Ship Simulator
English forum => Ship Simulator Extremes => General discussions => Topic started by: Matthew Brown on May 19, 2010, 10:37:29
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What do you think about the developer diaries idea? Anything you really liked in them?
I think it's a great idea to keep us interested in the game, it definately made me laugh a lot! :thumbs:
And Im going to be really interested to see what the other ones are like ;D
Once again thanks VSTEP :) Good job.
Edit: In case you wonder, you can read the diaries in this thread (http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,18791.0.html)!
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I think it's brilliant :thumbs:
Now I can see what makes those Vstep guys tick... :evil:
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Hi Frank
I am sure this will be followed by a lot of members any idea when the first
one will be .
Eric
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The first one is already out ;D
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It's nice to see that the developers have tried to put some more interest in the community now - and it is well received for sure. However, I wouldn't necessarily think this as a diary as such.
Might be nice if VSTEP put a bit more 'behind the scenes' in it. Tell what is has been like to develop the game, where you had some problems with the new waves system for example?
How about telling us about something like the hardware or software you use? What your offices are like - do you posses a fan ;D
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What kind of coffee you like ;D
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What kind of coffee you like ;D
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The first one is already out ;D
The first one was out 7 months ago in issue 2 of the shipsim magazine ;)
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What kind of coffee you like ;D
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We need a 'Like' feature on the forum maybe?
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Perhaps, but this is not about the developer diaries is it? It's turning into a debate about coffee ;D
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no, we just want to know what coffee Frank has...
It would be interesting to see some pics from the development... DC(ITSE) as a wireframe?
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Those players who have the Collectors Edition of SS2008 (English version) have a very good video presentation which shows the VStep office and staff at work. It also shows some of the development work on SSExtremes. Attached is a picture of Calais from Nautis. It shows that POR can manage quite nicely if the loading ramp is lowered to the correct level. :-* I would think that the port will be very similar in SSExtremes.
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no, we just want to know what coffee Frank has...
It would be interesting to see some pics from the development... DC(ITSE) as a wireframe?
Sorry to disappoint you guys, but I'm not a regular coffee junk.
I drink it, though only occassionally.
Suggestion is welcome though, I will add a pic of the office with a next development diary. ;)
And for a real-time visualisation of the office and a sneek peak at (very early) Extremes work, check Traddles suggestion above...
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Suggestion is welcome though, I will add a pic of the office with a next development diary. ;)
And for a real-time visualisation of the office and a sneek peak at (very early) Extremes work, check Traddles suggestion above...
Sweet :thumbs:
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Give me a cup of good old tea any time, now that IS a nice idea. ;)
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It shows that POR can manage quite nicely if the loading ramp is lowered to the correct level. :-*
You can lower the loading ramp?
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This was meant as a theoretical idea. I have no idea as to whether this IS possible. Imagination is part of the game very often. ::) It is obvious that the ramps are adjustable in reality to allow for the rise and fall of the tide and the differing levels of the loading gates on the ferries.
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Alright then ;)
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I would view the video but I only purchased the download version so I don't have it :-\
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The download version of the CE includes the video...
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The video is worth watching! :thumbs:
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The download version of the CE includes the video...
Hi Frank,
I meant I only have the standard version of Ship Simulator. I did not purchase the download or boxed version of the collectors edition as I already had paid for the game.
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so, if we started a few more campaines, like one for some Dover-Calais ferries for the Environment, then we may get it?
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so, if we started a few more campaines, like one for some Dover-Calais ferries for the Environment, then we may get it?
Get what?
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some Dover-Calais ferries for SSE, theres only 3 months to put them in.
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Just a tiny reminder, please don't go off topic too much.
This is just for talking about the Developer Diaries and what you liked in them! :thumbs:
General discussions are completely welcome here :) http://forum.shipsim.com/index.php/topic,15515.0.html
Kind Regards! :thumbs:
Matthew Brown
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Diary #2 (http://80.95.161.114/shipsim/forum/index.php/topic,18791.msg256673.html#msg256673) is live and ready, feel free to discuss!
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Another great post! Thanks Frank.
sAnd i'm sure that's going to answer a lot of people requests for vessels in the game :thumbs:
But it does look very hard, 48 steps :o
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http://www.slideshare.net/PjotrAtVSTEP/the-content-creation-workflow-of-the-ship-simulator-game
Gives visual explanation of today's Diary.
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At last, Frank has given the answer that i've been explaining to some members in the forum who complain about gettiing static ships like Flying Cloud and Wachthaven III added to SS08 without proper dynamics. It all has to do with the timing of developing ships and because they're trying to get SS Extremes ready by its launch date, they could not study of making more ships or super packs for SS08.
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I noticed something when going back and reading DD #1:
There are some things where one group of the forum would say « what they really, really – pretty please with sugar on top want » where another group of equal size would say « what they wouldn’t touch with a large iron pole if we ever dare to put it in the game » at the same time! I can say that from experience ;)
I dub it "The Titanic Wars."
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Well, I think that the Dev Diary #2 was just a repeat of what we already know. Nothing new.
Sorry!
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Sorry but calling these developer diaries is simply not fitting.
Personally, I would like the developers in the office to all write something about their experience in developing the new ship simulator game.
Give us the developers thoughts, not a short story about US! We want to know about YOU - what it's been like developing the game, what brick walls you've hit with the game, what it's been like as a developer in the VSTEP team.
We don't even know how many employees are even working at VSTEP. Who is it behind VSTEP and what do they do?
Come on VSTEP - you say you're listening so listen to this! :)
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Adam, as usual, well said!
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Adam, as usual, well said!
I agree.
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Sorry but calling these developer diaries is simply not fitting.
Personally, I would like the developers in the office to all write something about their experience in developing the new ship simulator game.
Give us the developers thoughts, not a short story about US! We want to know about YOU - what it's been like developing the game, what brick walls you've hit with the game, what it's been like as a developer in the VSTEP team.
We don't even know how many employees are even working at VSTEP. Who is it behind VSTEP and what do they do?
Come on VSTEP - you say you're listening so listen to this! :)
A diary is just a summarized list of events in a person's life. That's why we bout to not understand something but ask more questions about it. You don't only understand by reading every word on a line, but by picturing it in your head. If you don't like them to have developer diary and rather have them answer straightforward questions, why don't you just emailed them captainspencer , instead of raising it in the forum and maybe they would listen.
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Jack,
I know what a diary is and this is why I posted what I did above. I felt that what Frank is posting is simply not a diary, hence my post.
Also I think posting here in the forum is completely acceptable, since this is a topic for dicussing our thoughts on the Developer Diaries. Again, hence my post here in this thread.
I am happy that VSTEP are taking action by giving us screens and information, but the diaries need to BE a diary :)
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I hear you CaptainSpencer. Just remember we would never be talking about Vstep unless we see something, or they say something. Also this is a forum full of issues of SS so we can not predict or make assumptions when they would respond and then take action into it even if its worth their attention.
I'm sure they're listening but its the only matter of when they would respond. I'm not saying that i'm with the developer's diary, but at least they are responding and giving us the updates because we would never know what's going on inside Vstep.
Regards
K Jack
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Come on VSTEP - you say you're listening so listen to this! :)
You are of course entitled to differ, but please do not misunderstand a diary with a developer's diary. Every developer has a different take on these, and this is the route we have chosen to pursue: a pleasant, fun article, giving you inside information about different aspects of the game's development.
Do you doubt the fact that we are listening? Then let me doubt the fact that you are reading! ;)
Read the last two diaries again, and then tell me you have not learnt anything more from the game, about the decision process within VSTEP or from how things work to create part of the game, the legal aspect, etc.?
What's more, there are biweekly diary updates coming, so bear with us, and by the time Extremes is released you will have a fun collection of articles with plenty behind the scenes info.
Feedback has been nothing short of great for our diaries, so - despite your appreciated critique - we are continuing in this style, highlighting different aspects of development and issues we have come across. The majority of readers appreciates this kind of article to the dragging tech talk of a single team member. That's what dev interviews with a specific member of the team are for (which we will be having as well, for all you tech lovers out there)
And by the way Cpt.Spencer, I am always available to answer any questions about VSTEP you might still have.
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Hi Frank
I was wondering if you can answer is the new game staying with Qviewer the new one looks
very good from the shots and short movies they put out.
Eric
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Frank,
Thanks for your response - it's good to know you're keeping your eye on things ;)
However, I think calling these articles "diaries" isn't very fitting. Yes they do give us a very small insight to what it takes to create a vessel, but that was only a single step.
What I'm trying to say is that perhaps these should be calling something else, as my personal opinion of a developer diary must be rather different to yours or everyone else.
I just think it would be nice for the actual developers to post something on these forums - or if there is a time or language barrier (baring in mind you are Dutch!) then obviously Frank you must be the main man. BUT, and this is a big but I think perhaps an interview would be nice, ask your colleagues 10 questions about what it's been like working on SSE - what problems they've had to face and how they got into their particular job.
A diary in my opinion is a log of many different times. So for example in the devlopment of SSE it would mean for instance that the 3D Vessel model creators would give us entries of creating a model over say a two week period, so we can see how the model or perhaps the game develop over time.
Surely someone can see where I'm coming from? ???
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Dear diary,
I just hope this issue would end. :lol:
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There's no issue here Jack - simply opinions and thoughts :)
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Surely someone can see where I'm coming from? Unquote.
A simple answer to the question posed:- Not really ::) What many would call nitpicking. :P
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(baring in mind you are Dutch!)
I think you mean "bearing" (baring is something comletely different ;D )
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I think you mean "bearing" (baring is something comletely different ;D )
Well I had lots of things I wanted to put down on to the screen - so spelling mistakes were inevitable! :D
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Principle of this forum:
"Either you - forum member - are with us, following us blindly, listening to all what we say & taking it as a pure true & never impose your "brilliant" ideas here. Or - you do impose your "brilliant" ideas, we'll find 100 & 1 proofs of that you're not right. If you keep on resistance & proving of your point, you'll be considered here as a fool, insane, our main enemy. And we'll do everything so at the end you'll just have to say: "Yeah, I was wrong, sorry. :-[ "
So if one thinks that their Diaries are not what he means under "Developer Diary" (like a report of what was done during last week, what problems solved, what's planned for next week) - don't put your nose in to their business, as in almost every case on this forum the one who raises a problem, question, idea of "it'd be better if..." - always wrong.
In other words, "Boss is always right!" ;D
Yes, tell me that I'm not right.
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Principle of this forum:
"Either you - forum member - are with us, following us blindly, listening to all what we say & taking it as a pure true & never impose your "brilliant" ideas here. Or - you do impose your "brilliant" ideas, we'll find 100 & 1 proofs of that you're not right. If you keep on resistance & proving of your point, you'll be considered here as a fool, insane, our main enemy. And we'll do everything so at the end you'll just have to say: "Yeah, I was wrong, sorry. :-[ "
So if one thinks that their Diaries are not what he means under "Developer Diary" (like a report of what was done during last week, what problems solved, what's planned for next week) - don't put your nose in to their business, as in almost every case on this forum the one who raises a problem, question, idea of "it'd be better if..." - always wrong.
In other words, "Boss is always right!" ;D
Yes, tell me that I'm not right.
You are not right.
If you were, you would be history by now.
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Yes, tell me that I'm not right.
The mere fact that someone as critical and cynical as yourself still gets the proper amount of respect and feedback by all (or at least should), is the exact proof of the contrary of what you seem to be implying. ;D
Capt. Spencer is fully entitled to his opinion and his duly appreciated feedback. However as I stated, the developer diary as we are creating it, is something different than what he seems to think that it should be. Nothing wrong with that, opinions differ, and this is a discussion forum after all. It is actually refreshing to hear his founded opinion and feedback and hope he will find the answers he needs in the developer interviews nevertheless.
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Frank,
Thank you for your kind words. Finally someone who understands my thoughts. What I am saying is nothing negative, merely a positive critism.
I hope I will find my answers in the developer interviews - it is nice to see you (VSTEP) taking positive action and I really appreciate it.
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Another brilliant diary in my opinion! :thumbs: Especially love the photos :doh: :2thumbs:
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Small booth though...
Who cares about any of the other games? ;D
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Ship Sim all the way for me :2thumbs:
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Ohhhh! Another brilliant developer diary has just been released :o
I do agree though, it is great to send out the modellers to the locations featured, to get a general idea.
Bora Bora looks like it should be quite fun too :thumbs:
Kind Regards
Matthew
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Another great Diary :2thumbs:
Alright for some - being paid to look at ports and ships...
::)
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Well, it's like another piece of puzzle in developing SS Extremes which includes the design of an environment. Thanks for sharing the light on that one, Frank. :2thumbs:
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Ahoy Frank,
Really enjoyed the fourth episode of the Developer Diaries. Not that I didn't enjoy the first, second or third, but this one topped them all.
Humorous as always, and making me really curious if the developers used google maps/streetview as a reference?
meaning putting in some small details like jettys and landing platforms in th big harbours like Rotterdam.
Well, the answer to this I will find in about six and a half week, hopefully.
Kind regards
Aad the Pirate