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Title: Graphics Cards
Post by: shipboy1313 on August 11, 2010, 19:32:25
Ok.. well i have the ATI Radeon HD 3200 and im desperate to know if i have to get a new graphics card for ship simulator extremes. on the shipsim.com website it says Geforce 8800GT or ATI Radeon 4850. should i change my card???? Please Help : I
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Sebe on August 11, 2010, 19:47:04
ATI Radeon HD 3200 is comparable to a GeForce 8400Mobile GS card. You will probably be able to play the game, but i think you will be disappointed with the performance. That gfx card is not really suited for todays games.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Denis on August 11, 2010, 19:47:34
Hi,

I don't know this chipset, but from what you can read here and there, after a quick google search, this seems to be an integrated gfx processor, and with relatively poor performance (and more than 2 years old).

I'm afraid it won't let you play extremes with good resolutions and good level of details - if it can run it.

If it's an integrated, I believe it might be on a laptop - which means you probably don't really have the possibility to change it for a better one .
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: shipboy1313 on August 14, 2010, 20:11:08
thankyou. i might get a new card.. i need a cheap one that will work good with extremes.. any recommendations? :-\
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Sebe on August 14, 2010, 20:36:10
thankyou. i might get a new card.. i need a cheap one that will work good with extremes.. any recommendations? :-\

I think a ATI Radeon HD 5770 is the cheapest card you can get if you're gonna run SSE with high details, however your other hardware like CPU and RAM should also be of the same caliber.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Eike on August 14, 2010, 21:14:29
I have the 4650 Mobility Radeon - and the SS2008 works very good with it - only some probs at night with many lights from a creator*s pack ferry ;)

Hopefully SSE will also wirk fine :)

br

Eike
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: trains on August 14, 2010, 21:59:28
Out of curiousity, how does my card compare with the reccomended for SSE?

AMD M880G with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Sjimmenof on August 14, 2010, 22:22:55
Are there any suitable cards without active cooler? I prefer not to hear an aeroplane when playing a ships game...
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Lanedre on August 14, 2010, 22:54:25
I don't think you will get a card without a fan that will handle SSE.
You could get a card with water cooling though,but then you would have to find a quiet water pump.
What you also could do is to change the stock fan on a card to a better and more quiet fan.
Or you could put your computer in another room and pull cables to your screen and other equipment,that way you wouldn't have to hear the computer at all :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: saltydog on August 15, 2010, 09:06:39
Right Lanedre, there are some pretty quiet fans to be bought.
I changed the fan on my 8800GT with this one.  You can barely hear it at all..
For completely noiseless cooling you could also consider a passive cooler..
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: shipboy1313 on August 16, 2010, 20:45:41
Why does it matter if you have a better fan ???  ???  ???
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Kobus Post on August 16, 2010, 21:02:19
if you have a better fan youre card will be cooler and a little bit faster
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: dodweb on August 16, 2010, 23:19:01
With a better fan/cooling solution you can overclock the card (making it work faster, as Kobus Post wrote) because the improved cooling performance will remove the extra heat caused by the overclocking. That is one reason to get a better fan.

Another reason, the reason that it was brought up here in the first place, is that most aftermarket coolers are noticeably quieter than the stock models. As the graphics card fan is the most noisy part in most gaming computers today, it makes sense starting there if your computer is making a lot of noise and you cannot turn the fan speed down on the cooler you have without your card overheating (rarely possible).
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Chitch on August 16, 2010, 23:35:12
For what it's worth...I run a GeForce 9500 GT and I can't hear the fan at all...it's a real screamer too...1 GB of video on this thing, but the fan is very quiet.

Jim
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Sjimmenof on August 16, 2010, 23:42:40
Ok thx about the fan things.

Anybody able to make a top 5 list of card & prices that will do the job?

thnx in advance.

Roger
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: TNeves on August 18, 2010, 00:32:19
Well, it depends on the price, but this ones should be capable:
ATI 5770
ATI 5850
ATI 5870
Nvidia GTX460
 :thumbs:

Then, you have overclocked ones, more memory, etc.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: mvsmith on August 18, 2010, 00:52:35
The ATI 5850 is more than adequate. I get frame rates between 20-30, in most cases, on SSE.
The only question, which only the developers can answer: Is an nvidia GPU better able to pick up the inter-frame processing load?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Sjimmenof on August 18, 2010, 02:38:36
 ???

You can not play SSE without paying 200+ euro for a graphics card?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: TNeves on August 18, 2010, 12:15:36
???

You can not play SSE without paying 200+ euro for a graphics card?

Yes, you can, but this type of graphic card should play the game without problems.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: saltydog on August 18, 2010, 12:18:51
You can also go 50 mph on a bicycle, but it's not easy.. ;)
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: --tractorman-- on August 18, 2010, 12:39:08
I've done 40mph on my mountain bike, though i use it as a road bike

WHAT A THRILL! ;D
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Denis on August 18, 2010, 12:55:42
???

You can not play SSE without paying 200+ euro for a graphics card?

It's like any other intensive 3D game : you can play it with a cheaper graphics card, but not with a good Quality/Performance ratio, you would have to sacrifice one of the two parameters ...
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Sjimmenof on August 18, 2010, 20:08:10
I'm fine but just buying an expensive card is the way I could find out myself.

What is next best?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: TNeves on August 18, 2010, 22:22:12
I'm fine but just buying an expensive card is the way I could find out myself.

What is next best?

Going up, we have, the GTX480 from Nvidia, and then dual GPUs configurations like the ATI 5970. Then  you have the Crossfire and SLi world :evil: :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: austin14 on August 19, 2010, 04:38:41
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339

this is a great card for the price. its what i have in my machine. itl play SS08 maxed and i hear itl play newer games fine if you dont use a real high resolution.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Kobus Post on August 19, 2010, 07:07:51
???

You can not play SSE without paying 200+ euro for a graphics card?

Yes, you can!

http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/Grafische_kaarten_NVIDIA_GeForce_GTS/XFX/GTS250_Green/397265/?showTecData=true&cmd=showTecData#tabberBox (http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/Grafische_kaarten_NVIDIA_GeForce_GTS/XFX/GTS250_Green/397265/?showTecData=true&cmd=showTecData#tabberBox)
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: TJK on August 19, 2010, 11:37:43
HI NBRYANT24
welcome to the forum

you qestion are not so simple, it depend of the rest of you pc, CPU, Memory, memory use and so on, but it shod be able to run it do
Minimum cards
Geforce 8800GT or ATI Radeon 4850 with 256MB ram (At least Shader model 3.0)
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: qm2fan on August 20, 2010, 18:53:34
Hello,

I've got a Mid-2010 Macbook Pro running Windows 7 Home through Boot Camp.  It handles SS08 very well, and I can play at the max settings without any difficulty.  However, at max settings, I feel that I might be beginning to push my system a little far because my machine becomes scorching hot after about 5 minutes and the fans have to rev up to max power.  My question is, will a machine with my specs handle SSE at high settings, or will I have to lower them?

BTW, Macs are horrible gaming computers for anyone interested in getting a Mac.  I use mine mostly for HD video work and heavy photography editing.  This is the only area where I think Macs excel over their PC contemporaries.

CPU: Intel 2.66 Core i7
Memory: 4GB DDR3
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M with 512MB GDDR3

Thanks,
Tom
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: K Jack on August 20, 2010, 23:01:24
But look at me, i have the worst graphics card to run this game. It's an Intel GMA 4500M integrated. And i know for a fact that most integrated cards could not run modern games. I really wish i could play SS Extremes but i will have to stick with SS08. At least the card would run SS08 better than my father's laptop which has a GMA X3100 integrated card on it. Even though neither of these cards won't run it neatly beautiful, i'm still enjoying the game under 4500M especially in medium to low resolution settings because i'm not that kind of game freak.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: deltaecho on August 23, 2010, 14:44:06
can anyone tell me if this card can handle SSE?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121353
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: dodweb on August 23, 2010, 15:18:01
From what I've heard, the GT240 is a slightly more powerful version of the 9800GT. It should run the game with low settings.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: TJK on August 23, 2010, 15:20:50
I have 9800GT and i run the game on high setings. Run SSE perfect
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: deltaecho on August 23, 2010, 15:44:40
From what I've heard, the GT240 is a slightly more powerful version of the 9800GT. It should run the game with low settings.
low settings?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: deltaecho on August 23, 2010, 15:58:20
never mind i made my decision:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gtx_480_us.html

 :evil: they had me at, "NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 480 gives your games an adrenaline shot with the world’s fastest performance and futuristic, visually-stunning graphics"
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Mad_Fred on August 23, 2010, 16:15:51
Don't they write some sales pitch like that for each product though?  ;D

Good choice though, I'd say.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: dodweb on August 23, 2010, 16:19:49
Just a little word of warning, the GTX480, while being a very potent card, will need very good cooling and a lot of power.

If you do not have enough power (a powersupply with enough wattage) it will not start at all or not function right. Might even be damaged.

If you do not have enough cooling, you risk actually frying the card. It easily gets up over 100 degrees celcius, constantly working right at the limit of the parts it is buildt from. nVidia is also having problems with their silicone wafers, and they tend to come apart if exposed to a lot of heat over a long time period, it happened to my GTX275 this spring after I had it for a few months (my current GTX470 was a replacement I paid a bit extra for).

It is also extremely loud, like a vacuum cleaner.

I chose the GTX470 because it uses a little less power and thereby creates a little less heat. I had to send it into service (most likely) because of overheating, even though I had the mobo-bay of my Tt Level 10 case open with a table fan running at full blast cooling it down during the summer.

The 460 is a new generation that has a lot less problems (not a 480 with parts disabled like the 470). It should run the game very well.

IF you have a good PSU and a very efficiently cooled case a 480 would provide considerably better performance of course.

While I've been an nVidia fan since 1999, unless you want to use the 3D Vision stuff like me, I'd almost recommend an AMD/ATi card if you want to get the absolute top-of-the-line cards...
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Sjimmenof on August 23, 2010, 16:58:16
I have 9800GT and i run the game on high setings. Run SSE perfect

How do you know? SSE is not released yet?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Sjimmenof on August 23, 2010, 17:02:53
Just a little word of warning, the GTX480, while being a very potent card, will need very good cooling and a lot of power.

It is also extremely loud, like a vacuum cleaner.

This is exactly what I mean. I had a 8600 GTS and wondered what was wrong with my computer. After replacing it for the silent version I realised my computer made the sound of a starting aeroplane.

I don't understand most people take that sound for granted...
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: dodweb on August 23, 2010, 17:08:32
How do you know? SSE is not released yet?

He is probably a beta-tester. Some people have gotten access to the beta-version of the game to test it, find bugs and report them so the developement team can focus on fixing them.

I didnt notice his post though, it surprises me that a card that old will be able to run it 'perfectly'. Good news for a lot of SSE'ers with older systems then!
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Bottman on August 23, 2010, 17:16:15
Mine is a GeForce 9600GSO - not even state-of-art, but it works fine with SSEx. :thumbs:
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Matthew Brown on August 23, 2010, 17:16:45
Yes to be a beta-tester your IQ level has to be over a certain level.
And I hear it's quite high  :o   :doh:
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: TJK on August 23, 2010, 17:52:23
How do you know? SSE is not released yet?

yes i'm one of the beta testers, and yes my card run the game on high setings perfect and no it not realized jet 4 days to that
but my pc is well maintained and i have  'tweak' it to run very well.

but a pc with Gforse 9800GT  and a badly maintained pc, and wrong use of software/drivers/codecs and wrong use of software and background programs... might not be able to run it on high. So all depend of how the PC are setup

Answer edit to be more correct
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Eelkon on August 23, 2010, 20:22:06
For 100 euros you can get a second hand Nvidia GTX 260.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: valleyforge on August 24, 2010, 01:47:22
How about a NVIDIA GeForce 9400GT?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: cptnchris on August 24, 2010, 02:40:17
Vallyforge, I think your good, the GeForce 9400 GT GPU has a 2x performance increase over the comparable 8 series graphics card, allowing you to play the latest PC games without costing you a bundle. So now you can enjoy popular gaming titles the way they were meant to be played. Uhhh  took that off of http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9400gt_us.html  ;D  :thumbs:


P.S. Nice signature :thumbs:
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: SSNick on August 24, 2010, 07:18:05
Will an Nvidia GeForce GT 230m (1024mb) do the job? With an Intel Core i7?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Eelkon on August 24, 2010, 11:03:53
Try and you will know.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Captain Spencer on August 24, 2010, 11:07:59
Hi SSNick,

I don't see why it wouldn't, the Nvidia 200 series are pretty nice cards. In contrast, I have a NVidia GeForce GTX 260 and it runs SS 08 very well. Note that the GTX versions are more powerful than a GT for example :)

Do a little digging around on the internet, you will find websites comparing various graphics cards and you should be able to find something suitable :)
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: dodweb on August 24, 2010, 11:28:18
the GT240 is supposed to run it quite well at least, so there is some hope. I noticed the 'm', is it a laptop?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: deltaecho on August 24, 2010, 14:24:50
i found out that i only have 1 slot in my pc for a graphics card :'(
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Captain Spencer on August 24, 2010, 14:30:53
Surely that's all you need though Deltaecho?

If you buy a singlularly powerful card, you won't need to SLI or Crossfire them :)
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: deltaecho on August 24, 2010, 15:51:41
so right now an ATI is a good option?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: valleyforge on August 24, 2010, 15:58:37
On a different note, what about installing these things? Ive got an HP Pavilion Slimline s3521p, but I dont know how to install a new graphics card.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: deltaecho on August 24, 2010, 16:00:33
how many slots do you have?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: valleyforge on August 24, 2010, 16:04:18
Im not sure  :doh:
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: deltaecho on August 24, 2010, 16:05:37
open up your computer. it will either open on the top or the side. do you have a onboard graphics card right now?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: valleyforge on August 24, 2010, 16:08:43
I have no idea. (In case you cant tell im not very computer savvy)  ???
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: deltaecho on August 24, 2010, 16:13:09
unscrew the outside panel of your computer off. or in other terms: take off the outer shell of the computer ;D
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Captain Spencer on August 24, 2010, 16:13:26
Hi Valleyforge,

To find out if you have onboard graphics, simply look at the rear of the computer where all the cables are plugged in.

Now there should be a blue plug which connects from the PC to the monitor, is this blug plug at the top of the computer (where the USB ports are, and the power lead) or is it further down towards the bottom of the case?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Captain Spencer on August 24, 2010, 16:14:50
unscrew the outside panel of your computer off. or in other terms: take off the outer shell of the computer ;D

Hi Deltaecho,

Valleyforge said he/she is not very computer savvy, which is why I would not recommend unscrewing the case of the computer unless you know what you are doing. Moving a single cable or lead may damage your computer or software.

Regards,
Adam
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: valleyforge on August 24, 2010, 16:15:40
The blue plug is right about in the middle
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: saltydog on August 24, 2010, 16:17:03
It might be usefull to do a little research before doing anything..
Try Googling "installing a graphics card" or so..   Lots of usefull reading material there.. ;)

Here's an example:  http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3118_7-5023982-1.html
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Captain Spencer on August 24, 2010, 16:17:58
The blue plug is right about in the middle

Hi Valleyforge,

Let's make things a little easier - can I suggest that if you wish to find out about your graphics to post a new topic in technical support. That means we can help you out on YOUR issue whilst keeping this thread ontopic :)

If you post a new topic, I will help you there.

Regards,
Adam
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: valleyforge on August 24, 2010, 16:19:18
Alright
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: mvsmith on August 24, 2010, 16:52:13
Hi Adam,
So far as I know, HP Slimlines have a motherboard by ASUS and integrated graphics. There may be a single PCI Express x16 slot available.
Regards,
Marty
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Captain Spencer on August 24, 2010, 16:56:54
Thanks for the info Marty, I'll pass this on :)
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: dodweb on August 24, 2010, 16:58:05
Does indeed seem that way. Though, if I found the right computer, it has a very limited PSU (350watts perhaps?) and probably insufficient cooling to start with. Adding an advanced GFX-card to that could cause problems both with power and heat. Perhaps a GT240? It should run the game at least, I'll have to look into its power draw..

Another word of caution for you valleyforge is that I'm not even sure if your case will even support a full-width graphics card! It seems too narrow, somehow? Length would also be a concern. If it was me, I'd find an OK midi-tower case, get a new PSU and then look for a proper graphics card...

(http://www.pacificgeek.com/productimages/xl/KT380AAR.jpg)
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Captain Spencer on August 24, 2010, 16:59:40
Yes the power requirements are a worry, especially as most new graphics cards require two PCI-X power cables, which most mass-produced consumer PC's do not generally have.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: mvsmith on August 24, 2010, 17:15:22
The trend with the newer cards, like the ATI HD5850, is to double-width requiring two adjacent slots.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Captain Spencer on August 24, 2010, 17:19:02
Yes you are both right. If that picture above is the actual computer Valleyforge has, then it tells me that he will have a few things to do in order to upgrade his graphics card.

The computer above is a slimline case, designed to be compact for the SOHO user so it has not been designed to accommodate serious hardware upgrades. However these have already been mentioned above :)

Edit: Typo.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: valleyforge on August 24, 2010, 17:26:30
Ok. Wasnt expecting it to be this difficult, but ok.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Captain Spencer on August 24, 2010, 17:30:10
Well unfortunately one thing leads to another when it comes to computer hardware. It's not always so simple I'm afraid  :-\
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: valleyforge on August 24, 2010, 17:31:46
Someone mentioned a new PSU. Whats that?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Captain Spencer on August 24, 2010, 17:33:59
Someone mentioned a new PSU. Whats that?

Basically this is the part that you plug the power lead into the back of the computer. This device will distribute power between all the working components in your computer system :)

It's abbrevieated PSU for Power Supply Unit.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: benmoorhouse on August 24, 2010, 18:08:14
I'm running an iMac (all too aware its not the best gaming machine) with XP installed.

I have:
2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
4 GB RAM
ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro (256 MB)

I appreciate I'm not going to be running it on anywhere near full settings but should that play the game?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Captain Spencer on August 24, 2010, 18:18:48
Hi there benmoorhouse,

It's difficult to say with your particular card because it is a mid-range card. I think you might struggle a little with SSE but you never know! :)
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: benmoorhouse on August 24, 2010, 18:43:12
Struggle a little meaning low settings or no way?  :blush:
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Captain Spencer on August 24, 2010, 18:44:33
Well it's difficult to say without trying it I'm afraid :-\
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: TNeves on August 24, 2010, 19:59:00
Struggle a little meaning low settings or no way?  :blush:

Just guessing, off course, but I would say low settings :thumbs:
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: kawaknaller on August 26, 2010, 09:29:46
The ATI 5850 is more than adequate. I get frame rates between 20-30, in most cases, on SSE.
The only question, which only the developers can answer: Is an nvidia GPU better able to pick up the inter-frame processing load?

Dude....under 25 fps isn't acceptable and hardly playable.
FPS always has to be 25+
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: kawaknaller on August 26, 2010, 09:48:27
I hope they build in FSAA now, thats the only thing I missed in the last release.
BTW...I have an almost 3years old system and still run ALL games on max. res (1920x1080) and settings.

Used gfx card is the Asus GTX275 (from last year)

About the cooling stuf some ppl wrote....both Nvidia and ATI release their products with decent cooling fans.
Both companies also release various tools for fan control. Just google and use those... :captain:
So its rly no nesecary to spent loads of extra money on cooling your videocard.

On the site it says release date is the 27th of august...so hope I can donwload it tomorrow and start sailing.

Happy sailing all!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Roger on August 26, 2010, 13:21:46
Zotac GT240 1024MB ZONE DDR3 HDMI PCIE

Will it work?!
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Captain Spencer on August 26, 2010, 13:24:30
Hi Roger,

You shouldn't have any issues with that card, although it does depend on how high you can have the graphics due to the other hardware in your system :)
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: deltaecho on August 26, 2010, 13:42:45
Dude....under 25 fps isn't acceptable and hardly playable.
FPS always has to be 25+
even though its an older game, my FSX had a target frame rate of 20fps and it was smooth and not choppy at all
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: 2000 on August 26, 2010, 13:55:16
My graphics card is a PNY Geforce 8400gs do you think it will work?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Roger on August 26, 2010, 14:03:28
8400 is not as fast as a 8800 GT (minimum specs)
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: 2000 on August 26, 2010, 14:16:46
the 8800gt is minimum!!!!! >:( :'( I thought it was recomended. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: TJK on August 26, 2010, 14:22:17
well it starts with the lowest and go up so the 8800 are minimum and all above that are even better




edit:typo
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Captain Spencer on August 26, 2010, 14:23:43
Hi all,

There may well be cards lower than a 8800GT that are capable of running the game, however, for good performance (such as a decent framerate for example) that card has been set as the minimum :)
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: 2000 on August 26, 2010, 14:28:04
well it starts with the lowest and go up so the 8800 are minimum and all above that are even batter



What does batter mean?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Captain Spencer on August 26, 2010, 14:28:42
What does batter mean?


It means better :)
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: 2000 on August 26, 2010, 14:29:57
I was going to buy a new card anyway when i got the game. :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: TJK on August 26, 2010, 14:30:43
It means better :)

yes it dos, typo sorry, Thanks Adam
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: deltaecho on August 26, 2010, 14:31:20
I was going to buy a new card anyway when i got the game. :2thumbs:
same. mines supposed to arrive tommorow
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: dodweb on August 26, 2010, 15:09:18
Used gfx card is the Asus GTX275 (from last year)

About the cooling stuf some ppl wrote....both Nvidia and ATI release their products with decent cooling fans.
Both companies also release various tools for fan control. Just google and use those... :captain:
So its rly no nesecary to spent loads of extra money on cooling your videocard.

I had a GTX275 for a few months, but the wafers separated due to nvidias less-than-perfect silicone packing thechnique, as the stock cooler was not able to keep it cold enough at 100% speed. Every time I came over 71 degrees celcius core-temp there would the warping of the layers and the card would disconnect, cool down, come online again for a few moments, then start warping again as it got over 71c. Having had a longer talk with the one of the teamleaders at the largest hardware importer/distributor in Norway, it seems that was quite a common problem.

I could have sorted the problem with adding an aftermarket watercoolingblock inline with the rest of my watercooling, and kept it well under 71c under 100% load, but I dont like running faulty hardware in my main rig and I got a good deal on a replacement GTX470. I would hardly consider the fan (reference design afaik) as "decent". It moves far too little air to keep the card cool (peaks at 100c at 100% fan speed and 100% load) while making far too much sound. While I dont have a dB meter available, I know that my mothers Miele 1200W vacuum cleaner makes less noise (tested the old fashioned way, put the two next to eachother and turned them both up..)

Not surprisingly, the GTX470 also died a few weeks ago (had it since release), and I have a replacement waiting for me at the post office. I'll probably watercool that one right away before it burns too.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Eelkon on August 26, 2010, 15:16:02
My ATi, was before i mounted a Accelero twin turbo cooler on it always 80/90 degrees without any problems.
I bought a aftermarket cooler because the low noise and better cooling. After a year, one of the ram cooling blocks fell of and the ATi was burned :P.
I got myself now a EVGA Geforce GTX260 superclocked :)
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: larsdehaan on August 26, 2010, 15:16:26
hey i have a nvidia geforce 9600m gt (cuda 1 gb) and will sse work with my card?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: dodweb on August 26, 2010, 15:20:20
Based on beta-testers experience with the game it should work, but it will also depend on the rest of your system.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Tracker on August 26, 2010, 15:20:59
Dude....under 25 fps isn't acceptable and hardly playable.
FPS always has to be 25+

As no-one else counters this..... Kawa, as you lack a few biology/science classes..... the human eye sees 16-21 fps as fluent, everything above it the human eye will not notice. Personally I recommend 19-20 fps as most suitable and most fluent but that is just my 2 cents I guess.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: larsdehaan on August 26, 2010, 15:21:37
then it should work pretty good i almost deleted every big game and others that i do  not play anymore
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Ciroton on August 26, 2010, 15:31:45
Quick Question: I have an ATI RADEON 4670. It runs SS08 extremely well, even at the highest graphics setting. The computer also has, like, 2 - 5GB of ram. (I forgot how much exactly) Will it be able to run Extremes? I don't care much for graphical performance. If not, what card would you recommend? It needs to be good and on the cheap because I have no money myself and my father, who handles all the techy buys in the house, is cheap.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: deltaecho on August 26, 2010, 15:32:58
attach your dxdiag with a post
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Ciroton on August 26, 2010, 15:50:04
Sorry about that. I made my previous post on my Laptop, which I know has no chance in hell of playing SSE.

Here you all go then.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Tracker on August 26, 2010, 15:52:47
I believe the R4670 has 2 Gb internal RAM at least.... it should be able to run SSE at an appreciable level for you.
Jusy my humble opinion on your card. Ofcourse and improvement would also mean a lot more improvement SSE-wise and more programs/games.
Personally I would not buy a new g-card, but wait and see how SSE runs on my rig before thinking about it.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Tracker on August 26, 2010, 15:56:15
Huh???
512 Mb only????

Must be my old grey matter going haywire then :doh:
512 is far too little to actually even play patience on windows itself.... j/k
in that case I can only recommend a new g/c... anyone with a nice and cheap one for the bloke?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: dodweb on August 26, 2010, 16:06:10
As no-one else counters this..... Kawa, as you lack a few biology/science classes..... the human eye sees 16-21 fps as fluent, everything above it the human eye will not notice. Personally I recommend 19-20 fps as most suitable and most fluent but that is just my 2 cents I guess.

Perhaps you should retake the same classes some day? We are not digital machines, but electrochemical and quite analogue. We do not see in "frames". How many frames the human eyes should be exposed to per timeunit for the brain to percieve it as a fluid motion depends entierly on the content of the frame and the method of projection. Fastmoving games without motion blurring will hardly appear anything close to "fluent" at 20 or even 40fps. It also depends on the person seeing, and which part of they eye is seeing it.

http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
http://www.significant-bits.com/framerates-do-matter

My primary gaming monitor just got upgraded from 60 to 120Hz and in fast games without motion blur it's a world of difference.

If we truly saw at such a low "fps", we would all be seeing this effect with a lot of different things: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDTRMauSHSo

And really, Tracker, 2GB graphics memory on a card from late 2008? Its only just now become available on the highend cards from ATI, and only the GTX460 from nVidia. I'd advice Ciroton to try the game and then upgrade incase it was not performing as he wanted.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Tracker on August 26, 2010, 16:09:06
I stand corrected and backed-up in a way ;)
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Ciroton on August 26, 2010, 16:14:05
Huh???
512 Mb only????

Must be my old grey matter going haywire then :doh:
512 is far too little to actually even play patience on windows itself.... j/k
in that case I can only recommend a new g/c... anyone with a nice and cheap one for the bloke?

That computer has been known to lie before. (Back on Laptop) When we first go it, the machine INSISTED that we only had 25GB of Memory while we had 500GB in actuality. Likewise, if I remember right, the Graphics card is supposed to have 1 GB of memory. So, I'll install it and try it. If it doesn't work, I'll gladly take any suggestions posted here. =D
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: deltaecho on August 26, 2010, 21:32:47
my nvidia geforce gt 240 just arrived. hope its works well :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Roger on August 26, 2010, 22:01:44
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

GTS240 will work, GT240 ends up with 773?

(8800GT - minimum specs - has a score of 944)

Roger
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Kevinmcg_ships on August 26, 2010, 22:19:40
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

GTS240 will work, GT240 ends up with 773?

(8800GT - minimum specs - has a score of 944)

Roger

So are you saying the older 8800GT is better than the newer GT240?  :o

The benchmark is very handy should I ever need to replace my faithful old 8800GT in future....I did consider about getting a GT240 should my graphic card ever go to silicon heaven  :angel: ....now I will be looking at GTS 250 instead.

Cheers for the link, you will have saved me a big disappointment (and money) in future!
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Roger on August 26, 2010, 22:31:36
So are you saying the older 8800GT is better than the newer GT240?  :o


I don't say that but that's what the benchmark says.

I don't understand the resultst sometimes, but why should they be wrong...
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Kevinmcg_ships on August 26, 2010, 22:47:26
I don't say that but that's what the benchmark says.

I don't understand the resultst sometimes, but why should they be wrong...

I think it may have something to do with cheap components or low-end parts used in some graphic cards. I'm quite surprised to see several graphic cards with a 1GB memory scoring lower benchmark results than my 512Mb 8800GT.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: kawaknaller on August 27, 2010, 11:48:11
even though its an older game, my FSX had a target frame rate of 20fps and it was smooth and not choppy at all

Lol...you braindead or smthing? :doh:

It seems (as I write further under as well) that form science pov fps between 20-25 would be enuf for most humans but its still personal. For my its obvious that it has to be over 25 for my gameplay tbh.

Sry for my rude reply.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: kawaknaller on August 27, 2010, 11:51:18
I had a GTX275 for a few months, but the wafers separated due to nvidias less-than-perfect silicone packing thechnique, as the stock cooler was not able to keep it cold enough at 100% speed. Every time I came over 71 degrees celcius core-temp there would the warping of the layers and the card would disconnect, cool down, come online again for a few moments, then start warping again as it got over 71c. Having had a longer talk with the one of the teamleaders at the largest hardware importer/distributor in Norway, it seems that was quite a common problem.

I could have sorted the problem with adding an aftermarket watercoolingblock inline with the rest of my watercooling, and kept it well under 71c under 100% load, but I dont like running faulty hardware in my main rig and I got a good deal on a replacement GTX470. I would hardly consider the fan (reference design afaik) as "decent". It moves far too little air to keep the card cool (peaks at 100c at 100% fan speed and 100% load) while making far too much sound. While I dont have a dB meter available, I know that my mothers Miele 1200W vacuum cleaner makes less noise (tested the old fashioned way, put the two next to eachother and turned them both up..)

Not surprisingly, the GTX470 also died a few weeks ago (had it since release), and I have a replacement waiting for me at the post office. I'll probably watercool that one right away before it burns too.

I strill have it and its out of the box ruinning smooth. No noise or irritaded sounds. Only thing is that it stands under my table so my table will absorb some noise but even when I go close tou it I hardly hear anything.
Perhaps its due to the fact that all hw is buiuld-in a Antec nineteen hundred sytemcase. Gives you by default 4 fans....
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: 2000 on August 27, 2010, 11:52:46
 :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: kawaknaller on August 27, 2010, 11:56:10
As no-one else counters this..... Kawa, as you lack a few biology/science classes..... the human eye sees 16-21 fps as fluent, everything above it the human eye will not notice. Personally I recommend 19-20 fps as most suitable and most fluent but that is just my 2 cents I guess.

never took those classes as I was more interested in computers anyway.
But...20-25fps should be alright for ppl I read here and there on the internet but its still personal.

When I have my games under 25 I see not smooth grafix/performance....perhaps you see it in another way.
As long we both like the game, right?
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Denis on August 27, 2010, 12:28:35
Lol...you braindead or smthing? :doh:

It seems (as I write further under as well) that form science pov fps between 20-25 would be enuf for most humans but its still personal. For my its obvious that it has to be over 25 for my gameplay tbh.

Sry for my rude reply.

The FSX "target frame rate" setting doesnt mean your Flight Simulator X runs at the level you specified. It's the minimum level the game will try to maintain by automatically reducing details if needed. But if your specs are good enough, you might have set a 20fps target frame rate, and the game running at 30 or 40 fps.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: deltaecho on August 27, 2010, 13:52:59
240gt runs like a charm. everything on high settings, no lag :thumbs:
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Captain Spencer on August 27, 2010, 13:55:18
Hi Delta,

Would you mind posting your system specs please? It might provide people with a more reliable comparison system, for the benefit of others.

Only if you want to though :)
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Matthew Brown on August 27, 2010, 14:11:54
I wouldn't mind having a look  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: dodweb on August 27, 2010, 20:27:07
My laptop is, as expected, not able to handle the game very well.

Core 2 Duo T9300, 2x2,5GHz
4GB (fairly fast) DDR2 ram + 1GB Intel Turbo memory
8600m GT w/ 512MB ram
Win 7 64bit

With all details at low, minimum ocean movement and no terrain (open ocean) it will go past 15fps.
I've also finished the first Sigita and first Greenpeace missions, they would however average far below 10fps (docking the Red Arrow 4 orwhateveritsnamed in Sidney Harbour with snow and fog was done with some skill in expectating ship movements far into the future, but mostly a lot of luck).

Slow cruising with the Esperanza around all the Bora Bora isles and reefs works fairly well, so I'll stick to that until i get home (on vacation in germany for a few weeks) to my gaming PC.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: deltaecho on August 28, 2010, 03:07:09
dxdiag for all to see. game runs smooth as a.....something thats smooth?? anyway, not choppy what so ever runs game max everything. message me if you have any questions :2thumbs:
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: sirchunks30 on September 10, 2010, 15:58:06
Ok.. well i have the ATI Radeon HD 3200 and im desperate to know if i have to get a new graphics card for ship simulator extremes. on the shipsim.com website it says Geforce 8800GT or ATI Radeon 4850. should i change my card???? Please Help : I
the game needs a ati 4150 so your card needs updating i have a 5650 ati 1 gig graphics whats your processer and the speed of it
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: bsm2003 on September 10, 2010, 16:59:49
Here is my system in case people want to know.
Game runs flawless max settings.

------------------
System Information
------------------
Time of this report: 9/10/2010, 10:59:29
       Machine name: BRIANBOX
   Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_gdr.100618-1621)
           Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
       System Model: System Product Name
               BIOS: BIOS Date: 01/07/09 10:53:24 Ver: 08.00.14
          Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8500  @ 3.16GHz (2 CPUs), ~3.2GHz
             Memory: 8192MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 8192MB RAM
          Page File: 1668MB used, 14712MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\Windows
    DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
   User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
 System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
    DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
     DxDiag Version: 6.01.7600.16385 64bit Unicode

---------------
Display Devices
---------------
          Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT
       Manufacturer: NVIDIA
          Chip type: GeForce 9800 GT
           DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
         Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0605&SUBSYS_0606196E&REV_A2
     Display Memory: 4069 MB
   Dedicated Memory: 997 MB
      Shared Memory: 3071 MB
       Current Mode: 1680 x 1050 (32 bit) (60Hz)
       Monitor Name: ACER P223W (Analog)
      Monitor Model: Acer P221W
         Monitor Id: ACR0016
        Native Mode: 1680 x 1050(p) (59.883Hz)
        Output Type: DVI
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Cpt Jonnie Pee on September 11, 2010, 10:36:36
Hi Guys - sorry to be a pain!

I'm really non technical with puters!

I'm currently running an ATI HD 2400 PRO - which actually runs SSE well - in low or medium mode.

Not having a lot of cash to splash - a tech guy recomended GT240(DDR3) - I see someone says it runs ok with this card.

Is it worth the money and will I see a difference (I only really play SS - and the odd flight sim 2004!! - Maybe upgrade to FSX!)

Any help and advice greatly recieved!

Cpt Jonnie Pee  :captain:
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: fam-morf2 on September 11, 2010, 18:28:21
If you have more than a tausand € then you can buy the Sapphire ATI Radeon Toxic HD5970 Grafikkarte (PCI-e, 4GB GDDR5 Speicher, DVI) (http://Sapphire ATI Radeon Toxic HD5970 Grafikkarte (PCI-e, 4GB GDDR5 Speicher, DVI))

EDIT: http://www.amazon.de/Sapphire-Radeon-HD5970-Grafikkarte-Speicher/dp/B003NN4F2K/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1284226229&sr=1-4


if the other link does not work...
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: Your_A_Nation on September 14, 2010, 14:06:17
on the off chance anyone needs a graphics card i have 2 NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT card.  email me lampshade120@yahoo.com if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Graphics Cards
Post by: carolyny476 on September 16, 2010, 03:48:59
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339

this is a great card for the price. its what i have in my machine. itl play SS08 maxed and i hear itl play newer games fine if you dont use a real high resolution.

Thanks for sharing the link!