Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator Extremes => Topic started by: krisostend on August 27, 2010, 20:30:54
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POR sounds like a fishing vessel.
Graphics are strange in SSE, the coast of Dover is sometimes half visible a
few miles away from Dover harbour. On the POR bridge you can see the with clifs of Dover
but you cant in the walkthrough mode (even with the best graphic settings). There are almost no
missions in the beginning (you have to complete those campaings). I bought SSE for Dover-Calais
but there are no missions for the moment (I have no time for those campaings). I like to select
the "Pride of Rotterdam at the strait of Dover" mission. Inpossible, no?
When we have external view of POR next to Dover Harbour, then we can see the whole Dover enironment,
and in the east we see the sea again (its a very small piece of the English coast, nothing compared to
Marseille, Rotterdam...) And in Dover we do not see the French coast (it is barely visible with the best graphics)
But am glad I bought it (let them come those updates, weather elements: currents..., navigation and ferrys for D-C)
Is it already possible to make our own missions?
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It's not possible to make your own mission yet :thumbdown:
And I don't think you can normally see the French coast from Dover anyway?
I may be wrong :doh:
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It's not possible to make your own mission yet :thumbdown:
And I don't think you can normally see the French coast from Dover anyway?
I may be wrong :doh:
I have seen a picture of ferries in Calais taken from Dover Cliffs before :thumbs:
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Matthew
The French coast is clearly visible in Dover
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Can I play "Pride of Rotterdam at the strait of Dover" mission?
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yes you can :thumbs:
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to all those tht have SSE is Dover Calies in the same enviroment in SSE?
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Yes :thumbs:
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Thanks :thumbs:
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Hoy,
I selected the Pride of Rotterdam and Dover strait,in free roam.
Its nice to go acros like in reality.
However,maybe ,someone can make a mission with AI vessels in the canal,from Dover to Calais and back again.So the crossing is complete,and looks right.
Regards
Marc
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I can't see it yet, since I couldn't Preorder. Can someone provide ingame pictures of Dover-Calais?
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HI Marc
It's already a mission wher POR live Rotterdam to co and more in Dover, and yes i only wait for the mission editor to be realized cos i have alot of ideas for missions with SSE and i do not think i are alone wit missions ideas ;)
Regards
Tore
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I can't see it yet, since I couldn't Preorder. Can someone provide ingame pictures of Dover-Calais?
Shall se watt i can do for you Matt
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I would also love to see some pics! :thumbs:
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Here you have POr in dover and in Calais
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very nice !
thom
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Those last 2 shots were very nice. I hope mine comes tomorrow. :captain:
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Hello!
I didn't know that Pride of Rotterdam has stern thruster?
can you post picture of inside the bridge please?
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Hello!
I didn't know that Pride of Rotterdam has stern thruster?
can you post picture of inside the bridge please?
pride of rotterdam doesnt have A stern thruster in real life I dont know why they have put that in
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Hello!
I didn't know that Pride of Rotterdam has stern thruster?
can you post picture of inside the bridge please?
Her you have a picture from POR s bridge
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I needed a stern thruster to be able to set some characteristics, and the pilot card - wheelhouse poster mentions a stern thruster, and deleting the thruster is easier than creating it. But there is no obligation to use it, of course.
Regards,
Luc
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I honestly don't know where that wheelhouse poster comes from, but it is seriously inaccurate - someone made an error somewhere, because the wheelhouse posters I have from POR and her sister don't mention a stern thruster anywhere. Anyway, she definetly does not have a stern thruster in reality..
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Thanks for bridge picture!
Is the maneuverability of the Pride of Rotterdam the same like in SS2008.?
Can you easily turn the ship without stern thruster?
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Thanks for bridge picture!
Is the maneuverability of the Pride of Rotterdam the same like in SS2008.?
Can you easily turn the ship without stern thruster?
yes you can, the ship are weary easy to handle even better in SSE i will say
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Hello Nathan|C,
I honestly don't know where that wheelhouse poster comes from, but it is seriously inaccurate - someone made an error somewhere, because the wheelhouse posters I have from POR and her sister don't mention a stern thruster anywhere. Anyway, she definetly does not have a stern thruster in reality..
You are quite right, but it is a real picture of the wheelhouse poster made by Cetena, taken by VStep on the bridge of Pride of Hull, some time ago, mentioning that these trials were performed by sister ship M/s "Pride of Rotterdam", during trials in October 2001. Also, there is indeed no stern thruster installed in reality, it is a well known fact since the first models.
If you had a picture of a more recent poster, or other details of the manoeuvring booklet, or any factual data to help tuning her handling, it would have been kind if you could had sent it to VStep.
Regards,
Luc
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Why has the Stern thruster been added?
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I think the new Stern Thruster was added to improve the turning of the Pride of Rotterdam in SSE. Besides, with it in Rotterdam's P&O Terminal, you can put the Stern thruster to the Wall, and the Bow away from it. That should help with the info of the new Thruster.
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It was probably added for use in Dover and Calais? Oh, and the bridge of POR is greatly improved in SSE :2thumbs:
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But as far as I can see from the screen shots there is lots of work to do for the Creator's Forum. The on screen controls look ugly, when you are used to the old improved ones (just look at the steering wheel), and if the real ship doesn't have a stern thruster, the in game ship shouldn't have one, either.
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Is the view from the bridgewings better? Can you see the bow and aft down the side of the ship from the wing? I found it a pity that from the bridgewings of PoR in SS08 you couldnt see the bow or look aft down the side of the ship - as you can with Ocean Star og Vermaas.
You are forced to use an outside view to berth it precisely - not prototypical
Best regards
Michael
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No you cannot see the bow, but you can see down the sides (you could do that in SS08)
Sorry, but you're going to have to berth from an outside view - there are no controls on the bridge wings :(
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well, thats a little bit difficult, yes. :doh:
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Why there aren't controls in bridge wings? ???
There are in SS2008 and not in SSE?. I like to berth controlling from the bridge wing. It's not good. :(
I hope they wiil de added in a future patch.
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I think the Wing Control is a Trade off for the Stern Thruster.
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I think the Wing Control is a Trade off for the Stern Thruster.
Give me wing controls anyday... :-\
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Hi,
Here are my thoughts :
The stern thruster has been added to ease the manouvering of the PoR in small ports, like Calais. As mentionned above, if you prefer, you may not use it, your choice ! Might be useful in some situations, though.
I believe the wing controls have been temporaly removed for performance worry, But I think they'll come back in the future, when other things will be sorted out.
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Hi,
Here are my thoughts :
The stern thruster has been added to ease the manouvering of the PoR in small ports, like Calais. As mentionned above, if you prefer, you may not use it, your choice ! Might be useful in some situations, though.
I believe the wing controls have been temporaly removed for performance worry, But I think they'll come back in the future, when other things will be sorted out.
makes sense...
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makes sense...
It doesn't make any sence at all.
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It doesn't make any sence at all.
Most D-C Ferries have a stern thruster for added manoeuvrability, since this is the only suitable ferry, they had to add it for D-C...
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TFM - does it mean that it is not possible to manoeuvre the PoR in Dover and/or Calais without stern thruster? Or is it just a bit difficult?
I Remember my first departure from Rotterdam in SS08, where I thought it would bee impossible to turn the ship in the narrow basin. Now it is routine.
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I assume you can still do it, but its just easier with the stern thruster
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But if the argument is, that it is easier, then every single ship might have one (like it's the case in VS - which I don't like)
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In my opinion it is harder to manouver the POR at the P&O terminal in Rotterdam than anywhere in Dover or Calais....
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Then of course the stern thruster is completely useless.
Hope Creator's Forum can/will change it again
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Yes,the trusters you need!!
If you go into the harbour and turn, you need them!!
Unless you turn your ship outside the harbour,and go astern inside.This offcource counted more for Calais than Dover.
Marc
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The PoR in reality has rudders which can be set separately. That's how the captain we spoke to manoeuvres inside the port, to and from its berthing spot. With a button, he can switch the rudder wheel to port, starboard or both rudders. In SSExtremes, the GUI we designed doesn't really cater for this. To compensate, we added a stern thruster. Trust me, manoeuvring the PoR in Calais and Dover is really hard, even with the stern thruster, without hitting the jetty. If you hit it, you get damage.
Core Campaign Mission 6 has the trip Rdam - Calais - Dover. In the future, we'll update the bridge instruments system so it can accommodate the separate rudders. We'll take out the stern thruster.
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Sounds great Pjotr!
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Sounds brilliant thanks Pjotr, a good substitute for the moment :thumbs:
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Thanks for the explanation Pjotr :thumbs:
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What about the radio sounds, radio pack, like SS2008
Will that come back?
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Yes,the trusters you need!!
If you go into the harbour and turn, you need them!!
Unless you turn your ship outside the harbour,and go astern inside.This offcource counted more for Calais than Dover.
Marc
Maneuvering the Pride of Rotterdam in Dover & Calais without the Stern thruster should be routine. None of the current P&O ships have a stern thrusters and I do not believe from looking at the construction photographs that the two new builds which are bigger than the Pride of Rotterdam have one either.
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The whole of the Norfolkline and Seafrance fleet have stern thrusters, and the newbuilds are smaller than the Pride of Rotterdam.
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The whole of the Norfolkline and Seafrance fleet have stern thrusters, and the newbuilds are smaller than the Pride of Rotterdam.
My mistake, was reading lane meterage, however: Pride of Rotterdam 215.1m x 31.5m x 6.05m, Spirit of Britain 213m x 31.4m x 6.5m
So not larger but not really smaller. And agreed both Norfolkline & Seafrance have them and surprising they are the ones that have more issues with maneuvering.
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About the seporated ruddersystem,and a more extended bridgeconsole(woauw)that soulds good!!!
I cant waith for the future!!
Marc
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you can always display the controls as an overlay with Tab when you are on the bridge wing
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Good to hear that the stern thruster of PoR will be deleted and replaced by a separated rudder system. I think VStep is doing a great job (and really listens to what customers have to say).
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These explanations from Pjotr are satisfying for me. As for the wing controls I did not or only rarely use them in SS08. I always had/have the overlay controls switched on, and do usually control she ships with the keyboard.