Ship Simulator
English forum => Small talk => Topic started by: MMMMMM on August 29, 2008, 01:05:37
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What im going to Buy this Model From Turbo Squid Do you Think Vstep would be intrested
Description:
Model:
The model looks very much like the real ship(google it if you don't believe), but does not 100% resemble the real ship parts.
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Material and Rendering:
Preview pictures are rendered by Vray But the model is devrayed to make it compatible with most 3d applications. We have properly named the materials. So for visual enhancing materials like GLASS,CHROME,POOLWATER. You should replace them with materials of your own liking. I am sure you have plenty in your matlib:-) I also recommend adding some falloff reflection to most materials.
There is no multi_material used in the model for better compatibility with all 3d application.
Seawater(just a big plane) and HDRI cloud used in the renders are not included in the package
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Naming & SmoothingGroup:
models are all properly named like (center chairs 1,2,3...) (aft_pool_parts1,2,3...) By combining with 'select by material' you can select any parts quickly in any 3d application.
All objects are edge-splitted based on smoothing group assignment. So even if some applications don't treat smoothinggroup nicely can handle this model. Of course this will increase the vertex count but you can weld it back if you like.
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poly count: 284124
triangle count: 605358
vertex count(before split of smoothing group): 368435
vertex count(after split of smoothing group) :579401
Above are statistics of the model without decoration deck chairs.
Chairs as shown in the render is in a seperate file which you can download in the ACCOMPANYING PRODUCT FILES section. It is in obj format.
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Contact support should you have questions. We will try to address your concerns as prompt as possible.
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Ship Fact: Freedom of The Seas (Royal Caribbean International)
length 339 meters,width 56 meters . tonnage 158000
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She Was $199.99
(http://i34.tinypic.com/flln68.jpg)
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Why would VSTEP be interested in a model from TurboSquid?
There is already a cruise ship, Ocean Star, in the simulator. There are a few dozen different vessels that they need to offer before they will do another ship similar to Ocean Star.
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Ok Nothing Negitive Please Ok Thankyou ;)
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It looks great ;) I would love for it to be in the shipyard...
Would be nice to have more ships/enviroments in there by now.. ::)
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yha thanks for the kind comment
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Why would VSTEP be interested in a model from TurboSquid?
There is already a cruise ship, Ocean Star, in the simulator. There are a few dozen different vessels that they need to offer before they will do another ship similar to Ocean Star.
Vstep has bought acouple of models. I herd a Developer say on the old fourm that it is cheaper for them to buy a model on Turbosquid and retexture it than to pay someone to make on from scratch. I think Id check with Vstep before I spend that much money into something. ;)
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I think this is a great thing you are trying to do here M6 But I think there are some leagel things that just don't fit. For example even though you "Bought" the model, V-STEP doesn't own it.
Sorry, Sorry, only positive comments. ;)
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its ok lamalord but now technicaly i Own the model with the few people that have it, let alone afourd it um if any one that this coment was rude please tell me thanks but i getting Copy right Today
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http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,393.msg3454.html#msg3454 (http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,393.msg3454.html#msg3454)
http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,8246.msg92762.html#msg92762 (http://www.shipsim.com/ShipSimForum/index.php/topic,8246.msg92762.html#msg92762)
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Sorry, but, i can't exactly put out a posative comment here. The good thing is, she is nice. The bad thing is, V-step won't be interested, if v-step were interested, they would have bought it by now.
Sorry, but being posative she is nice. :)
Jack
p.s. she would be nice in Virtual Sailor ;) and its possable to add vessels into Virtual Sailor easily.
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p.s. she would be nice in Virtual Sailor ;) and its possable to add vessels into Virtual Sailor easily.
I think the poly count on that is way too high for VS :-\
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i have a question what, can you actually do with the model when you have bhought it?
BTW very nice ship would like to see her some day in SS.
maritiem
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Be careful - if you spend that much money and your computer can't handle it, it will be a terrible waste. Obvious i know, but you need Gmax for that model too.
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As it appears that members are asking for more ships and this one looks better than the present cruie ship with horizon or from the shipyard, yes I for one will buy it.However the ships I would like would be of smaller size and to the quality of FURIE which is by far the best ship in ship sim.How about a proper deep water lifeboatsuch as the ;DBritish Arun class or similair.We have wind how about a yacht.
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Ok Nothing Negitive Please Ok Thankyou ;)
What's the point of asking our opinion if you only want to hear what you like ???
Mvsmith gives you a good reason why he thinks this ship doesnt bring extra value to the game. i totally agree with him.
How do you want to get the vessel in the game anyway, you only buy the "outside" of the ship. To make it ready for SS you need 40-60 hrs of progamming the ship dynamics.
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no it's because my last post everry one was arguing
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no it's because my last post everry one was arguing
erm.....no they weren't ???
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I in my last post about iphone
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What im going to Buy this Model From Turbo Squid Do you Think Vstep would be intrested
I doubt it. It looks just like Ocean Star. As Marty said, why would Vstep want to shell out good money for an almost identical clone of an existing ship?
And you haven't "bought the ship". You may have purchased a license to use its likeness in a restricted way, but not carte blanche to do as you wish. You'll remember that copyright issues can and will be an issue if you don't honour them?
Seems a rather pointless discussion...
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Doesn't this mean you can't use it:
Members submitting content to TurboSquid have warranted that they are the copyright holders, or authorized agents of the copyright holders, for all content submitted. Violations of this warranty will not be tolerated by TurboSquid, and typically will result in the permanent expulsion of the person who submitted the work.
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No, that particular bit means that you can't submit something that isn't enirely your own work and copyright.
The two are not always the same. For instance, my written works are my own (obviously) but I have a copyright Agent who takes care of some of the copyrights. So I can't just do what I wish with those books. I have to clear it with her, first, even though she works in my interests.
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MMMMMM,
The first link that I posted earlier tells what you must do with the model before it can be submitted to VSTEP. Are you prepared to do that work? Do you have a 3D program like 3DS MAX, or Act 3D, that can even render a model that size and allow you to work on it?
What do you intend to do with that model? You can’t put it on your mantel or play with it in your bathtub.
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I think what we are all trying to get at is that M6 needs a poll option labeled "Hold your horses Buddy" ;D
I think that much money is better spent on a 3D modeling system and some tutorials so you can create your own models at no cost after the fact. :-\
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OK Ok i Was only asking if they would be intrested, ok So stop being rude ok Thanks ;)
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As i said in my PM, these models have WAY too many polys to be used in VS.
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This TurboSquid model was the basis for the Ocean Star in the New Horizons add-on pack. Tony Wu made it, a talented 3D ship modeler from China. He optimized the model for use in the game, on our guidelines. We had to change it, as Carnival Cruise Lines did not allow us to use their name in the game, unless we would pay them lots of money. They seem to be very strict on the use of their brand name.
Please realise that adding a new vessel to the game is a long and complex process, involving 45 separate steps, of which the 3D model creation is just one...
So normally we are looking for sponsoring companies, who help us fund the development of the vessel, and not the other way round :)
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like maybe Royal Caribbean Would let you keep there name and maybe they will let ss use it but if not you can always repaint it
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like maybe Royal Caribbean Would let you keep there name and maybe they will let ss use it but if not you can always repaint it
I doubt they'll let VSTEP use the name for free..... And why do we need another cruise ship. As pjotr said, that is the exact model they used to create the Ocean Star. If i were you i'd give up, i don't see them ever using it in the game.
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you mean modler but he does such a great job also cause thers like 6 diferant types of tugs and 3 container/tanker vessels why not 1 more luxy liner :-\ ???
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you mean modler but he does such a great job also cause thers like 6 diferant types of tugs and 3 container/tanker vessels why not 1 more luxy liner :-\ ???
i agree with you there are so many tugboats in the game, so why not another cruiseship.
maritiem
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thanks maritiem glad you agree cruise ship rock
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1 Cruise ship is almost the same as any other.
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1 Cruise ship is almost the same as any other.
does the caribbean princess and the Qm2 have a look-a-like? i don't think so.
maritiem
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no There totaly diferant Theres Flow rider on the back of Freedom of the seas and the vicking crown lounge and all of the things
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does the caribbean princess and the Qm2 have a look-a-like? i don't think so.
maritiem
no There totaly diferant Theres Flow rider on the back of Freedom of the seas and the vicking crown lounge and all of the things
Did i say they looked alike? It's a little obvious that they look different ::)
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no we know what u said carnival and royal caribbean are compition they will never be alike (Example. Shipsim Vs. Virtual sailor)
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no we know what u said carnival and royal caribbean are compition they will never be alike (Example. Shipsim Vs. Virtual sailor)
EH!? You clearly didn't know what i said because you thought i meant the way they look. You're not making any sense?
OK Ok i Was only asking if they would be intrested, ok So stop being rude ok Thanks ;)
As ballast said, why ask for our opinions when you only want to hear what you like?
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oh, sorry my mistake if 1 cruise ship is the smeas another than 1tug is the same as another
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oh, sorry my mistake if 1 cruise ship is the smeas another than 1tug is the same as another
No because different types of tugs have different jobs. A cruise ships always have the same purpose.
*Sighs* Backup Please ::)
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No because different types of tugs have different jobs. A cruise ships always have the same purpose.
*Sighs* Backup Please ::)
so you think we don't need any more cruiseships?
maritiem
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so you think we don't need any more cruiseships?
maritiem
Exactly what i and a few others (Read the first few posts of this topic) think.
Why would VSTEP be interested in a model from TurboSquid?
There is already a cruise ship, Ocean Star, in the simulator. There are a few dozen different vessels that they need to offer before they will do another ship similar to Ocean Star.
I doubt it. It looks just like Ocean Star. As Marty said, why would Vstep want to shell out good money for an almost identical clone of an existing ship?
And you haven't "bought the ship". You may have purchased a license to use its likeness in a restricted way, but not carte blanche to do as you wish. You'll remember that copyright issues can and will be an issue if you don't honour them?
Seems a rather pointless discussion...
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Exactly what i and a few others (Read the first few posts of this topic) think.
if some of your favorite ships wouldn't be in SS09 like ferries or tugs wouldn't you care about that.
maritiem
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if some of your favorite ships wouldn't be in SS09 like ferries or tugs wouldn't you care about that.
maritiem
What has that got to do with any of this?
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I agree, another cruise ship would be good.. maybe a cruise ship with the 2 propellers instead of those azipod thrusters??
One thing I don't like with the OS, is the Azipods.. Yeah with a bit of practise its good.. But I personally don't like them, and would love to see a cruise ship with 2 propellers instead..
I agree, There is many many tugs in SS, but i also agree with nathan that they have different purposes, however, having a different propullsion on a cruise ship would be good.. Maybe a small/medium sized cruise ship?
We can't always have massive cruise ships all the time.. :-\
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As I said at the start of this topic, when I tried to save 6M from wasting his money on something he could not use, the simulator tries to provide a wide variety of different vessel types—not an album of everyone’s favorite ship of the same type. One cruise ship of the Ocean Star type is enough.
Pjotr has made things very clear in this topic, and there have been many other posts on the subject of integrating models into the sim. I provided links to two of them earlier in this topic. Unfortunately, it seems that some people just don’t want to hear any truths that don’t fit their idea of what they want the simulator to be. Or, perhaps, reading with comprehension is not part of their skill set.
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Hi James,
A cruise ship with conventional screws and rudder would be an oddity today. Cruise ships have gone to azimuth drives as an economy measure to operate without the need for tugs.
Just because the kiddies want modern cruise ships, but are not willing to develop the skill to handle them, is no reason for VSTEP to go to the expense of catering to their whims.
From the complaints about handling OS, and the lack of many good missions created for her, it seems that the devotees of cruise ships are more interested in looking at them, and walking about their decks, than in actually operating them.
Regards,
Marty
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Hi James,
A cruise ship with conventional screws and rudder would be an oddity today. Cruise ships have gone to azimuth drives as an economy measure to operate without the need for tugs.
Just because the kiddies want modern cruise ships, but are not willing to develop the skill to handle them, is no reason for VSTEP to go to the expense of catering to their whims.
From the complaints about handling OS, and the lack of many good missions created for her, it seems that the devotees of cruise ships are more interested in looking at them, and walking about their decks, than in actually operating them.
Regards,
Marty
Hiya,
I'm not saying that the azimuth controls are a stupid idea, and i like operating OS just as much as i do with lets say the POR.
What I'm trying to say is that there should be a variety of cruise ships, We have a cruise ship with azipods, now i think there should be a smaller, but medium sized cruise ship with conventional propellers and rudders..
If Vstep are adding a variety of tugs, then why can't they add a variety of cruise ships?
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We have a cruise ship with propellors in the game already. Titanic...?
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We have a cruise ship with propellors in the game already. Titanic...?
You can expect an angry RMS Gigantic if he ever find that comment ;D
Titanic was an Ocean Liner, not a cruise ship...
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Today she is a cruise ship.
What I meant, Nathan, is that what was an ocean liner in her day is a cruise ship today. If a seaworthy replica of her were made, she would be in cruise service.
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Today she is a cruise ship.
But how? She has been out of service for 96 years?
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You can expect an angry RMS Gigantic if he ever find that comment ;D
Titanic was an Ocean Liner, not a cruise ship...
Hi Nathan.
The difference being..... ?
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Kate Winslet, obviously!
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Hi Nathan.
The difference being..... ?
I understand now mvsmith edited his post :)
I just saw it as, an Ocean Liner being a ship which is on a fixed route, like UK to USA, where a cruise ship changes it's route based on season.
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Ah, I see.
No problem. ;D
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Adding a new vessel to the game is a massive amount of work. If there is a cruiseline interested to sponsor us to add one of their vessels to the game, great. Without such sponsorship, it will be hard. We are trying to simplify the process, and create/upgrade our in-house tools to let people outside VSTEP use them. So if there is a volunteer or group of volunteers interested in adding a new cruise ship, please let me know. It will mean quite some of your spare time over a period of several months.
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If anyone wants to be part of a team to create any new vessels, I'd be pleased to host things over on the Creators Forum, where members of the team can communicate quietly and without interuption, etc.
As you may know, we are currently testing various upgrades to vessels with our team of Beta Testers. I've created various test schedules for the vessels and that process is now under way. We already have a lot of other resources there that can make this flow more easily.
Let me know if that's of interest.
PS I'm not really looking to be part of the graphics side of any development team, since that's not where my strengths are. I'll willingly help with organising things, setting up proper test schedules and producing sound effects etc, depending on my availability.
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If anyone wants to be part of a team to create any new vessels, I'd be pleased to host things over on the Creators Forum, where members of the team can communicate quietly and without interuption, etc.
As you may know, we are currently testing various upgrades to vessels with our team of Beta Testers. I've created various test schedules for the vessels and that process is now under way. We already have a lot of other resources there that can make this flow more easily.
Let me know if that's of interest.
PS I'm not really looking to be part of the graphics side of any development team, since that's not where my strengths are. I'll willingly help with organising things, setting up proper test schedules and producing sound effects etc, depending on my availability.
so if i'am right you may ask cruiselines for using their ships? if you have permission do you than need to show somekind of evidence to Vstep so they can really see that they got permission?
i would like to ask some kind of cruiselines but i'am not a ship modeler.
also how do i need to ask it? and to who?
maritiem
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I'd suggest that "look-alike" vessels can be produced that won't need permission. The international copyright rules are very precisie on what is copyrightable and what isn't.
You might make a vessel that looks (for example) somewhat like the QE2, but you could call it "The Queen of England". If you then modelled it in a way that made it look similar but not identical, and developed your own shipping line and your own corporate colour scheme, you probably wouldn't be in breach of any copyright rules.
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I'd suggest that "look-alike" vessels can be produced that won't need permission. The international copyright rules are very precisie on what is copyrightable and what isn't.
You might make a vessel that looks (for example) somewhat like the QE2, but you could call it "The Queen of England". If you then modelled it in a way that made it look similar but not identical, and developed your own shipping line and your own corporate colour scheme, you probably wouldn't be in breach of any copyright rules.
but Vstep tries to put ships in the game that really excist.don't they?
maritiem
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There are so many different vessels on the seas. They change ownership and get repainted all the time. So any vessel is likely to have been changed by the time we get a model of it here. Why couldn't a group of people create a "look a-like"?
But in any case, Ocean Star doesn't really exist. That's a look alike vessel. So there is precedent.
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There are so many different vessels on the seas. They change ownership and get repainted all the time. So any vessel is likely to have been changed by the time we get a model of it here. Why couldn't a group of people create a "look a-like"?
But in any case, Ocean Star doesn't really exist. That's a look alike vessel. So there is precedent.
ok i understand. unfortunatly i can't model ships.
maritiem
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sign me up pjtor sorry if your name wrong but I have friends that work for royal caribbean what kind of cruise ship were u thinking of?
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I'll help also. But I don't see why you would spend money on a model you can't use unless VSTEP actually wants it. Seems like a waste to me.
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Ok I would like to work on the Bow and the Bridge if Youdont mine but i think ill need some help withe Bridge
These are Some Options we have
-Freedom of the Seas Bridge
-Queen Mary 2 Bridge
-Queen Victoria Bridge
Or a coustum one but i like freedoms bridge
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Pjtor anyone here hello terry ???
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that ship would be rather nice for SS08, the only thing, you still need permission from the Royal caribbean company AND turbosquid, there is still some tweaking needed to make a SS08 working model, i mean bridge interrior, damage model ect.
i have seen this model on turbosquid, it has a huge ammount of details, but i see it costs $210 ???
something what i find funny is that the polycount and trianglecount is diffrent, but polygons are the triangles ;D
btw you already bought the ship right? ;D
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Yes I have and I'll send you the file late Friday
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Yes I have and I'll send you the file late Friday
Illegal ;)
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Yes, Nathan, 6M seems to have no concept of property rights, or of the realities of getting a model into SS or even into VS. Everything he is told seems to pass right over his head.
Marty
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as many of you don't know MMMMMM is undisclosed age. ;)
He lied about his age on his profile. I only know this because Trains, MMMMMM, and I had a three way call once.
* edit by Terry. It is most inadvisable to publish that sort of information on the Internet. Too many strange people around!
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ok sorry guys i will not send it to mrrobville ;)
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why am i dragged into this?
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why am i dragged into this?
Cause, your train is long and easy to grab onto.
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my train extends to your state? what?
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whow :o
i also have to disagree with 6M, this is as illegal as sharing games and movies to each other.
everybody knows, i make my own models ;D
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as everyone has been saying, copyright issues, it looks like a royal carribbean ship, so bad idea, nice ship though.
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its is royal carribean ship same name i have to talk to the ladie about putting the ship in on monday with my appointment she works for Royal caribbean
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its is royal carribean ship same name i have to talk to the ladie about putting the ship in on monday with my appointment she works for Royal caribbean
You really haven't being listening to anyone have you? VSTEP are sure to deny it, they have to pay a lot to use the Royal Carribean names.
I'd give up trying right now.
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3M,
After everything is done to that model to make it work in SS, it will look like Ocean Star. We know this because that is what has been done, and that is what it looks like.
So, if VSTEP were given permission, it would make more sense to simply re-work and re-skin the Ocean Star that they already own.
Marty