch was delayed was that this things should not happen. But, it happened anyway. So my suggesstion for now, is that Vstep take this patch back, and solve the problems with it and then release it again when all things are fixed.
The errors with this new patch, does not realy rebuild the reputation of Vstep. I understand that this things are difficult and the risc of errors are big, but it now start to become too many. And I do not care if other companies and games also have problems. When I was working so did I always compared me self with them who were better than me, so I could be that good too.
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Appears to be just you - my charts work OK
smoe things I have noticed though:
*Red Eagle is still a knife - currently sailing through the IoW
*Freedom 90 has exhasut coming out her bow thrusters fans ???
*Dover bouys?
*Pad still dissapears
A AI Red Jet 4 crashes straight into your ship when berthed in Cowes
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Yes, Freedom 90 looks like a right old diesel boat with that smoke coming out there.. ;)
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She still doesn't hover either...
But I must sound like a old grump - can't explore too much, cause I am working on CCC
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I still haven't heard anyone else mention this chart/radar problem..Am I the only one..?
I have this problem, the only thing I can do with the map is remove it, that is the only thing which works with it. And I have the box version of the game.
So far two bugs in this new patch, and, I have only tried it in two missions. So I have only tried it for about ten minutes, so there may will be more.
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First of all: a very nice job with the new patch.. :thumbs:
One thing though, I can't see my ship or the environment on the chart..It's just a white blank square..
Also, it won't go to expanded view, or change to radar..Am I missing a hot-key..?
expanded view press +
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I applied the patch and no longer have any missions of any kind including the tutorial mission.
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I have missions, but they are a bit awkward to do without a chart.. ;)
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Now when I start SSE I get an error message:
1 duplicate uniqueIDs found, clearing missions list!
419W9MOUF4JSOG95IVQHL20G6412OB5HB64: "Tutorial Mission 1" and "Tutorial Mission 1'
I guess I should post this over in technical support also.
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Now when I start SSE I get an error message:
1 duplicate uniqueIDs found, clearing missions list!
419W9MOUF4JSOG95IVQHL20G6412OB5HB64: "Tutorial Mission 1" and "Tutorial Mission 1'
I guess I should post this over in technical support also.
Actually an email has been sent to your email address about this issue from VSTEP. Check your email ;)
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Thanks very much. That email just arrived at the same time as your notification.
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No problem, I've also posted in the topic you created :)
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All fixed. Thanks again
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I still haven't heard anyone else mention this chart/radar problem..Am I the only one..?
I have the same problem in the tutorial mission. Have not checked the others yet.
In the tutorial mission, the second objective says to look for the white circle on the compass. I don't see a white circle on the compass. Am I missing something?
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Good day to everyone.
I appeared to have following bugs after installing patch 1.2.2:
1) at least on Esperanza - RPM, power percentage and rudder position scales that previously were located under relevant controls are not there anymore;
2) Bugsier-2 - when starting in freeroaming her engines seem to be shut down because there is no smoke from exhausts and no reaction on thrust levers. I could not find a way to start up the engines so the vessel is now unplayable.
3) at least on Esperanza - anchor chains (ropes) are not visible anymore. Well, they were not very beautiful previously, but still it was something.
4) walkthrough run is not working anymore.
That's what I've found so far. I will continue exploring and I would be obliged if meanwhile someone could suggest a solution for above issues.
Best regards,
Alexey
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To straighten out some misconceptions:
VALVE is a very successful game designer in Bothell, Washington; Half-life being just one of their well-known productions.
They created STEAM to distribute their own products at first. That worked so well that STEAM began distributing for other publishers, such as Auran in OZ (Trainz). Things did not always go as smoothly with the other products because the liaison between the parties was not as close as with their parent company.
There was, within STEAM, and VALVE, the same dismay over the state of the SSE release that we have seen here. Although the programmers at VALVE, at least those that I know, were certainly not as naïve about the difficulties of software development as many forum members, there was the expected grumblings and intemperate suggestions by some to stop distributing until the problems were fixed. Word of this apparently reached the ears of some journalists or bloggers eager for gossip.
There was, to the best of my friends’ knowledge, no serious intention to stop distribution of SSE.
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It sounds like this patch is creating new problems, I haven't installed it yet. But some reports the chart/radar gone, others say they're fine. Strange, but this is what we call unstable software. It's okay on some systems, others just don't run it very well, and there's usually little you can do about it. The developers need to improve the software, more patches expected ;)
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New Patch installed :2thumbs:
got the E-mail for the other little fix :2thumbs:
Everything apears to be running OK :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
Thanks Guys
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I am dubious about the patch. I have a saved mission for the 378 foot cutter outside of San Francisco Bay. When I load it now the screen is black except for the compass, throttle, wheel and a blank chart. If I press Escape and reload the mission it starts ok with some exceptions. The chart is blank and so is the Radar which I find is that way in almost everything (I have not checked "everything"). I had the ship set up on a heading of 070t for the mission, now it is at 000t.
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Hello,
After installing the patch, i have now no radar and map.
Also i have now a lot of crashdumps, wich i haden`t have bevore the patch.
Hope it will be fixed.
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I strongly hope that the evelopers of SSE will collect all the complaints and will issue a quick fix for the patch 1.2.2. Therefore I would like to ask moderators what will be the best way to proceed - when I find new bugs should I keep updating my post of earler today or should I create new posts? Also maybe it will be sensible to create a new thread where only bugs will be reported and no other discussions will be allowed in order to make it compact and easily readable?
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Here you go:
http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,21677.0.html
Fred.
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Thanks a lot to VStep for the new patch, however, I'm having an unusual problem.
In addition to the no radar/cart problem, I can no longer control any deployable ships, nor is that tiny icon with the ship's health available.
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Hello ciroton
You shoud read this topic.
http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,21724.0.html
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my patch is working fine after i delet the first opptat :2thumbs:
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where is the mission editor i miss it or is it comes with a next update ( if that comes )
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the mission is coming in two weeks(hopefully less)
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Since I updated to the new patch, I can't load the Cutter on free roaming :(. I tried in different locations, but still doesn't work, the only thing I got was lots of crash reports! anyone can help me?
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Ahoy Panda,
Try this:
De-install Ship Sim Extremes with his own de-installer. When asked say yes to the option keeping your profile and saved missions.
Re-Install Ship Sim Extremes.
Do NOT apply patch 1.1 but instead of this apply patch 1.2
Good Luck and Kind Regards.
Aad the Pirate
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some nice things will be fixed looks likes its getting better :2thumbs: now just waiting for them to bring back the dual screen/split screen/dual monitor support option :2thumbs: :2thumbs:
sh extreme can works with up to 4 monitor if man have a radeon hd 5970 cart