Ship Simulator

English forum => Small talk => Topic started by: norm on November 19, 2009, 02:33:49

Title: 2008vs2010
Post by: norm on November 19, 2009, 02:33:49
i am thinking about asking for a copy of ship sim for Christmas from my parents, and i am wondering, 1, will 2010 be out by then, or will there be a way to patch 2008 to 2010? or do i need to wait?
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Kapn Jonah on November 19, 2009, 02:45:24
Hi Norm, welcome to the forum ;)

You need to wait. SSE Will not be out until about February 2010. You can get Ship Sim 2008 for Christmas though, i'm sure you'll love it.  ;)
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: mvsmith on November 19, 2009, 02:50:42
I think it should be an excellent gift for Christmas 2010.
The latest official estimated release date is April of 2010.
No, you will not be able to patch 2008 into 2010. It will be an entirely new game with all of the old stuff…only different.

Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Tuddley on December 22, 2009, 22:27:33
I wonder if MSS 2010 will be more modder friendly like FSX or one of my favorite sims Silent Hunter III ? Some of the paint textures make me want to puke in 2008 with that horrible lime green. I would like to be able to make my own repaints or modify the menu screens, music, and widgets.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Minime on December 22, 2009, 22:30:37
I wonder if MSS 2010 will be more modder friendly like FSX or one of my favorite sims Silent Hunter III ? Some of the paint textures make me want to puke in 2008 with that horrible lime green. I would like to be able to make my own repaints or modify the menu screens, music, and widgets.
what's MSS 2010?
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Wave Music on December 22, 2009, 22:32:32
I wonder if MSS 2010 will be more modder friendly like FSX or one of my favorite sims Silent Hunter III ? Some of the paint textures make me want to puke in 2008 with that horrible lime green. I would like to be able to make my own repaints or modify the menu screens, music, and widgets.

Then the best thing for you will be applying for a VSTEP (or Microsoft? MSS?) employee.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Firestar on December 22, 2009, 22:33:13
I wonder if MSS 2010 will be more modder friendly like FSX or one of my favorite sims Silent Hunter III ? Some of the paint textures make me want to puke in 2008 with that horrible lime green. I would like to be able to make my own repaints or modify the menu screens, music, and widgets.
Then this isn't the game for you.

This simulation strives for accuracy, not eyecandy or user preference.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Agent|Austin on December 22, 2009, 23:55:11
what's MSS 2010?

I think he thinks this is Microsoft Ship Simulator.

Sadly it is just VSS...
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 23, 2009, 00:00:21
I think he thinks this is Microsoft Ship Simulator.

Sadly it is just VSS...

Sadly? Why sadly?
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Agent|Austin on December 23, 2009, 00:04:27
Sadly? Why sadly?

Just think how awesome the game would be if Microsoft was the developer. Although it would probably crash more. lol
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: The Ferry Man on December 23, 2009, 00:05:31
Just think how awesome the game would be if Microsoft was the developer. Although it would probably crash more. lol

Ouch  :-\

Personally I think VSTEP have done a great job  :thumbs:
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Agent|Austin on December 23, 2009, 00:06:05
Ouch  :-\

Personally I think VSTEP have done a great job  :thumbs:

VSTEP did do a great job. For a small company with a low budget..
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 23, 2009, 00:10:40
Just think how awesome the game would be if Microsoft was the developer. Although it would probably crash more. lol
You didn't by chance engage keyboard before brain, did you? Awesome as in awesome redundancies for all their ex-flightsim developers... ??? There's always one, isn't there?

Ouch  :-\
Personally I think VSTEP have done a great job  :thumbs:
I second that, TFM.

VSTEP did do a great job. For a small company with a low budget..
And what, precisely, would a bigger company with a bigger budget have achieved? prey tell.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Wave Music on December 23, 2009, 00:23:30
Just think how awesome the game would be if Microsoft was the developer. Although it would probably crash more. lol

Yeah, it'll be something like this (http://www.planetinaction.com/ships.htm) with ships sailing the world in one Google Earth environment.  :P
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Minime on December 23, 2009, 05:21:26
Just think how awesome the game would be if Microsoft was the developer. Although it would probably crash more. lol
well if MS developed it, SS would be no more, just like FS.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Kevinmcg_ships on December 23, 2009, 09:36:25
Just think how awesome the game would be if Microsoft was the developer.

Let's see:

a) Train Simulator - has been axed by Microsoft and Train Simulator 2 is postponed indefinitely after years of delays , possibly never see the light of day.

b) Flight Simulator - the long running software (20+ years) unceremoniously dumped by Microsoft and hundreds of employees have lost their job.

I'm willing to bet if Ship Simulator had been part of the Microsoft portfolio, it would have gone the same way as the above two.



As for people calling SS2008 a Microsoft product, if I had a £1 for every time I hear somebody say that, I would be a millionaire! And finally I think on future Ship Simulator package, Vstep should include a stickered sign which says "This is NOT a Microsoft product". That ought to put a stop to it.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: marcstrat on December 23, 2009, 10:59:32
Hoy,
Well,if Shipsim was a product of Microsoft than:
It was prohably dropped afther a year,because if you see what steerable ships they build on the last version of FS.The ships looks fine however the dynamics sucks realy.

Their would be no input from members,realise that most of what the members here put on this forum,within lines Vstep is willing to create.

Compare just the 2006 version to the 2008 version,with all the updates between.
Shipsim has nothing to do with Microsoft,maybe they hain mind,that there was not much of a market.
Marc
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Agent|Austin on December 23, 2009, 11:02:41
Hoy,
Well,if Shipsim was a product of Microsoft than:
It was prohably dropped afther a year,because if you see what steerable ships they build on the last version of FS.The ships looks fine however the dynamics sucks realy.

Their would be no input from members,realise that most of what the members here put on this forum,within lines Vstep is willing to create.

Compare just the 2006 version to the 2008 version,with all the updates between.
Shipsim has nothing to do with Microsoft,maybe they hain mind,that there was not much of a market.
Marc

Maybe that is because it is a flight simulator not a ship simulator. If microsoft can create the dynamics for aircraft, they can do dynamics for nautical vessels.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: The Ferry Man on December 23, 2009, 11:26:24
Maybe that is because it is a flight simulator not a ship simulator. If microsoft can create the dynamics for aircraft, they can do dynamics for nautical vessels.

They can still only do dynamucs with the data given to them.

I doubt that they wold  get more data the VSTEP have, who make Professional Simulators.

Besides It wouldn't make enough profit so would probably not be here today..
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Agent|Austin on December 23, 2009, 11:47:24
They can still only do dynamucs with the data given to them.

I doubt that they wold  get more data the VSTEP have, who make Professional Simulators.

Besides It wouldn't make enough profit so would probably not be here today..

Yup, I bet the largest software company in the world would get less information then a little simulator company in europe.

Microsoft could buy VSTEP tomorrow if they wanted too...
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 23, 2009, 11:48:51
As for people calling SS2008 a Microsoft product, if I had a £1 for every time I hear somebody say that, I would be a millionaire! And finally I think on future Ship Simulator package, Vstep should include a stickered sign which says "This is NOT a Microsoft product". That ought to put a stop to it.
You personally have heard one million people say that?


Microsoft could have developed its own shipping simulator (game or serious) and it would have been bettern in some areas and weaker in others; just like any software ever developed.

One question to ask yourself is would they have agreed to a campaign to have Dover-Calais in one environment? I know over in america you think it spurious, but that would be to miss the point... In simple terms (bearing in mind some of the people here (and you know whom I'm referring to, I hope  ;)) does Micromush listen to its customers?
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 23, 2009, 11:50:08
Yup, I bet the largest software company in the world would get less information then a little simulator company in europe.

Microsoft could buy VSTEP tomorrow if they wanted too...
That is a really arrogant and narrow minded comment from someone who clearly has no idea of what he is talking about.

What makes you think that Vstep would sell up?

What if I were to say "Vstep could by 'Agent' Austin if they [sic] wanted too..."
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Agent|Austin on December 23, 2009, 12:05:00
What makes you think that Vstep would sell up?

Money...

Look at how many companies Microsoft has bought.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Microsoft#Acquisitions
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 23, 2009, 12:27:35
I'm sure they could buy the moon too, if it were for sale.

I appreciate you haven't experienced commerce for real, but it isn't as simple as that. For starters, VStep is a private limited company- not a PUBLIC limited company. So you can not very easily force a hostile takeover of a private company. Unless the owners of the said company wish to sell..

Now, if you had said "Micromush could make its own simulator and sell it at half the price of SS, until SS drops it, then MS puts its price up" you could have a point; MS could be classed as a predator. However, in the EU, GB and your own America, there are laws against that.

If you wish, I would be very happy to explain a bit more how these 'anti-trust' rules (using US terminology) actually work. However, I suspect you already know far more about it than I do
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Dynamite Dan on December 23, 2009, 13:11:56
It doesnt help distinction that Flightsim, train sim, and now Ship sim have seemed to use the same font in the title.

is that by designs or just co-incidence?
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: McGherkin on December 23, 2009, 13:17:43
I think it's the unofficial font of simulation...
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 23, 2009, 13:19:32
What font is it?

For example, I used to use arial bold for my company- and it is the same as my two main rivals; not deliberate, it's just a common font. Then I asked an artist to design me a brand new font.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: McGherkin on December 23, 2009, 13:37:13
err...

Ship Simulator


Italic Impact, same as Top Gear actually...
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: The Ferry Man on December 23, 2009, 13:38:05
err...

Ship Simulator


Italic Impact, same as Top Gear actually...

Maybe Top Gear is a Microsoft Comapany too then  :lol:
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 23, 2009, 13:50:37
Exacltly. Proves the point. I bet that the majoritty of companies use only a small handfull of fonts
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Kevinmcg_ships on December 23, 2009, 14:54:55
You personally have heard one million people say that?

I was being sarcastic.......  ::)
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 23, 2009, 18:37:14
I was being sarcastic.......  ::)
That isn't sarcasm. It is a figure of speech or it is exaggeration. But it isn't sarcasm.

Never mind, I think we all know what you mean.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Firestar on December 23, 2009, 21:08:07
Wait a second, before we even discuss asking your parents for the game, we don't even know what kind of PC you have, for all we know, your PC can't handle the game.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Dynamite Dan on December 23, 2009, 22:15:55
I've heard its an Atari 2600, should be ok!
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Tuddley on December 23, 2009, 23:40:55
Yeah, it'll be something like this (http://www.planetinaction.com/ships.htm) with ships sailing the world in one Google Earth environment.  :P

As Firestar mentioned after my first post, VStep doesn't care about eyecandy , it just strives for accuracy. So whether they use Google Earth or graphics from a Commodore 64, as long as the dynamics are perfect, who cares, right ?!! He also said user preference is not important with SS, so VStep could care less about what their customers want.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want an arcade game. I'm only asking for a realistic simulator with the ability to modify .tga or .dds files so I can paint ships in my own colors or design new menu screens and menu music. I have a submarine simulator called Silent Hunter 3 that has all those qualities, and some of the community modders are more talented than the Dev Team that created the game. I can also care less if Microsoft, Ubisoft, Activision, or Zynga build the game, just as long as they give the customer what they want.

Sorry for opening this can of worms, I was unaware this was a no frills simulator  :doh:
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 23, 2009, 23:48:46
Tuddley, give your brain cells a chance, will you? No one said it is a 'no frills simulator'.

It is a compromise between an 'arcade game' and a simulator. It has been said, many, many times before that there IS a FULLY functioning simulator available in which you can change pretty much whatever you want. But ye not be surprsied to learn that it costs considerably more than the boxed game.

Incidentally, corrrect me if I'm wrong, but Ubisoft and Activision are only publishers and not developers. If you were to even start with the basics then you could construct a valid arguement.

Compliments of the season
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 23, 2009, 23:49:51
I wonder if MSS 2010 will be more modder friendly like FSX or one of my favorite sims Silent Hunter III ? Some of the paint textures make me want to puke in 2008 with that horrible lime green. I would like to be able to make my own repaints or modify the menu screens, music, and widgets.

Oh dear...  ::)
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Wave Music on December 23, 2009, 23:54:35
I'm only asking for a realistic simulator with the ability to modify .tga or .dds files so I can paint ships in my own colors or design new menu screens and menu music.

It IS a somehow realistic simulator - Pride of Rotterdam has the colours of a real ship, same goes for Red Funnel's ships, Arie Visser, Fairmount Sherpa, Bugsier 2, Titanic, Jumbo...    Real companies gave permission to use their ships in game in the way they look in real life.
Painting those ships in pink or in whatever colours pops up on the mind will turn this into another "realistic simulator", aka Virtual Skipper.

Besides, VS will be more modder-friendly for you if you're looking for something you can modify in it.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Wave Music on December 24, 2009, 00:00:28
Some of the paint textures make me want to puke in 2008 with that horrible lime green.

Well, you can also puke by seeing the real ship:

(http://www.tugspotters.com/tugs/fotos/f/FAIRMOUNT.SHERPA@D.vander.Ent%20(4).JPG)

Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: The Ferry Man on December 24, 2009, 00:02:49
I like that green colour  ::)

Especially on this beauty:

http://www.faktaomfartyg.se/star_2007_b_2.htm
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: The Ferry Man on December 24, 2009, 00:07:07
Hasn't that bow been pinched from the Scottish Viking/Seafrance Rodin?

Not the Viking, but she is a distant cousin to the Rodin...

Okay, not that distant
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Wave Music on December 24, 2009, 00:10:34
I like that green colour  ::)

Wearing sunglasses NOT because I'm cool -  8)

(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/489701_800/Ship+Photo+Pato+Real.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: The Ferry Man on December 24, 2009, 00:14:39
That is a bit Over The Top
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: J3nsen on December 24, 2009, 00:58:47
Wearing sunglasses NOT because I'm cool -  8)

pic

Thats lime green, not so ugly!

but.....

Cant be better than this green and more realistic puke color<3  :evil:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Superstar_Tallink.jpg)

(http://www.colourlovers.com/wallPaper/800x600/c/A3C00F/COLOURlovers.com-Chemo_Puke_Green.png)
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Wave Music on December 24, 2009, 01:14:30
Thats lime green, not so ugly!

but.....

Cant be better than this green and more realistic puke color<3  :evil:

I think I can beat that:

(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/818054_800/Ship+Photo+CRYSTAL+PEONY.jpg)

(http://uglyships.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/huan_le_cheng_shi_jan-scheurwater-via-kv.jpg)

(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/803917_800/Ship+Photo+DELFIN.jpg)

(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/209666_800/Ship+Photo+Margaretha.jpg)

(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/780043_800/Ship+Photo+BERGE+ARZEW.JPG)

(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/959801_800/Ship+Photo+Klaas+Westdijk.JPG)

(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/907678_800/Ship+Photo+KARIN+LEHMANN.jpg)


Well?
Title: Green Ships Discussion
Post by: The Ferry Man on December 24, 2009, 01:15:34
Not too bad

What is wrong with green ships anyway?
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Agent|Austin on December 24, 2009, 01:17:00
Maybe Top Gear is a Microsoft Comapany too then  :lol:

The font for the Microsoft logo is custom made (I have it), I don't know about the FS font.
Title: Re: Green Ships Dsicussion
Post by: Wave Music on December 24, 2009, 01:18:06
What is wrong with green ships anyway?

A question for Tuddley.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Tuddley on December 24, 2009, 02:58:37
I just think the Sherpa is ugly as sin, and it's embarrassing to pilot. If I could photoshop it, I would change the green to black and the blue to yellow/gold, or maybe the green to fire engine red and the blue to black. If it makes them happy, I won't change any logos or company names if I decide to share it with the community.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: McGherkin on December 24, 2009, 12:23:47
Well you might be interested in the creators forum then...
http://217.45.209.217/cgi-bin/creators/entry.pl (http://217.45.209.217/cgi-bin/creators/entry.pl)

lots of missions and repaints (although they are for the P6 patrol boat)

To be honest I'm happy with the appearance of most of the boats, but I have downloaded pretty much every skin for the P6...
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Agent|Austin on December 24, 2009, 12:55:35
I just think the Sherpa is ugly as sin, and it's embarrassing to pilot. If I could photoshop it, I would change the green to black and the blue to yellow/gold, or maybe the green to fire engine red and the blue to black. If it makes them happy, I won't change any logos or company names if I decide to share it with the community.

Guess you wouldn't like this

(http://www.mossww.com/mossmaritime/images/HavilaCharisma-1JA-2.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 24, 2009, 14:59:25
I just think the Sherpa is ugly as sin, and it's embarrassing to pilot. If I could photoshop it, I would change the green to black and the blue to yellow/gold, or maybe the green to fire engine red and the blue to black. If it makes them happy, I won't change any logos or company names if I decide to share it with the community.
Well, you can't so tough. Sorry.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Wave Music on December 24, 2009, 15:04:41
Guess you wouldn't like this

Or even this?

(http://media.shipspotting.com/uploads/thumbs/rw/762566_800/Ship+Photo+MIDYAN.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Firestar on December 24, 2009, 18:45:56
As Firestar mentioned after my first post, VStep doesn't care about eyecandy , it just strives for accuracy. So whether they use Google Earth or graphics from a Commodore 64, as long as the dynamics are perfect, who cares, right ?!! He also said user preference is not important with SS, so VStep could care less about what their customers want.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want an arcade game. I'm only asking for a realistic simulator with the ability to modify .tga or .dds files so I can paint ships in my own colors or design new menu screens and menu music. I have a submarine simulator called Silent Hunter 3 that has all those qualities, and some of the community modders are more talented than the Dev Team that created the game. I can also care less if Microsoft, Ubisoft, Activision, or Zynga build the game, just as long as they give the customer what they want.

Sorry for opening this can of worms, I was unaware this was a no frills simulator  :doh:
Then again, being able to modify the textures isn't what the game is about, otherwise the texture's wouldn't be accurate.

Also, SH3 is a game, not a simulation. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to modify textures.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 24, 2009, 18:52:11
Nicely put, Firestar. I could imagine (and I am GUESSING HERE) that when P&O, for example, agreed for the PoR to go in, one of the things they MIGHT have specified is no dodgy paint jobs from enthusiasts.

When puddles, or whatever his name was, suggested he could repaint the models but leave the original name on... I suspect this is one of the reasons why it isn't permitted...
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Tuddley on December 25, 2009, 00:19:15
Then again, being able to modify the textures isn't what the game is about, otherwise the texture's wouldn't be accurate.

Also, SH3 is a game, not a simulation. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to modify textures.

SH3 is far from a game, it's more of a simulator than SS is, and it is because of the community modders that it is that way. As I said before, some of the community modders are far more talented than the dev team, and have created more accurate and realistic campaigns, ship textures, and single missions that came stock in SH3. Another thing, it's all freeware (I am actually an owner of a download site for Silent Hunter and ex-moderator for the SH Ubisoft forums). So before you go and tell me SH is not a simulator, try it first, then give me your opinion. Just because you can modify textures doesn't disqualify a product as being a simulator.

Also, as far as all of you saying that if SS was more modder friendly, it would ruin it. No, it would make it improvements to what VStep has already done, and some of the community modders would also fix more bugs that are included in patches.

If there is a ship texture, mission, or new scenery objects available to download that you don't like, you don't have to download it. Some of us like flavor in our food, but if you choose to continue to eat bland rice cakes, then I won't stop you. SS 2008 is no frills, and highly monopolized by VStep (for example the Creator Forum, how tight lipped can you get).
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Kapn Jonah on December 25, 2009, 00:22:52
If you could modify everything in SS then people would end up ruinning it and then they would complain about it, and its just a big pain to have to help everybody rectify their mistakes. Its better this way, it not a no frills sim, your just here annoying everyone. i'm sure people have asked for this before, but its much better this way. This is not the place for you, if all you want to do is modify everything in the game, it was made the way it was for a reason, if you want something that you can modify to your hearts content, try Virtual Sailor.

 The company's that have allowed their vessels to be used in the game, obviously do not want people going and making them look like rubbish by repainting them.

And just to let you know, SH3 is a game, not a Sim, i've already tried it. Its a waste of my time, to be quite honest.  It just makes no sense to have a Sim where you can modify everything to your liking, because, im sure people would mess things up, ask for help, and then it wouldn't be given.


And its called Modelling, and Modellers, not Modding and Modders, gosh  ::)
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Wave Music on December 25, 2009, 00:28:22
Tuddley, as I said, try Virtual Sailor!   This game isn't for your modding appetite.


http://www.hangsim.com/vs/

http://hangsim.com/forums/
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Tuddley on December 25, 2009, 02:32:39
If you could modify everything in SS then people would end up ruinning it and then they would complain about it, and its just a big pain to have to help everybody rectify their mistakes. Its better this way, it not a no frills sim, your just here annoying everyone. i'm sure people have asked for this before, but its much better this way. This is not the place for you, if all you want to do is modify everything in the game, it was made the way it was for a reason, if you want something that you can modify to your hearts content, try Virtual Sailor.

 The company's that have allowed their vessels to be used in the game, obviously do not want people going and making them look like rubbish by repainting them.

And just to let you know, SH3 is a game, not a Sim, i've already tried it. Its a waste of my time, to be quite honest.  It just makes no sense to have a Sim where you can modify everything to your liking, because, im sure people would mess things up, ask for help, and then it wouldn't be given.


And its called Modelling, and Modellers, not Modding and Modders, gosh  ::)

You obviously tried the stock version without adding any of the mods. And because we call everything mods (meaning modification), we call the people that modify or create the new files modders. I've been playing SH3 for 4 years, and it's way better now than the stock version was ever meant to be. Like I said, if you don't like any of the community created ships etc, no one is pointing a gun to your head to download it, and you can continue to play it plain vanilla. SH3 is not ruined, it been drastically improved, otherwise I would not own a download website out of my own pocket for it. Yes, there are some real cheezy mods, but it has not ruined my installation because I did not install any cheezy mods.

Virtual Sailor looks like an arcade game, and I bet the ship dynamics are absolutely horrible to where a 5 yr old could play it.

I am not trying to annoy anybody, because I wouldn't allow it on my own website. It would just be nice to have a decent simulator such as SS with it's accurate boat control and challenging missions (which looks like Virtual Sailor seems to be lacking), with the option to download repaints, scenery items, or be able to fix bugs that the dev team wont fix.

If someone offered you a choice between 2 cars, which one would you choose ...

1) Dodge Neon with no radio, no air, no heat, bald tires, and still in dull primer gray.

or

2) Ford Mustang with AM/FM/100 CD Changer, air conditioning, heat, fresh new tires, and a high gloss paint job any color you wanted.

#1 represents Ship Sim 2008, and #2 would be Ship Sim 2010 Extremes with your choice to do what you want to do with it.

But since you guys like cheap boring stuff, I'll leave you alone with your vanilla simulator and attitudes, and I'll show myself to the door. It's like talking to a fence post in here.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Kapn Jonah on December 25, 2009, 04:47:10
I'm just going to stop talking to you, because i've tried to put my point accross to you in several topics, yet you just dont get it. And at this point, i want to say what i am not allowed to say here, and i am doing my best to contain it.

Maybe your idea will be used, i hope you know that the Developers DO read this forum, and they know about the bugs. However, what is the point of patching up SS08, when they are working on SSE?
 :-\
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Wave Music on December 25, 2009, 09:18:52
Virtual Sailor looks like an arcade game, and I bet the ship dynamics are absolutely horrible to where a 5 yr old could play it.

You said that your community modders are more talented than the dev team, so there's nothing that holding you from modifying & improving the VS then.  ???
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: McGherkin on December 25, 2009, 11:33:16
If someone offered you a choice between 2 cars, which one would you choose ...

1) Dodge Neon with no radio, no air, no heat, bald tires, and still in dull primer gray.

or

2) Ford Mustang with AM/FM/100 CD Changer, air conditioning, heat, fresh new tires, and a high gloss paint job any color you wanted.

#1 represents Ship Sim 2008, and #2 would be Ship Sim 2010 Extremes with your choice to do what you want to do with it.

But since you guys like cheap boring stuff, I'll leave you alone with your vanilla simulator and attitudes, and I'll show myself to the door. It's like talking to a fence post in here.

I would have thought that #1 is SH3 and #2 is Ship Sim, since it comes with all those things, whereas with SH3 you have to add things on afterwards to make it any good...
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Kapn Jonah on December 25, 2009, 18:03:02
I would have thought that #1 is SH3 and #2 is Ship Sim, since it comes with all those things, whereas with SH3 you have to add things on afterwards to make it any good...

Yes, thats a good point McG ;)
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Kevinmcg_ships on December 25, 2009, 22:07:49
SS 2008 is no frills, and highly monopolized by VStep (for example the Creator Forum, how tight lipped can you get).

And is Flight Similator not highly monopolised by Microsoft for the past 25 years until its demise? iTunes heavily monopolised by Apple?

If you don't like SS2008 because you are unable to modify and create your own ships then perhaps you are in the wrong camp.

I have owned and played Virtual Sailor (which everyone is able to upload their own ships etc) and I have to say that I have not really enjoyed it. The novelty wears off quickly and frankly at times the dynamics really sucks big time and can become uncontrollable (ships spinning like that young girl's head in The Excorist).

Thank you but no, I'll leave Ship Simulator to the experts who knows the best - the Vstep guys.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: McGherkin on December 26, 2009, 13:25:45
that young girl's head in The Excorist

Wasn't that Meryl Streep?
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Kevinmcg_ships on December 27, 2009, 17:24:09
Wasn't that Meryl Streep?

No, it was Linda Blair, who played the young possesed girl. One of the scariest films I've ever seen!  ;D
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 27, 2009, 20:13:13
I've seen a scarier BLAIR

(http://www.boston.com/ae/books/blog/cherie.jpg)

(http://www.topnews.in/light/files/Cherie-Blair.jpg)

Truly a frightening bliar. Put me off my lager.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: TerryRussell on December 28, 2009, 00:30:41
Gentlemen.

This is "Development Corner", not "Small Talk".

Thanks.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 28, 2009, 00:35:01
Gentlemen.

This is "Development Corner", not "Small Talk".

Thanks.
Well, as long as no one develops a ship model looking like blair then we'll be ok.

I think though that put puddle in his place anyway
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Minime on December 28, 2009, 00:54:21
Well, as long as no one develops a ship model looking like blair then we'll be ok.

I think though that put puddle in his place anyway
I think I know what my next model should look like now...
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 28, 2009, 01:21:06
I think I know what my next model should look like now...
If you model anything like that- put it in MP, I'll join in and sink it... if its ugliness doesn't do it itself.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: McGherkin on December 28, 2009, 16:36:22
I think Pudsey's gone, and he's not coming back.

If someone wants to move this topic to small talk they're quite welcome.

And if someone wanted to make a boat out of Cherie Blair, then it wouldn't float without public funding.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: TerryRussell on December 28, 2009, 18:06:01
I think Pudsey's gone, and he's not coming back.

If someone wants to move this topic to small talk they're quite welcome.

And if someone wanted to make a boat out of Cherie Blair, then it wouldn't float without public funding.

It does rather seem to have degenerated into a load of chatter, doesn't it?  ;)

Moved, as requested!  :thumbs:
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: McGherkin on December 28, 2009, 18:22:31
It does rather seem to have degenerated into a load of chatter, doesn't it?  ;)

Moved, as requested!  :thumbs:

All Hail The Goderator!
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Captain Cadet on December 28, 2009, 18:28:36
Just think how awesome the game would be if Microsoft was the developer. Although it would probably crash more. lol

Microsoft games are quiet good.... but they have the good area you need to regester the prodect online and then tipe down the athration code and then see if it will work and if not. tuff. and quet expecive and Big.  :o and we beter leave them to make Windows 8.  and VSTEP are better.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: McGherkin on December 28, 2009, 18:35:43

Microsoft games are quiet good.... but they have the good area you need to regester the prodect online and then tipe down the athration code and then see if it will work and if not. tuff. and quet expecive and Big.  :o and we beter leave them to make Windows 8.  and VSTEP are better.

not even Google Translate can understand this post, can anyone?
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Kapn Jonah on December 28, 2009, 18:37:03
Lol, it makes no sense what so ever...
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Wave Music on December 28, 2009, 18:46:59

Microsoft games are quiet good.... but they have the good area you need to regester the prodect online and then tipe down the athration code and then see if it will work and if not. tuff. and quet expecive and Big.  :o and we beter leave them to make Windows 8.  and VSTEP are better.

उचित अंग्रेजी और अपनी बात स्पष्ट कर बोलो!
तुम्हें कोई नहीं समझता है! 
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: TerryRussell on December 28, 2009, 19:10:35
नहीं समझता है?

You sure?
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 28, 2009, 23:41:44
All Hail The Goderator!


Oi McG- I copyrighted that word... You must pay a licence fee for that
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Firestar on December 29, 2009, 03:29:28
मैं जानता हूँ, है ना?
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Wave Music on December 29, 2009, 10:01:19
मैं जानता हूँ, है ना?

मुझे ऐसा लगता है!
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: McGherkin on December 29, 2009, 13:02:13

Oi McG- I copyrighted that word... You must pay a licence fee for that

I copyrighted the word God. This means that you have to pay me for every time you combined it with the word Moderator.


just because you're on the scrounge to get that £400,000 ferry doesn't mean you can try to con me!
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 29, 2009, 15:31:25
I copyrighted the word God. This means that you have to pay me for every time you combined it with the word Moderator.


just because you're on the scrounge to get that £400,000 ferry doesn't mean you can try to con me!

Who needs to scrounge that?
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: McGherkin on December 29, 2009, 15:33:27
i know your plan to fill it with Marmite and sail the seven seas with WM and TFM.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: darkcapilla on December 29, 2009, 17:27:06
have you seen this video is not mine but this very well and stop fighting ¬ ¬
not see that this kid does not know that this is a professional ship simulator.
not a simple game nonsense.  :thumbdown: :doh:

Here is the video good. :thumbs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWyTcpjmXjg&NR=1
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Firestar on December 29, 2009, 17:53:34
मुझे ऐसा लगता है!
ता, वावे म्यूजिक!
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Wave Music on December 29, 2009, 18:02:31
ता, वावे म्यूजिक!

तुम बहुत स्वागत है, शेन.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 29, 2009, 21:14:31
i know your plan to fill it with Marmite and sail the seven seas with WM and TFM.

No. I'm quite happy with my current boat, thanks... Anyway, I doubt those IOW boats can sail the seven seas... Bad enough in the Solent in winter...

Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: McGherkin on December 30, 2009, 17:12:15
with Marmite anything is possible...
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on December 31, 2009, 00:36:55
with Marmite anything is possible...
But we are talking about estuary ferries...

I'd sail the Atlantic in a Marmite jar, but not one of those ferries

(admittedly, a LARGE Marmite jar, not the small ones)
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Dreadnought on January 20, 2010, 16:57:33
Don't get me started on the attributes or otherwise of microshaft. >:(
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on January 20, 2010, 17:06:02
Don't get me started on the attributes or otherwise of microshaft. >:(

' Wouldn't dream of it. Whatever you are talking about...  ???
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: JHB on January 21, 2010, 19:42:08
So what will be new from SS2008 compared to SS2010? :doh:
Oh sorry, lazy questions. It's been a while since the last time I checked in ;D
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Firestar on January 23, 2010, 02:03:56
...yet I still love your avatar...

 :-*
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: McGherkin on January 23, 2010, 19:19:25
...yet I still love your avatar...

 :-*

Quote
Gender:  Male

I'd start worrying JHB...
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on January 23, 2010, 20:07:07
I'd start worrying JHB...

He said his AVATAR not HIM!
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: JHB on January 23, 2010, 20:49:21
lol..back to topic should we? (after all it's a game avatar..fictional female..a nice girl indeed) :D
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: McGherkin on January 23, 2010, 21:36:42
Joke, we ALL love her. Except I love my girlfriend more.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Firestar on February 02, 2010, 23:34:36
I always love JHB's avatars...

They're always "fun" to "look" at...

;D

I downloaded his last one..
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: McGherkin on February 03, 2010, 08:08:00
 :lol:

I noticed he had a new one the other day, i was going to comment but thought better of it  :evil:
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Stuart2007 on February 16, 2010, 11:37:58
lol..back to topic should we? (after all it's a game avatar..fictional female..a nice girl indeed) :D

Does she like Marmite?
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: The Ferry Man on February 16, 2010, 12:26:25
No
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: Wave Music on February 16, 2010, 13:09:02
No

Have you asked her?  Does she like ferries?
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: McGherkin on February 16, 2010, 13:13:13
Evidently.
Title: Re: 2008vs2010
Post by: The Ferry Man on February 16, 2010, 17:02:56
Have you asked her?  Does she like ferries?

I don;t know her personally, but she doesn't like Marmite  ;)

I am sure she likes ferries though - she is wearing a (Ferry) Captain's hat...