Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator Extremes => Topic started by: valleyforge on June 01, 2010, 01:34:25
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2 screenshots of SSE appears to be showing the Nisshin Maru and the Yushin Maru 3, as well as something that appears to be an Anti-Whaling Vessel in the background on picture number 14/17. The pictures are on: http://www.shipsim.com/products/shipsimulatorextremes. The screenshots are numbers 14/17, and 16/17.
And also: I'm not trying to start arguments with this poll(even though I probably shouldn't have made this a poll). The question is simply: Do you think these ships will be in the game based on the pictures i listed? I'm not concerned with if Greenpeace will allow it, if SSE thinks it's right, etc. Please don't get this topic banned. Thank you.
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If you mean are there any Sea Shepherd ships, then no, there aren't.
There are some whalers in SSE though.
EDIT: Welcome to the forum!
I'd just like to point out that it is frowned upon to make topics with polls in them. Instead, choose 'Start New Topic'.
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Hi ValleyForge,
Sadely no the Sea Sheapard Ships are not in SSE but the Nishan Maru and the Yusian Maru 1, 2 and 3 are in SSE but not the Bob Barker or the Steve Irwin! But Vstep has signed an agreement with greenpeace to not prohibit sea sheapherd Ships into SSE
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No yushin maru, We saw two harpoon vessels like this
(http://weblog.greenpeace.org/oceandefenders/images/stop_whaling2007/ships/20070219_heli_327_430.jpg)
This is the Kyo Maru No.1
The yushin maru 1, 2 and 3 looks like this
(http://weblog.greenpeace.org/oceandefenders/images/stop_whaling2007/ships/20070219_heli_357_430.jpg)
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Research my foot ! They should be torpedoed ! I would not appreciate them in `Ship Sim`anyway.
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Topic says it all
Topic says it all.
You guys must be twins!
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just what I was thinking :doh:
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No yushin maru, We saw two harpoon vessels like this
(http://weblog.greenpeace.org/oceandefenders/images/stop_whaling2007/ships/20070219_heli_327_430.jpg)
This is the Kyo Maru No.1
The yushin maru 1, 2 and 3 looks like this
(http://weblog.greenpeace.org/oceandefenders/images/stop_whaling2007/ships/20070219_heli_357_430.jpg)
u sure the harpoon ships are kyo marus in SSE the yushins are the same thing but longer, faster and better tech. i dont know why they'd put the old harpoon ships in the game not the new ones
heres a yushin maru
(http://animal.discovery.com/tv/whale-wars/pictures/images/whale-wars-03.jpg)
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Because the missions in SSE from Greenpeace are a long time ago.
Its has been a couple of years since Greenpeace was in the Antartic to confront the whaling fleed.
I think there was only Yushin Maru 1 in that time.
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Whale Wars is not to make SSE a war game, just a simulation game. And there are no weapons, only water cannons. So Ship Simulator Extremes won't be like other war games. There is also no point on making a poll for a ridiculous question. Not being rude here.
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Whale Wars is not to make SSE a war game, just a simulation game. And there are no weapons, only water cannons. So Ship Simulator Extremes won't be like other war games. There is also no point on making a poll for a ridiculous question. Not being rude here.
You do know Whale Wars has nothing to do with guns right!
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You do know Whale Wars has nothing to do with guns right!
No, but it has a lot to do with ramming people, having stun grenade fights and general un-seaman like behaviour. But it's a topic we've been banned from discussing because it's so hotly debated.
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Indeed.. yet, if people play nice, we can allow a little chit-chat about this subject again.
But I must again post a note... Don't let these kinda things get out of hand again please..
Whaling might be wrong, but going about acting like pirates is too.
So please, if you must discuss it, do it with well informed and substantiated remarks. We need your help to keep it clean and not reflect badly upon the forum.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Kind regards,
Fred
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Oke how do we get from,
The differents between the harpoon boats.
To
ramming and telling us that SSE is not a war game.
I mean SS= Ship Simulator. Not Shoot Ship or something.
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if you keep the water cannons long enough on the ship next to you maybe it sinks
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Something makes me doubt that.
Rain.
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if you keep the water cannons long enough on the ship next to you maybe it sinks
im sorry but thats dumb :P
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im sorry but thats dumb :P
Then have you ever heard about the water jet cutter?
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Yeah, look at the distance it operates away from the material being cut though. You want to get that close, you had better be protected. And what would they want with them anyway? Blowing
Scientific Samples whales to bits?
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Whale Wars? Blah. :P So unprofessional.
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Whale Wars? Blah. :P So unprofessional.
Yes but extremely effective not only in saving whales but bringing it up to the masses who are unaware.
I find it offensive that the Shonan and Yushin class ships are in SSE... but it will be fun taking them out.
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This game is a simulation game.
And not a enviromental 'I want to save the planet by ramming other ships' game.
The only thing I care about are the ships included and what they can offer us.
Not about anything being offensive biceaus this game has nothing to do with social or political conflicts.
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Maybe that`s a little bit like saying "There`s nothing wrong with playing with guns so long as you don`t shoot anyone". So why give your `custom` to the gunmaker in the first place, if you see what I mean ? Just a thought !
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Ah but....
There's Greenpeace ships in the game, not Sea Shepard ships.
As far as I know, the former does not resort to the piracy that the latter does. So it's not an incentive to go ramming, as I see it. On the contrary.. ;)
Fred
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Is it possible to sail the japanese ships?
Besides the fact what they stand for, I think they're beautiful.
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Is it possible to sail the japanese ships?
Besides the fact what they stand for, I think they're beautiful.
Im against whaling but.
I hope that the japanese whaling vessel are playable too for online.
That the Esperanza is blocking the nisshin maru.
And you have to manoeuver the Kyo Maru.
Between the Nisshin maru and the esperanza to make the whale transfer
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that does sound very cool even though im against whaling but im sure greenpeace would never alow it
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What has greenpeace have to do with allowing vstep to put sea shepherd ships in a game, yes or no :-\
...the hell...?
They're even sailing under a dutch flag.
Really this is ridiculous
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i have the idea that not many japanes gamers are gonna buy ship simulator extremes.
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What has greenpeace have to do with allowing vstep to put sea shepherd ships in a game, yes or no :-\
...the hell...?
They're even sailing under a dutch flag.
Really this is ridiculous
The presence of the Greenpeace ships in SSE is only with the permission of that organization. If they are unhappy with their negative characterization in some of these posts, that permission might be withdrawn.
Other topics have been locked because they degenerated into arguments. This topic may suffer the same fate.
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What are they gonna do Ban SSE in Japan lol, woulnt it be funny to see a whaler try and rune his own ship lol
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The presence of the Greenpeace ships in SSE is only with the permission of that organization. If they are unhappy with their negative characterization in some of these posts, that permission might be withdrawn.
Other topics have been locked because they degenerated into arguments. This topic may suffer the same fate.
I'm sorry, but did you just copied and paste that from a standard quote document :police:
Really, that was pretty weird :lol:
Allright, but I understand opinions can't be said for some reason. I'm cool.
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This game is a simulation game.
And not a enviromental 'I want to save the planet by ramming other ships' game.
The only thing I care about are the ships included and what they can offer us.
Not about anything being offensive biceaus this game has nothing to do with social or political conflicts.
It is not all about that. :)
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if we want to talk about sailing the japanese ships, go to my poll on the main SSE part of the forums and vote
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Well heres my first post.
I am against whaling. I am probably the only 15 yr old who know's who Sea Shepard is or Paul Watson. Atleast in PA. When I did see I think the Yushin Maru I thought SS was going to be in there. But as I see now they are not. I still want to see a mission dealing with the whalers which will be in the game most likely.
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Hi Bears Escape (Nice name :thumbs:)
There will be missions where Greenpeace will be tackling whalers. There are three GP vessels, Esperanza, Billy G., and Rainbow Warrior III.
SS's tactics were considered far too unseamanlike to be suitable for Ship Simulator.
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Yes there is only Greenpeace :thumbs: I (we) do know all about Sea shepherd and I am a big a fan but to be honest when I see Greenpeace In Ship Simulator instead of Sea Shepherd, it's ok.
The main thing is that there IS actually Antartica in the game which is brill, both organiszations have the same objectives. And at the end of the day I don't mind sailing a few Greepeace ship. All in the name of whales
Kind Regards
Matthew :thumbs:
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sea sheperd is more aggresive than greenpeace in sse is a PEACEFULL game.
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I have to agree. As long as there is some way to stop the whaling in Ship Sim. And if SS isn't in there and Greenpeace is, I am not mad.
(And yes Bears Escape is what my ships name will be once I get one) :captain:
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The main thing is that there IS actually Antartica in the game which is brill
Antarctica is not in the game.
The Antarctic environment is a small piece of the Southern Ocean just south of the Antarctic Circle at about 67 degrees south, and about 175 km north of the continent of Antarctica.
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Yes, I know what the difference is. It's just easy for relating to it in a post.
Other wise I could have said
The main thing is that there IS actually the Antarctic environment, a small piece of the Southern Ocean just south of the Antarctic Circle at about 67 degrees south, and about 175 km north of the continent of Antarctica. in the game which is brill.
That's why I just shortened it :doh:
And besides I don't recall the Greenpeace base being built on a floating iceberg? ??? It looked like it was on land to me. ::)
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Hi Matthew,
The real Greenpeace World Park Base was on Ross Island adjacent to the continent. In the game it is on a rocky island.
Regards,
Marty
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there will no sea sheperd ships in sse if v-step does not make a deal with sea shepherd because of the copyrights. you can't use a ship that is not yours.
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I was looking forward to ramming the Andy Gil as well..!!
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I was looking forward to ramming the Andy Gil as well..!!
FAIL xD
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I was looking forward to ramming the Andy Gil as well..!!
That’s Ady Gill; she was scuttled by her own crew on Watson’s orders—to gain sympathy.
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After being rammed by the Nishin Maru... I'm surprised one/both of the Captains involved didn't face some sort of legal repercussions over that incident. However, I suspect that too much talk about specific incidents will get the thread locked...
there will no sea sheperd ships in sse if v-step does not make a deal with sea shepherd because of the copyrights. you can't use a ship that is not yours.
Sea Shepherd does not own the copyright on a fifty year old ship they bought second hand. The issue would be with trademark infringement not copyright, and the "fair use" of trademarks is much broader than the fair use of copyrights. As long as VSTEP accurately portrays the trademark owners and does not attempt to confuse the consumer regarding who owns the trademark, they are (should be) covererd by fair use. For example, I can't market a cell phone and call it an iPhone because Apple owns the iPhone trademark, and that would be an obvious attempt to confuse consumers. But if I wanted to write a novel or game where the main character uses an Apple iPhone there is not a thing Apple could do to stop me... as long as I correctly portrayed it as an Apple iPhone. Any lawsuit Apple wanted to file would be for libel or slander, not trademark infringement.
Consider FSX; there are multiple aircraft models for sale from third parties and it seems unlikely that all those companies obtained licenses from every aircraft manufacturer. But, the aircraft are modelled as accurately as possible and no attempt is made to confuse the consumer over who owns the trademark. It is also possible to download "skins" for various aircraft, so if I want to fly an Air Canada Airbus 320 or a Luthansa Boeing 747 I can likely do so. If the aim of FSX was to fly Air Canada Airbus 320s into skyscrapers I'm sure the lawyers at Air Canada and Airbus would take exception; because that does not accurately portray the use of their products.
Having said all that, the easiest thing for VSTEP to do is avoid all the lawyer nonsense and not even go there.
SS's tactics were considered far too unseamanlike to be suitable for Ship Simulator.
SS's tactics aside, what is "too unseamanlike to be suitable"? Is manuevering that close suitable in rescue missions? Or supply-transfer missions? Can I make a "Police raid on Drug Smuggler" mission?
VSTEP's stance should be "we model what ships do". Nothing more, nothing less.
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Ah, see the confusion there..... er.... ummm.... !:) The Andy Gil is an annoying speedboat that keeps getting in my way coming out of Gosport... er.....nothing to do with Whale Wars in any way... that's another boat altogether...(cough!)....!
::) (walks off whistling, and wondering if he got away with it...)
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Wonder if someone could mod The Sea Shepherd into SSE?????
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Nope :-\
First: For VSTEP to add a ship to SSE, they have to have permission from Sea Shepherd themselves. Anyways, modding the game would be illigal (i'm 95% sure). So the only option would be to have it as an addon. And I'm pretty sure this will not happen, because Greenpeace is already in game. Sorry :thumbs:
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Even though they are fighting for the same cause Greenpeace and Sea Shepard's don't like each other at all. So Greenpeace would get angry at V-Step if they incorporated Sea Shepard in to the game. Granted it's possible to get Sea Sheppard in to the game it's very unlikely.
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As stated before, it was not Greenpeace's decision.
It was VSTEP who choose to include Greenpeace ships in their game.
There was never a contract signed to keep one or the other out of the game.
So if VSTEP in the future decided to include an add-on of one Sea Shepherd Ship then they could if they wanted!
I don't think Greenpeace would get angry though, as that would just be bringing silly politics into an entertainment PC game :doh:
I know Virtual Sailor is different... But it has both Greenpeace ships AND Sea Shepherd ships in game.
I don't see Greenpeace going mad and making a lawsuit against the creators of Virtual Sailor and the makers of the models! :doh:
Only time will tell, but I'm sure to please many players it might well be a possibility. :)
I wouldn't say "incorporate" them into the game though... As Greenpeace are the main subject at the moment. But putting one Sea Shepherd ship in the shipyard at a later date would probably be the best thing. So then you only buy and download it if you want it, and if you don't then that wouldn't be a problem you can just keep the Greenpeace ships!
Kind Regards
Matthew :thumbs:
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Keep in mind though, there is a huge ammount of real-life maritime professionals that play this game.
And one of the two organisations in question do things that most real mariners would never agree with, as it is not good/smart seamanship and even puts ships and crew at great risk, on both sides of the fence.
So as such, it might not sell very well. And if you knew how much time and money it costs to develop a ship and put it up for sale in the shipyard, then you can imagine that you have to have a certain return on it. And you have to feel certain beforehand that it will pay for it's own development and then make some profit too.
If it doesn't, it's not a smart move, business wise. And in the end, everyone needs to pay their rent and eat their dinner. I personally would think more money would be made by putting ships on the shipyard that speak to a much broader audience, with more versatility and more revolving around the maritime sector as far as cargo ships and such go.
And keep in mind, you can't really do anything with a Sea Shepard vessel that you can't already do with a Greenpeace vessel. So it would not make for really radically different mission ideas. Except for those that are so much into the environmental issues that they'd make that distinction. And alas, that's only a very small part of the end user group.
I bet most sailors and skippers here would opt for cargo vessels of many kinds, different ferries, inland shipping, and such.
So from that standpoint, I don't think it would happen easily either.
Regards,
Fred
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did greenpeace say they arent happy if ss gets in sse? maybe they are happy,(so you all want that whales die???) and if you dont want to sail them then dont use them
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Well I don't think Greenpeace have ever made a statement saying they would be unhappy as after all as I said it would just be silly to bring that into a game.
And your quite right Laars, if people don't want to use a Sea Shepherd ship they don't have to.
That's why I thought it to be a good idea if it was just a shipyard vessel.
Then only the people who really wanted to sail them would purchase it and have fun!
:thumbs:
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Matthew Brown, keep in mind that some people look at Sea Shepherd as a criminal organization, their leader will be arrested if he enters certain countries. I'm getting kind of tired of your Sea Shepherd agenda on these boards.
The best thing to avoid flaming is to ban discussions about them, as they do on many other forums. And it certainly wouldn't be a good idea to let them become part of computer games.
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well ill say it again (norway did whale too right?) DO YOU WANT WHALES TO DIE?? (all) it is good and bad what ss does they fight for the whales but they do bad things